As a DM still in his first year, I can't express enough how much these kinds of summarized videos help with my worldbuilding. Thanks for another good video
Don't keep yourself to DnD lore, it's pretty bad because it's so overly generic. It's much more fun to either make your own lore or take it from other fantasy genres that do a better job at it.
I wish D&D religion was a little more like historical polytheism. You average Greek would have prayed to Zeus when hoping for rain, to Demeter when harvesting, to the local nymphai when strolling in the country, and to Ares if he got conscripted during a war, rather than just picking one singular God to worship.
that's a good point, I've always had an interest in the Greek pantheon, but never really questioned the D&D way of worshipping until I just saw that comment. Now I really want to make a character with that in mind.
The way I see it is that most people do that and can pray to any god or gods they wish while clerics get their powers from a god in exchange for only worshiping that one deity
Choosing a single deity is mostly for paladins, their champions, and clerics, their priests. If you're not one of those you can pray to the rain God for rain and the sun God for sunny days. If you want rain powers you are a cleric of the rain God and pray only for rain every day and try to get everyone else to pray to the rain God... Basically.
Lol sadly my own brother who is a Christian, but also kind of an idiot, feels this way as well. I've tried to set him straight, but he seemed to skip the verse that states, "a wise man loves correction, while a foolish man scorns correction." Lol
@@Tigermanprevatt4498 the consensus of the Christian church through the past two millennia would disagree: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed It's a long read but it covers about every heresy about Christ.
@@Tigermanprevatt4498 it's literally the hardest thing to explain about God. That Jesus is both one with God and yet is apart, that he was fully man yet fully God. Pretty sure our 1 dimensional mortal states will not be able to define His 3 dimensional state until we are in His Presence (although we may not even fully comprehend it then either). Lol
I would like to point out, the Seed did not become the Infinite Abyss, but it simply created the Infinite Abyss around it, as it was the original Seed of Darkness. The Infinite Abyss still contains the Seed which created it, and has even consumed a few Gods which went after it. Should any Divine manage to acquire the Seed of Darkness, they could either choose to spread the Darkness as the Seed of Darkness sustains them and grows in power with the expansion of the Darkness, or they could uproot the Seed and return the world to it's originally intended form, as Evil would quickly become a legend.
@@gingermcgingin1733 No... they make it pretty damned clear in those games that in the universe they have set up, darkness is an objectively evil force
"Gross incandescence"...Don't think you can just slip that Solaire reference in there all nonchalantly and expect me not to notice. I see you. I saw what you did there...and I both love and hate you for it. Lol.
I particularly enjoyed the basic breakdown of the major deities of alignment...it draws a clear line across the broader aspects of who a character might worship. Kord seems a favorite to barbarians, for instance...they "rage", yes, but they have the potential to do some good. Likewise, Avandra may appeal to risk-takers like rogues & bards. There are many lesser deities, as well...I find Lliira, for instance, to be somewhat amusing, as her followers, known as "Joydancers", tend to be bards & clerics that express their worship through festivals and dances...I formed an entire backstory based around a hardened, weary warrior who had grown sick of bloodshed, found Lliira, and embraced love & happiness as his truth...but when threatened, he implemented the "dance" of her followers into his swordsmanship to protect the innocent. Sometimes, you can build a whole backstory around these gods.
I made a warlock whose village was burned by a boneclaw leading other undead, he caught smoke on the wind thanks to the traveler and rushed home as fast as possible. He died trying to save his family, but the Raven Queen made a deal: just this once she would return him and his giant lizard thing to life in unaging bodies, they hit their physical prime and stay there. In return he would hunt undead and conduct humble funerals and such, acting as her hand in the physical world and as soon as they die their souls go to the shadowfell to be sentries in her palace. He left what was once his home with new magic, and a couple of special items and now prays to the traveler for good fortune and the raven queen for power and guidance.
Liira is best girl. I actually played a bard/paladin Asamir of her once. My ultimate goal was to elevate her to the major pantheon by spreading her worship far and wide. Campaign got cut short unfortunately
@@sanguiniusse434 I honestly enjoy the concept of Llirra...enjoy life, forego violence, cheer people up. What's not to like? Shame about your campaign. Working on a Hexblade Tome Warlock / Lore Bard...he's accidentally uncovered a tome that has a direct connection to Vecna...though he's unaware of that. He has a peculiar fixation with uncovering magic and secrets and scribbling them into his tome...the tome hungers for knowledge, you see, and it's one of many that feeds Vecna's power. In exchange, he becomes more powerful, and perhaps a bit more cold and ruthless...not your typical happy-go-lucky bard! Mechanically, this involves writing down ritual spells as a warlock, as well as general quest notes (weirdly meta, because my own notes are considered "known" to Vecna). In addition, as a Lore Bard mainly, I tend to seek out knowledge already, and my "Magical Secrets" are gifts bestowed to me by my patron...and they are quite sinister. "Hunger of Hadar"..."Soul Trap"..."Harm"..."Finger of Death"... ...eventually, if I ever get to a high level with this particular character, the chief reward is the necromancy spell, "Clone"...so he can spend an eternity dying, being reborn, and continue seeking knowledge.
I'm trying to get into DnD, and I'm making an Aasimar Paladin. I've been wondering how to do religion and the angelic guide and stuff, and I'm watching this to try and figure out my character. So far, this was pretty helpful!
I love the god Kord as Kord is one of the most basic gods to please, and as long as your beating the crap out of something with either a weapon, lightning, or thunder your making him happy so I often play paladins and clerics of Kord due to his lack of care when it comes to morals which allows my characters to express their morality much more without angering or disappointing their god
My DM home brewed all the gods based off of the dnd pantheon and historical ones ( Celtic, Roman, and Egyptian) and it worked really well. It keeps close to the dnd pantheon but it expands on it way farther.
Mr Freddo Renton Deities are more of a Cleric feature. Oaths are the more characteristic guideline for Paladins but deities can help as well, just not to a great extent as a Cleric.
Talos the mighty! Talos the unering! Talos the unassailable! To you we give praise! We are but maggots, writhing in the filth of our own corruption! While you have ascended from the dung of mortality, and now walk amongs the stars! -Heimskr , 4E 201
thats a lot to keep track of .____.''' D&D, from a full perspective, gives me vibes of a Monotheism, seeing as the DM has power over all and the Gods are their underlings as such.
Dnd hierarchy is demigods lesser gods intermittent gods greater gods overdeities who are the gods of the multiverse you start in ( there can be different multiverse with different over deities) Ao is the most known Over deity. Then they have deities above that and so on and so fourth until you reach dm (God of dungeons and dragons at your table) dm friends who are chilling with him/her then there is WotC who is lord and creator of all
Thanks for the fantastic video, Logan! As always, your passion for the subject really shows! I'm working on creating a setting in which the theology, cosmology, astrology, and magic system are all closely intertwined, and your video has greatly helped me realize what I need to edit or redefine, as well as what is working so far. There are multiple tiers of gods in my setting. Most deities are represented as a loose pantheon of wild gods, created through a form of animism that is also the source of the magic in this world. Meanwhile, the more powerful deities represent a combination of a tight pantheon and dualism, with gods representing pairs of directly opposing concepts or ideals, such as light/dark, life/death, existence/void, etc. Though I have left room for the possibility to include all sorts of deities in my setting, I'm realizing that I have yet to really flesh out the loose pantheon I mentioned. The lesser deities will have a drastic effect on the rest of the worldbuilding, including historical conflicts, mythology, and culture. To further work toward the goal of creating an expansive and believable world, I still need to create lesser deities to represent a wider range of domains. You included a great list of potential domains in your video, and I am very grateful for that! That said, the domains you listed do not all have direct counterparts in the game mechanics of D&D. Do you have any recommendations for how best to represent the domains other than the eight physical domains you mentioned? For example, how might one run a Cleric of Delirium in a game of 5th edition? I'm trying to cover as much ground as possible with my worldbuilding efforts, but I'm trying not to homebrew too many rules for when I run a game in this setting. Sorry for the long message, I just wanted to hear what else you might have to say to expand on that particular topic!
If you use different domain types, you'll have to re-imagine some cleric paths. For a cleric of delirium, you could easily use the trickery domain and modify it where you see fit. Check the DMs workshop in the back of the DMs guide for tips on balancing, but try to keep the mentality of connecting dots. Likely each endless domain shares similarities to one or two other domains. This video was made mostly to get your creative juices flowing, but what you do with the presented ideas will be affected by your own unique style.
@@Runesmith The video certainly did get my creative juices flowing! Thanks for the reply, I'll check the DMG again and see what I can come up with to make these domains work mechanically. I appreciate the inspiration and support!
This video was so peaceful and quiet. Very weird after watching your "Basically - - - " series, I had assumed there would be jokes. Honestly it was a very nice difference, even if I am a fan of silliness.
Great video! I use the Dawn War pantheon for most of my campaigns, and I think this is a good explanation! I'm going to send this to my new players if they have questions. I do edit the pantheon a little, with Kord being Chaotic Good, Ioun being Lawful Neutral, and Bane no longer being evil, but neutral. Because the gods are the ones who hold the line against the primordials and demon lords in the world, I decided to shift the balance a little closer to good.
Thank you for letting me learn about all these gods, i wanted to play a cleric and was thinking what god would best fit for my character, and i think i will definitely go with sun bro.
I love how the good gods of the good elves look on drow and orcs as animals to kill on sight an nobody in-universe brings up this patently evil attitude.
That's because their actions in the setting have earned them that reputation. And before you bring up how it's possible for there to be good Drow and Orcs, I want to point out that they are exceedingly RARE. Meeting a good Drow or a good Orc is in all likelihood going to be a once in a life time experience. So you're better off just ignoring the warning shots and going straight for the kill.
@@michaelorr7608 WE do, but not the world of fantasy. And as I said, the vast, overwhelming majority of Drow in the setting are unapologetically evil. It is extremely difficult for any Drow to escape the tyranny of Lolth, with those who try to do so often being hunted down and killed before they make it anywhere close to the surface. And just because a Drow is on the surface, doesn't mean they're an escapee. Drow come to the surface regularly to capture slaves, and they even have a maturity ritual, where they have to go to the surface and murder an intelligent creature to be fully accepted among their people.
@@Nyrufa okay but you don't see any potential flaws in most DnD world's containing Lawful Good god's that are less moral than your average real life human?
@@michaelorr7608 No, I don't. If anything, I love that kind of setting. The idea that there are intelligent races which are fundamentally different from our own is something which I find fascinating. I don't want to explore a fantasy setting where everything with the capacity of sapience is just "humans wearing a cosmetic skin." That setting sounds boring. Why would you even bother making a bunch of different races, if the only differences between them are superficial?
Great overview of how the gods work! The Dawn War pantheon is more now due to Forgotten Realms but I like that you’ve mentioned there are indeed other ones out there on different worlds and settings. After all Toril is most certainly not the only place in the multiverse. Best of luck as well to this new channel!
I mean no offense, I love your videos, they're all great help to me when I have questions about dnd. This one in particular helped a great deal. It was just bothering me so much that you misspelled 'tempest' as 'tempist'. It just bothered me a bit, but I completely understand a simple error. Keep up the good work!
Is not everything within reach of Thalmor influence? They may not be as familiar with all the lands, as they are with their rectal cavities. But, much like their own illustrious craniums- they will push through any obstacle. B]
I enjoyed the presentation of this video. I also like the more whimsical style some of your other videos. I have always admired people who can work in different styles. It seems to keep things fresher from my point of view. Keep up the good work.
So basically anyone who read the crossover books then or actually just anyone who read any of his books there are at least one instance of faded gods in each of his series hell theres a whole building of em in the Kane chronicles
I cannot tell you how helpful 4:49 is to this day 👌 understanding deities and organising them based on plane and alignment can REALLY help homebrewed worldbuilding by understanding how the world interacts with itself
Hello! I've been looking for some kind of map or explanation of the Realmspace, and where exactly can you find the Forgotten Realms and dragonlance settings in it. I want to DM a crossover between the two, but I can't find anything related to their relation with the overall universe/plsnr of existence.
Great video! I hate to sound nitpicky, but in Christianity, Jesus isn't less powerful than God the Father. In a sense He has a different role, but they're both (along with the Holy Spirit) God. Obviously I still get the point you were making with that example though, and good video overall. Just wanted to clear that potential misunderstanding.
Ah the trinity theory taken from india. It is true both Yaweh and Jesús are gods but they're not both the same god. One is the architect and the other is the builder while the holy spirit is the power use. If they were the same then the greek Christian scriptures would make no sense for who does Jesus pray to before being taken by the Romans?
Jesus is a deity in the definition of the word Deity: he who has power over someone's life Yet many times Jesus said that all praising should go to the creator (Yahweh/Jehovah, god of the jews and old testament), not him
So I tend to mix animism with polytheism with multiple gods having domain over the same stuff which effectively allows for any number of gods with scholars actively studying the gods themselves which also made way for me to add a home brewed cleric wizards who looks at the clerics and says I don't need a god to cast a healing spell
A couple things I do to create a pantheon. When making a pantheon of wild gods, I usually make a set of rules akin to physical laws to decide how gods and religous stories are created. For instance, a God could become a God once the number of followers and believers is greater than or equal to three. When dealing with wild Gods, incorporate culture into the pantheon. When designing a polytheistic religion, decide upon an ordered religion or an disordered religion. A disordered religion is a religion with no rigid connections between the main Gods. An ordered religion has exactly n Gods in the order, with a connection between all of their domains. Some examples of orders: n=2 Two gods represent the opposite of each other, either in harmony or havoc. Like yin and yang. n=3 Either two extremes and one middle or three sides of a triangle. Like the triforce or Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades. n=4 Choose 2 qualities, the first becomes the x axis and the second becomes y. Either graph the extreme corners or the extreme sides. For example, the classical elements. n=5 You probably saw the other comment in this section first, but choose one quality for the first God, choose its antonym for the second God, give a similar word to the second God, give its antonym to the third, and so on until it loops back. I could keep going, but we'd be here all day. Ordered systems can have inordered subsets, and inordered subsets can have ordered subsets.
Zehir gets special mention in that he's SO good at trickery, multiple civilizations have worshipped him under different names, and different *alignments*
One pantheon design choice you missed is what 4th Ed started and the Kobold Press Midgard Campaign Setting uses now for PF, 5th, and others. Single alignment gods. Like True Neutral, these are gods of just "Law" "Chaos" "Good" and "Evil." They accept any worshipers that align with that single aspect, regardless of the other component of their worshiper's alignments. This leads to religions full of diverse opinions, active schisms, and lots of lulz for Deities and DMs alike.
Wizards of the Coast writers clearly care about their world and lore so much that I've never even heard of most of these after reading several adventures.
I'm playing a single player campaign right now in which my character ascended to divinity when a dying god, who was lost for a very long time, gave him his portfolio to take his place. My DM made an entire system for the outer planes, for goodhood and the powers, the ranking system of divinity, how to interact with followers etc. And now i, a tiny demi-god, have to deal with all the weird views and expectations of other deities. It's quite fun^^
i love the Dawnwar pantheon...and Bahamut is my favorite among them,in my headcannon and some of my own settings,bahamut is father to the Eladragon, or "Dragon elves" as also refer to them as. ........ pantheons ake for fun capeigns,ive only Dm'd one capeign where there was no pantheon for my players to worship,because in this setting my players WERE the pantheon of gods,at least what was left of them.
Thinking about these deities within their cultural context is so interesting, as if they’ve been crafted to reflect their respective societies’ norms and long-standing conflicts with other peoples
Good video Logan! I only have one complaint. The ending was a repeat of your DnD guide series on XP to lvl 3. Aside from that though, great work. I do enjoy your style and wish to see you grow as a youtuber.
2018 Logan: Welcome fellow adventurers, today I shall teach you about the expansive lore of the multiverse. Current Logan: hey stinky poopoo heads today im gonna tell u about how goblins fuck rocks
Another thing to consider is that not all gods/religions are going to use Clerics as their vessels of influence upon the material plane. Some will use Druids and others Warlocks as part of organized or disorganized religion.
Two questions: 1. Does Grummsh have minotaurs in his ranks? 2. How does Vecna feel about having undead servants at his beck and call? I only ask because I'm looking for evil deities to have their respective essence stolen by a power-hungry individual or couple to conquer the material plane in the form of an unspeakable horror; I have an appearance in mind with possible work-arounds being needed.
The nine divines is also an example of wild gods as well. A reason the Thalmor wish to stop everyone from worshipping Talos is that it will in fact stop Talos from existing or lessen his power as his followers are lessened. In the same sense its also why the Tribunal were seen as living Gods and why their power steadily grew as all of Morrowind was to see them as the representation of their Tribunal of Azura, Maphala, and Boethia. Which is why when Morrowind starts we see the Tribunal also losing their power. Yes because they cant return to Red Mountain to refresh their power but also because the citizens are beginning to have doubts. From what Ive seen wild gods can be applied to Elder Scrolls due this
Monotheism with a bunch of lesser gods would either be henotheism or just plain polytheism. Belief in two deities is sometimes referred to as duotheism.
Based on my character's alignment which is a lawful neutral halfling ranger, I think the gods that I will be worshipping are Erathis and The Raven Queen.
I made religion weird in my homebrew setting. First, major temples influence areas of various size, like kingdoms or duchies (for instance), though it's not always a political boundary. Next you have shrines to other d&d canon gods and goddesses (who may in turn be the patron of another major temple somewhere else). Then you have the lesser gods, similar to the Japanese yokai, which are scattered around the world. Lesser gods may have shrines, but if they reach the point of a major temple, they will be elevated to proper divinity. Also, clerics of major temple provide public services specific to their (or their deity's) domain, ie clerics with the domain of life handle medical concerns, law clerics are like the judges from Judge Dredd, death clerics handle preparation, presentation and final arrangements of the deceased etc... It's complicated and weird, but religion often is, in my experience
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As a DM still in his first year, I can't express enough how much these kinds of summarized videos help with my worldbuilding. Thanks for another good video
Same here!
and I'm a player (*cough* driving my dm crazy *cough*) becoming a god
Don't keep yourself to DnD lore, it's pretty bad because it's so overly generic. It's much more fun to either make your own lore or take it from other fantasy genres that do a better job at it.
@@taserrr and they always update the lore with important plot points missing why are they doing that
I wish D&D religion was a little more like historical polytheism. You average Greek would have prayed to Zeus when hoping for rain, to Demeter when harvesting, to the local nymphai when strolling in the country, and to Ares if he got conscripted during a war, rather than just picking one singular God to worship.
that's a good point, I've always had an interest in the Greek pantheon, but never really questioned the D&D way of worshipping until I just saw that comment. Now I really want to make a character with that in mind.
The way I see it is that most people do that and can pray to any god or gods they wish while clerics get their powers from a god in exchange for only worshiping that one deity
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@@SkyeHawthorn That's more accurately described as a Polytheist Cleric. But hey, I minored in Theology, so maybe I'm a bit nitpicky, lol.
Choosing a single deity is mostly for paladins, their champions, and clerics, their priests. If you're not one of those you can pray to the rain God for rain and the sun God for sunny days. If you want rain powers you are a cleric of the rain God and pray only for rain every day and try to get everyone else to pray to the rain God... Basically.
"The Son of God could be considered a lessor being than God himself"
*St. Nicholas would like to know your location*
Yep, that's what we call *heresy* in Christianity!
Lol sadly my own brother who is a Christian, but also kind of an idiot, feels this way as well. I've tried to set him straight, but he seemed to skip the verse that states, "a wise man loves correction, while a foolish man scorns correction." Lol
They're is a little truth in that that's why he was sent to die he was never ment to be powerful or equal to god
@@Tigermanprevatt4498 the consensus of the Christian church through the past two millennia would disagree: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed
It's a long read but it covers about every heresy about Christ.
@@Tigermanprevatt4498 it's literally the hardest thing to explain about God. That Jesus is both one with God and yet is apart, that he was fully man yet fully God. Pretty sure our 1 dimensional mortal states will not be able to define His 3 dimensional state until we are in His Presence (although we may not even fully comprehend it then either). Lol
if only I could be so *_GROSSLY INCANDESCENT_*
ah a fellow tanuki fan I see
Truly a man of culture
@@eleonora7473 i thought I was the only one who loved that band
Kevin Blanchard
*JOLLY COOPERATION ;)*
Praise the sun
But he who shines in the light of day is.....FLOURESCENT!
You mean that a animistic Light Cleric would have to PRAISE THE SUN
Yeeyee
Jolly cooperation
If only I could be so grossly incandescent
Probably pretty big on Jolly Cooperation too.
And hello to you too, Escanor
I would like to point out, the Seed did not become the Infinite Abyss, but it simply created the Infinite Abyss around it, as it was the original Seed of Darkness. The Infinite Abyss still contains the Seed which created it, and has even consumed a few Gods which went after it. Should any Divine manage to acquire the Seed of Darkness, they could either choose to spread the Darkness as the Seed of Darkness sustains them and grows in power with the expansion of the Darkness, or they could uproot the Seed and return the world to it's originally intended form, as Evil would quickly become a legend.
Dude thanks I needed this for my campaign xD
this sounds like a Kingdom Hearts plot
@@Darasilverdragon No, in KH Darkness is just as essential as Light, & isn't necessarily 'evil'
@@gingermcgingin1733 No... they make it pretty damned clear in those games that in the universe they have set up, darkness is an objectively evil force
This kind of stuff is why I feel dnd base world is to much
It's so strange hearing Rune's voice in his earlier videos. I'm so used to his chill, sarcastic tone, his reverent narrator voice takes me off guard
tell me about it! never knew he started like this haha love it
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"Gross incandescence"...Don't think you can just slip that Solaire reference in there all nonchalantly and expect me not to notice. I see you. I saw what you did there...and I both love and hate you for it. Lol.
I too, could be called a god of wonton destruction.
I'm glad someone else thought this too.
Feared by chinese takeaways across the realm.
@@Ranulfdatank* Karate Chops a GO Cup in half *
I'm the god of self destruction
So a murder hobo?
I particularly enjoyed the basic breakdown of the major deities of alignment...it draws a clear line across the broader aspects of who a character might worship.
Kord seems a favorite to barbarians, for instance...they "rage", yes, but they have the potential to do some good.
Likewise, Avandra may appeal to risk-takers like rogues & bards.
There are many lesser deities, as well...I find Lliira, for instance, to be somewhat amusing, as her followers, known as "Joydancers", tend to be bards & clerics that express their worship through festivals and dances...I formed an entire backstory based around a hardened, weary warrior who had grown sick of bloodshed, found Lliira, and embraced love & happiness as his truth...but when threatened, he implemented the "dance" of her followers into his swordsmanship to protect the innocent.
Sometimes, you can build a whole backstory around these gods.
I made a warlock whose village was burned by a boneclaw leading other undead, he caught smoke on the wind thanks to the traveler and rushed home as fast as possible. He died trying to save his family, but the Raven Queen made a deal: just this once she would return him and his giant lizard thing to life in unaging bodies, they hit their physical prime and stay there. In return he would hunt undead and conduct humble funerals and such, acting as her hand in the physical world and as soon as they die their souls go to the shadowfell to be sentries in her palace. He left what was once his home with new magic, and a couple of special items and now prays to the traveler for good fortune and the raven queen for power and guidance.
Liira is best girl. I actually played a bard/paladin Asamir of her once. My ultimate goal was to elevate her to the major pantheon by spreading her worship far and wide. Campaign got cut short unfortunately
@@sanguiniusse434 I honestly enjoy the concept of Llirra...enjoy life, forego violence, cheer people up. What's not to like?
Shame about your campaign.
Working on a Hexblade Tome Warlock / Lore Bard...he's accidentally uncovered a tome that has a direct connection to Vecna...though he's unaware of that. He has a peculiar fixation with uncovering magic and secrets and scribbling them into his tome...the tome hungers for knowledge, you see, and it's one of many that feeds Vecna's power. In exchange, he becomes more powerful, and perhaps a bit more cold and ruthless...not your typical happy-go-lucky bard!
Mechanically, this involves writing down ritual spells as a warlock, as well as general quest notes (weirdly meta, because my own notes are considered "known" to Vecna). In addition, as a Lore Bard mainly, I tend to seek out knowledge already, and my "Magical Secrets" are gifts bestowed to me by my patron...and they are quite sinister.
"Hunger of Hadar"..."Soul Trap"..."Harm"..."Finger of Death"...
...eventually, if I ever get to a high level with this particular character, the chief reward is the necromancy spell, "Clone"...so he can spend an eternity dying, being reborn, and continue seeking knowledge.
I dislike the alignment system as a whole. It seems wrong to define what is and isnt morally good on a scale like that
PRAISE THE SUN!
I SEE YOU HAVENT PRAISED THE SUN!
*WHY HAVENT YOU PRAISED THE SUN?!*
but its nighttime....
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Shadowpurr *SILENCE, HERETIC. NOW PRAISE*
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10:52 Zehir literally means "poison" in my language, how weird lmao.
you speak turkish
Astro rogue 2 yea, I do, lol
Bildiğin her yerdeyiz lan
His blood was at one point even made into a poison to kill his daughter who had sided with priest of Pelor.
Agalar her yerde.
I'm trying to get into DnD, and I'm making an Aasimar Paladin. I've been wondering how to do religion and the angelic guide and stuff, and I'm watching this to try and figure out my character. So far, this was pretty helpful!
I love the god Kord as Kord is one of the most basic gods to please, and as long as your beating the crap out of something with either a weapon, lightning, or thunder your making him happy so I often play paladins and clerics of Kord due to his lack of care when it comes to morals which allows my characters to express their morality much more without angering or disappointing their god
My DM home brewed all the gods based off of the dnd pantheon and historical ones ( Celtic, Roman, and Egyptian) and it worked really well. It keeps close to the dnd pantheon but it expands on it way farther.
As a Paladin main, this is going to be a great resource
Mr Freddo Renton Deities are more of a Cleric feature. Oaths are the more characteristic guideline for Paladins but deities can help as well, just not to a great extent as a Cleric.
Talos the mighty! Talos the unering! Talos the unassailable! To you we give praise! We are but maggots, writhing in the filth of our own corruption! While you have ascended from the dung of mortality, and now walk amongs the stars!
-Heimskr , 4E 201
“In a godless setting” while depicting the Soul of Cinder staring into the eclipse. Obviously not a coincidence.
This is an absolutely excellent detailing of the core structure of religion and how it specifically applies to D&D. It's awesome, thank you
thats a lot to keep track of .____.'''
D&D, from a full perspective, gives me vibes of a Monotheism, seeing as the DM has power over all and the Gods are their underlings as such.
That's still polytheism because there are still lesser gods
Dnd hierarchy is demigods lesser gods intermittent gods greater gods overdeities who are the gods of the multiverse you start in ( there can be different multiverse with different over deities) Ao is the most known Over deity. Then they have deities above that and so on and so fourth until you reach dm (God of dungeons and dragons at your table) dm friends who are chilling with him/her then there is WotC who is lord and creator of all
Ethan Looney Technically Ao is WotC based on the few things he does in the lore, and the fact that his domain is “gods, balance.”
Thanks for the fantastic video, Logan! As always, your passion for the subject really shows!
I'm working on creating a setting in which the theology, cosmology, astrology, and magic system are all closely intertwined, and your video has greatly helped me realize what I need to edit or redefine, as well as what is working so far.
There are multiple tiers of gods in my setting. Most deities are represented as a loose pantheon of wild gods, created through a form of animism that is also the source of the magic in this world. Meanwhile, the more powerful deities represent a combination of a tight pantheon and dualism, with gods representing pairs of directly opposing concepts or ideals, such as light/dark, life/death, existence/void, etc.
Though I have left room for the possibility to include all sorts of deities in my setting, I'm realizing that I have yet to really flesh out the loose pantheon I mentioned. The lesser deities will have a drastic effect on the rest of the worldbuilding, including historical conflicts, mythology, and culture. To further work toward the goal of creating an expansive and believable world, I still need to create lesser deities to represent a wider range of domains. You included a great list of potential domains in your video, and I am very grateful for that!
That said, the domains you listed do not all have direct counterparts in the game mechanics of D&D. Do you have any recommendations for how best to represent the domains other than the eight physical domains you mentioned? For example, how might one run a Cleric of Delirium in a game of 5th edition? I'm trying to cover as much ground as possible with my worldbuilding efforts, but I'm trying not to homebrew too many rules for when I run a game in this setting.
Sorry for the long message, I just wanted to hear what else you might have to say to expand on that particular topic!
If you use different domain types, you'll have to re-imagine some cleric paths. For a cleric of delirium, you could easily use the trickery domain and modify it where you see fit. Check the DMs workshop in the back of the DMs guide for tips on balancing, but try to keep the mentality of connecting dots. Likely each endless domain shares similarities to one or two other domains. This video was made mostly to get your creative juices flowing, but what you do with the presented ideas will be affected by your own unique style.
@@Runesmith The video certainly did get my creative juices flowing! Thanks for the reply, I'll check the DMG again and see what I can come up with to make these domains work mechanically. I appreciate the inspiration and support!
The gods are among my favorite aspects of D&D.
I would simply like to say that, to my knowledge, Jesus isn't a lesser underling of God. Rather, he's merely God's tangible and mortal aspect.
Connor Coltrane he’s showing how you would have to use it in dnd. But you’re right
More like incarnation but that might be what you said and I just missed it
This video was so peaceful and quiet. Very weird after watching your "Basically - - - " series, I had assumed there would be jokes. Honestly it was a very nice difference, even if I am a fan of silliness.
Great video! I use the Dawn War pantheon for most of my campaigns, and I think this is a good explanation! I'm going to send this to my new players if they have questions.
I do edit the pantheon a little, with Kord being Chaotic Good, Ioun being Lawful Neutral, and Bane no longer being evil, but neutral. Because the gods are the ones who hold the line against the primordials and demon lords in the world, I decided to shift the balance a little closer to good.
Tall bois shall protect one another.
Average height bois support this channel too because it's awesome.
I am a fellow tall boi at 6'4, I will stand by my brother Logan and my brother Eli!
@@Fallenmonkd20 At 6'6, I will support you and brother Logan; we shall not be silenced!
Can a smol boi join too?
outlier 07 it doesn't matter how small you are on the outside, it matters how big of a boi you are on the inside!
Thank you for letting me learn about all these gods, i wanted to play a cleric and was thinking what god would best fit for my character, and i think i will definitely go with sun bro.
I love how the good gods of the good elves look on drow and orcs as animals to kill on sight an nobody in-universe brings up this patently evil attitude.
That's because their actions in the setting have earned them that reputation. And before you bring up how it's possible for there to be good Drow and Orcs, I want to point out that they are exceedingly RARE. Meeting a good Drow or a good Orc is in all likelihood going to be a once in a life time experience. So you're better off just ignoring the warning shots and going straight for the kill.
@@Nyrufa I thought we worked on an innocent until proven guilty system
@@michaelorr7608 WE do, but not the world of fantasy. And as I said, the vast, overwhelming majority of Drow in the setting are unapologetically evil. It is extremely difficult for any Drow to escape the tyranny of Lolth, with those who try to do so often being hunted down and killed before they make it anywhere close to the surface. And just because a Drow is on the surface, doesn't mean they're an escapee. Drow come to the surface regularly to capture slaves, and they even have a maturity ritual, where they have to go to the surface and murder an intelligent creature to be fully accepted among their people.
@@Nyrufa okay but you don't see any potential flaws in most DnD world's containing Lawful Good god's that are less moral than your average real life human?
@@michaelorr7608 No, I don't. If anything, I love that kind of setting. The idea that there are intelligent races which are fundamentally different from our own is something which I find fascinating. I don't want to explore a fantasy setting where everything with the capacity of sapience is just "humans wearing a cosmetic skin." That setting sounds boring. Why would you even bother making a bunch of different races, if the only differences between them are superficial?
Great overview of how the gods work! The Dawn War pantheon is more now due to Forgotten Realms but I like that you’ve mentioned there are indeed other ones out there on different worlds and settings. After all Toril is most certainly not the only place in the multiverse. Best of luck as well to this new channel!
Your videos are short, sweet, and very entertaining! I’m actually learning!
7:39 SCANLAN!!! Ioun's champion. Lol.
I mean no offense, I love your videos, they're all great help to me when I have questions about dnd. This one in particular helped a great deal. It was just bothering me so much that you misspelled 'tempest' as 'tempist'. It just bothered me a bit, but I completely understand a simple error. Keep up the good work!
Runesmith does an ASMR
2:57 "The Nine Divines"
Bold words from someone within Thalmor Influence distance
Praise Talos. Mighty Talos! He who was once man, is now DIVINE!
Is not everything within reach of Thalmor influence? They may not be as familiar with all the lands, as they are with their rectal cavities. But, much like their own illustrious craniums- they will push through any obstacle. B]
This is your best video. Love the tone of it. More mature/serious.
I enjoyed the presentation of this video. I also like the more whimsical style some of your other videos. I have always admired people who can work in different styles. It seems to keep things fresher from my point of view. Keep up the good work.
In every game I run, Ronnie James Dio is an official Deity.
Good play with words
1:18 I love that piece of artwork. It shows so little, yet it still invokes some feelings...
The range of tone in your videos is impressive.
Began creating my own pantheon: your tips on the main domains really helped organise it
Wild gods sounds like how it works in Rick riordan books like Percy Jackson but only long time readers understand
So basically anyone who read the crossover books then or actually just anyone who read any of his books there are at least one instance of faded gods in each of his series hell theres a whole building of em in the Kane chronicles
What are you talking about, I didn't at all tear up when you showed the one and only champion of Ioun, Scanlan Shorthalt
I cannot tell you how helpful 4:49 is to this day 👌 understanding deities and organising them based on plane and alignment can REALLY help homebrewed worldbuilding by understanding how the world interacts with itself
I really thought this would be more like the "basically" series
GrOsS InCaNdEsCeNcE
Can I just say, you've found some really kickass art to illustrate your video here.
4:26 is the start of the suggested gods for homebrew
As a new DM, I can't thank you enough for these videos.
I love your videos, simple yet elucidating explanations and very aesthetic.
Hello! I've been looking for some kind of map or explanation of the Realmspace, and where exactly can you find the Forgotten Realms and dragonlance settings in it. I want to DM a crossover between the two, but I can't find anything related to their relation with the overall universe/plsnr of existence.
Great video! I hate to sound nitpicky, but in Christianity, Jesus isn't less powerful than God the Father. In a sense He has a different role, but they're both (along with the Holy Spirit) God. Obviously I still get the point you were making with that example though, and good video overall. Just wanted to clear that potential misunderstanding.
Ah the trinity theory taken from india. It is true both Yaweh and Jesús are gods but they're not both the same god. One is the architect and the other is the builder while the holy spirit is the power use. If they were the same then the greek Christian scriptures would make no sense for who does Jesus pray to before being taken by the Romans?
Jesus is a deity in the definition of the word
Deity: he who has power over someone's life
Yet many times Jesus said that all praising should go to the creator (Yahweh/Jehovah, god of the jews and old testament), not him
This is true
Brandon colo you would like to debate de creed of constantinople on youtube? The guy up there is right!
@@Vlugazoide the guy up there is right when talking about roman catholicism, yes
Came here for D&D, got history and philosophical lesson. Nice 👍🏻
lmao "gruush the god of wonton destruction" dude loves himself some chinese buffets
The wontons are made with the flesh of the people the orcs conquered, and the orcs must cook wontons for Gruumsh or also be eaten.
I finally found my faith.
Clearly a god with good taste.
Gruush wants you to eat wonton,fuck and hate elves and that sounds Good to me!
who is gruush?............... gruumsh.... guys, cmon ... noobs.
So I tend to mix animism with polytheism with multiple gods having domain over the same stuff which effectively allows for any number of gods with scholars actively studying the gods themselves which also made way for me to add a home brewed cleric wizards who looks at the clerics and says I don't need a god to cast a healing spell
Feels really weird to come back to these old videos. I definitely remember why I subscribed back then, but so very different to what he settled into.
I'm new to the channel. Been watching the comical basically dnd vids. Then this. You can hear reverence in voice and music. Well done.
He is reading from a script and treading so lightly it's insane... can't blame him
Seeing a videos this serious from you is a bit uncanny, but i like it
A couple things I do to create a pantheon.
When making a pantheon of wild gods, I usually make a set of rules akin to physical laws to decide how gods and religous stories are created. For instance, a God could become a God once the number of followers and believers is greater than or equal to three.
When dealing with wild Gods, incorporate culture into the pantheon.
When designing a polytheistic religion, decide upon an ordered religion or an disordered religion. A disordered religion is a religion with no rigid connections between the main Gods. An ordered religion has exactly n Gods in the order, with a connection between all of their domains. Some examples of orders:
n=2
Two gods represent the opposite of each other, either in harmony or havoc. Like yin and yang.
n=3
Either two extremes and one middle or three sides of a triangle. Like the triforce or Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades.
n=4
Choose 2 qualities, the first becomes the x axis and the second becomes y. Either graph the extreme corners or the extreme sides. For example, the classical elements.
n=5
You probably saw the other comment in this section first, but choose one quality for the first God, choose its antonym for the second God, give a similar word to the second God, give its antonym to the third, and so on until it loops back.
I could keep going, but we'd be here all day.
Ordered systems can have inordered subsets, and inordered subsets can have ordered subsets.
I can see the tone and work in this video. Thank you. You got me inspired for my next game
Zehir gets special mention in that he's SO good at trickery, multiple civilizations have worshipped him under different names, and different *alignments*
I'm just now getting into DnD, so this helps me so much!
I LOVE THIS MUSIC! IT FITS THE VIDEO SO WELL.
The whole tone of this channel sure has changed alot over the years XD
One pantheon design choice you missed is what 4th Ed started and the Kobold Press Midgard Campaign Setting uses now for PF, 5th, and others. Single alignment gods. Like True Neutral, these are gods of just "Law" "Chaos" "Good" and "Evil." They accept any worshipers that align with that single aspect, regardless of the other component of their worshiper's alignments. This leads to religions full of diverse opinions, active schisms, and lots of lulz for Deities and DMs alike.
Made a christendom setting, god and archangels being the setting, while having other pantheons in the process, its been a great story so far.
Wizards of the Coast writers clearly care about their world and lore so much that I've never even heard of most of these after reading several adventures.
What an absolutely incredible explanation, you put a lot of work into this. Thank you so much!
This is very well put together and very informative, nice job
Came here because I love Logan
Thanks :)
I'm playing a single player campaign right now in which my character ascended to divinity when a dying god, who was lost for a very long time, gave him his portfolio to take his place.
My DM made an entire system for the outer planes, for goodhood and the powers, the ranking system of divinity, how to interact with followers etc.
And now i, a tiny demi-god, have to deal with all the weird views and expectations of other deities. It's quite fun^^
definitely one of my favorite videos of yours
wow the raven queen is a mood
Ao is one of my favorite D&D deities. I first found out about him in Neverwinter Nights: Shadows of undrentide.
The amount of references breaks my mind
i love the Dawnwar pantheon...and Bahamut is my favorite among them,in my headcannon and some of my own settings,bahamut is father to the Eladragon, or "Dragon elves" as also refer to them as.
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pantheons ake for fun capeigns,ive only Dm'd one capeign where there was no pantheon for my players to worship,because in this setting my players WERE the pantheon of gods,at least what was left of them.
Why didn’t you give a shout out to my home girl Wee Jas? She in the players handbook too! Great video by the way
this is going over the dawn war/Nentir Vale gods. Wee Jas is not a part of those gods.
Thinking about these deities within their cultural context is so interesting, as if they’ve been crafted to reflect their respective societies’ norms and long-standing conflicts with other peoples
Good video Logan! I only have one complaint. The ending was a repeat of your DnD guide series on XP to lvl 3. Aside from that though, great work. I do enjoy your style and wish to see you grow as a youtuber.
I think that was the point. If people hadn't seen that, since it's on a different channel, then they can still get the same info.
When mentioned Karma in the dual deity part I immediately got an Ad for Credit Karma 😂
Never really noticed just how much the Elder Scrolls takes from D&D.
10:50 Zehir means poison in Turkish a great coincidance
these are such soothing videos to listen to
“What are you doing?@
“Oh just studying”
“Studying what for school? The Bible?”
“No dungeons and dragons dummy”
Probably going to have to make more. There are so many deities in D&D it's well a lot. Didn't mention even a quarter of them here.
2018 Logan: Welcome fellow adventurers, today I shall teach you about the expansive lore of the multiverse.
Current Logan: hey stinky poopoo heads today im gonna tell u about how goblins fuck rocks
Another thing to consider is that not all gods/religions are going to use Clerics as their vessels of influence upon the material plane. Some will use Druids and others Warlocks as part of organized or disorganized religion.
Who’s your favorite deity in the forgotten realms?
Andrew Gosnell , 5e or Pre 5e? Probably Ioun or Raven Queen. Ilmater. Definitely ilmater
Helm
Mystra
Ioun and Tiamat.
tempest
Two questions:
1. Does Grummsh have minotaurs in his ranks?
2. How does Vecna feel about having undead servants at his beck and call?
I only ask because I'm looking for evil deities to have their respective essence stolen by a power-hungry individual or couple to conquer the material plane in the form of an unspeakable horror; I have an appearance in mind with possible work-arounds being needed.
Nice video. I been thinking of creating some dieties so I'll probably use a lot of this as reference.
The nine divines is also an example of wild gods as well. A reason the Thalmor wish to stop everyone from worshipping Talos is that it will in fact stop Talos from existing or lessen his power as his followers are lessened. In the same sense its also why the Tribunal were seen as living Gods and why their power steadily grew as all of Morrowind was to see them as the representation of their Tribunal of Azura, Maphala, and Boethia. Which is why when Morrowind starts we see the Tribunal also losing their power. Yes because they cant return to Red Mountain to refresh their power but also because the citizens are beginning to have doubts. From what Ive seen wild gods can be applied to Elder Scrolls due this
I love this series please make more
Therisdon looks like Cathilu from Lovecraft, and Zaheir looks like Dr.Victor Von Doom!
What about the name of Lovecraft's cat's name?
Monotheism with a bunch of lesser gods would either be henotheism or just plain polytheism. Belief in two deities is sometimes referred to as duotheism.
Based on my character's alignment which is a lawful neutral halfling ranger, I think the gods that I will be worshipping are Erathis and The Raven Queen.
I made religion weird in my homebrew setting. First, major temples influence areas of various size, like kingdoms or duchies (for instance), though it's not always a political boundary. Next you have shrines to other d&d canon gods and goddesses (who may in turn be the patron of another major temple somewhere else). Then you have the lesser gods, similar to the Japanese yokai, which are scattered around the world. Lesser gods may have shrines, but if they reach the point of a major temple, they will be elevated to proper divinity. Also, clerics of major temple provide public services specific to their (or their deity's) domain, ie clerics with the domain of life handle medical concerns, law clerics are like the judges from Judge Dredd, death clerics handle preparation, presentation and final arrangements of the deceased etc...
It's complicated and weird, but religion often is, in my experience
Animistic campaign:
Benderer of BitmiShinias: I bend the door to scape
Philipo Jay Fray: You can't bend a wooden door
Benderer of BitmiShinias:(whispers to Philipo) I know that and you know that, but this door looks pretty stupid
In Baldur’s Gate 3 Rafael emanates Lucifer. The actor’s performance is just WOW! 😮. Rafael in Baldur’s Gate does make me think of Faust.
Watching this video, then your more recent ones is a fucking trip lmao