Well done! I don't know why I missed out on this EcoBoost with HPP when it first came out. I guess it was really due to V8 bias but honestly, the more I learn about this Mustang EcoBoost with the HPP the more impressed I am especially with that handling package and the fact Ford offers this in a 6 speed manual is the icing on the cake. I enjoy driving and not constant visits to the pump so this Mustang with 330+ horsepower, RWD, 6-speed manual, active exhaust and great MPGs is really getting my attention. Thanks and again well done!
Thank you! The V8 is a great option but the EcoBoost is surprising. The performance when I was behind the wheel was actually really good, I found it handled well and had some good pep. If you went the EcoBoost route I'd say look at a Stage 1 tune to boost the HP by almost 50 points!
I have one.Traded a 2018 GT for it and glad. Do not get this car without the handling pack, its amazing. Best handling car I ever had. This wont out drag a V8, but around town the turbos instant torque is super fun to drive.
Completely agree on the handling pack. That magneride system makes this thing handle so well! The improved performance in the HPP is great. Are you looking at doing anything after market? ECU flash?
Appreciate that! For upgrades, that depends on what you want to do with it. For better acceleration you could look at swapping to a 3.73 axle ratio, especially if you're going to put it on the track. A stage 1, 2 or 3 ECU flash would be a good way to get a 20 - 60hp boost out of the car as well!
The 2023 EcoBoost only has the High Performance Package vs the GT which is the Performance Package. Going to come down to preference and what you're using the car for... The HPP gives some great upgrades that would be useful for track handling but if you're never going to track the car you could save the cash and buy some better tires if you want a simple upgrade
Do you have a miniature camera attached to your sunglasses? lol!! because every time you move your head to look both ways, I'm like, how is he doing that? Hahahaha!!! I like the one Mustang you're driving now. I didn't care too much for the bright green one I watched a while ago. The one you're in now is really powerful. Love it!
Haha good catch! Wish I could chalk it up to editing magic but the sunglasses do have a built in camera lol. The HPP Mustang is an incredible ride! I have a friend who is about to do 15k of work in his stock EcoBoost (just the regular 2.3L) and it should push out close to 725 HP when it's all done. Have you had a chance to drive one of these yet?
@@CarsWithSteve I knew, I knew it!! lol!!! I knew there was a miniature camera in those sunglasses somewhere! lol!! Yes indeed it is incredible! Close to 725??!!! What??? Oh my gosh!! You drive that with 725 HP you'll leave a trail of fire behind you! Hahaha!!! And no, I haven't had a chance to drive one yet. But one day our lot attendant was moving vehicles around the lot and taking out the new ones from the showroom to display on the lot, and I just happen to be in one of our mustangs, just looking at everything in it, and all of a sudden he said start it up. I was like......are you serious!!?? :O lol!!! His reply was yes! I was so excited and just, just oh words cannot describe how I felt starting that baby up and driving it outside for him to park it on the lot. Well, after I got it outside he told me to go ahead and drive it around the dealership, again, I was like..........are you serious!!?? :O His reply was yes! I was ecstatic! Hahaha!!! And so sure enough, I drove it around the dealership because we have a big stretch of road behind our dealership, and so I drove it normally, and then it was "purring", and then I got down on it and it roared! lol!!! It sounded so good! And I of course left a trail of fire behind me sort of speak, because I made it roar! Hahahaha!!!! :) This is what I drove; th-cam.com/video/ARvgVG6tDyo/w-d-xo.html And this is not our dealership, but it is the same exact car. :D
Missed this reply! Hah a trail of fire in a Mustang would be pretty cool to see. It sounds like you had a great experience with your first jump behind the wheel of the Mustang! And doing it in a 2018 5.0L GT would have given you such a incredible feeling. Awesome to hear that you're enjoying the dealership life so far :)
Hi Guan! It depends on what you value in a car. If you're after more aggressive performance the HPP has some good things about it.. From a pure performance perspective the larger axle ratio will give you better acceleration, larger radiator will improve engine cooling, and steering is tighter with the sway bar and tuning. Having said that HPP only gives you a 20 horsepower boost. But the HPP also gives you active valve exhaust, better summer tires, performance splitter and better brakes. Those pieces alone would cost you more than the HPP costs from the factory. If you were to do the HPP in tandem with a factory approved ECU (to make sure you don't void warranty) that would be the perfect combo. An ECU tune that would give you 50 points and would run you a few hundred dollars.
If you're in a 2020 it probably wouldn't make sense to take the hit on trading it in.. unless you can find a private buyer or dealership willing to pay top dollar. You could do some simple tweaks to your EcoBoost to get it to push out more power though! Look at installing a freer flowing downpipe, cold air intake and a performance intercooler. The 3 pieces installed should only be a few thousand but would give you close to a 100hp boost. An ECU tune is also a good way to add an extra 40 - 100hp!
I just posted a video documenting the professional race car driver lap times of the Mustang EcoBoost 2.3L HPP compared to the GT, GT350R, and the GT500. Goodbye V8 dinosaurs.
Just had a chance to check it out - interesting video you out together! The EcoBoost has some great potential especially when you do simple upgrades like an ECU tune - it'll be interesting as these things eventually move into all electric
not how am i going to lock my gas cap? lol that's risky. door doesn't lock. can't wait til spring to try out those ventilated seats lol. the heat works too hot on the back lol. why is everything overpriced in canada lol? do they pay more or something? i doubt it lol.
I always thought the same thing with a capless system.. definitely some good after market locking ones that are available for the Mustang though! We pay about 30 extra points on a similarly built car because of the US vs CDN dollar value which does suck a bit
@@CarsWithSteve Been talking with Ford Performance tech, they say something is in the works now. I compared some of the dash-plates and build dates of others, if that number is sequential, it looks like they'll only build about 1700 in 2020. With many going to Europe, that doesn't leave much of a market for aftermarket parts, but it does mean the cars will be rare.
@@chippinfoo So it's a good spot to be in to have one and keep it in good shape. If they're limiting the build to only 1700 units that'll definitely help the long term resale value
Luckily the seat moves up higher and the steering wheel is telescopic! Pedals aren't adjustable but with your seat up you shouldn't have an issue seeing out of the windshield
You could get some of the features but not all... the active valve exhaust can't be installed aftermarket easily or cheaply so I'd scrap that. With all the parts.. it would be better to pick and choose what's important to you. The 2016 will be out of the factory warranty so any work won't matter at this point. Here are some things you should consider: 3.55 TORSEN rear diff Strut / K brace Aftermarket Gauge Pack (side mounted unless you can find a scrapped EcoBoost with the gauges) GT Performance splitter Stage 1 ECU tune Cold air intake Those parts installed will probably run you the same cost as the HPP would be on a new Mustang EcoBoost but will give you more HP/torque than what the HPP would offer
@@Alex-jo2oi anytme! Extended warranty might be affected depending on what components are covered. ECU tune can affect the normal Ford factory warranty Best bet would be to contact Allstate to see what work could affect your warranty!
Thanks I have one no it's not a gt or sound like one but performance it will hold it's own yes you will always wounder mabe I have a gt but this car is fast a plus if don't know about Mustang they think it is a gt anyway lol Ron
Man, I can't find many reviews on the 6 speed manual. If there is a review with the manual, it doesn't have the Brembo brakes like mine does. I'm wondering if things changed for 2021.
The 6 speed 2021 HPP was next to impossible to find! It’s super rare for people to order that combination unfortunately but if I can hunt one down I’ll shoot it Edit: 2021 - there are no changes to the model. 2022 will be the same but there should be a nice upgrade coming to the 2023 models
@@CarsWithSteve I do have a 2021 Mustang EcoBoost HPP with the 6 Speed manual, and the Brembo brakes. Trust me I know how hard they are to find. I would let you review my car if you were in the Oregon area.
@@cadmando18 Hmm.. I wonder if that could be deemed an essential trip! Haven't had any luck up here yet but have a friend looking at dealer inventory trying to hunt one down
@@CarsWithSteve Well let me know. I can get you some pictures and more info if you'd just like to know about it. I haven't seen another EcoBoost with Brembo brakes yet. In fact, I have only seen one EcoBoost for sale with a 6 speed manual, and it wasn't even an HPP.
@@cadmando18 Even finding the HPP up here is a challenge - you've got a rare car! Never a bad thing. I'll put some ideas together on how I could use some pics and videos
Blind Spot (BLIS) is not standard when you get the HPP. You need to have the 201a package to get it! Having said that Ford is going to be including the Co-Pilot360 package in all trim levels of the 2021 Mustang. That'll give you: - Auto high beams - Blind Spot System - Lane Keeping/Centering System - Pre-Collision Assist - Rain Sensing Wipers If you haven't bought and you want the high performance package with cloth seats wait until the 2021 model to make sure you get the blind spot system as well!
It doesn't at all but you can tune to get the same performance. There are some pretty good aftermarket exhaust systems that can kick the sound up a notch though
You would get this car with a focus on extra performance so it's kinda pointless to get an HPP mustang if you are gonna use 87octane - the engine output will be markedly less than advertised and you might as well get just the regular performance pack and save your money. Don't encourage people to use regular gas on that car.
also you probably want to highlight the weight difference against the GT on the front end... it's a selling point to have much improved handling (esp. for those that don't need 480hp 5.0V8)
Thanks for the feedback. 87 octane is the recommended fuel by the manufacturer for the vehicle. Having said that, I did point out that performance would be improved with 89 or 91 octane. Completely agree that if you're going to upgrade to the HPP that you should absolutely consider strictly using the higher octane fuel. I'll look at adding more technical specs to future videos, especially the upcoming comparison ones! Appreciate the input.
Cars with Steve are you sure about the 87 octane recommendation? I own a 2018 ecoboost, and they recommend 91 or 93 octane for optimum performance. 87 octane will work, but it dumbs down the performance enough you can feel it. With a stage 1 tune alone, the base ecoboost becomes a very inexpensive canyon carver.
@@E52O4 That wording you used is key.. the 91 octane is recommended by enthusiasts for optimum performance whereas Ford recommends 87 as the minimum octane to run it. I'm going to have to come up with a video about octane level vs performance! Completely agree that if you start tuning or are considering the HPP you should definitely be using 91 in the car to get the best possible performance
Cars With Steve well, yes, the car won’t break if you pump 87 octane, the car will pull timing down it doesn’t blow. However, on this platform, the reduction in HP is significant. On the non HPP, it makes 280 hp and only makes 310 on 93 octane. It kinda sucks, but it is what it is... If someone is BUYING A PERFORMANCE trim (HIGH PERFORMANCE) it would defeat the purpose of paying extra, at least part of it, since it has other goodies.
Ahh I know! Readjusting from pain because of a shoulder injury that I needed to have surgery on. Think my physio worked it out finally so that shoulder adjustment is pretty much gone now
330 hp stock in the HPP.. stage 1 ECU to bump it up to 370ish, cold air intake to 380, E85 fuel map upgrade and you’re creeping up to a GT. These things have a hood starting point and a lot of potential
Well done! I don't know why I missed out on this EcoBoost with HPP when it first came out. I guess it was really due to V8 bias but honestly, the more I learn about this Mustang EcoBoost with the HPP the more impressed I am especially with that handling package and the fact Ford offers this in a 6 speed manual is the icing on the cake. I enjoy driving and not constant visits to the pump so this Mustang with 330+ horsepower, RWD, 6-speed manual, active exhaust and great MPGs is really getting my attention. Thanks and again well done!
Thank you! The V8 is a great option but the EcoBoost is surprising. The performance when I was behind the wheel was actually really good, I found it handled well and had some good pep.
If you went the EcoBoost route I'd say look at a Stage 1 tune to boost the HP by almost 50 points!
I have one.Traded a 2018 GT for it and glad. Do not get this car without the handling pack, its amazing. Best handling car I ever had. This wont out drag a V8, but around town the turbos instant torque is super fun to drive.
Completely agree on the handling pack. That magneride system makes this thing handle so well! The improved performance in the HPP is great. Are you looking at doing anything after market? ECU flash?
@@CarsWithSteve only if Ford comes out with one. Want to keep the warranty.
Awesome content! As far as aftermarket upgrades for this car, what would you recommend?
Appreciate that! For upgrades, that depends on what you want to do with it. For better acceleration you could look at swapping to a 3.73 axle ratio, especially if you're going to put it on the track. A stage 1, 2 or 3 ECU flash would be a good way to get a 20 - 60hp boost out of the car as well!
Should I get the one that's called the Eco Boost performance package? Or the one called 2.3L high performance package?
The 2023 EcoBoost only has the High Performance Package vs the GT which is the Performance Package. Going to come down to preference and what you're using the car for...
The HPP gives some great upgrades that would be useful for track handling but if you're never going to track the car you could save the cash and buy some better tires if you want a simple upgrade
Do you have a miniature camera attached to your sunglasses? lol!! because every time you move your head to look both ways, I'm like, how is he doing that? Hahahaha!!! I like the one Mustang you're driving now. I didn't care too much for the bright green one I watched a while ago. The one you're in now is really powerful. Love it!
Haha good catch! Wish I could chalk it up to editing magic but the sunglasses do have a built in camera lol. The HPP Mustang is an incredible ride! I have a friend who is about to do 15k of work in his stock EcoBoost (just the regular 2.3L) and it should push out close to 725 HP when it's all done. Have you had a chance to drive one of these yet?
@@CarsWithSteve I knew, I knew it!! lol!!! I knew there was a miniature camera in those sunglasses somewhere! lol!! Yes indeed it is incredible! Close to 725??!!! What??? Oh my gosh!! You drive that with 725 HP you'll leave a trail of fire behind you! Hahaha!!! And no, I haven't had a chance to drive one yet. But one day our lot attendant was moving vehicles around the lot and taking out the new ones from the showroom to display on the lot, and I just happen to be in one of our mustangs, just looking at everything in it, and all of a sudden he said start it up. I was like......are you serious!!?? :O lol!!! His reply was yes! I was so excited and just, just oh words cannot describe how I felt starting that baby up and driving it outside for him to park it on the lot. Well, after I got it outside he told me to go ahead and drive it around the dealership, again, I was like..........are you serious!!?? :O His reply was yes! I was ecstatic! Hahaha!!! And so sure enough, I drove it around the dealership because we have a big stretch of road behind our dealership, and so I drove it normally, and then it was "purring", and then I got down on it and it roared! lol!!! It sounded so good! And I of course left a trail of fire behind me sort of speak, because I made it roar! Hahahaha!!!! :) This is what I drove;
th-cam.com/video/ARvgVG6tDyo/w-d-xo.html And this is not our dealership, but it is the same exact car. :D
Missed this reply! Hah a trail of fire in a Mustang would be pretty cool to see. It sounds like you had a great experience with your first jump behind the wheel of the Mustang! And doing it in a 2018 5.0L GT would have given you such a incredible feeling. Awesome to hear that you're enjoying the dealership life so far :)
Hi there, would you recommend for me to get the normal version ecoboost or the HPP ecoboost?
Hi Guan! It depends on what you value in a car. If you're after more aggressive performance the HPP has some good things about it..
From a pure performance perspective the larger axle ratio will give you better acceleration, larger radiator will improve engine cooling, and steering is tighter with the sway bar and tuning. Having said that HPP only gives you a 20 horsepower boost.
But the HPP also gives you active valve exhaust, better summer tires, performance splitter and better brakes. Those pieces alone would cost you more than the HPP costs from the factory.
If you were to do the HPP in tandem with a factory approved ECU (to make sure you don't void warranty) that would be the perfect combo. An ECU tune that would give you 50 points and would run you a few hundred dollars.
Good work mate. Cheers.
Thanks Div!
I have the basic 2020 ecoboost should I upgrade to this 1? I want to save gas and have speed at the same time I don't want a GT
If you're in a 2020 it probably wouldn't make sense to take the hit on trading it in.. unless you can find a private buyer or dealership willing to pay top dollar.
You could do some simple tweaks to your EcoBoost to get it to push out more power though! Look at installing a freer flowing downpipe, cold air intake and a performance intercooler. The 3 pieces installed should only be a few thousand but would give you close to a 100hp boost. An ECU tune is also a good way to add an extra 40 - 100hp!
I just posted a video documenting the professional race car driver lap times of the Mustang EcoBoost 2.3L HPP compared to the GT, GT350R, and the GT500. Goodbye V8 dinosaurs.
Just had a chance to check it out - interesting video you out together! The EcoBoost has some great potential especially when you do simple upgrades like an ECU tune - it'll be interesting as these things eventually move into all electric
not how am i going to lock my gas cap? lol that's risky. door doesn't lock. can't wait til spring to try out those ventilated seats lol. the heat works too hot on the back lol. why is everything overpriced in canada lol? do they pay more or something? i doubt it lol.
I always thought the same thing with a capless system.. definitely some good after market locking ones that are available for the Mustang though!
We pay about 30 extra points on a similarly built car because of the US vs CDN dollar value which does suck a bit
Love it. Got my HPP HP Premium in July.
That's sick! This car surprised me so much when I took it for a spin for the first time. Planning on doing any after market mods to it?
@@CarsWithSteve Been talking with Ford Performance tech, they say something is in the works now. I compared some of the dash-plates and build dates of others, if that number is sequential, it looks like they'll only build about 1700 in 2020. With many going to Europe, that doesn't leave much of a market for aftermarket parts, but it does mean the cars will be rare.
@@chippinfoo So it's a good spot to be in to have one and keep it in good shape. If they're limiting the build to only 1700 units that'll definitely help the long term resale value
@@CarsWithSteve I have been corrected, there is no limit on production for 2020. Also they are intending for it to be continued in 2021.
Great review
Thanks so much!
Would this car be good for people who are 5’1 or 5’2 in height
Luckily the seat moves up higher and the steering wheel is telescopic! Pedals aren't adjustable but with your seat up you shouldn't have an issue seeing out of the windshield
@@CarsWithSteve thank you for rplying!
@@piratesacademy8144 You're welcome! If your local dealer has one, take it for a spin - the HPP Mustang EcoBoost is a great ride
Is it possible to install the hpp on my 2016 eco boost premium through my local ford dealer?
You could get some of the features but not all... the active valve exhaust can't be installed aftermarket easily or cheaply so I'd scrap that.
With all the parts.. it would be better to pick and choose what's important to you. The 2016 will be out of the factory warranty so any work won't matter at this point. Here are some things you should consider:
3.55 TORSEN rear diff
Strut / K brace
Aftermarket Gauge Pack (side mounted unless you can find a scrapped EcoBoost with the gauges)
GT Performance splitter
Stage 1 ECU tune
Cold air intake
Those parts installed will probably run you the same cost as the HPP would be on a new Mustang EcoBoost but will give you more HP/torque than what the HPP would offer
@@CarsWithSteve thanks!!! Also a quick question, would these mods affect my extended warranty through All State?
@@Alex-jo2oi anytme! Extended warranty might be affected depending on what components are covered. ECU tune can affect the normal Ford factory warranty
Best bet would be to contact Allstate to see what work could affect your warranty!
@@CarsWithSteve okay thanks again !
@@Alex-jo2oi anytime! Hope the build turns out well
Thanks I have one no it's not a gt or sound like one but performance it will hold it's own yes you will always wounder mabe I have a gt but this car is fast a plus if don't know about Mustang they think it is a gt anyway lol
Ron
throw in a stage 1 ECU tune and you're even closer to that GT power! How are you liking it so far?
Man, I can't find many reviews on the 6 speed manual. If there is a review with the manual, it doesn't have the Brembo brakes like mine does. I'm wondering if things changed for 2021.
The 6 speed 2021 HPP was next to impossible to find! It’s super rare for people to order that combination unfortunately but if I can hunt one down I’ll shoot it
Edit: 2021 - there are no changes to the model. 2022 will be the same but there should be a nice upgrade coming to the 2023 models
@@CarsWithSteve I do have a 2021 Mustang EcoBoost HPP with the 6 Speed manual, and the Brembo brakes. Trust me I know how hard they are to find.
I would let you review my car if you were in the Oregon area.
@@cadmando18 Hmm.. I wonder if that could be deemed an essential trip! Haven't had any luck up here yet but have a friend looking at dealer inventory trying to hunt one down
@@CarsWithSteve Well let me know. I can get you some pictures and more info if you'd just like to know about it. I haven't seen another EcoBoost with Brembo brakes yet. In fact, I have only seen one EcoBoost for sale with a 6 speed manual, and it wasn't even an HPP.
@@cadmando18 Even finding the HPP up here is a challenge - you've got a rare car! Never a bad thing. I'll put some ideas together on how I could use some pics and videos
Does it comes with a blindspot assist?
Blind Spot (BLIS) is not standard when you get the HPP. You need to have the 201a package to get it! Having said that Ford is going to be including the Co-Pilot360 package in all trim levels of the 2021 Mustang. That'll give you:
- Auto high beams
- Blind Spot System
- Lane Keeping/Centering System
- Pre-Collision Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
If you haven't bought and you want the high performance package with cloth seats wait until the 2021 model to make sure you get the blind spot system as well!
Did you call the strut bar a roll bar?!
Hah that's a good question! Timecode by chance? Honestly, these videos can get pretty detailed so I may have misspoke
. I get the fact the 2.3 L engine Is far cheaper on fuel and is quite quick as well it does not have the roar of a V8 !
It doesn't at all but you can tune to get the same performance. There are some pretty good aftermarket exhaust systems that can kick the sound up a notch though
Are you from Canada?
Yes I am! Ontario local. How about yourself?
@@CarsWithSteve If you're from Ontario and want reviews of great sport cars go to the Sonic meetings in Cheektowaga NY every thrusday 6-9pm...
@@alaninny Damn that's a great idea! Once the borders are opened up again I'm going to have to look at making a trip out
@@CarsWithSteve Yes, I have uploaded some videos so you can get an idea.
Looks like Dundas & Garden in Whitby, near where I live 😀
How can I get this car
If you’re in Ontario drop in and see me! Let me know your city and state/province and if you aren’t local I can recommend someone your way instead
You would get this car with a focus on extra performance so it's kinda pointless to get an HPP mustang if you are gonna use 87octane - the engine output will be markedly less than advertised and you might as well get just the regular performance pack and save your money. Don't encourage people to use regular gas on that car.
also you probably want to highlight the weight difference against the GT on the front end... it's a selling point to have much improved handling (esp. for those that don't need 480hp 5.0V8)
Thanks for the feedback. 87 octane is the recommended fuel by the manufacturer for the vehicle. Having said that, I did point out that performance would be improved with 89 or 91 octane. Completely agree that if you're going to upgrade to the HPP that you should absolutely consider strictly using the higher octane fuel.
I'll look at adding more technical specs to future videos, especially the upcoming comparison ones! Appreciate the input.
Cars with Steve are you sure about the 87 octane recommendation? I own a 2018 ecoboost, and they recommend 91 or 93 octane for optimum performance. 87 octane will work, but it dumbs down the performance enough you can feel it.
With a stage 1 tune alone, the base ecoboost becomes a very inexpensive canyon carver.
@@E52O4 That wording you used is key.. the 91 octane is recommended by enthusiasts for optimum performance whereas Ford recommends 87 as the minimum octane to run it. I'm going to have to come up with a video about octane level vs performance!
Completely agree that if you start tuning or are considering the HPP you should definitely be using 91 in the car to get the best possible performance
Cars With Steve well, yes, the car won’t break if you pump 87 octane, the car will pull timing down it doesn’t blow. However, on this platform, the reduction in HP is significant. On the non HPP, it makes 280 hp and only makes 310 on 93 octane. It kinda sucks, but it is what it is...
If someone is BUYING A PERFORMANCE trim (HIGH PERFORMANCE) it would defeat the purpose of paying extra, at least part of it, since it has other goodies.
What's with the constant twitching of your right shoulder? Somewhat annoying to watch
Ahh I know! Readjusting from pain because of a shoulder injury that I needed to have surgery on. Think my physio worked it out finally so that shoulder adjustment is pretty much gone now
For that money, I’d rather buy a GT (and I’m an ecoboost owner!).
I agree! For $53k you could get a GT 401a with PP2 that has Magneride and all of the extra performance upgrades that come with it
Lol ecoboost and performance in the same sentence
330 hp stock in the HPP.. stage 1 ECU to bump it up to 370ish, cold air intake to 380, E85 fuel map upgrade and you’re creeping up to a GT. These things have a hood starting point and a lot of potential
Please stop twitching your shoulder man what’s wrong with you
That's a weird thing to say to someone, what if I had tourette's syndrome or damage from having my shoulder operated on after an MMA injury?
Sounds like poop
Compared to what? A GT? Absolutely.. but a modded civic? Lol not so much