Been watching your videos for the last few years, your perspective has helped me gain a different understanding of form that I have been longing for. I have been injured the last couple of years so haven’t been playing nearly as much as I would like. Thank you for continuing your content. As I rebound from setbacks, I hope to implement these techniques to my game.
1. Disc golf is a new sport, so the ideal "form" may not have been discovered yet. 2. We must look at old sports with $millions attracting the best athletes and scientists - they have likely found the ideal biomechanics. 3. Baseball is an old sport with lots of $, and there are two key hip techniques: a. Throwing - uses a lateral and rotational hip movement. Review any pro pitcher in slow motion. b. Batting - uses only rotational hip movement. Again, review any top batter in slow motion. 4. The Disc golf backhand brace will be substantially different if you move your hips laterally AND rotationally (like throwing a baseball), and a lot of pros do this. Schusterick is perhaps the best example. Paige Pierce is the best example of hip rotation only backhand (baseball batting). Paul Mcbeth is rotation dominant, but he also moves his hips laterally to throw. Regardless, your hip movement pattern dictates your brace. I don't waste time typing this often, but you are the most advanced thinker in the disc golf backhand I've found.
There are still arguments in other sports like baseball about golf about hitting mechanics and form. Its one of those things that never really gets solved, people just figure out stuff over time and come up with new insights. Disc golf backhand is probably one of the more complicated sports moves just because so many things have to go right
Well and the other part is...everyone's body is different...height, weight, ape index, muscle mass, flexibility, age etc...the things that work for the 6'5+ among us might not work for the 5'5 and below, or at least from a direct results in max distance. There are of course going to be themes, and there are going to be uniqueness in each players form, just like there is uniqueness in every batter and pitcher, but themes across all pro hitters and pro pitchers...so "ideal form" may never be discovered.
The training program really helped to show me what the brace should and shouldn't look like after doing it wrong for a while. Slingshots for everybody!
Such a good video! This is why I watch your channel. You can break it down so easy, you can actually demonstrate the moves, and you look like an exact copy of the pros you are teaching about. So many other channels out there with their methods, but matching up their throws and it is just laughable. Thanks for the content and keep it up!!!
Great video. Ulibarri stresses the importance of this in one of his videos. I found it beneficial to do the drills in a neutral flat release body position. The hyzer position made it harder to feel it for some reason. I think it was a balance thing until I felt comfortable. Just my experience. Great stuff. Thank you.
I will say this is how Uli teaches it in the power disc golf academy. Being backloaded and holding balance on the backfoot and essentially focusing on just touching the toe of your plant foot. Almost all of your weight is still in your back leg.
Another clear video that I know I need to work on. Going to do that now at the field! Should help me slow down and get the proper body into the throw instead of going arm first.
Thank you for generating this - and for the rough weight percentages. I've found, working through your drill collection, that it's really easy to get myself in ALMOST the right spot, but because it's NOT right, I don't end up feeling what I'm trying to feel. It's pretty clear, for example, that my primary problem is that I get my weight ON TOP of my front foot - so knowing that I should be 2/3 or 3/4 loaded on the back foot even when the front foot touches down - that's a KEY insight that I'd previously missed. It also makes me wonder , when you are doing the relatively slow throws like 5:48 and 5:53 - are you... 80:20 Front/Back at the very end? It certainly doesn't seem like all the weight ends on the front leg? Is that true? There's a frame or two where your back leg is clearly unweighted, but it seems like you set it down pretty quickly because your weight is still behind your plant leg, and not on it. Am I seeing what it feels like?
Ok I TAKE YOU UP ON YOUR EXCLUSIVE Coaching offer!! I have many many things I’d like you to show me in person. Firstly, how do trim your beard so neatly? Do you use a bic or straight old fashioned metal razor? Second, how do you lose weight so quick? I am currently at 235 and 5 foot 4” and my wife says im no longer attractive to her and shes considering leaving me for Paul McBeth. I told her “good luck! Paul wouldn’t touch you with a ten foot pole” and she lost her stuff on me . Told me to move out and find a new wife. So yea i could use that private lesson asap to save our marriage. Thank you coach T !
I filmed almost the entire MPO field and some FPO at Music City Open and posted it on youtube, feel free to check it out...besides the point...the more pros I look at in real time, slow mo and frame by frame...of course the brace is important for that 'last mile' of extra distance and not letting power leak out etc of course... but the disc is gone before any of that like optimal heel turn stuff happens, falling over the brace, good or bad, and it just makes me think we focus so much on the brace when it's probably not as important as we all think to throwing far. Everyone on the pro tour throws far and there are good braces and bad braces, some people have bent knees, some straight, some rotate off the heel, some off the ball of their foot. The best of the best obviously have an awesome brace and they end perfectly balanced on their plant foot, of course... But all of them have a great coil and extension, most of them keep everything balanced and in control over their center of gravity (ie not leaning either way or falling onto their front foot), most keep their head down / 'eye on the ball' from a hitting mentality, and everyone gets tremendous arm whip (out-in-out / the pocket / whatever you want to call it) almost as if they're tapping the disc off their trailing shoulder. Whether they have a leaky brace or fall over their brace, isn't inconsequential, it's not nothing (like look at Luke Humphries who is leaving alot of distance on the table cause of his form in total and brace), but for most the disc is gone before any of the complexity of their brace is revealed. Take a look @Sling Shot let me know what you think!
The focus needs to be on the Back Leg for sure. I've had a lot of students who gained 100 ft but still had a weak brace. They gain the distance because they coil against and explode off the back leg. I'll take a look. Thanks for watching!
I do think we need to start being clear about the different styles being taught on TH-cam. Pretty much everyone else is now teaching counterweight.. where your body acts like a trebuchet (hence trebuchet disc golf), where your entire left side is being used as a weight that folds into the brace to swing the arm. Where Slingshot is like a catapult... The body is being coiled and uncoiled to swing the arm. We rec plays really can't mix the two, it won't work. This way of bracing really requires you build up great balance and strength.
Yes. It's not good to mix my method with other coaches methods. That's why I always tell people to try everything else first. I'm here as a last resort and I'm cool with that. But I will dismantle everything they had previously learned so It's important to try everything else first.
I agree with what you are saying about gently moving out your plant leg etc. But I don’t think your example throw at around 5:25 looks correct (perhaps it was a bad example?). But there your coil looks way late, and you also don’t get a correct brace with hip rotation and a straight leg (as you even show when talking about it earlier). To be honest I think you overdo the ”sling-shot” (lag) with your arm here.
I’ve been really enjoying BlitzDG’s channel, would be cool if you broke down his standstill form. Unless that’s considered rude in the DG coaching realm.
Bro you're modeling off of guys who take much lower stances. Not everyone gets down as low as eagle and mcbeth. I think you think it's a back leg thing when in reality it's guys just squatting down lower . They bend down much lower than say Garret, simon or drew and others.
Sometimes I struggle with distance at the field. The first thing I do is remind myself to get lower and more athletic. The distance comes back. Thanks for watching!
You have it backwards, you get low to get more leg drive. It's like trying to do a vertical jump with barely bending your knees and standing up taller vs fully bending your knees which make you lower. You just have to get to a depth that's optimal for you. But you can't look at just overall height, Eagle looks excessively low because he tilts over a lot. Drew looks like he doesn't get that low cuz he keeps his torso so much more upright... But they both throw mainly big hyzers lol
@@dgspindoctor "Do this to ROTATE your hips in disc golf backhand (Coil and Pressure Shift)" at 1:22 That is a bad faith misrepresentation of the methods being used here and you know it.
That’s an incredible RAT collection!!
Easily the most underrated disc in the game!!
@@slingshotdiscgolf1897 is it 1k each or 1k for the lot? haha thanks for the tips bro!
Been watching your videos for the last few years, your perspective has helped me gain a different understanding of form that I have been longing for. I have been injured the last couple of years so haven’t been playing nearly as much as I would like. Thank you for continuing your content. As I rebound from setbacks, I hope to implement these techniques to my game.
I appreciate you watching!
1. Disc golf is a new sport, so the ideal "form" may not have been discovered yet.
2. We must look at old sports with $millions attracting the best athletes and scientists - they have likely found the ideal biomechanics.
3. Baseball is an old sport with lots of $, and there are two key hip techniques:
a. Throwing - uses a lateral and rotational hip movement. Review any pro pitcher in slow motion.
b. Batting - uses only rotational hip movement. Again, review any top batter in slow motion.
4. The Disc golf backhand brace will be substantially different if you move your hips laterally AND rotationally (like throwing a baseball), and a lot of pros do this. Schusterick is perhaps the best example. Paige Pierce is the best example of hip rotation only backhand (baseball batting). Paul Mcbeth is rotation dominant, but he also moves his hips laterally to throw. Regardless, your hip movement pattern dictates your brace.
I don't waste time typing this often, but you are the most advanced thinker in the disc golf backhand I've found.
I really appreciate you taking the time to write it!!
There are still arguments in other sports like baseball about golf about hitting mechanics and form. Its one of those things that never really gets solved, people just figure out stuff over time and come up with new insights. Disc golf backhand is probably one of the more complicated sports moves just because so many things have to go right
Well and the other part is...everyone's body is different...height, weight, ape index, muscle mass, flexibility, age etc...the things that work for the 6'5+ among us might not work for the 5'5 and below, or at least from a direct results in max distance. There are of course going to be themes, and there are going to be uniqueness in each players form, just like there is uniqueness in every batter and pitcher, but themes across all pro hitters and pro pitchers...so "ideal form" may never be discovered.
The training program really helped to show me what the brace should and shouldn't look like after doing it wrong for a while. Slingshots for everybody!
See you at the livestream tonight!
Yeah you sound like a plant. How much did he pay you
Such a good video! This is why I watch your channel. You can break it down so easy, you can actually demonstrate the moves, and you look like an exact copy of the pros you are teaching about. So many other channels out there with their methods, but matching up their throws and it is just laughable. Thanks for the content and keep it up!!!
Thank you for watching as always
No. Yes. GOLD.
Great video. Ulibarri stresses the importance of this in one of his videos. I found it beneficial to do the drills in a neutral flat release body position. The hyzer position made it harder to feel it for some reason. I think it was a balance thing until I felt comfortable. Just my experience. Great stuff. Thank you.
Simon's a great example of pausing on that trail leg regardless of how fast he runs up
Eagle also does it at shorter throws (which is 450 for min lol)
Long time fan of the channel and your methods. Finally signed up for a lesson later this month and stoked to put in some work and theow better!
Let’s get it 💪
Former dunker here, and absolutely, you wanted to be light on your feet!
Well this video just made me feel good about my backhand drive. It's similar to what I already do, just need to work on timing.
I will say this is how Uli teaches it in the power disc golf academy. Being backloaded and holding balance on the backfoot and essentially focusing on just touching the toe of your plant foot. Almost all of your weight is still in your back leg.
I will look into that. Thank you
Great advice! 💯 Save my knee 👍🏻 Thanks coach T
Another clear video that I know I need to work on. Going to do that now at the field! Should help me slow down and get the proper body into the throw instead of going arm first.
The comp to Pitching & hitting made it click for me big time
💯
no other channel comes close to this one.
Knew it from the first video u made that it was a different level
Appreciate you!
Slingshot rules!
Da Rules!!
Great video coach!
Nice throw at the end!
thanks!!!
You're welcome!
Sgned up. How do you take advantage of the 1 year free course?
We will email you today
@@slingshotdiscgolf1897 sounds good. Looking forward to it
Thank you for generating this - and for the rough weight percentages. I've found, working through your drill collection, that it's really easy to get myself in ALMOST the right spot, but because it's NOT right, I don't end up feeling what I'm trying to feel. It's pretty clear, for example, that my primary problem is that I get my weight ON TOP of my front foot - so knowing that I should be 2/3 or 3/4 loaded on the back foot even when the front foot touches down - that's a KEY insight that I'd previously missed.
It also makes me wonder , when you are doing the relatively slow throws like 5:48 and 5:53 - are you... 80:20 Front/Back at the very end? It certainly doesn't seem like all the weight ends on the front leg? Is that true? There's a frame or two where your back leg is clearly unweighted, but it seems like you set it down pretty quickly because your weight is still behind your plant leg, and not on it. Am I seeing what it feels like?
Message me on discord. It would be nice to catch up!
I like this. But I'm curious how you do anhyzers. Looks.like u dip down into more of a hyzer spot
Ok I TAKE YOU UP ON YOUR EXCLUSIVE Coaching offer!! I have many many things I’d like you to show me in person. Firstly, how do trim your beard so neatly? Do you use a bic or straight old fashioned metal razor? Second, how do you lose weight so quick? I am currently at 235 and 5 foot 4” and my wife says im no longer attractive to her and shes considering leaving me for Paul McBeth. I told her “good luck! Paul wouldn’t touch you with a ten foot pole” and she lost her stuff on me . Told me to move out and find a new wife. So yea i could use that private lesson asap to save our marriage. Thank you coach T !
Thank you!
You’re welcome!
I filmed almost the entire MPO field and some FPO at Music City Open and posted it on youtube, feel free to check it out...besides the point...the more pros I look at in real time, slow mo and frame by frame...of course the brace is important for that 'last mile' of extra distance and not letting power leak out etc of course... but the disc is gone before any of that like optimal heel turn stuff happens, falling over the brace, good or bad, and it just makes me think we focus so much on the brace when it's probably not as important as we all think to throwing far. Everyone on the pro tour throws far and there are good braces and bad braces, some people have bent knees, some straight, some rotate off the heel, some off the ball of their foot. The best of the best obviously have an awesome brace and they end perfectly balanced on their plant foot, of course... But all of them have a great coil and extension, most of them keep everything balanced and in control over their center of gravity (ie not leaning either way or falling onto their front foot), most keep their head down / 'eye on the ball' from a hitting mentality, and everyone gets tremendous arm whip (out-in-out / the pocket / whatever you want to call it) almost as if they're tapping the disc off their trailing shoulder. Whether they have a leaky brace or fall over their brace, isn't inconsequential, it's not nothing (like look at Luke Humphries who is leaving alot of distance on the table cause of his form in total and brace), but for most the disc is gone before any of the complexity of their brace is revealed. Take a look @Sling Shot let me know what you think!
The focus needs to be on the Back Leg for sure. I've had a lot of students who gained 100 ft but still had a weak brace. They gain the distance because they coil against and explode off the back leg. I'll take a look. Thanks for watching!
What's included in the one year program?
I do think we need to start being clear about the different styles being taught on TH-cam.
Pretty much everyone else is now teaching counterweight.. where your body acts like a trebuchet (hence trebuchet disc golf), where your entire left side is being used as a weight that folds into the brace to swing the arm.
Where Slingshot is like a catapult... The body is being coiled and uncoiled to swing the arm.
We rec plays really can't mix the two, it won't work.
This way of bracing really requires you build up great balance and strength.
Yes. It's not good to mix my method with other coaches methods. That's why I always tell people to try everything else first. I'm here as a last resort and I'm cool with that. But I will dismantle everything they had previously learned so It's important to try everything else first.
Wonder if we could use the word Slingshot instead of catapult to describe the throw 😉
I agree with what you are saying about gently moving out your plant leg etc. But I don’t think your example throw at around 5:25 looks correct (perhaps it was a bad example?). But there your coil looks way late, and you also don’t get a correct brace with hip rotation and a straight leg (as you even show when talking about it earlier). To be honest I think you overdo the ”sling-shot” (lag) with your arm here.
I'm stuck at 430-450 and feel it in my hamstring. Does that mean I am too upright in the coil to get to 500 or what? Lol
I would have to see your form but don't do anything that hurts
This is what im missing for sure
I’ve been really enjoying BlitzDG’s channel, would be cool if you broke down his standstill form. Unless that’s considered rude in the DG coaching realm.
NICK KRUSH TEACHES THIS. He’s small channel. He’s has 520 ft standstill. Also maybe BLITZDG not sure
I think the Slingshot studio should adopt the name “The Rats Nest” 🐀
Lololol
omg RATS firesale!!!
Best disc ever!!
My Braces suck. Teeth are all super crooked and messed up like a goat
Bro you're modeling off of guys who take much lower stances. Not everyone gets down as low as eagle and mcbeth. I think you think it's a back leg thing when in reality it's guys just squatting down lower . They bend down much lower than say Garret, simon or drew and others.
Sometimes I struggle with distance at the field. The first thing I do is remind myself to get lower and more athletic. The distance comes back. Thanks for watching!
You have it backwards, you get low to get more leg drive.
It's like trying to do a vertical jump with barely bending your knees and standing up taller vs fully bending your knees which make you lower. You just have to get to a depth that's optimal for you.
But you can't look at just overall height, Eagle looks excessively low because he tilts over a lot. Drew looks like he doesn't get that low cuz he keeps his torso so much more upright... But they both throw mainly big hyzers lol
Name any athletic movement where it’s beneficial not to get low.
@@CherryB0mb333 darts
Spin Doctor writing up his bad faith argument for the back leg as we speak
I'm not picking a side in the debate, but this comment is gold.
I think you're mistaken.
@@dgspindoctor "Do this to ROTATE your hips in disc golf backhand (Coil and Pressure Shift)" at 1:22
That is a bad faith misrepresentation of the methods being used here and you know it.
If you have a vendetta against someone, feel free and carry on. I still have no clue what you're talking about.
@@dgspindoctor it's your video
That's an infestation