Sorry to say this, mmWave Radar sensor doesn't detect human presence instead it detects any movement. And mm Wave radar sensors are only unusable under controlled conditions(Eg. Closed Room, without curtains, without objects that can move like paper, opened books, cloths, bed sheets, hanging charger cables etc.,). It can't be used at every places untill it can distinguish difference between human movements and object movements. From my point of view, a more reliable human presence can be achieved by combination of sensors like pir, mmWave,force Sensitive resistor/ strain gauges, AI object detection using camera (suitable for outdoor and common area that needs less privacy)
Technically, you're right. mmWave can't directly detect humans. But what it can do is collect incredibly detailed motion information that, combined with the right algorithms CAN determine if the movement was caused by a human size and shape object or something else. And since living humans are *always* moving, the algorithm can use that to its advantage. The problem is that the algorithms are still a work in progress. But each iteration is getting better and better at rejecting non-human inputs best I can tell.
Doppler effect together with proper filter will work in principle. Similar principle is used with Ultrasound. Radar does not mean Amplitude detection. I don't know how this particular board works.
Considering this kind of technology available commercially to the public now, I don't have to wonder what it is like in the "research", military, intelligence, "security" domain, in the secret hidden lab somewhere.
i read somewhere that military is 50 years ahead, i remember wen HUD became standard in cars some 20 years ago, while the fighter jets of the late 50s! had them
I heard of some research where they fed wifi feedback to an AI and it was able to map out entire houses including peoples active movements. I believe this was done with some minor physical modifications to a normal wireless access point. I imagine a long range "gun" type version could be made where someone could kind of xray the inside of certain buildings.
It is absorbed by water, so it doesn’t penetrate very far into the body. AM and FM radio waves are always present too, but we don’t worry much about it.
Is the raw sensor data accessible? What's the precision in mm? How can the sensor distinguish humans from other radar-reflective surfaces? Can it? Can it tell apart humans from animals like dogs or cats?
The sensitivity claims target a lab environment, contrary to real life situations. PIR and Doppler radar sensors like RCWL-0516 are enough for most practical applications. Even a dog will read as a human for a sensor, sensitivity is just a matter of magnitude. Some basic image recognition is required for applications like detecting human presence.
Thanks for your video demonstration. What is the long term effect of a 60 GigaHertz signal at 6dBm continuously aimed at the human body for 8 hours per night (while sleeping)?
1. Absorption Depth: 60 GHz falls within the millimeter-wave (mmWave) frequency band, which is heavily absorbed by the skin, typically penetrating only about 0.5-1 mm. This means most of the energy doesn’t reach deeper tissues or organs. 2. Thermal Effects: The primary effect of mmWave exposure at power levels typically used in wireless communications is heating. At 6 dBm (about 4 milliwatts), this is a low power level, and it is unlikely to cause significant thermal effects, especially if there is air circulation or a break in exposure. However, sustained exposure over 8 hours could cause localized skin warming, though research suggests this level should not significantly raise internal body temperature. 3. Biological Effects: Some studies have suggested that long-term mmWave exposure could influence cellular processes, immune response, or even induce minor stress responses in skin cells. However, the power levels required to reach these thresholds are typically higher than 6 dBm, and there’s no consistent evidence of harmful effects at low power levels like this over time. 4. Regulations and Exposure Guidelines: Current safety guidelines, such as those from the FCC and ICNIRP, establish limits well above 6 dBm for mmWave frequencies, as they are based on current research indicating no harmful effects below these thresholds for typical exposure durations.
@@Neilsnonsense1 I didn't test it outside but it will work. I will perform more tests when my development Board is ready. By the way, to avoid false triggering during the rain you can use a rain sensor for better performance.
it was just an introductory video. For the sleeping and breathing tests, i am thinking about designing a pcb. For this test, i will have to properly install the sensor and leave it ON for the entire night.
I wouldn't want to be exposed to the radiation but this seems like a suitable detector for my automated turret system. The heart rate detection is a useful feature as it will help distinguish the postman from an intruder (whose heartrate will be higher - until it stops). Thanks
Oh, I need one of these. Our laundry room is downstatirs and I'd like to have a sensor that sees the person coming down the statirs and turns the lights on and then remains on while someone is in the room.
Most materials are opaque to millimetre waves, either reflecting or absorbing the waves. Some are indeed partially transparent, like the radar domes of aircrafts. A thin plastic case may work, having a thickness way below the wave length. But expect some attenuation, though. Walls... I seriously doubt it. Even 5/6 GHz WiFi is heavily attenuated by walls.
I 3D printed a small case and used Velcro to hold it in place and I’ve noticed it’s not picking up HR or RR as well as just having the sensor outside of a case. Of course, the thin plastic and Velcro should not cause any issues, but I need to do more testing.
Did you do any range tests? Just figured out that the C1001 is much much better for presence detection when used in FallNode. Much greater range and sensitivity 👍
I thought the 60Ghz bandwidth was not delicensed in India. I was trying to find information to use a different sensor that also uses 60ghz radar but gave up on this idea assuming we may not be permitted to sell devices that contain this in India. Is my understanding on this correct?
Just to clarify when you leave the room with ceiling fan still running, it just gives you someone not present, correct? Also, is there esphome external component for this
@@ElectroniClinici’m planning to use esphome with homeassistant so everything runs locally. I’m not quite familiar with arduino so I’m guessing you’ll configure mqtt with iot cloud.
Thank you for introducing brilliant module. I did follow your instruction. I have problem that: the sensor show "Some one is present" and index of "Body movement parameter" but "Heart rate" and "Respiration rate" is 0 (C1001 sensor front under 1metter of me). Please help me. Hope to hear from you soon
Good question, i have a terrace where i couldn't install automatic lights because of the moving plants at wind, cats,dog,birds triggering the light constantly during the night, also i would have to wave my arms like an director of a orquestra while sitting at the table to avoid the light to turn off, LOL, but this sensor could give a solution .
They way it works, it will detect any object which reflects millimetre waves. Any moist surface will. Animal skin is as moist as human's, so they will get detected for sure. The size may be relevant. I don't expect this to detect a mouse at 3 metres distance. But if it's able to distinguish between postures (as it's claimed in the video) it will certainly be able to detect a cat and anything bigger.
The frequency, not the power of an EM wave decides whether it is ionizing. This is due to the quantized (existing in discrete states) nature of electrons. From googling it seems that a wavelength of 1.24 nm or 2.4 million GHz would be ionizing. So the frequency would have to be several orders of magnitude higher to ionise
"You can't use PIR sensors in bathrooms" Ok great, now if you can tell that to all of the public places that do use them because I'm tired of poopin in the dark.
Wow a car that opens windows if someone like a child is trapped and the temperature is getting too high or can contact the appropriate authorities to help and thats just one idea don't get me started on nursing homes and schools ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
It can detect only the human presence,not the direction ,also if you noticed during the test,it had a delay of 3-4 seconds till turned on the light, wich at the speed of a drone means it gets out of the 11 meters of detection range before detecting.....,also afected by the electronic scramblers, not a good idea.
What are the health consequences of this type of tech on living things? I don't think it is wise the blindly dive into experimenting with this category until one understands optogenetics and the pitfalls of the biological digital convergence up to this moment. I personally will not be moving forward in this direction as what I've seen so far, it's harmful in ways I thought were only science fiction. I still have my doubts.
See through different material with C1001 mmWave Human Detection Sensor:
th-cam.com/video/Xe2iQmGaYis/w-d-xo.html
used in laptops, keyboard Backlighting, Battery Saving "mmWave, is the secret sauce" used more often than anyone could begin to imagine.
Waw, this looks like an amazing piece of electronics!
Very Interesting,
80$ Pricing can be an issue with DIY people, for professional & Industry grade it's a feature packed thing.
its not 85, its 35 dollars.
Actually this is quite scary when you consider the darker applications this might be used for.
like what ?
Worker monitor
@@vottat you mean like what video cameras are used for?
@@JasonViloria yes, but probably simpler workflow.
Other ideas, publicity in the street measuring your response based on heartbeat body posture.
Hidden truth/lie detection based on heartbeat and breathe.
Sorry to say this, mmWave Radar sensor doesn't detect human presence instead it detects any movement. And mm Wave radar sensors are only unusable under controlled conditions(Eg. Closed Room, without curtains, without objects that can move like paper, opened books, cloths, bed sheets, hanging charger cables etc.,). It can't be used at every places untill it can distinguish difference between human movements and object movements. From my point of view, a more reliable human presence can be achieved by combination of sensors like pir, mmWave,force Sensitive resistor/ strain gauges, AI object detection using camera (suitable for outdoor and common area that needs less privacy)
Technically, you're right. mmWave can't directly detect humans. But what it can do is collect incredibly detailed motion information that, combined with the right algorithms CAN determine if the movement was caused by a human size and shape object or something else. And since living humans are *always* moving, the algorithm can use that to its advantage.
The problem is that the algorithms are still a work in progress. But each iteration is getting better and better at rejecting non-human inputs best I can tell.
so this isnt suitable for outdoor area..?
@@saratrajbmost likely not, although it might be able to detect ghosts, yay!
Add BO sensor to detect what race.
Doppler effect together with proper filter will work in principle. Similar principle is used with Ultrasound.
Radar does not mean Amplitude detection.
I don't know how this particular board works.
I'm gonna wear one of these on my next date to read the signals better :D
Considering this kind of technology available commercially to the public now, I don't have to wonder what it is like in the "research", military, intelligence, "security" domain, in the secret hidden lab somewhere.
i read somewhere that military is 50 years ahead, i remember wen HUD became standard in cars some 20 years ago, while the fighter jets of the late 50s! had them
I heard of some research where they fed wifi feedback to an AI and it was able to map out entire houses including peoples active movements. I believe this was done with some minor physical modifications to a normal wireless access point. I imagine a long range "gun" type version could be made where someone could kind of xray the inside of certain buildings.
Great potential for skilled nursing facilities and home elder care. I didn’t hear discussion about effective far-field distance?
1.5 meters for heart rate and respiration. Human detection range is over 11 meters.
I like your fantastic content. Thank you very much!
i need this in my alarm clock, so it knows when i'm lying about being awake
@@Makenitso wow, this is such a cool idea.
Hahaha you are a genius. I will install one in my son’s bedroom!!
😂
or baby crib, to prevent Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.
This is actually an amazing idea. Saves you from having to remember to disable/enable your alarm clock while you're away as well.
Excellent vid, have liked & subbed
It is absorbed by water, so it doesn’t penetrate very far into the body. AM and FM radio waves are always present too, but we don’t worry much about it.
Excellent share!! Thanks a bunch for posting this video, order a couple of these c1001s and do some testing myself
I really liked it.
Is the raw sensor data accessible? What's the precision in mm? How can the sensor distinguish humans from other radar-reflective surfaces? Can it? Can it tell apart humans from animals like dogs or cats?
@@lekalotte2825 I will cover all this in the upcoming video. I am already working on it.
The sensitivity claims target a lab environment, contrary to real life situations. PIR and Doppler radar sensors like RCWL-0516 are enough for most practical applications. Even a dog will read as a human for a sensor, sensitivity is just a matter of magnitude. Some basic image recognition is required for applications like detecting human presence.
Thanks for your video demonstration.
What is the long term effect of a 60 GigaHertz signal at 6dBm continuously aimed at the human body for 8 hours per night (while sleeping)?
Lol. Good luck with that
1. Absorption Depth: 60 GHz falls within the millimeter-wave (mmWave) frequency band, which is heavily absorbed by the skin, typically penetrating only about 0.5-1 mm. This means most of the energy doesn’t reach deeper tissues or organs.
2. Thermal Effects: The primary effect of mmWave exposure at power levels typically used in wireless communications is heating. At 6 dBm (about 4 milliwatts), this is a low power level, and it is unlikely to cause significant thermal effects, especially if there is air circulation or a break in exposure. However, sustained exposure over 8 hours could cause localized skin warming, though research suggests this level should not significantly raise internal body temperature.
3. Biological Effects: Some studies have suggested that long-term mmWave exposure could influence cellular processes, immune response, or even induce minor stress responses in skin cells. However, the power levels required to reach these thresholds are typically higher than 6 dBm, and there’s no consistent evidence of harmful effects at low power levels like this over time.
4. Regulations and Exposure Guidelines: Current safety guidelines, such as those from the FCC and ICNIRP, establish limits well above 6 dBm for mmWave frequencies, as they are based on current research indicating no harmful effects below these thresholds for typical exposure durations.
Does it work outside ok? Especially after rain.
I've had issues with other radar sensors outside when it's wet. As the radar picks up bodies of water.
@@Neilsnonsense1 I didn't test it outside but it will work. I will perform more tests when my development Board is ready. By the way, to avoid false triggering during the rain you can use a rain sensor for better performance.
@bradley3549 was mentioning in one of the comment how this mmWave isnt suited for outdoor and why, he mentioned exactly want it can do
Can this be used to acquire a image of some kind? Thank you
Project ideea: I think it can also be used to remind you when you need to stand up from the computer after a long time.
My numb butt tends to do that pretty well 😉
Can you find a way to test how accurate the sensors are especially the sleeping and the breeding sensor
it was just an introductory video. For the sleeping and breathing tests, i am thinking about designing a pcb. For this test, i will have to properly install the sensor and leave it ON for the entire night.
Breeding sensor? To know if the people in the room are "busy" lol
Oh hell no, at 60yo I don't need a monitor to report my "breeding" stats 😅
@@FloridaMan02 😂
awesome, very informative
awesome....❤
Can you use it outside e.g. to detect if someone is one the driveway ?
@@leotimmermans8252 yes, it can be used outside.
I wouldn't want to be exposed to the radiation but this seems like a suitable detector for my automated turret system.
The heart rate detection is a useful feature as it will help distinguish the postman from an intruder (whose heartrate will be higher - until it stops).
Thanks
Oh, I need one of these. Our laundry room is downstatirs and I'd like to have a sensor that sees the person coming down the statirs and turns the lights on and then remains on while someone is in the room.
hi, interresting ! Thank you. What about the mmWave - C4001 sensor ?
I am thinking about it, I will get it in a few days.
A real life device to replace an outdoor HID sensor would be nice. To many part to do it DIY.
does it support a multi target ?
No, but there are 24ghz mmWave sensors that can track multiple targets.
Does it work with plastic in front of it if you print a case?
A similar thing I have already done but using a different sensor, I have added it's link in the description. That sensor can penetrate even walls.
Most materials are opaque to millimetre waves, either reflecting or absorbing the waves. Some are indeed partially transparent, like the radar domes of aircrafts. A thin plastic case may work, having a thickness way below the wave length. But expect some attenuation, though.
Walls... I seriously doubt it. Even 5/6 GHz WiFi is heavily attenuated by walls.
I 3D printed a small case and used Velcro to hold it in place and I’ve noticed it’s not picking up HR or RR as well as just having the sensor outside of a case. Of course, the thin plastic and Velcro should not cause any issues, but I need to do more testing.
Thanks for the updates guys. Hope we find something suiting
Simply wow.
How can I get this program for human detector you've showing?
@@princelabeste2156 it's available on my website, check link in the description.
WHERE CAN I GET ONE?
Is there a way to put this in every room and have it track a persons’ movement around the house? Is there a feature to share info between modules?
@@jack91522 yes, you can use nrf24l01 or Lora modules to send the information wirelessly.
Did you do any range tests? Just figured out that the C1001 is much much better for presence detection when used in FallNode. Much greater range and sensitivity 👍
This can be useful in search and rescue.
Not very good for this application based on range. But 4D sensors with 300M range would be great. Thermal imaging is also a better option.
How well does it work behind walls?
can the sensor detect multiple people at once?
I thought the 60Ghz bandwidth was not delicensed in India. I was trying to find information to use a different sensor that also uses 60ghz radar but gave up on this idea assuming we may not be permitted to sell devices that contain this in India. Is my understanding on this correct?
23:15 why not use the Arduino IDE 2.0 instead of this outdated 1.8.19?
I would love to have support for this sensor on esphome!
Do ceiling fans still give false presence triggers with this?
no, when i was testing this sensor, the ceiling fan was running.
@@ElectroniClinic thanks, that’s my main concern since i tried with ld2410 and it wasn’t reliable with fans turned on after I leave the room.
Just to clarify when you leave the room with ceiling fan still running, it just gives you someone not present, correct? Also, is there esphome external component for this
@@thebatu89 esphome? We can connect it to an iot cloud and send notifications. I will explain this in my upcoming videos.
@@ElectroniClinici’m planning to use esphome with homeassistant so everything runs locally. I’m not quite familiar with arduino so I’m guessing you’ll configure mqtt with iot cloud.
dang this is a game changer
Pretty costly for DYI. Probably most of the use cases can be covered by an LD2410
Can it sense noise?
can you make a video on how pir sensor can be stabilized using special circuit
Thank you for introducing brilliant module. I did follow your instruction. I have problem that: the sensor show "Some one is present" and index of "Body movement parameter" but "Heart rate" and "Respiration rate" is 0 (C1001 sensor front under 1metter of me). Please help me. Hope to hear from you soon
I have the same issue. If it’s placed like 45 degrees offset to the right side it seems to work though.
Another great sensor I will buy, put in a drawer and never start coding anything 🤡😕😬
@@adrianTNT 😄
Can you pls share link to buy in dia
Does it only detect humans or cats and dogs too?Thanks!
I am not sure about cats and dogs, but I can give it a try.
@@ElectroniClinic Thank you! If only humans it will be very interesting for me.
Good question, i have a terrace where i couldn't install automatic lights because of the moving plants at wind, cats,dog,birds triggering the light constantly during the night, also i would have to wave my arms like an director of a orquestra while sitting at the table to avoid the light to turn off, LOL, but this sensor could give a solution .
LoL @@eduardo33
They way it works, it will detect any object which reflects millimetre waves. Any moist surface will. Animal skin is as moist as human's, so they will get detected for sure.
The size may be relevant. I don't expect this to detect a mouse at 3 metres distance. But if it's able to distinguish between postures (as it's claimed in the video) it will certainly be able to detect a cat and anything bigger.
does it work on babies?
Medical tricorder?
Oh,boy, Star Trek gadgets becoming real....good idea.
What's the difference of it compared to "HLK-LD2410C"?
What is the range of detection
@@vaibhavbarike more than 11 meters
Nice gadget. Seems like there's not yet an AliExpress equivalent of it existing.
Interesting! How would one set it up to detect a person in a shower?
I always assume the most evil and dark things you can use a technology for and start from there as to if we should or not.
I like the video and the content, but i think at some point you can just skip repeating the full name/description over and over
@@mylanthony thank you for the suggestion.
👏👌
Do I want 60gHz aimed at me? How many watts and how close does have to be for ionizing?
The frequency, not the power of an EM wave decides whether it is ionizing. This is due to the quantized (existing in discrete states) nature of electrons. From googling it seems that a wavelength of 1.24 nm or 2.4 million GHz would be ionizing. So the frequency would have to be several orders of magnitude higher to ionise
"You can't use PIR sensors in bathrooms"
Ok great, now if you can tell that to all of the public places that do use them because I'm tired of poopin in the dark.
1:50 just set the timer to a longer period and you'll barely need to worry about it timing out.
Could it sense humans but ignore a dog? Thinking of a secure dog door.
It will detect a dog but if you use a 2nd sensor along with c1001 mmWave sensor you can ignore a dog.
👌👍
And what about MR60BHA1????
Like this is a new thing.......
$35 a piece is way too much! They need to be in the $5-7 range.
Wow a car that opens windows if someone like a child is trapped and the temperature is getting too high or can contact the appropriate authorities to help and thats just one idea don't get me started on nursing homes and schools ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Doesnt 60ghz signal damage the eyes of a person?
It's not harmful.
ahaha can you imagine the micropower of those GHz waves? Its harmless man.
It's damage your cocks, balls. You need foil protect for this.
Eyes are only harmed by UV radiation, which starts at 750 THz. Always wear sunglasses during a sunny day!
Use in prisons...
yay for fpv drones
It can detect only the human presence,not the direction ,also if you noticed during the test,it had a delay of 3-4 seconds till turned on the light, wich at the speed of a drone means it gets out of the 11 meters of detection range before detecting.....,also afected by the electronic scramblers, not a good idea.
Bolllshooting
A pressure sensor can sense someone breathing
Just get a dog!
What are the health consequences of this type of tech on living things? I don't think it is wise the blindly dive into experimenting with this category until one understands optogenetics and the pitfalls of the biological digital convergence up to this moment. I personally will not be moving forward in this direction as what I've seen so far, it's harmful in ways I thought were only science fiction. I still have my doubts.
pls go vegan animals also have lifes Radhe Radhe