Great as always! One of the biggest things that helps with home recording of drums is having dark cymbals! Once I switched to meinl sand/traditional they helped so much. I played Zildjian k darks, A's, and other ones from them and they're just too bright unless you have a really great and well treated room. Hope this helps 🤘
Yep, the Meinl Darks and Zildjian Dark Ks are the only way to go. Not saying those other cymbals are all not good. Just that these 2 are the most popular go to cymbals that don't suck!
@@assshakerstudios549 right said! I'm learning to love my Dark K hihats... very complex and quirky, but never gnarly. Like Ant Call said, much easier to make dark cymbals brighter :)
K Darks were a game-changer for me, though I just bought an Uptown A ride I have high hopes for, being the rebrand of the Remix ride Phil Selway from Radiohead uses. Dark/Dry cymbals just give you so much room to work with! I also generally use ribbons for OHs, which also helps. It will tame even a cymbal bashing drummer as you can compress and high shelf a bit more to bring out complexity without smothering a mix with cymbal wash.
Awesome! I would love to see both a video of how he could improve tracking and the difference when recording in a proper studio. It would be a great 2 parter!
Wow, really nice open voicings/Metheny vibe! Jeremy! thanks for sharing this... I'm sure you weighed all your options when mixing. Keeping the explosive energy of drums without letting them totally eclipse the sweet guitar and keyboards is a very good trick ;)
Looking forward to seeing your redone studio in person! If you did this with the relative junk I have, I can't wait to hear it with professional equipment!
HI ! I want to hear a studio version for sure. you have great result here, well played, well tuned drums simply make the cut. I found them to be a bit mid range heavy around 400, toms and floor but thats defiantly usable and a mixing decision after that. always like your videos ! have a great day
i just had to pause the video long enough to say God bless you for NOT using samples, i often feel like i am alone with the desire to just do the best job you can capturing the source you have. now back to the video
Definitely interested in getting good drum recordings at home. 🙏🏼 I have a pretty decent setup and get great sounds already BUT I'm sure I would def learn from you guys.
Really love this, thanks! All my latest recordings have been done like this (everyone knows why). My friend Johnny records his drums at his house in Toronto and I record and mix everything else here in Ireland! Salutations from astonishingly windy and still sorta weirdly not back to normal Kinsale! ☘️☮️🤘🏽🤠👍🏽☮️☘️
I like to watch videos like this about recording in small spaces because I run my studio out of my finished garage, and needless to say, I have very little room where I track drums. It’s treated well, and quite controlled, but I have always struggled whenever a drummer comes in and has no dynamics and smashes the hell out of everything. So the number one take away from all of this for Young drummers is learn how to drum with control. Your recordings will come out better and your recording engineer/producer will thank you for it. 😊
Ok first off, the mix is INCREDIBLE!! Wow, seriously I keep replaying this song over and over. Second, what synth is that at the 2:43 mark? I love that lead synth type sound. Thank you -Jay
Great video! Just a hunch, but I would guess stuff sounded "dark" because Jon has that foam paneling up. So it's probably sucked that top end out of the room
I imagine its because there wasn't also low end absorption. Normally studios using broad band absorption would still have that top end getting sucked out.... so its probably many factors at play.
Hey Jeremy, you’re onto something with your stems for sale… could you do another pack with vocals and also include the mix you’d do with it. I’d then tinker around trying to start from the raw recordings and match what you got. No need for top notch vocals either, the truth is none of us gets to work with Céline and Bocelli. If a whole song is too much work, how about a jingle for your channel?
I watch pretty much all your videos, so I'll watch you mix this with stock plugins and I'll watch if you bring him into the studio. The song was cool. I was actually expecting a heavier rock type thing at the start. Maybe add in some of those vocals from your one mic series. Haha. what was it, "I need one Just one."
@@RecordingStudioLoser Nice!! Hopefully gonna catch them in Brooklyn in February. I realized the other day, that album is what I listen to every time I fly haha
I’ve been recording pro drums at home for 10 years using decent mics, great drums and a cheap interface. I recently moved to an ekit and it’s a lot easier.
Lovely video, attitude and tune. 👍👍👍 Very true, and yes, the idea and the "work-with-what-you-got" unfussy attitude can & DO work. Sonically, have to say that the toms disappoint (not because of the home recording, but because of the poor state of the drum heads - new ones and/or even more corrective processing needed), and there's a disjointed feeling or awkward relationship between how far/close the snare and the hihat sound, both sticking out a bit - but in a rather unrelated, different way. Oh, and too much Soothe, IMHO, it's already at the point where it can be noticed. Nonetheless, fine job & no bull video!
I have to agree with this. There are diminishing returns when working in a home recording studio but those tom heads just killed the tone. There was a great job done of polishing those turds but different heads would have made a huge difference in the end result. This is no knock on the playing, recording, or mixing. It just goes to show how important it is to get everything right at the source. Resonance matters.
@@RecordingStudioLoser I agree with that. Though I feel the new heads could have balanced out a lot of the problems recording home creates. I could pretty much not care about the small room etc. but whenever the toms came in they were just off. And having worked with those same close mics (and a pair of NT5 as OH) I am aware what they can do. Anyways I appreciate showing that it is possible to record drums really decently at home. Though I feel this is kind of a missed opportunity at the same time as it could have sounded better with an investment of approximately $60 for three tom heads.
Trying to take the engineer seat here. Sometimes we can’t just tell them to go get new heads. Some do. I wanted the focus here to be on what can you do with what you already have. Then anything beyond that gets better. Don’t get me wrong. I’m a big proponent for getting new skins and strings often.
Nice tune, good guitar tone, however when it comes to drums you are competing with a lot of great Drum Vst's and it is that sound most consumers are used to. So when recording drums I recommend using reference tracks just like for any other mixing project. Doesn't mater how good a player is, if they don't have the tones that at least meet consumers expectations it will be difficult to then, exceed those expectations.
I gotta disagree with the premise. Tone, just like music is a matter of taste and opinion… In this instance no VST could offer up ideas and contribute creatively to process it like Jon did. Sure tones could sound better on paper… but it’s hard to mail that human aspect. And it’s for that purpose I think it’s still important to do the best with what you have. Even when recording at home.
@@RecordingStudioLoser Don't get me wrong, I was just coming at it from a commercial point of view. People like all kinds of stuff and people buy all kinds of stuff, but when it comes to making money I like to look at the bell curve and ride that wave at the top. Jimmy Buffet stared out as a country and western singer but found he couldn't make any money at it so he pretty much created his own genera, my point being if you are in it for the money then find out what works for you.
I think humans relate to humanity reflected in art. Either way would rather pursue a career making things I want to listen to not what I Think the masses want. But if we apply the same logic there are virtual version of everything that are sonically perfect. But that’s not the point is it? We all know something that am sound fantastic on it’s own often doesn’t always play well in a mix. Humans… software… it’s not about sonics as much as it is about process and creative flow.
I get so annoyed at the excuse that people use based on this fantasy that great music can only be made with all manner of perfect this, that, and the other. It is utter BS, yet people are so eager to hang onto it to support their fear that they can't do it. Saying it can't be done until you happen to own Abbey Road with Alan Parsons is just avoidance. I do wonder tho if you didn't just have a bit of a leg up in this in that you just so happen to have a good drummer in a nice room with a collection of fancy mics (as you acknowledge) - which ends up feeling like you didn't really prove your point. That said, I think that it is totally possible to make lively & intimate (if not shiny-perfect) records at home with stupid-cheap mics (like the Behringer XM8500) so long as you have passion and avoid being silly about it like lining a room with egg-cartons and buying fancy name things. Simply by knowing your material and delivering it (playing/singing) it with passion (and not AutoTune). :-)
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Great as always! One of the biggest things that helps with home recording of drums is having dark cymbals! Once I switched to meinl sand/traditional they helped so much. I played Zildjian k darks, A's, and other ones from them and they're just too bright unless you have a really great and well treated room. Hope this helps 🤘
I fully support this comment. though, I may be biased...I normally prefer dark cymbals in general haha
@@RecordingStudioLoser much easier to make dark cymbals brighter than trying to fix harsh cymbals 😁🤘 so glad I found this channel it's awesome
Yep, the Meinl Darks and Zildjian Dark Ks are the only way to go. Not saying those other cymbals are all not good. Just that these 2 are the most popular go to cymbals that don't suck!
@@assshakerstudios549 right said! I'm learning to love my Dark K hihats... very complex and quirky, but never gnarly. Like Ant Call said, much easier to make dark cymbals brighter :)
K Darks were a game-changer for me, though I just bought an Uptown A ride I have high hopes for, being the rebrand of the Remix ride Phil Selway from Radiohead uses. Dark/Dry cymbals just give you so much room to work with! I also generally use ribbons for OHs, which also helps. It will tame even a cymbal bashing drummer as you can compress and high shelf a bit more to bring out complexity without smothering a mix with cymbal wash.
Love that blue sky noise banner in the background
I love using Fresh Air just like you did on the drum buss. As long as you don't go too hard with it, it adds a gorgeous clarity!
Totally agree! Its kind of a mind trick that the knobs go so much further... but just a dab will do
Awesome video! And yes. Do all the videos about mixing drums
On it
It was rad seeing you play, sounded good man. :)
Hey, thanks! I appreciate it
Awesome! I would love to see both a video of how he could improve tracking and the difference when recording in a proper studio. It would be a great 2 parter!
We are planning them!
Wow, really nice open voicings/Metheny vibe! Jeremy!
thanks for sharing this... I'm sure you weighed all your options
when mixing. Keeping the explosive energy of drums without letting
them totally eclipse the sweet guitar and keyboards is a very good trick ;)
Looking forward to seeing your redone studio in person! If you did this with the relative junk I have, I can't wait to hear it with professional equipment!
You do not give yourself enough credit sir.
I’m not sure the studio will be much different. We’ll see !!
That is a beautiful chord progression nice work.
Thanks a lot!
Yes! Very interested in getting better results. Currently trying to get my raw drum tracks sounding the best they can with what I have. Thanks!
Stay tuned
HI !
I want to hear a studio version for sure.
you have great result here, well played, well tuned drums simply make the cut.
I found them to be a bit mid range heavy around 400, toms and floor but thats defiantly usable and a mixing decision after that.
always like your videos !
have a great day
I always lean towards tubby Toms. I need to get out of comfort zone and get some higher singing tones.
i just had to pause the video long enough to say God bless you for NOT using samples, i often feel like i am alone with the desire to just do the best job you can capturing the source you have.
now back to the video
Haha. I appreciate that!
Vibey cool music. 👍👍 interesting how less eq you use and soothe does the most eqing. Did you try Gullfoss?
Go for the studio vs home sounds like a great idea!!
I’d love to see comparison with a studio version😁
Great track!
glad you dig it!
Definitely interested in getting good drum recordings at home. 🙏🏼
I have a pretty decent setup and get great sounds already BUT I'm sure I would def learn from you guys.
Alright I think we are going to keep going with these video ideas and see where it lands us
Really love this, thanks! All my latest recordings have been done like this (everyone knows why). My friend Johnny records his drums at his house in Toronto and I record and mix everything else here in Ireland! Salutations from astonishingly windy and still sorta weirdly not back to normal Kinsale! ☘️☮️🤘🏽🤠👍🏽☮️☘️
I like to watch videos like this about recording in small spaces because I run my studio out of my finished garage, and needless to say, I have very little room where I track drums. It’s treated well, and quite controlled, but I have always struggled whenever a drummer comes in and has no dynamics and smashes the hell out of everything. So the number one take away from all of this for Young drummers is learn how to drum with control. Your recordings will come out better and your recording engineer/producer will thank you for it. 😊
Ok first off, the mix is INCREDIBLE!! Wow, seriously I keep replaying this song over and over. Second, what synth is that at the 2:43 mark? I love that lead synth type sound.
Thank you
-Jay
Thanks man! It’s a sound from output arcade. I don’t remember which library but you can’t go wrong with any sounds in there
Great video!
Just a hunch, but I would guess stuff sounded "dark" because Jon has that foam paneling up. So it's probably sucked that top end out of the room
I imagine its because there wasn't also low end absorption. Normally studios using broad band absorption would still have that top end getting sucked out.... so its probably many factors at play.
I've been using a Roland E-Kit with VST drums (Slate, Toontrack etc.) with excellent results. Hard to beat (no pun intended) for home use!
Superior drummer 3 has some amazing tones.
I’m a big fan of Neutron. It is my go to channel strip plug in, because it has some many different modules, and they all sound great!
I need to spend some time with it. It seems super flexible. Just not used to that EQ yet.
Curious about the $10 plug-in that’s similar to Billy Decker drums that was recommended to you 🤠
Same.
Hey Jeremy, you’re onto something with your stems for sale… could you do another pack with vocals and also include the mix you’d do with it. I’d then tinker around trying to start from the raw recordings and match what you got.
No need for top notch vocals either, the truth is none of us gets to work with Céline and Bocelli.
If a whole song is too much work, how about a jingle for your channel?
The way the keys came out of the mix at 3:28 was essential Bruce Hornsby and I Loved it! What piano sound was that?
I’m 90% sure it’s native instruments Maverick.
I use it all the time
nice song!
I watch pretty much all your videos, so I'll watch you mix this with stock plugins and I'll watch if you bring him into the studio. The song was cool. I was actually expecting a heavier rock type thing at the start. Maybe add in some of those vocals from your one mic series. Haha. what was it, "I need one Just one."
I’ll take one! Just one! I need to get back to those!
Blue Sky Noise in the beginning!
Love that record. I’m seeing them in Vegas in January
@@RecordingStudioLoser Nice!! Hopefully gonna catch them in Brooklyn in February. I realized the other day, that album is what I listen to every time I fly haha
I’ve been recording pro drums at home for 10 years using decent mics, great drums and a cheap interface.
I recently moved to an ekit and it’s a lot easier.
Whats going wrong with the phase??
nice guitar sound, what pedal did you use?
Just a tube screamer into a really clean amp
@@RecordingStudioLoser i couldnt tell it almost sounds like a synth, have a nice day
There is a synth that pops in a couple times.
Lovely video, attitude and tune.
👍👍👍
Very true, and yes, the idea and the "work-with-what-you-got" unfussy attitude can & DO work.
Sonically, have to say that the toms disappoint (not because of the home recording, but because of the poor state of the drum heads - new ones and/or even more corrective processing needed), and there's a disjointed feeling or awkward relationship between how far/close the snare and the hihat sound, both sticking out a bit - but in a rather unrelated, different way. Oh, and too much Soothe, IMHO, it's already at the point where it can be noticed.
Nonetheless, fine job & no bull video!
New heads for the toms would have made a big difference. I think.... I think the toms sound pretty lifeless.
I don't disagree but to that end everything done at home there are diminishing returns for the environment at any point in the kit.
This is accurate, covid hit my budget a little too hard 😂😕😢
I have to agree with this. There are diminishing returns when working in a home recording studio but those tom heads just killed the tone. There was a great job done of polishing those turds but different heads would have made a huge difference in the end result. This is no knock on the playing, recording, or mixing. It just goes to show how important it is to get everything right at the source. Resonance matters.
@@RecordingStudioLoser I agree with that. Though I feel the new heads could have balanced out a lot of the problems recording home creates.
I could pretty much not care about the small room etc. but whenever the toms came in they were just off. And having worked with those same close mics (and a pair of NT5 as OH) I am aware what they can do.
Anyways I appreciate showing that it is possible to record drums really decently at home. Though I feel this is kind of a missed opportunity at the same time as it could have sounded better with an investment of approximately $60 for three tom heads.
Trying to take the engineer seat here. Sometimes we can’t just tell them to go get new heads. Some do.
I wanted the focus here to be on what can you do with what you already have. Then anything beyond that gets better.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m a big proponent for getting new skins and strings often.
Nice tune, good guitar tone, however when it comes to drums you are competing with a lot of great Drum Vst's and it is that sound most consumers are used to. So when recording drums I recommend using reference tracks just like for any other mixing project. Doesn't mater how good a player is, if they don't have the tones that at least meet consumers expectations it will be difficult to then, exceed those expectations.
I gotta disagree with the premise. Tone, just like music is a matter of taste and opinion… In this instance no VST could offer up ideas and contribute creatively to process it like Jon did.
Sure tones could sound better on paper… but it’s hard to mail that human aspect. And it’s for that purpose I think it’s still important to do the best with what you have. Even when recording at home.
I feel like there’s a video just responding to this comment.
@@RecordingStudioLoser Don't get me wrong, I was just coming at it from a commercial point of view. People like all kinds of stuff and people buy all kinds of stuff, but when it comes to making money I like to look at the bell curve and ride that wave at the top.
Jimmy Buffet stared out as a country and western singer but found he couldn't make any money at it so he pretty much created his own genera, my point being if you are in it for the money then find out what works for you.
I think humans relate to humanity reflected in art. Either way would rather pursue a career making things I want to listen to not what I Think the masses want.
But if we apply the same logic there are virtual version of everything that are sonically perfect. But that’s not the point is it? We all know something that am sound fantastic on it’s own often doesn’t always play well in a mix.
Humans… software… it’s not about sonics as much as it is about process and creative flow.
I get so annoyed at the excuse that people use based on this fantasy that great music can only be made with all manner of perfect this, that, and the other. It is utter BS, yet people are so eager to hang onto it to support their fear that they can't do it. Saying it can't be done until you happen to own Abbey Road with Alan Parsons is just avoidance.
I do wonder tho if you didn't just have a bit of a leg up in this in that you just so happen to have a good drummer in a nice room with a collection of fancy mics (as you acknowledge) - which ends up feeling like you didn't really prove your point. That said, I think that it is totally possible to make lively & intimate (if not shiny-perfect) records at home with stupid-cheap mics (like the Behringer XM8500) so long as you have passion and avoid being silly about it like lining a room with egg-cartons and buying fancy name things. Simply by knowing your material and delivering it (playing/singing) it with passion (and not AutoTune).
:-)