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So I was getting a little fed up with my crunchy knees after ACL surgery, so I decided to start the Knees Over Toes Guy program (Knee Ability Zero).
I'm about 21 months post-op from my ACL reconstruction in May of 2020, and I've noticed that my knee still isn't quite where I want it to be. It still buckles back from time to time and feels a little "pinchy" at various moments, so I just wanted to be proactive and start a program to really make sure my knees are bulletproof for life so I can keep playing volleyball and doing other sports that I love.
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I tried a ton of this guys stuff. Sled, split squat, tib raises, and others. I’m 42, have a lot of miles and games on my knees. My knees are better now than at 30. No question.
Hell yeah
Knees over toes not only saved my life but it also changed it. No clue what I would do without it
Hey, that's so awesome. For someone genuinely curious and interest, would you mind answering how knees over toes helped you? Like what were your issues beforehand and so on. Hope you're doing well!
Knees over toes changed my life. Currently have no pain for the first time in years. ATG covers much more than knees👍
Right?!? My shoulders feel incredible too!
@@VictoriaDorsano wait what ? what about the shoulders? i need that!
@@letsgoletsgoletsgoletsgoletsgo The ATG program works on a lot of shoulder mobility & strength too! I had a bad shoulder from volleyball and it's never felt better since doing the program!
Hear here. Best pt on TH-cam saved my life. Depression from my knee was going to kill me
So glad to hear it helped!
I found the knees over toes guy in 2021. Now, my legs are super strong....lol I'm 70 years old and do crossfit.
Wow, that’s amazing!!! How were your knees before the program?
Mama he was around 70 so don’t you think his knees were somewhat bad
Not necessarily. Not everyone has bad knees as they age.
Mostly everyone
@@amrsi7886 Sure. Not everyone though. Which is why I asked him. Everyone is an individual with unique circumstances. I always treat anyone I am talking to that way so I don't assume.
Just found KOT guy 3 weeks ago. I’m 55 had acl surgery 35 years ago. I needed help so bad and I think I’ve found it! 3 weeks later I’m feeling tremendously better and stronger.
Ahh so happy to hear that! Game changer
Well, I did knees over toes, and it saved my life. Doesn't seem like you're just giving an update about yourself at all. You're definitely mentioning other people. People appreciate honesty above all. I know you kind of said a few good things in your video, but the teaser is kind of a slap in the face, and you sure take your time getting there
I had a catastrophic parachute landing injury in 2012. Broke my neck, back, collarbones and lost mobility from head to toe. I developed my own rehab system using loaded stretches, knees over toes training, and calisthenics. Ended up being stronger than before the accident and finished another 9 years of service without even getting on profile! Cool to see this kind of program went mainstream.
One week of KOT fixed my many years long hip pain in 1 week! Now been pain free for 3 yrs. Hasn't fixed all my problems but definitely helped!!
clickbait thumbnail >:( no respect
Sorry you feel that way.
So egregious. She has one video that just presents his idea as somewhat her own, then at least two negative clickbait’s about it
@@VictoriaDorsanonot how he feels you just lack the ability to create a thumbnail that could attract views 😂😢
Thought my military career was over at the age of 27. Stumbled acorss Ben and have been religiously doing the program for 6 months. I feel so free and unshackled and am back to being the fasest in the sqaudron
Not telling people the right way to recover is a crime against humanity and puts money in the pockets of gym franchises.
Kneesovertoes started a movement.
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TRUTH movement
I have just read a few of tbe very inspirational comments here.
I overworked my left knee a few days ago and I have been hopping around on my right leg for the last couple of days.
Saw a doctor today and hopefully the inflammation will start to recede.
Heard about the knee over toes guy today and I will be a convert as soon as I can tolerate movement in my knees.😅
Thank you all fir your helpful comments.
I walk to work 3 hours there and 3 hours back 6 days a week so my calves, feet, knees, thighs, and back hurts really bad by the end of the day. Some days I couldn’t walk and I would have to call in or get someone to give me a ride. Anyway I started doing his exercises and my pains vaporized within a few weeks. Now I have absolutely no problems walking to work.
It’s amazing right?! Happy you’re feeling better!!
You could probably run to work in half the time!
Maybe get a bike?
I just walked backwards for 10 minutes and I'm in a little pain now.
6 hours walking every day? Find a new job!
I just turned 65 and last summer my left knee buckled, dislocated tore the meniscus and I'm told the pull on the meniscus cracked the tibia. Hurt like crazy. Took about 4 months before it stopped hurting 24/7. During the time i guess i favored my right leg because i seriously worried my left knee would buckle again.
That's probably why about 5 months after the original injury my right knee buckled. But near as severely but i still have pain in that knee. I don't go out now without some kind of knee support on because i fear a repeat. But i also found the knees over toes guy and am determined to build my knees back up so i can stop worrying about it and get back to being pretty fit for an old guy.
Good for you for staying determined!! Sounds like you’re focused on healing and I’m sure you’ll get there soon!
how did it turn out sofar?
@@badboy95ca I've not had any knee problems or pain since so i guess good. I admit i haven't been consistent with it since i regained knee flexibility. I can sit on my heels now which i thought would never happen again.
Knees over toes split squat stopped my knee pain and improved my squat depth. My back pain is much less also and this is only 2 months. I started on a high chair, now I just use 4 plates in the ground.
My neighbour's foot has screws in it and she is fat as hell. After 3 weeks she has more mobility, almost no pain and she can walk up the stairs without holding onto the wall. Knees over toes is the truth
Truly incredible, isn’t it!?
@@VictoriaDorsano i had gotten injured from over training many many years ago, the knee pain never really went away, when i tried to play basketball, it was only a matter of time before the pain came. I'm still in awe, that i found knees over toes last year, and that it helped me so much.
KOT guy is my hero! I'm living proof of his method!!!
Right?!? I feel the same!
@@VictoriaDorsano just subscribed to ur channel. Thank you for bringing great content and value to us!
I appreciate your support! Thank you so much!
I am 54 and recently tore the ACL in my "good" knee skiing. I had ACL surgery on left knee 24 years ago. When I had my first ACL rupture the pain was incredible! I remember the recovery process took a full year. I really didn't have that much pain this time which was so weird so I was convinced I didn't tear it. Not even any swelling. Well I did rupture it and now I am facing the prospect of having another ACL surgery and frankly I can't even comprehend it! I found your page after someone recommended the toes over knee guy for rehab. If I can strengthen my knees through this program I might not do the ACL repair. ACL injuries are such a long recovery process, not to mention you can develop osteo arthritis from the trauma of the injury and the surgery. I am excited to try the program and see if I can improve my knee health. Good luck to you!
So sorry to hear about your recent tear! But I’m also really glad to hear that it wasn’t as painful because, phew, I had pain on my ACL rupture like your first one and it was awful!!
I’m excited that you found the knees over toes program and can’t wait to hear your progress too! Feel free to follow me on Instagram @victoria_dorsano. Would love to check in with you and hear about your results as you go!
Let me know how you recover? I am trying to recover without ACL surgery as well. I did have to have scope surgery to “clean my knee out’’ I am now in a aggressive Therapy program. 6 weeks post op and Started therapy 3 1/2 weeks ago. If my knee still feels unstable 3 to 6 months from now I will go in for reconstructive surgery. I’ve only had one instability issue and that was a hyper extensive issue which was pretty scary.
@@smartgurl4757 I think that this is a great strategy! I'm a huge fan of trying to see how the knee feels first without reconstruction and going from there.
You can actually m3ssagr the knee over toes guy
my non-advice is get it fixed. but it certainly can't hurt doing ATG for a few months first - if anything, when / if you choose the surgery, you'll be that much stronger and won't atrophy as much.
I'm 55 had 3 knees surgeries (ACL, ACL, Miniscus) all on left knee. I'm doing ATG now about a year and knees are stronger than ever.
good luck man
A bit tangential: when you say it's not where you want it to be, what I like to say instead is that it is making good progress and so I can keep going or if I'm not satisfied look for things to accelerate the progress. I like the latter more as it motivates to keep going, with the former, demotivating.
Great point!
@@VictoriaDorsano Thank you! Have a wonderful day!
Looking forward to hearing your outcome down the road, as this may be something I could recommend to patients after therapy. Keep us posted and great job on your videos.
Absolutely! I plan on doing another update video this week!
Just as others have commented, KneesOverToes changed my life too. I had FAI hip surgery in 2018 and was also headed for back surgery with a herniated disc. I had virtually no mobility in my hips and back. I started doing his workouts in late June of 2021 and one year later I am dunking a basketball again, wake up pain free and can play with my kids without having to take a break to stretch. I turn 39 soon, but I can keep up with the 20 year olds on the court. Ben Patrick’s philosophy and workouts work!
That’s AMAZING!!! Love hearing stories like this!!! 🙌🏽
Has anyone done this looking for better flexion? I'm 26 and I had ACL surgery about 11 months ago and have failed to get my knee flexion back :/ I don't have much pain, my biggest concern is being able to fully flex my knee again. Has anyone been able to receive this benefit from this program? It's negatively effecting my life in such big and unexpected ways and it's SO upsetting. I can't properly squat to lift anything, I'm scared to do anything that might cause me to fall and bend my leg too much like hiking, sledding, rough housing, walking through the mud even. If I had to jump from a window to save my life I couldn't do it without reinjuring my leg and that as weird as that sounds it's upsetting to think I'm not even capable of basic physical survival needs at the age of 26 just because my knee won't bend and it makes me so mad to think about...has anyone noticed better flexion from any of his programs? Is 11 months post op too late to regain flexion?
Definitely not too late to work to regain flexion! This program may certainly be able to help. Id' also recommend joining the ACL community put together by my Physical Therapist friend. He has a lot of exercise recommendations in the group for helping with flexion: tinyurl.com/drkero
So the title should be "We've all been lied to for years...."
Solid suggestion! I'll give it a try to A/B test the thumbnail performance. Appreciate you!
Yea the thumbnail is kinda a clickbait. Great video other then that
good stuff Victoria. I like rhe thumbnail - clever ;) I've been doing ATG regularly last few months and it's great !!! keep going
So glad you’ve been liking it!
Can anyone with cartilage damage attest to knees over toes guy exercises? Does it help?
Now that this video is a year old, I am wondering did you continue doing ATG workouts? How are your knees feeling now?
I do still do them! My knees feel the best they ever have.
I coach gymnastics and use his program on my athletes
It’s honestly amazing.
Thanks for sharing. I enrolled on his program too, but sad to say it didn't help. I was on for 2 months, and just did it myself after that. I pretty much memorize the program. That was a year ago. My knees are still hurting. Just had fluid drained at the back of my knee last May ('23). Seeing my PT and doing what I can for both of my knees now. I bought hsi book too :(
I'm so sorry to hear it didn't work out for you. Did your docs ever find exactly what was going on with your knees?
Were you having pain while doing any of the exercises? If so, you needed to regress to the minimal movements.... pain free.
Where did you learn how to edit your videos? The quality is really good. Also, what camera are you using?
Canon C70!
I don’t edit all the videos myself. Thankfully I have a few editors that help me out! But I edit a few on my own occasionally and I just learned from watching various tutorials online!
Hi Victoria, thanks for the review! I'm YEARS post ACL/meniscus repair, and there's still some noise that's like rubbing against plastic when I squat. Recently I re-tear my meniscus, and started watching your video and practicing ATG program. I found them really helpful and now I'm pain free again. However, do you ever have to deal with the noise in your joint? Do they ever go away as you make progress with the ATG program? Thanks
The noise is still there and most likely will always be for me! It hasn't changed at all - but there's no pain so I'm not worried :)
I need a shoulders over elbows guy
It works your shoulders too! It’s a full body program
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Knees over toes guy is the best
He is!
when do you recommend doing the knees over toes program. I plan on having ACL surgery in October and want to start rehab imidienetly.Woudl you recommend waiting a few weeks or months? Also thanks for making such great videos, they have been very educational and i've learned a lot as I prepare for my journey myself.
Glad to hear that my videos have helped! I'd check in with your PT after you start with them on the exact timeline, but most of the Knee Ability Zero program should be able to be incorporated within 1.5-2 months post-op. Always check with your PT first :)
How long did you have pain in your knees after starting KOT? I’m almost two weeks in and still have knee pain.
It can take time! Different amount of time for different people. Are you getting the coaching through their app?
@@VictoriaDorsano No, I have just watched a lot of videos over the knee ability zero and have just done it myself to save some money. I've just modeled my form with how Ben or others are doing it. Just wasn't sure how long the pain hangs around. I can tell my legs are stronger and more flexible, but there is still knee pain when I bend
I signed up yesterday and did the first "Zero" workout. I'm 48 with relatively good knees, but I've got a little patello-femoral pain on the left side from Jiu Jitsu. I'm a short, thick guy (5'7", 230 lbs, with about 14% body fat) so I'm not really built for what I affectionately call "skinny bitch" moves.
I tweaked my knee trying to develop my wrestling step-through (some call it the "wrestler's shot") and my knees just DO NOT like it. My hips are wide and very open and the internal rotation doesn't agree with me at all.
So, I'm diving headlong into this. Yesterday's first workout felt REALLY good. I could feel lots of small muscles engaging in ways that I haven't before, and I've worked out most of my life. Specifically I could feel my TFLs stretch and engage in ways that I can't even when I'm trying, and that was wild.
Looking forward to seeing where this goes. My hubby is 74 and has had both knees replaced so - if it goes well - I'll try to talk him into giving it a shot. Thank you for your channel and keep up the good content!
It really does work the body in some amazing ways. Glad to hear you got started! Wishing you the best on your journey 🙌🏽
@@VictoriaDorsano Thanks, Victoria! Hope your knees are happy and strong!
definitely do that backward sledding.. i use the a dead treadmill. there is a reason BP does this 6 times a week !!
in fact, I'm gonna go sled right now
How are you 5'7 and 230 lbs at 14 percent body fat.. I
That's cap bro.
But foreal, the weight is probably hurting your knees a little bit. I was about 5'8 and 220, and I dropped to 200. It's a big difference man
195 is my optimimum weight as far as fitness, look and feel for my body.
Eyyy I hurt my knee from bjj too! Some dude took me down hard - excessively. And I slammed into my right knee and now the left side gets inflamed. I can walk jump and move. But the running motion can hurt. I know it’s tissue that is hurt. I’m 5 4 and weight 120. This dude was taller than me. That is what I get with practicing with someone a little newer than me. Never again.
Knees over toes rules
I don’t even have knee problems but nothing wrong in strength Ing them to prevent injury. My wife actually has knee problems and won’t give the program a try. How can I convince her that it works?
Can I ask why she’s not open to trying it??
I need help with the cracking crunching sounds my knee makes...it's awful
I feeeeel you! Are you doing the program?
@@VictoriaDorsano which program, as I'm pushing 60 n need some pointers. Thanks
Knees over toes program aka The ATG program 🤩
Were you able to fix the pinching feeling at full extension? If so, how'd you do it?
Yes! Eventually I did! But whenever I overdo it, it can come back. So I just make sure to progressively load instead of overload too fast.
But to fix the pinching initially, I had to ice and rest it. Sometimes would take some ibuprofen to help with the inflammation. Usually by 3-4 days of resting, icing and reducing the inflammation, it would be back to normal.
Athlean-X has been saying the same stuff for over a decade but I guess this guy got the brand name that attracts people looking for that info.
I love Athlean-X as well! But you’re so right. The brand name was key for Ben Patrick.
@RmnGnzlz I don't think that's an accurate statement. I use both Athlean-X and Knees over toes info. They are not the same. Their approaches are different, but equally important. Thanks.
Does the program work your entire body or just your legs?
Your entire body!
one more question. would this program help with tight hip flexors?
10000000% would help. Lots of the movements work the mobility of the hip flexors!
Did the program help with the crackling you mentioned? I have been having that and would like to find a fix.
No resolution to the crackling. 😒
You make great content keep being consistent and I’m sure you will make allot of progress
Thank you!! I appreciate that 🙏🏻
@@VictoriaDorsano Ofc! Btw I’ve been doing kneesovertoes for 3 months now and this is what I’ve been doing from watching Joe rogans podcast with Ben Patrick and writing down notes:
MONDAY-THURSDAY= LEG DAYS
TUESDAY-FRIDAY= UPPER BODY DAYS
WEDNESDAY-WEEKENDS= FLEXIBILITY
The rouge dog sled(walking backwards loaded)
Slant board(kneesovertoes)
Reverse squat strap(for lower abs and hip flexor 50% of my body weight for 20 reps)
Olympic weightlifting shoes(for ATG splits squat 10 reps on each leg)
Nordics(5sets of 5 in 5 minutes. Interval timer)
Tuesdays and Fridays!
Jefferson curls 3X8
Also for upper body days I focus on shoulder mobility and exercises for the lower back
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@@VictoriaDorsano I recommend doing some of this guys exercises and mainly the stretches th-cam.com/video/lDrebo7qweY/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for sharing. I tored my Acl on my left as well.But kneeovertoes, it really helped me, though 😅. I DOING Jiu-jitsu my knee always hurt I'm just turned30 lol.Hopefully not going down hill from here 😢
So glad it has helped you!
it's all downhill, buddy. just kidding!! glad you are doing ATG stuff keep going!!
@@wbotti 😆 💪 💪 💪
All of your issues are a product of imbalance issues of strength, stability and mobility looking forward to your success
Certainly was! - and now I feel I have a much better balance of those things since doing the program!
Victoria: it was your husband's brother that introduced you to it?
Correct!
Where do I start if I have bad pain I am afraid to do anything
Backwards sled pull is the best way to start! Or just walking backwards
how often is the program done? do you do any other workouts
I'll be releasing another video this weekend going over all of that! But each program is done for a different set of days. Zero is usually 3 days lower body, 2 upper. ATG is 4 days of a blend. Dense is 4 days as well. Sometimes I'll add in my own jump training and cardio on top of the ATG training.
I tore my ACL do i need surgery or i can wait and then start Knee over toes program?
You don’t have to get surgery if you don’t want to. You could always wait, try knees over toes program to see if it feels more stable, and then decide from there!
@@VictoriaDorsano thank you so much for the answer. Based on your experience how much time from the injury since I can start walking backwards slowly and then gradually start with the Zero program?
You could probably start doing the backwards sled walking as soon as some of the swelling subsides a bit. Then gradually move into the program from there
How's your diet?
Most people overlook that.
I eat really well! I prioritize my protein, greens, berries and whole grains. That’s something I’ve always been really good with.
@@VictoriaDorsano You might want to eliminate the grains, all of which are inflammatory. Do some research if you haven't already. It could make a huge difference.
Also, vegetables contain harmful oxalates. You could try a restrictive elimination diet and see how you feel, slowly adding items back one at a time. Good luck!
@@TerriblePerfection Thanks for the suggestions! Those are some interesting points. I've done a genetic profile and inflammatory marker profile with several docs and allergists and grains have never come back as inflammatory for my body and my DNA. Inflammation caused by grains can be highly individual and does not apply to everybody. What can cause inflammatory markers to show in one person can be considerably different than others from a nutritional standpoint and considering if there are any gene polymorphisms. I've had the best success with a well balanced macro profile with a diversity of veggies (both low oxalate and high oxalate veggies), grains and proteins. With that being said, I'd love to see some of the research you are reading on inflammation with grains as well as veggies and their harmful qualities...Although I've done my research, there are always areas I'm open to diving into further and learning more about from others. I certainly don't know it all and never will as nutrition science changes constantly!
@@VictoriaDorsano Yes, it's very confusing, with a lot of contradictory information. The bottom line for me now is self-experimentation. I don't care about peer-reviewed studies or someone's credentials anymore. I have had to unlearn so many myths and lies, from the danger of eggs to the danger of meat and fat, both of which I clearly thrive on. In any case, I hope your healing continues! 🌿
@@TerriblePerfection I LOVE that you are exploring what feels good for your body. That's so important! And thank you. Best of luck in your self-experimentation!
I have gone many treatments for my leg, back, neck pain. Surgery may not be beneficial in my case.
In here (kerala) no even physiotherapy works on me (only to me).
So past year i started to mix both kneeovertoeguy, squatuniversity exercises
Right now i have less pain.
I keep periodising then they not working.
What is A C L ?
Anterior Cruciate Ligament
What’s the name of the shoes you using
Xero Prio shoes. I did a whole video on them. They are amazing. You can find them here. xeroshoes.com/go/victoria_dorsano
@@VictoriaDorsano thank you they look amazing I will definitely buy some pairs and happy for you by improving your lifestyle let’s stay fit
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Pants on fire
hey Victoria, what's your review of the knee over toes program 2 more days later?
I'm still really enjoying the program and have already noticed a lot more strength in my quads. The program is really well put together with some great exercises, some mobility work, and access to form coaching through their app. Great experience so far. Knee feels great and all the supporting muscles are definitely getting a great workout.
@@VictoriaDorsano I'll definitely have to check it out down the road then for sure
@@The_OG_Aaron I've been doing the program for a month. Rewind to the begining....For ten years I've suffered INCREDIBLY painful patellar tendonitis in both knees which in turn, developed Baker cysts with a while new set of problems and pains. I was a semi pro basketball player with thousands of hours of jumping and overuse. I gave up basketball, golf, hiking and almost went on disability full-time as a result of the debilitating pain in both knees. After one month of doing Ben's knees over toes workouts, I feel like a completely different person and have resumed training to play basketball with a goal of dunking again at the age of 50!. At first I was only hoping to walk up and down stairs, take small walks and do small tasks without pain. Now, after a month, the sky is the limit.
This makes me SO excited!!!! What amazing results. It’s truly an incredible program.
Have you been doing knee ability zero or the ATG standards program?
A fraudulent headline for stealing attention for sure, shameful !
Hey Eric! I’m not a fan of shaming others on the internet, but I’m certainly bummed you see it that way. I’m not sure how you see the “headline” (assuming you mean the thumbnail) as fraudulent. I’m referencing the fact that I’ve been lied to about how knees over toes training was classified as “bad” for athletes, and how many athletes, like myself, had been lied to about knees over toes training. I explain this more in the video if you decide to watch it. Anyways, have a wonderful day!
@@VictoriaDorsano yeah after watching your video I could see what you were referring to, but your thumbnail ( on purpose ) makes it appear that the Knees over Toes guy was lying, and you know it, what next for attention and likes, you in a thumbnail in pants and bra ?
First off, If I was slandering Ben Patrick, that would be one thing. But because this thumbnail captured so much attention, there have been so many people that have now learned about and purchased his program (which I do not benefit from that when anyone purchases his online program). Ben directly benefits from a thumbnail that gets people to click and learn about the program. I don’t feel bad about making him money and helping people find a way to feel better in their physical health.
But secondly, you have no idea what I did on purpose or not. Your interpretation may not even be close to what my intention was. You can’t assume anyone’s actions as being “on purpose” unless they say that.
And thirdly, pants and a bra? Sir, If you think that little of me, I’d recommend not even wasting your time on your next comment here.
@@VictoriaDorsano I never accused you of slandering anyone, but I do accuse you of using Ben and Ben’s popularity to gain views on your videos.
Even if that was my intention to “use his name and his popularity”, why is that a bad thing if the views mean that Ben directly benefits from it by having more people hear about his wonderful program and purchase it, and if more people end up living pain free because of discovering the program? Again, I’m a huge fan of his, and he’s shared my videos before to his channels.
But secondly, the entire purpose of TH-cam is posting video content for people to view. People don’t post content hoping they don’t get views. So of course, any video, with any thumbnail, is posted with the hope of getting views. Otherwise, why would anyone post anything as a public channel?
Absolute deceptive click bait title for the sake of views.
Pathetic.
sorry you feel that way. Hope you have a great day my friend.
Where is the lie? Cause there was no clear answer for me on that.
The lie was that traditional advice of keeping your knees behind your toes is invalid and Ben Patrick challenges that with his KOT programs.
Damn no wonder you have no views on any other videos.
The titles are too honest.
😂
So where’s the lie?
The lie is that we have been told by so many other fitness professionals of the past that "you can't train with your knees over your toes" or else it will hurt your joints. But thankfully, Ben is breaking that pattern and sharing some great information about knees over toes training.
I'm in my late 30s during the pandemic my body was breaking down big time my knees I was super depressed I couldn't sleep I gained lots of weight and I saw this crazy knees over toes Guy rambling like a mad scientist 🥼 I was so desperate I bought a slant board and I never looked back i feel so much better this guy is the truth I will not tolerate any knees over toes guy disrespect
Knee strengthening does serve a purpose babe😊
You got that right!