Why Tesla Energy Will Take Over In 2022!
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- Why Tesla Energy Will Take Over In 2022! today we're reviewing all of the news and updates for the Tesla energy division and the Tesla megapack is a key component for their energy business.
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As a Texan, I say bring it on! Texas, has a deregulated energy industry. Great for providing reasonably cheap electricity and allows Tesla to enter the market (not so great for other reasons). We have a fair amount of wind power and potential wind power in TX. The problem is wind has wasted overcapacity peaks with no storage at this point. Yes wind can make TX power slightly cleaner but we still required to cover the full capacity with natural gas and coal power to bridge low output conditions. Because electricity is an on demand model, I think this is a tremendous opportunity for Tesla Energy storage in TX.
Except for socialist Austin
To put it into perspective this battery would power a container ship for 1hr. Yes just 1hr!
These batteries are for smoothing only nothing more.
@@codprawn I don't think you understand the significance of your statement. These batteries will replace peaker plants, by storing overage during times of surplus and producing power during peak demand. You minimize 'smoothing' as though it isn't significant, when it can be millions of dollars saved by not turning on peaker plants in the first place, not to mention reduced dependence on natural gas which most of the peaker plants burn that was such a problem back in Feb.
It also permits a greater buffer for intermittent energy sources such as wind and solar, permitting them to serve a greater role in the power grid as a whole while remaining stable. It won't replace baseline power generation, which will be coal and nuclear, but it can dramatically reduce the reliance on peaker plants.
@@ShneekeyTheLost
The ONLY country that meets and exceeds it's CO2 targets is France because they have masses of nuclear power. Messing around with renewables really isn't helping the planet.
In the UK and Europe a typical Winter wind lull can last 2 weeks when there is a big area of high pressure. To store enough power to cover that lull would take 300 years of the whole World's battery production.
I would be in favour of wind power IF there was a cheap and reliable way of storing the energy. Sadly there isn't. Trillions of dollars are being wasted around the World with no benefit to the planet. The technology has existed since the 1950s to cut back on CO2 production but sadly the anti nuclear lobby always wins.
@@codprawn Nuclear is not something to brag about .I would prefer black outs to having Nuclear
If I were Samsung, would have Tesla install a utility scale Megapack battery next to their IC manufacturing facility so as to guarantee uninterrupted power to the plant. The TX blackout cost them millions to restart the plant.
Excellent point!
Your GWh scale footprint calculation (between 2:50 - 3:00) is way off :
325 Megapacks (1 GWh) indeed cover take up some 42000 ft^2, but if you multiply that by 2.5, the total footprint of the facility is about 100,000 ft. That's only 325x325 ft, or 0.0037 sq.miles.
Which is just a small corner on a parking lot at DisneyWorld Florida... Not half the park.
Energy storage for a city does not take up a lot of space.
Maybe he was including the space for the solar shown at that point.
Thank you. My first thought, was... 2.5x 42k sqft + 20 sqmi??? "Woah, that escalated quickly".
To put it into perspective this battery would power a container ship for 1hr. Yes just 1hr!
These batteries can only smooth out grid power. They make no sense at all.
elon musks companys are moving the world into the future world we all read about ..when we were younger
Isn't your math way off?
42000 square feet for a gigawatt of megapacks X 2.5 is about 2.5 acres. Not tens of square kilometers. Maybe half the size of Disney if you include the solar farm but I didn't hear that specified. Only batteries.
Tesla energy might make Tesla cars look like their 'Hot Wheels' division based on it's importance.
Powered by batteries alone. No. Storage yes. Peaker plant take overs. Renewables all the way.
@@aclassmedicine3306 Solar generation dominance worldwide is still wide open .
I hope he has good security! The energy market is literally cut throat.
He's doing what none could do.
I am really excited about Tesla Energy, especially here in Texas.
Great video again. Thank you. 🙏🏻
Tips:
Instead of using a red X as bullet point, use a green X (or even better use a green checkmark)
In my head a red X is something negative/crossed out.
Just my 2 cents.
Really appreciate your factual, hype-free, calm videos
It takes 2.5 acres, not 20 square miles! 43,000 sq ft equals 1 acre. 2.5x for the pad equals 2.5 acres.
Hawaii needs this. First state to be 100% renewables and batteries for sure
Every island needs this!!
@@robbaker5018 yes absolutely. I should have said that. They import expensive fossil fuels and are plagued with infrastructure issues from hurricanes and more.
No doubt.
Hawaii happens to be near 100% renewables already and is only limited by a lack of storage so I'm looking forward to the first 100% fossil fuel state, but many others would benefit way more than Hawaii would.
@@robbaker5018 I'm lucky I live in Texas, where it might start. They just register, to be a Texas Electric Company
I believe they already have a large installation of solar panels and batteries on the main island.
Everyone wants to cover their auto stats. I am more interested in their energy developments. Thanks.
How many stocks you have?
They have a lot of competition in that space. A couple of them have serious backing.
@@davefroman4700 Agreed but I am happy to see them deploying mega packs for their own use instead of just selling them. Thats where the money is.
What about the batteries? Lol.....
@@alanmay7929 They are starting to come rapidly. Not expecting it overnight.
4680 is not just a bigger version of 2170, it is a completely different technology
The energy pack structure is very much necessary coping those windless dark nights. In stead of cranking up traditional power plants the grid can depend on the stored energy as well as not putting the high voltage distribution grid to the limit. As long as the electrical energy can be kept in its local area a lot of strong transformer losses can be avoided. Elon cant lose … I love you Elon
Magapacks are not energy sources. They are transfer mechanisms, time transfer. As such, they need to be paired with real energy sources, such as solar, wind, or traditional steam- or water-driven sources. That makes the question of "when we will see a city powered by Megapacks" nonsensical.
Thank you.
Like when people say hydrogen is the energy source of the future.
The megapack's do not need 20 miles of space, you can build a multi level facility and layer them (think open area parking garages, but just for batteries) and consolidate all that space.
Will this be a good idea for the batteries?
If you have a fire event at a bottom floor, that could put the batteries above at risk
Not very feasible. They weigh so much and seismic risks are too high. Where did 20 miles come from?
His math is wrong unless he is adding in for solar. 42,000 x 2.5 = 105,000 sf = 0.004 square miles
Many thanks. Great video.
Cool video! Thanks!
The obvious answer is to roll out individual power systems to as many customers as possible. When enough individuals have their own clean systems and are selling excess capacity to the grid, the grid won't need mega-power companies anymore. What the system will still need is giga-storage facilities to store energy produced in the day to be used at night.
All Elon companies are unstoppable.
Like boring company and solar........ lol!
@@alanmay7929 You should get professional help for your depression.
They still are falling short on their solar roofs - solar shingles systems and wall battery paks. It would be nice if they improved quality and speed of delivery by hiring their own full time installation crews, trained them all at the Tesla plant, and had a dozen teams located per State of the Union - to roll out their products and install them correctly.
Great research and analysis, thanks guys.
Megapack cities certainly in 3-5 years I think.
The ring of fire mineral deposits is going to be critical for BEV production. I believe that Tesla will be a leader there and will build at least one Giga factory there.
Great video. If I had seen the title a few years ago, I would have laughed and moved on. Now, I believe this company has a real chance to do great things. Still a bit skeptical, but watching with interest.
See how fare Tesla has come today? Imagine where they are in just 5 years 🙄💪🤔
I've been feeling for some time now that using lithium ion batteries for home/city power is dumb. Batteries are fabulous when the thing you're powering moves, e.g. a car, a cordless drill, a phone. But houses don't move. Cities don't move. So why waste lithium ion batteries on them? Use compressed air batteries. Use gravity batteries. Use liquid metal batteries. Save the lithium ion batteries for cars and phones and whatnot.
Lithium ion is cheaper than all those alternatives.
Interesting idea, how would you imagine the implementation of gravity batteries?
@@Killllian i'm no engineer, but maybe just dig a deep hole next to my house, then drop a heavy weight down it on the end of a wire. When the sun's shining, the weight gets pulled up to the top. When it's dark, the weight slowly falls back to the bottom, generating electricity. Like I said, I'm not an engineer.
I hate the fact that I'm still unable to invest in Tesla 😩 Go Elon 👊🏻
Why?
@@davidsosnak2968 I'm not doing good financially at the moment dude but I'll get there eventually. Just need to put my mind to it.
@@theobserver3753 I worked my ass off for 3 years. I have 42 shares today
@@davidsosnak2968 Seriously? That’s quite an achievement. Congratulations bro. I’ll be sure to do the same 👍🏻
@@theobserver3753 how old are you?
Great video. Go TSLA!!!!
This is what we need here in Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 our energy plant are falling apart hope they can come and help this tiny Island 🌴 we will not be able to hold other strom
Vote out democrats and your island will thrive
Being of age and how to manage the sequence of returns in those early periods is what seems quite scary in the current market. The market is never a loser in a twenty year cycle, but the 2000s decade scenario scares me and could really disrupt my retirement. When you are no longer accumulating but withdrawing its hard to be anything but cautious.
Consumers are going to end up with power controls that cut power to unnecessary things when power costs are high. But things like freezers and some lights will still get power. Their power meters are going to watch the market and Bill the consumers more for peak power times; and less for off-peak power times. I see a lot of smart appliances that can be programmed to only run at off-peak power times - like washers and dryers. They may even be programmed to know the cost of power at any time during the day.
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"Doug Ford is also a bit of an idiot" - I almost choked! LOL
I live in Houston area, the electric service is awful in Texas! We lose power often. Would love to buy directly from Tesla, cut the red tape!
the sqr ft of the giga pack area assumes that you are not stacking these. Can you imagine then if instead if they were stacked or maybe housed in a rough building vertically. you could shrink the area needed for them alot.
What will this mean if one pack has a fire event?
Is it worthwhile now to retro fit solar panels to a building already built ? in other words is it cost effective if you are only using around 3 kw hours a day ?
I can see more potential for individual companies to install their own small-scale megapack than a city wide installation. When most countries going green that demand is going skyrocketing.
Doubt a city would go fully on Megapack battery; however, peak shaving will be in common use throughout California and American SW
Once the Tesla 4680 LFPs production is ramped .....both divisions will grow like crazy.
Nope, raw materials will still not be enough, they can use catl prismatic cells which are way easier to produce than the 4680
Shall we call it GIGA Canada, GIGA Ontario or... GIGA Toronto!? $TSLA
just saw 3 installed this week near me.
one question is can one get a pack to power a mini esatate (8homes) 24/7 all year round ?
Megapack would probably be overkill for 8 homes, but Tesla does have powerpacks for home use that might be better fit
Love Tesla, want solar for my house + powerwalls. I still think we need nuclear.
I think nuclear has a future in the arsenal of energy as scientists and engineers develop ways to make it more safe.
@@paullee9982 Yeah. It seems that part of the challenge is that you have to supply electrical power to cover peak, rather than average power draw. Going home and plugging in a Tesla for a slow charge is the equivalent (I think it draws 1500 watts) of turning on 15 old style 100 watt lights plus air conditioning and (in the case of municipalities that now require new homes to be all electric) stoves/ovens, lights, etc. All while reducing output while shutting down electrical generating capability. I think California's decommissioning of Diablo will take close to 10% of their electricity off line - in a state that already has rolling blackouts! France gets 70% of their power from nuclear.
Fusion will change everything!
Fission is awful since the waste it creates.
@@paulas_lens But it is always 10 years away!
Once Giga Austin has the 4680 cell manufacturing in, it will have significant energy storage. When the batteries are manufactured they are cycled multiple times. Tesla will discharge the cells to power new cells to minimize wasted electricity. I think that if there is another outage, this huge supply of stored energy would be used to be pumped back into the grid. They will use Autobidder to minimize their costs to charge and maximize their profitability on discharge. They really don't need to add much additional storage
This for San Francisco and California is a moot point as people are now living on the streets there and the west coast has more or less given up funding the police there!
My concern for batteries as a storage medium for the grid (solar, wind or otherwise) is the fast drop in efficiency over time and short life span of lithium ion batteries.
Has this issue been assessed, what efficiency drops and life span can be currently expected?
LFP will disagree.
NMC is good for 80% for 20 years. LFP is closer to 30 years. I believe utilities will keep milking them and augmenting capacity for much longer.
I work in Lathrop. They want to 3x that current place
Imagine hundreds of billions of clean energy sources. All running themselves and feeding the power grid.😎🎮🌎
any update on this after removal from S&P500 index?
My electric bill is 17mwh per year. 2600sqft house 2 electric cars. So I would need 6 mega packs to hold the energy I use in an entire year.
What? 6 Megapacks would be able to provide 18MW's per hr would it not? Why would you need 18MW's per hr when your house and cars only consume 17 MW's per year?
You are confusing MW and MWh. MW is instantaneous power. MWh is total amount of electricity used over time. Over a 12 month period I use a total of 17MWh. My instantaneous peak usage is 29Kw.
Yep, but why on earth would you buy enough battery storage for one year when 3 day’s worth would be plenty? You would only need about 140 kWh of batteries for that. What’s more, your cars’ battery packs can offset the need for stationary storage considerably.
What are we going to do with all the ice vehicles? Reduce them?
8:09 That is no the new 4680 battery pack.
liquid lithium ion battery packs, wow it feels like the 90's all over again. Really living in the past with this.
does anyone knows when tesla will start selling electricity in Texas? and where do we buy it?
You are incorrect on the math of the gigawatt footprint. 42000 sqft is a little less than one acre. Times 2.5 is about 2.5 acres.
Tesla writes in the Brooklyn Eagle newspaper on July 10th 1932: "I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused them to operate a motive device... More than 25 years ago I began my efforts to harness the cosmic rays and I can now state that I have succeeded in operating a motive device by means of them. I will tell you in the most general way, the cosmic ray ionizes the air, setting free many charges ions and electrons. These charges are captured in a condenser which is made to discharge through the circuit of the motor. I have hopes of building my motor on a large scale, but circumstances have not been favorable to carrying out my plan".
Wait....can we use Tesla's auto bidder on Tesla stock??
Very good content on Tesla energy production. Thanks
Tesla's solar and energy divisions have been fairly disappointing over the last couple of years. Would love to see some action there.
Akio Toyoda believes he - "Only I can do it!" - has the power to determine customers' wants. HE doesn't want customers to have EVs. HE could do that - if Toyota was the only car company. Toyoda is one small man. "The market" will write the history of his hubris.
In my opinion it's all about lithium hydroxide. I don't hear it discussed often that Tesla is building a lithium hydroxide refinery at giga texas. They will be purchasing the raw material ( spodumene concentrate) directly from Piedmont Lithium in North Carolina (and their partners in northern Canada). Piedmont will also refine and sell their own lithium hydroxide and together Tesla and Piedmont will basically be the only two domestic suppliers of the battery chemical. I also think the proximity of Ford's $11 billion battery production facilities to Piedmont is no coincidence.
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Your area calculations are off by several orders of magnitude! A Megapack is 7.14m x 1.6m = 11.42 m². 325 x 11.42m² = 3711.5m². 3711.5m² x 2.5 ≈ 9200m². 1km² = 1000000m², so 100 times as much! Also, 20 sq.miles is 82km², not 32km², so that's another factor ~3 out!
Was just about to post this. That's enough of an error that I'd pull this video and fix it, if it were up to me.
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To put it into perspective this battery would power a container ship for 1hr. Yes just 1hr!
My guess is that Canadian facilities will make high output equipment and test batteries. While running test lines, they will send batteries to other factories.
The Premier can sit and spin, though a broken clock is accurate at least twice a day~
It seems like whoever can get to fully renewable energy first will be the next powerhouse lol no pun intended
Interesting
SPACE X AND TESLA are diversified to the max. Any one of the companies can be leveraged if need be. Half of my home power is solar. 10KW of battery. NOT his. .. I use chines LIFEPO4 cells.
3:01 20 square miles is one-half of the land area of San Francisco -- just for storage batteries. Please fix your arithmetic. Please look-up how to convert square feet to square miles. (You divide by 5280 squared -- that's why it is called a square foot.) So you need about 2.5 acres for the batteries. You still need a huge solar farm to generate that electricity. (This info is already stated by Roger DeBats in a previous comment). Further, you must put about 125 watt-hours of energy in order to get 100 watt-hours back. So increase your solar farm by 25%.
TLDR: buy as much TSLA stock as you can now because in 5-10years time, it'll be bigger than google or apple.
CANIDA is a major major mining location of Lithium.
ok canadian guy 😂😂
just kidding the video was great :)
This business is going to be huge
Tesla is going to dominate the energy space like no one has ever done before
In your dreams LOL.....
Wish you a long life so that you see this come true in your lifetime
its all good,
The flickering squares in the red background are bit disturbing.
Dam that is eee ya
What does that mean?
@@handijobe1076 haha ikr
I am very surprised that both Tesla and Panasonic were waiting that long to introduce bigger battery since it makes way more sense on both economy or scope and economy of scale to have a bigger battery at the first place.
Secondly, it makes no sense to import battery cells from China while we have much cheaper and much closer labor force right next door in South America…
Nice #GrantCardone reference
So how well did this age?
Not enough batteries - repost in 4 years.
Im surprised Tesla hasn't come up with a completely different battery for this purpose.
Nano One Materials corp with their cathode materials technology is right in the middle of this
Great video apart from the gimicky flickering images drives me nuts sorry
Megapacks are mostly good to cover peakusage really. For slow discharge there are far better and cheaper alternatives, lifepo4's, as they were known for ages before the namechange🤣, are still batteries that polute on production and at the end of their life. They are also still vulnerable to temperaturechanges, less than nickel manganese but still, so a country like Canada wouldn't benefit much of megapacks.
Everything pollutes.
It is just a matter of how much pollution over their lifetime, carbon footprint and sustainability.
Battery materials are very recyclable and more economical to do so.
For temperature changes, these packs comes with really efficient thermal management systems.
See how pump does well for new model Ys and 3s range during winter.
Edit: if you are looking down on lithium iron phosphate batteries, new Tesla megapack are to come with Lifepo4.
Tesla is already ordering lots of them from CATL already. They are just cheaper material-wise and have way longer life cycles.
They have solved cold weather issues in China model 3 SR+ model with these heat pumps.
@@josephine2869 not looking down on them.. just saying that there is a litteral plethora of solutions for energystorage that are waaaaaay cheaper and will suffice in most cases. Mechanical batteries, iron-air, molten salt etc. Those usually won't cover peakusage and that is where a megapack can be useful. I do say 'can' because there are still some small scale-options that can do the same thing.
The whole LFP don't work in the cold is such a short sighted and old comment. The only concern is charging them below zero...but...if you have power to charge you have power to heat. I have a 14.4kwh battery in my RV and have zero issues even in cold weather.
@pl m molten salt and mechanical batteries are being used today in a number of cases. Largescale energystorage is a very new problem so for the common idiot it's easy to look at a tesla-battery. You just have to look further than what the popular media tells you
@pl m i am also no advocate of solarpanels as the solution to all of our problems. There is much more energy to be harvested in oceancurrents, tidal waves and wind than we will ever get out of photovoltaic cells. Those max out at 30 percent efficiency theoretically while the majority now hovers around 18. I love Elon for spaceX. His EV's are marvels of engeneering but even Tesla will need to find a way to fix their batteries. It's not the solution they advocate. It will buy us some time until we finally crack nuclear fusion or blow ourselves up trying. Meanwhile small thoriumreactors might do the trick.
Worldwide battery manufacturing definitely hast to continue doubling every year for the next decade
Yep.
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Excellent video… I laughed when you pointed out Doug ford is an idiot. True.
Great episode! Tesla potential in energy buying/selling could easily eclipse all manufacturing by 2030 based on total market size and the huge increase in renewables in the next decade.
Nope, it totally disagree with you, with the huge amount of EVs and trucks and bigger equipments been electrified its going to be a big challenge for everyone including tesla, they haven't even yet deliver a single semi let alone a cybertruck....
Other companies are also working on storage solution for energy.
@@alanmay7929 But they have delivered Model S, Model X, Model 3, Model Y, Powerwalls, Megapacks and Autobidder. And are making 1m cars annually. And growing at least 50% per annum.
Energy will not be a problem in future. I can run a vehicle without fuel electricity etc
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Rock on Musk, Kick ASS !
It is said that all the batteries in the world would provide a few minutes of power, or something like that
SMH They should have been 55GwH cells from CATL. Its so heartbreaking.
And we'd never have to plug into anything ever again.
if deep drilling tests are successful for geothermal energy; then tesla will buy the company or franchise it and hook up energy storage to geothermal plants. tesla will also find the best
alternative energy storage company (vanadium, iron air, aluminum sulfur, or antimony redox), buy and build it.
With such a huge battery shortage, why doesn't Tesla rather use super capacitors? Sure the energy density is less than LiOn... But space is not a problem for grid storage? 🤔
I would challenge Tesla do the entire country I see we will have messages outages coming soon
If tesla motors is very big imagine tesla energy how huge l think in big
Numbers never see before .
take over like their solar tiles XD