Anyone trying this but feeling clunky - be sure you're doing the runup/walkup on your toes or think athletic stance. Be smooth and graceful and let the speed come later. This made it easier to position my plant foot the first time, as before stomping my way down the tee pad made it near impossible to get that full hip rotation required.
Noob here. I’ve been playing 4mths+ now & have been watching tons of videos, working on my field work, etc. This technique has/is very beneficial to me. I’m very happy to have stumbled upon your video & the extra pre-step seems very natural to me (former soccer player). Addressing the ball is all about planting your non-kicking foot adjacent to the ball as you follow thru w/ your kicking foot. As the ball is in motion, your timing is paramount in getting it right. This “extra” step leading in to your cross-step has been very effective to my plant/X-step/plant (& then release). Thanks for this video. 👍🏼
Been doing this since I watched the Overthrow Disc Golf videos of Simon throwing. His walk up is exactly this. He has an abbreviated version but overall, this helps your timing immensely. Speed it up for a farther throw or down tempo it for an approach etc.
What the hell were you doing before? I've always done the fivestep runup. If you do it correctly, you can keep the disc right above the foot you last put down pretty much all the time, so you keep it right over the center of balance. That makes timing your throws suuuuper easy. Also, every pro does this on full runups. Corey Ellis doesn't take an actual step, but rocks left to right (forward), then right to left (backwards) before he takes his momentum step, which is like doing the weightshift of an actual step. He also starts sideways. I don't really have a good name for the first step, but I think of the second footplant as the alignment step (because you should now be aligned 90 degrees to your target with the inside of your back foot). Third is momentum. You propel yourself down the line you want to throw and control the speed you want to have into your x-step. The x-step is to prepare for coiling and the brace sets you up to chuck your elbow out and swing to 90 derees before you follow through. If you do the footwork correctly, jab your elbow towards your target and follow through properly, you should be able to hit pretty much any basket from about 150ft in 3-5 attempts and throw about 400ft without much issue.
I have to remind myself to slow down also. Going too fast makes for mistakes for me. I can’t wait to try this out. It just makes sense to me once I thought about it. I always thought I had to start at the very back of the tee pad and get all the way to the front as fast as I could. I think the extra step and slowing down will make a huge difference.
I am absolutely going to give it a try. I have noticed that I seem to over rotate backwards and I think with this and reaching out instead of of back I can keep my feet pointing in the right direction.
I personally rock back on my right foot at the beginning of my walk up. I do this with my left foot behind like in a half stride. So I start rocked-back on my right, then my left, then pre-plant, then X-step, then plant. I think it is something like what you’re talking about. Overthrow talks about stepping with your pre-plant and going heel-to-toe with a good angle pointing at about 10 or 11 o’clock. This intentionality sets you up for a good X step and plant.
love the 5-step walk-/run-up. I originally noticed drew gibson doing it, and how it lets him get into his power stance with minimal extraneous movement. i've even noticed that I can add a step on the beginning for that extra bit of consistent power. A huge portion of my improvement overall has been, as you've said, other work i've done with my body that then gets implemented into the relevant parts of the game.
I've been trying to adjust to this. I threw in a field and did this naturally, but have had trouble fitting the extra step on the tee pads at local courses. I may need to start off the tee pad/have slipped off the front edge a couple times in my follow thru. It definitely helps me, but is an adjustment to incorporate.
I like this concept a lot. My only concern with calling it a pre-plant step is that I think that could potentially make me want to be more flat footed. I’m going to try it and just make sure I’m staying in an athletic stance. Toe oriented as ulibarri would say
Great if you have proper pads. A lot of courses around here don't have big enough pads to do this 😅. Finally getting more courses around here made properly tho!
I noticed you pivot on the ball of your foot. Me too. Do you see any issues with that vs the heel? BTW, Bodanza is REALLY observant! Love this slight adjustment.
I find that in the grass when starting with my left since foot placement and timing are easier I can line up the shot effectively but on a teepad things get sped up and starting with the left I end up doing a "swinging". I used to drive right foot first so may give this a try.
I do a five step myself, the only problem is room required on each teepad to get the full walkup can be tough especially when you have long legs (like me). Shortening the steps can mess up timing, so it's good to practice that or then use a 3 step instead in some cases.
Uli talks about a regulator step which is the step your talking about. It gets your momentum going forward and creating space for your subsequent steps
Shout out to Cole Redalen. He has perfected the backhand form that we all want. As an up and comer though, he definitely has a way to go compared to a Paul, Calvin, Eagle or Simon. Looking forward to seeing this young man's career.....🤔
So is my left foot not meant to be pointed directly backward when I x-step? My right foot naturally tries to reach my final plant orientation so I can point my left heel forward. I thought this would help preload my hips to start the drive. Kind of like the x-step being the "reachback" or loading of the arm but instead for my legs and hips... My current X-step is like I'm trying to go from walking to running backward with an abrupt stop and snap at the end.
You could also just start sideways like Corey Ellis. I think he just skips those first couple steps or so. It makes sense too as the first steps are just to get you turning to the side anyway.
It would have been really good if you showed a before and after. I have always (since starting to learn to throw with footwork) done it like this, so I don’t understand how you could do it with not landing with your foot sideways.
Two options: begin with the Dan Beto Drill, and be throwing with effortless power in a month, OR... just continue going down one rabbit hole of infinite possibilities after another for ten months, like I did. It is amazing how fast that simple little drill ties everything together. Started with the standstill, then one step, two steps, and the run-up was almost automatic from the get-go. When I start my run-up with my elbow out, disc curled in, and do a slight arm pump the first time my right foot touches... everything else feels like it takes care of itself after that. Effortless power, and dead online darn near everytime. The Dan Beto Drill
@@mojavegreen2923 thank you for this! I see a lot of results for this online, can you please provide a direct link to the one you’re specifically referring to? Thank you again!!
There's really nothing to it so any one of them should do. I watched the oldest one about two months into being determined to learn correct form, ignored it, and all the field work and practice I put in for the next 8 months was a complete waste of time. The Disc Golf Spin Doctor also has an awesome '1 on 1' series that goes into detail on The Grip, Stance, Reach Back, Power Pocket, Run-up, Coil, that is second to none. Stick to The DG Spin Doctor/Dan Beto Drill/Scott Stokely, because it's too easy to inadvertently get pulled into the different... and possibly incompatible styles/schools of technique/teaching. Your progress can come to a screeching halt, real fast.
@@mojavegreen2923 I can’t even begin to tell you how much everything you said is exactly me. All I do is watch disc golf videos and then when I step up to the tee pad I have no idea what to do because I have all those videos rushing into my head!!!
Yeah im just focusing on one thing at a time. Backhand has never been natural for me so i have to hammer one aspect for at least a week or two before i worry about anything else.
I never knew this was a problem. Or are we making a new problem to make more videos? There have been countless form videos talking about "two tracks" of the foot placement. It's not revolutionary
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Anyone trying this but feeling clunky - be sure you're doing the runup/walkup on your toes or think athletic stance. Be smooth and graceful and let the speed come later. This made it easier to position my plant foot the first time, as before stomping my way down the tee pad made it near impossible to get that full hip rotation required.
Noob here. I’ve been playing 4mths+ now & have been watching tons of videos, working on my field work, etc. This technique has/is very beneficial to me. I’m very happy to have stumbled upon your video & the extra pre-step seems very natural to me (former soccer player). Addressing the ball is all about planting your non-kicking foot adjacent to the ball as you follow thru w/ your kicking foot. As the ball is in motion, your timing is paramount in getting it right. This “extra” step leading in to your cross-step has been very effective to my plant/X-step/plant (& then release). Thanks for this video. 👍🏼
Been doing this since I watched the Overthrow Disc Golf videos of Simon throwing. His walk up is exactly this. He has an abbreviated version but overall, this helps your timing immensely. Speed it up for a farther throw or down tempo it for an approach etc.
What the hell were you doing before? I've always done the fivestep runup. If you do it correctly, you can keep the disc right above the foot you last put down pretty much all the time, so you keep it right over the center of balance. That makes timing your throws suuuuper easy.
Also, every pro does this on full runups. Corey Ellis doesn't take an actual step, but rocks left to right (forward), then right to left (backwards) before he takes his momentum step, which is like doing the weightshift of an actual step. He also starts sideways.
I don't really have a good name for the first step, but I think of the second footplant as the alignment step (because you should now be aligned 90 degrees to your target with the inside of your back foot). Third is momentum. You propel yourself down the line you want to throw and control the speed you want to have into your x-step. The x-step is to prepare for coiling and the brace sets you up to chuck your elbow out and swing to 90 derees before you follow through. If you do the footwork correctly, jab your elbow towards your target and follow through properly, you should be able to hit pretty much any basket from about 150ft in 3-5 attempts and throw about 400ft without much issue.
I have to remind myself to slow down also. Going too fast makes for mistakes for me. I can’t wait to try this out. It just makes sense to me once I thought about it. I always thought I had to start at the very back of the tee pad and get all the way to the front as fast as I could. I think the extra step and slowing down will make a huge difference.
that sounds like a good adjustment :)
Definitely trying this out tomorrow. But i gotta hurry before the snow comes here in Norway 🥶
I am absolutely going to give it a try. I have noticed that I seem to over rotate backwards and I think with this and reaching out instead of of back I can keep my feet pointing in the right direction.
I personally rock back on my right foot at the beginning of my walk up. I do this with my left foot behind like in a half stride. So I start rocked-back on my right, then my left, then pre-plant, then X-step, then plant. I think it is something like what you’re talking about.
Overthrow talks about stepping with your pre-plant and going heel-to-toe with a good angle pointing at about 10 or 11 o’clock. This intentionality sets you up for a good X step and plant.
love the 5-step walk-/run-up. I originally noticed drew gibson doing it, and how it lets him get into his power stance with minimal extraneous movement. i've even noticed that I can add a step on the beginning for that extra bit of consistent power. A huge portion of my improvement overall has been, as you've said, other work i've done with my body that then gets implemented into the relevant parts of the game.
It’s funny, my initial technique was just the three step x-step where I started in this pre plant position. I’ll be trying this!
I've been trying to adjust to this. I threw in a field and did this naturally, but have had trouble fitting the extra step on the tee pads at local courses. I may need to start off the tee pad/have slipped off the front edge a couple times in my follow thru. It definitely helps me, but is an adjustment to incorporate.
I tried this and wow. I never realized as a lefty that I start off with the right foot. This may be game changing for me.
Awesome!! Let me know how it goes!
@@IceBergTV game change for sure. I am actually throwing about 50ft further on average. I want to try this with forehand as well.
I like this concept a lot. My only concern with calling it a pre-plant step is that I think that could potentially make me want to be more flat footed. I’m going to try it and just make sure I’m staying in an athletic stance. Toe oriented as ulibarri would say
I never really thought disc golf and bowling could have so much of the form in common 😵💫
I am now wondering if I already do this or not, lol! I will see this weekend.
Great if you have proper pads. A lot of courses around here don't have big enough pads to do this 😅. Finally getting more courses around here made properly tho!
You can lead with the right foot and step to the right on shorty pads . Hope that helps
I noticed you pivot on the ball of your foot. Me too. Do you see any issues with that vs the heel? BTW, Bodanza is REALLY observant! Love this slight adjustment.
I find that in the grass when starting with my left since foot placement and timing are easier I can line up the shot effectively but on a teepad things get sped up and starting with the left I end up doing a "swinging". I used to drive right foot first so may give this a try.
I will try this tip . Thank's !
I do a five step myself, the only problem is room required on each teepad to get the full walkup can be tough especially when you have long legs (like me). Shortening the steps can mess up timing, so it's good to practice that or then use a 3 step instead in some cases.
Uli talks about a regulator step which is the step your talking about. It gets your momentum going forward and creating space for your subsequent steps
On tunnel shots i just take the x step and throw. Helped with accuracy
Clint Calvin!! San Diego!! 🎉❤🎉
Shout out to Cole Redalen. He has perfected the backhand form that we all want. As an up and comer though, he definitely has a way to go compared to a Paul, Calvin, Eagle or Simon. Looking forward to seeing this young man's career.....🤔
So is my left foot not meant to be pointed directly backward when I x-step? My right foot naturally tries to reach my final plant orientation so I can point my left heel forward. I thought this would help preload my hips to start the drive. Kind of like the x-step being the "reachback" or loading of the arm but instead for my legs and hips... My current X-step is like I'm trying to go from walking to running backward with an abrupt stop and snap at the end.
The back foot should be something along the lines of a 45 degree angle, with the front foot at least 90 degrees.
You could also just start sideways like Corey Ellis. I think he just skips those first couple steps or so. It makes sense too as the first steps are just to get you turning to the side anyway.
Never thought about it but its how i walk/run up naturally
I'm not understanding how a 4-step walkup results in not being able to line up your plant, but a 5-step would.
Tried it today, and it seemed to help - broke 300 feet (downhill, but still ..)
It would have been really good if you showed a before and after. I have always (since starting to learn to throw with footwork) done it like this, so I don’t understand how you could do it with not landing with your foot sideways.
Such a small thing. Such a big difference.
If course designers would stop making such short Tee Pads, this would be something Id like to try.
Feel like I run out of Tee Pad more often than not.
I can't even throw 300 feet, can you make a video that is truly for people that are just learning to drive?
Two options: begin with the Dan Beto Drill, and be throwing with effortless power in a month, OR... just continue going down one rabbit hole of infinite possibilities after another for ten months, like I did.
It is amazing how fast that simple little drill ties everything together.
Started with the standstill, then one step, two steps, and the run-up was almost automatic from the get-go.
When I start my run-up with my elbow out, disc curled in, and do a slight arm pump the first time my right foot touches... everything else feels like it takes care of itself after that.
Effortless power, and dead online darn near everytime.
The Dan Beto Drill
@@mojavegreen2923 thank you for this! I see a lot of results for this online, can you please provide a direct link to the one you’re specifically referring to? Thank you again!!
There's really nothing to it so any one of them should do.
I watched the oldest one about two months into being determined to learn correct form, ignored it, and all the field work and practice I put in for the next 8 months was a complete waste of time.
The Disc Golf Spin Doctor also has an awesome '1 on 1' series that goes into detail on The Grip, Stance, Reach Back, Power Pocket, Run-up, Coil, that is second to none.
Stick to The DG Spin Doctor/Dan Beto Drill/Scott Stokely, because it's too easy to inadvertently get pulled into the different... and possibly incompatible styles/schools of technique/teaching. Your progress can come to a screeching halt, real fast.
@@mojavegreen2923 I can’t even begin to tell you how much everything you said is exactly me. All I do is watch disc golf videos and then when I step up to the tee pad I have no idea what to do because I have all those videos rushing into my head!!!
largest tee pad ever !!
I don’t think the right step means there’s a difference. Left at 45 and right at 90 in the right place before the X seems just as good.
I like it
Your off arm is kind of out there. Isn't it better to keep your off arm straight to your side? Looks pretty good, though 👌
Yeah im just focusing on one thing at a time. Backhand has never been natural for me so i have to hammer one aspect for at least a week or two before i worry about anything else.
Tfs❤
Corey Ellis is the extreme irritation of this.
Iteration?
I knew what he meant, but yeah iteration for sure
I never knew this was a problem. Or are we making a new problem to make more videos? There have been countless form videos talking about "two tracks" of the foot placement. It's not revolutionary
I had never heard of it before
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