7:41 😅😅😅🤣🤣🤣 I love this community, I've bought loads from Andertons music, from my very first fender telecaster special edition to my very first valve fender bass breaker head and cab, also nearly finished my pedal board too with these guys, just 10/10 quality and support, I will always buy my gear from you captain.....I'm tearing up here, I love you guys!
Please Forgive me for saying this, but, the Germanium Tumnus sounds the best to me... I own a Lumpy's Unobtainium Tone Bender, and that thing sounds Amazing... There is something Organic that happens to the attack of the tone when Germanium is used... The attack is more tube like than any other pedal, including the actual Klons... Of course temperature does affect Germanium, if its too hot or cold, the pedal may or may not work as expected... Which is why Hendrix switched from Germanium to Silicon, Silicon is not as good sounding, but more reliable...
I love my Tumnus and don't think this will be much different but I'm still getting one because Brian is the coolest nerd online and totally deserves the support.
It’s not different enough to worry me over missing it. I run my Centaur style pedals with the gain absolutely cranked. You’re missing out if you use it as a boost.
While not cranked, I like to use them as a gain boost rather than a clean boost. That means you gotta have the gain high enough to engage the clipping diodes, which are at the end of the circuit. While not maxed out, you still gotta run it past 12! 😉
@@dannyllerenatv8635this how i used a klone as a sick dirty boost but with the gain higher than a typical dirty boost. I Had a sugar drive and i would have gain and volume at 1 oclock and the tone at noon or 1 going into a gained up amp or pedal
That’s the biggest difference with all of these klones. Yeah you can get similar tones to a klon if you only have the gain half way up. When you goose it (which is the only way to run that pedal imo) there are big differences.
You should use a looper pedal and have Pete play a loop and then switch it through all the pedals. The youll really figure out how similar they all are. Because not every pot is exactly the same so you’ll have to tweak each one a tiny bit. But you’ll make them all sound the same. And yet knowing this…. I still keep buying the damn things. 😂
Exactly what I was thinking... unless you lose the slightest something through the looper? But yeah, that would eliminate the whole variance in pick attack thing
I've seen the Tumnus win about three shootouts here and I haven't bought one previously so when I saw the Germanium was still available I just went for it. Do I need it? No. Will I regret buying it? No.
I agree. I keep coming back to watch Klon videos out of curiosity and they just don't ever seem to appeal to me. I always end up shrugging them off thinking "they're alright, I guess..." Just not for me I suppose.
Pete's quite correct - there's a tad more treble evident in the standard Tumnus when I listen through headphones. But when Lee compensated for that, they were virtually indistinguishable. I've wanted a Tumnus for a while, so I thought "What the heck - pre-order the new one! 😉". Who cares whether it goes up in value or not - it sounds great! - (as does the standard one!) 😊
Pete messing with the treble during Lee's LP demo around 10:30 is the proof that these ALL sound the same when tweaked. No lie that just eased my entire mind, actually a little astonished at how little change there was...not even a click from the switch was heard.
The best way to do it is to play some chords into a looper pedal and loop it and then adjust the pedals because the playing would be exactly the same for each pedal
Thinking to myself "Am I the only schmuck who went with the silicon Tumnus mini over the deluxe to save a few $$ only to just now buy the germanium to get closer? siiiiiiigh..."
@@roughcutguitars I bought the original mini because it was closer to the original Klon than the deluxe was. But I also found myself having already bought the germanium one too... sigh
I really like the way Brian tuned the Tumnus Deluxe tone stack, especially the Mids control. You can make some really interesting tones playing with that.
I've wanted a BD-2 now for a few years. I actually just ordered an Angry Driver so, technically I have th BD-2 coming with a JHS modified Angry Charlie built in. I'm hoping that will fulfill my desires lol
Maybe because a few moments after Pete has his rant, Pete himself starts realising they do actually sound a bit different, closer to the original circuits and generally nicer in the mid range. of course it's subtle, it's just the vintage diodes that are different, but there IS a difference whether people like it or not. Doesn't mean you have to want one or prefer one over a cheaper tumnus, or now crave one just because it's a rarity and therefore collector's item. But the fact is they are more similar to the original Klons, making them basically identical,, and it's the rarity of the components and therefore ability to produce that have pushed them into being collector's items. Everyone's so busy being all salty and reactionary about it, it makes me wonder if they do realize the sound is closer and therefore they are salty about not being able to get one now and kid themselves that there's no difference at all...even though everyone actually testing them out in person, including Pete here, admit there is clearly a difference.
@@mr.giggles4995the klon never used germanium transistors. It used 4 op Amps. Germanium diodes is correct. Mr. opinion is wrong 😢 good name for a joker though 🎉
@@mr.giggles4995 not in this case, the original Klons utilized germanium diodes with a relatively low forward voltage and that's what Wampler is replicating here.
There is a subtle different though, it's audible even on youtube and they even say themselves it sounds just slightly fuller and warmer. The diodes will have an effect it's just really slight, since obviously they are otherwise the same circuitry.
I have a Tumnus Deluxe (thanks to your 10 pedal blind challenge), and a JHS Notaklon. I'm done with buying Klons. They go great with a Bluesbreaker and Nobels ODR1 (Browne Protein 😉), Blues Driver, Tubescreamer, and endless other pedals, or all by themselves. Anxiously awaiting 1,000,000 subscribers 😂
This so true with almost all overdrives .... most of them can be tweaked to sound almost indistinguishable from each other ..... play in a mix and it can be more difficult to tell the difference.
First, thanks for the laughs! Second, thanks for proving once again that every potentiometer has slight differences in its sweep. Take and tweak 30 of any pedal, and once they all sound alike you’ll see tiny differences, in where each pot is pointing. I have a Tumnus Deluxe, which I love, I plan on winning the Klon you give away 😂, and I ordered the new JHS Notaklön just because. They all have amazing sound!
Honestly, some days I either love or dislike the sound of Klon gain in isolation. However, it just works in the context of blues or country. It feels good under the fingers and cuts through a mix.
Something that never gets brought up, is the fact that the potentiometers can look like they are pointing in the same direction but can be a discernable difference in resistance. If you were to take them out of the enclosure and Multimeter the readings of the knobs to the same. Then you will not have a difference. My two cents as a pedal builder.
That's fair. Response definitely makes a difference to the player, which is why all video reviews are just the first step. You need to play things yourself.
I have archer and Jeff beck archer. The Jeff beck is cleaner. And u dial up get close. Now full blast concert volume. Like beck at would use. 5 percent cleaner. Is nice. Every 1 percent cleaner at concert volume is great. But at home
Please Forgive me for saying this, but, the Germanium Tumnus sounds the best to me... I own a Lumpy's Unobtainium Tone Bender, and that thing sounds Amazing... There is something Organic that happens to the attack of the tone when Germanium is used... The attack is more tube like than any other pedal, including the actual Klons... Of course temperature does affect Germanium, if its too hot or cold, the pedal may or may not work as expected... Which is why Hendrix switched from Germanium to Silicon, Silicon is not as good sounding, but more reliable...
Josh Scott is correct you need to turn gain past 9 o clock on the pedal to actually get the diodes to engage in the circuit otherwise its just a very expensive clean boost
The germanium to me sounds a little more transparent. It's more a Drive whereas the golden pedal sounds a little more distorted. Even after the gain/treble adjustments.
Thank you for doing these pedal comparisons I used to watch these on that pedal show but now it's that not pedal show. Now it's that interview show or that q&a if you pay show. so thank you Anderton's.
You know generally I can’t stand pretentious gear snobs or “flash” but if anyone is going to own 2 klon’s I’m glad it’s Lee Anderton he’s one of the few people that would use them to point out how ridiculous owning even one of them is 😂
I have each version of the Wampler tumnus. There is a difference in sound and mostly the feel when you play it. The new germanium has that extra 1% and under the fingers feels amazing.
As Pete summarized it correctly in 3 secs: "It doesn't matter anymore." These sound pretty much the same. Even I was able to match the sounds playing along while watching the video, using the MythDrive in the Quad Cortex or the Unobtanium pedal and my Les Paul.
The teeny tiny differences in pedals could be due to a few factors, but even if it was just the pedals control pots for example, the tolerances can be anywhere from +/-5% to +/-20, and the more pots the signal goes through, three in this case, the more that tolerance difference adds up. Saying that, to my ears, these pedals all so damn close, that I'd never be able to spot the difference in a blind test, or in a mix. I don't own a Klon, or clone of one, but if I was gonna get one, I'd be quite happy with the gold Tumnus. It sounds nice, and so close to the originals, that any miniscule difference would neither matter nor be noticed by me. AND, it's a reasonable price.
sooo...in a nutshell....i ordered a wampler tumnus (gold) but i did also get some geranium ( no not germanium by the way i am german...) flowers for our window boxes at the front of our house....and they weren't sold out either...how great is that....cheers....from southwest germanium......
I bought the Germanium Tumnus when it came out and fell in love instantly. Much better size than those big-arsed rich man's Klons, too. I think all the germaniums have very slightly more character but yeah, they're all pretty close.
I got mine in the mail Saturday. I was going to compare it to my gold Tumnus, but my two and a half year old granddaughter uses my pedals for toys and I can’t find where she put it. Will I let her play with the new one that is going for $1000? I let her "play" my Custom Shop Tele, so, yeah, but we are going to work on putting them away.
Very entertaining video chaps. I have a mini Tumnus and the Deluxe on different boards and mostly use them for boosting my other gain pedals, like RAT's, etc. They excel at that. All of these sound similar enough to not worry about any perceived differences. The Deluxe has extra tone shaping options but TBH the mini is so simple and effective that I prefer that. I would choose the Germanium for looks alone but not at any of the inflated resale prices. The next test would be to put a switcher in between each of the circuit boards and use the same 3 pots for each. That would be interesting!
Update on having and playing my Tumnus Germanium for 3 weeks. It’s never coming off my board…. I have the deluxe, which is great but the germanium sounds warmer without cutting too much treble and feels better… it’s spongier with the attack. Feel is getting close to my original 67’ Super Reverb… saggy….. I always loved the idea of running one as a clean boost and one slightly overdriven…. Where the germanium shines is at the edge of breakup paired with a Euphoria or TS. I can’t imagine a better sound with a strat than that…..
I believe JHS are still taking orders on their solderless DIY Klon clone kit, the aptly named NOTAKLON for $99. It seems to sound pretty close to the original.
Brian W, if you see this, why do a limited run of a pedal that’s obviously spot on with the original Klons? I see the Wampler website says second run is sold out get on the waiting list for future runs…
The original Tumnus was nearly identical but always had a slight upward shift, tiny bit less low-mids, tiny bit more treble. The Germanium is spot on. But you could always lower the treble slightly and get the original there.
Got a tumnus deluxe and a silver archer (amongst 10 other non clone drives) and since my $99 Notaklone showed up it's the only pedal the bands visiting my studio have used. Crazy, it's all unicorns and fluffy rainbows and guitar player eat it up......
Have you considdered adding a sustainiac equipped guitar to your demo roster? That way you could play a single chord and just have it sustain during an AB similar to that opening.
Germanium Tumnus clips smoother that the Silly-con. It's enough for that "higher pitch" perception on that Gold Tumnus. Best way? Get a LOOP PEDAL and a GRAPHIC EQUALIZER on any DAW and just see it.
The Germanium Wampler does have a little warmth compared to the regular Wampler. Close though and in a mix, it doesn’t matter. All 4 would deliver. Germanic seems to also have a little more bite in the mid range.
JHS should totally do a Klonsai but every one of the 9 settings is exactly the same (I say that sarcastically having ordered this pedal 5 mins into the vid)
I thought of getting a Klone to fatten up my Plexi build, or my IR-X. But I got a MojoMojo PG edition recently. Mr Gilbert is right. It did fatten up that sometimes thin and usually trebly Superlead tone. As for Klones, the Warm Audio one seems decent, as does this one, but the Ceriatone one seems like the way to go perhaps - apart from not many music shops have them. P.S. Putting all the knobs in the same place is not the best way to compare. Potentiometers all tend to be a little different. Pedals need to be dialed in to sound the same, rather than having the knobs set the same.
I love my Centura. Hand built and gives the authentic look, feel, and sound. Wouldn't trade for anything.... except a real Klon to sell and buy a Murphy LP and another Centura😅
Love your channel! It’s too bad you’re slightly outside my prime shipping region (roughly 9k kilometers +\-) otherwise I’d be a loyal customer. I went through the Klon black hole not long after Brian put out the 1st Tumnus. As awesome as that germanium probably is I’m convinced that the Klon circuit has been mastered. Regardless of whose clone you choose it’s just a lateral move. If you wanna look cool, get your big wallet out and buy one with the little guy on it (I sold both of mine and felt like Warren Buffett after I made a couple thousand dollars collectively selling them each for $3500🤣) now whenever I actually reach for one, I just use the deluxe Tumnus and call it good
I got my Tumnus (the "normal" one) a few months ago and I like it a lot. I like the colour, and that it only has 3 knobs, and that it is small. Sounds good I guess. It filled my "classic triumvirate". A Tube Screamer, a Klon and a Fuzz Face.
Just love wampler pedals full stop. Not into the marketing strategies of any company but it’s gotta be done in this world. They all sound great and the originals are not worth it unless you want one for sentimental purposes 😊
I actually just couldn’t bond with the Belle (ODR1) too much bass and treble for my sound maybe, and when dialed back was muddy. Very keen to try a Tumnus but I have the JHS modded (meat and 3) soul food. FOMO though haha
Looking at the prices that are already paid at Reverb, I'm really thinking of selling mine after only a few days of testing it and going for the golden version instead. The used market is really broken ...
You've got all the pedals with the overdrive at 9 o'clock except for the original Tumnus it's at 930 or 10 o'clock then you lower the tone so you're making it sound completely different than the other ones on purpose
In a mix or in fact alongside any other noise in the room they are the same... If you don't get hung up on the visuals for where the knobs are pointing you can make them all the same.
Managed to secure one of the Germaniums when Anderton's somehow got an extra 20 or so of these from Wampler this week...I was actually shaking at checkout in case I wasn't quick enough lol. Then in my smug state, I stayed on the site to watch the real time stock levels deplete in a matter of minutes.
From all those 4 pedals that sound exactly the same, i like the sound of the normal tumnus the best. Sounds like i can afford to replace it if it breaks on the road...😂
They're very close but to my ears the silicon Tumnus is a touch brighter and thinner than the other 3. The original Klons and the Tumnus germanium are virtually indistinguishable, esp over TH-cam.
The germanium ones sound better to my ears. I might never heard that on a gig after adjusting things and in fact, the extra treble might not be the end of the world when you’re competing with cymbals, keyboards and singers who love their high shelf EQs. The other thing to note is that silicon is more stable. Germanium reacts more to its environment and can sound a bit different from summer to winter (especially if most of your gear lives in your car like mine does when I’m in the middle of a busy gigging week). I like the germanium more and that tracks in real life when I put my germanium tumnus up against a silicon pedal of similar ilk. But it ultimately doesn’t matter. Use what you can afford. Use what inspires you. At the end of the day, your gear is the *last* thing that makes you the musician you are.
7:41 😅😅😅🤣🤣🤣 I love this community, I've bought loads from Andertons music, from my very first fender telecaster special edition to my very first valve fender bass breaker head and cab, also nearly finished my pedal board too with these guys, just 10/10 quality and support, I will always buy my gear from you captain.....I'm tearing up here, I love you guys!
Do you drink soy milk?
Ha Ha - thats the best comment ever. I'm going to pin it - thank you!! Lee
yes - read the description in the video or on the Tumnus GE page on our site - shipment 2 is explained...@@NS-tc9kk
Your the best! @@andertons
Please Forgive me for saying this, but, the Germanium Tumnus sounds the best to me...
I own a Lumpy's Unobtainium Tone Bender, and that thing sounds Amazing...
There is something Organic that happens to the attack of the tone when Germanium is used... The attack is more tube like than any other pedal, including the actual Klons...
Of course temperature does affect Germanium, if its too hot or cold, the pedal may or may not work as expected... Which is why Hendrix switched from Germanium to Silicon, Silicon is not as good sounding, but more reliable...
I love my Tumnus and don't think this will be much different but I'm still getting one because Brian is the coolest nerd online and totally deserves the support.
It’s not different enough to worry me over missing it. I run my Centaur style pedals with the gain absolutely cranked. You’re missing out if you use it as a boost.
This is the way
While not cranked, I like to use them as a gain boost rather than a clean boost. That means you gotta have the gain high enough to engage the clipping diodes, which are at the end of the circuit. While not maxed out, you still gotta run it past 12! 😉
Nah I run a clean boost Klon style pedal into other Klon. 😂
@@dannyllerenatv8635this how i used a klone as a sick dirty boost but with the gain higher than a typical dirty boost. I Had a sugar drive and i would have gain and volume at 1 oclock and the tone at noon or 1 going into a gained up amp or pedal
That’s the biggest difference with all of these klones. Yeah you can get similar tones to a klon if you only have the gain half way up. When you goose it (which is the only way to run that pedal imo) there are big differences.
You should use a looper pedal and have Pete play a loop and then switch it through all the pedals. The youll really figure out how similar they all are. Because not every pot is exactly the same so you’ll have to tweak each one a tiny bit. But you’ll make them all sound the same. And yet knowing this…. I still keep buying the damn things. 😂
Exactly what I was thinking... unless you lose the slightest something through the looper?
But yeah, that would eliminate the whole variance in pick attack thing
Bought immediately because I’m a schmuk
😂
Don't worry it'll be worth 30 bucks twenty years from now
@@evanward430330 schmucks?
I've seen the Tumnus win about three shootouts here and I haven't bought one previously so when I saw the Germanium was still available I just went for it. Do I need it? No. Will I regret buying it? No.
The question is did you watch the WHOLE video before you bought it? Cause I didn’t so I may be the bigger schmuk. 😂
I am not a fan of Klons, don’t own one, probably never will, but still watched the video beginning to end just because you two are so entertaining!
I agree. I keep coming back to watch Klon videos out of curiosity and they just don't ever seem to appeal to me. I always end up shrugging them off thinking "they're alright, I guess..." Just not for me I suppose.
Pete's quite correct - there's a tad more treble evident in the standard Tumnus when I listen through headphones. But when Lee compensated for that, they were virtually indistinguishable. I've wanted a Tumnus for a while, so I thought "What the heck - pre-order the new one! 😉". Who cares whether it goes up in value or not - it sounds great! - (as does the standard one!) 😊
Might as well get the unobtanium germanium one while we can, right!?
@@maidenthe80sla200 IQ play
@@maidenthe80sla no you can never have enough. I have 2 set at different settings... and a Gearbox....
Pete messing with the treble during Lee's LP demo around 10:30 is the proof that these ALL sound the same when tweaked. No lie that just eased my entire mind, actually a little astonished at how little change there was...not even a click from the switch was heard.
True . As we are with danish pete took me back to "The Emperor's New Clothes"...
The best way to do it is to play some chords into a looper pedal and loop it and then adjust the pedals because the playing would be exactly the same for each pedal
You will never play with the same force on the string. Be it any pedal or amp or both.
@@jamfre1141 That's why I say to use a looper pedal.
@@4vinylsoundI wanted to say something different, but I agree with your opinion)
The Tumnus Deluxe is the one you want, because it has the 3 band EQ, so you can dial it in any way you want.
Bingo
Thinking to myself "Am I the only schmuck who went with the silicon Tumnus mini over the deluxe to save a few $$ only to just now buy the germanium to get closer?
siiiiiiigh..."
@@roughcutguitars I bought the original mini because it was closer to the original Klon than the deluxe was. But I also found myself having already bought the germanium one too... sigh
I really like the way Brian tuned the Tumnus Deluxe tone stack, especially the Mids control. You can make some really interesting tones playing with that.
I buy so many drive pedals, but I always just go back to my BD-2.
You’d think I would have learned my lesson by now. But I haven’t lol
Same! I even bought a BD-2W and still went back to the BD-2.
I've wanted a BD-2 now for a few years. I actually just ordered an Angry Driver so, technically I have th BD-2 coming with a JHS modified Angry Charlie built in. I'm hoping that will fulfill my desires lol
Yeah, BD-2 is just the best.
When Lee tweaked the treble down a hair, the gold Tumnus and Klon 1 sounded EXACTLY the same. Like absolutely identical
Was starting to worry that there hasnt been a new klon this week, eagerly awaiting tomorrows new tubescreamer pedal review......
I'm so glad there are many pedals now that have a kind of Klon sound to them in a more cheap, but well made package.
I don’t know why a 20 minutes long video when we can get all the information we need with Pete’s 3 seconds review.
Maybe because a few moments after Pete has his rant, Pete himself starts realising they do actually sound a bit different, closer to the original circuits and generally nicer in the mid range. of course it's subtle, it's just the vintage diodes that are different, but there IS a difference whether people like it or not. Doesn't mean you have to want one or prefer one over a cheaper tumnus, or now crave one just because it's a rarity and therefore collector's item. But the fact is they are more similar to the original Klons, making them basically identical,, and it's the rarity of the components and therefore ability to produce that have pushed them into being collector's items. Everyone's so busy being all salty and reactionary about it, it makes me wonder if they do realize the sound is closer and therefore they are salty about not being able to get one now and kid themselves that there's no difference at all...even though everyone actually testing them out in person, including Pete here, admit there is clearly a difference.
You get two. Have one cranked. Jeff beck mod archer great
I love Pete's reaction when beginning the comparison 6:23. It's funny how we're in a loop of comparing Klons forever now. Made me laugh. Great job
Best review in ages! Great work guys!
Using a Tumnus to gain stack with your favorite overdrive pedal is absolute magic
Which one and order ?
I believe we're talking germanium diodes as opposed to transistors in this case... for what that's worth.
He called them germanium transistors but i think you are correct. Also the original should have germanium diodes as well. They all should
Germanium transistors vs silicon transistors.
@@mr.giggles4995the klon never used germanium transistors. It used 4 op Amps. Germanium diodes is correct. Mr. opinion is wrong 😢 good name for a joker though 🎉
@@mr.giggles4995 not in this case, the original Klons utilized germanium diodes with a relatively low forward voltage and that's what Wampler is replicating here.
My bad - I don't really understand these things at a copmponent level - I just know which boxes make a good noise when you stomp on them :)
12:22. Anyone else catch that? Captain didn’t realize Pete was cycling through all four pedals. That’s how little he can tell difference in the room.
There is a subtle different though, it's audible even on youtube and they even say themselves it sounds just slightly fuller and warmer. The diodes will have an effect it's just really slight, since obviously they are otherwise the same circuitry.
I have a Tumnus Deluxe (thanks to your 10 pedal blind challenge), and a JHS Notaklon. I'm done with buying Klons. They go great with a Bluesbreaker and Nobels ODR1 (Browne Protein 😉), Blues Driver, Tubescreamer, and endless other pedals, or all by themselves.
Anxiously awaiting 1,000,000 subscribers 😂
Get the archer Jeff beck mod. Best one
This so true with almost all overdrives .... most of them can be tweaked to sound almost indistinguishable from each other ..... play in a mix and it can be more difficult to tell the difference.
First, thanks for the laughs! Second, thanks for proving once again that every potentiometer has slight differences in its sweep. Take and tweak 30 of any pedal, and once they all sound alike you’ll see tiny differences, in where each pot is pointing. I have a Tumnus Deluxe, which I love, I plan on winning the Klon you give away 😂, and I ordered the new JHS Notaklön just because. They all have amazing sound!
Honestly, some days I either love or dislike the sound of Klon gain in isolation. However, it just works in the context of blues or country. It feels good under the fingers and cuts through a mix.
I've had the Tumnus Deluxe for a while. It's by far my favorite OD pedal
Something that never gets brought up, is the fact that the potentiometers can look like they are pointing in the same direction but can be a discernable difference in resistance. If you were to take them out of the enclosure and Multimeter the readings of the knobs to the same. Then you will not have a difference. My two cents as a pedal builder.
Indeed, same with People comparing amps and synths, people seem to think knob pointers lining up means they're all the same !
I think they alluded to that in their own haphazard communication style way (Sorry Lee & Pete - love you both, but...)
@roughcutguitars I agree they did, however, I am mostly referring to the majority of other this vs that pedal style video.
To me the original Wampler Tumnus sounds the best!
Germanium clips much softer than silicon and for me it's a difference you feel when you hit the strings vs it sounding so much different.
That's fair. Response definitely makes a difference to the player, which is why all video reviews are just the first step. You need to play things yourself.
I have archer and Jeff beck archer. The Jeff beck is cleaner. And u dial up get close. Now full blast concert volume. Like beck at would use. 5 percent cleaner. Is nice. Every 1 percent cleaner at concert volume is great. But at home
Fastest episode ever, Ticktok videos eat your heart out
Please Forgive me for saying this, but, the Germanium Tumnus sounds the best to me...
I own a Lumpy's Unobtainium Tone Bender, and that thing sounds Amazing...
There is something Organic that happens to the attack of the tone when Germanium is used... The attack is more tube like than any other pedal, including the actual Klons...
Of course temperature does affect Germanium, if its too hot or cold, the pedal may or may not work as expected... Which is why Hendrix switched from Germanium to Silicon, Silicon is not as good sounding, but more reliable...
Josh Scott is correct you need to turn gain past 9 o clock on the pedal to actually get the diodes to engage in the circuit otherwise its just a very expensive clean boost
Interesting!
The germanium to me sounds a little more transparent. It's more a
Drive whereas the golden pedal sounds a little more distorted. Even after the gain/treble adjustments.
The Wampler Tumnus (V2) is the best OD pedal on the market. Its really that simple. If the Germanium sounded different, I'd buy it. But, it doesn't.
The Klons and Greeny need to take a rest for awhile! 😂
Thank you for doing these pedal comparisons I used to watch these on that pedal show but now it's that not pedal show. Now it's that interview show or that q&a if you pay show. so thank you Anderton's.
You know generally I can’t stand pretentious gear snobs or “flash” but if anyone is going to own 2 klon’s I’m glad it’s Lee Anderton he’s one of the few people that would use them to point out how ridiculous owning even one of them is 😂
And I only bought 2 because one is being given away when we get to a million subs!
Thank you guys for making my morning wonderful
I feel like "Pete's 3-second Review" could be its own show.
The funny thing about those videos is that they always start from "there's no difference" and end with "there actually is a difference"
I have each version of the Wampler tumnus. There is a difference in sound and mostly the feel when you play it. The new germanium has that extra 1% and under the fingers feels amazing.
I'm an 80s baby, so I kinda want it just for the red and grey color scheme.
I really like what the germanium diodes did to Pete's hair!
As Pete summarized it correctly in 3 secs: "It doesn't matter anymore." These sound pretty much the same. Even I was able to match the sounds playing along while watching the video, using the MythDrive in the Quad Cortex or the Unobtanium pedal and my Les Paul.
Brian Wampler's video on this is brilliant as us Josh Smith's on the inspired Notaklon kit.
What I'd like to know is why the hell he didn't do this in the Tumnus Deluxe form factor?
that's next and everyone will have to buy it too
Got mine today!! Oh how reveling it is. I need to learn how to play again!
The teeny tiny differences in pedals could be due to a few factors, but even if it was just the pedals control pots for example, the tolerances can be anywhere from +/-5% to +/-20, and the more pots the signal goes through, three in this case, the more that tolerance difference adds up. Saying that, to my ears, these pedals all so damn close, that I'd never be able to spot the difference in a blind test, or in a mix. I don't own a Klon, or clone of one, but if I was gonna get one, I'd be quite happy with the gold Tumnus. It sounds nice, and so close to the originals, that any miniscule difference would neither matter nor be noticed by me. AND, it's a reasonable price.
sooo...in a nutshell....i ordered a wampler tumnus (gold) but i did also get some geranium ( no not germanium by the way i am german...) flowers for our window boxes at the front of our house....and they weren't sold out either...how great is that....cheers....from southwest germanium......
I listened... and I listened some more... and at the end checked the Tumnus Germanium price on ebay ... INSANE!!!
Ordered a Wampler Tumnus Deluxe.
They all sound the saaaaaaaame :D :D :D 12:20 Lee: "I can't tell the difference between the two" - really? Because ... there were four of 'em :D :D
1:30am USA west coast, is when this video was posted, and I can't be happier, night owl USA musicians 💖 and sub now .
5am here in NYC and I already snagged mine :)
I’m Australian and it’s similar here, but 9pm. Have Andertons gone early with this? Nothing on any Wampler socials or any other reseller either!
I bought the Germanium Tumnus when it came out and fell in love instantly. Much better size than those big-arsed rich man's Klons, too. I think all the germaniums have very slightly more character but yeah, they're all pretty close.
16:19 Lee: It sounds good without anything.
Eddie Van Halen: Exactly.
That graph going to a million is suspiciously flat i imagin, to bad i would love you to have a million subscribers imho you guys deserve that! ❤
I got mine in the mail Saturday. I was going to compare it to my gold Tumnus, but my two and a half year old granddaughter uses my pedals for toys and I can’t find where she put it. Will I let her play with the new one that is going for $1000? I let her "play" my Custom Shop Tele, so, yeah, but we are going to work on putting them away.
The original tumnus is still a great klone for the money and availability.
Very entertaining video chaps. I have a mini Tumnus and the Deluxe on different boards and mostly use them for boosting my other gain pedals, like RAT's, etc. They excel at that. All of these sound similar enough to not worry about any perceived differences. The Deluxe has extra tone shaping options but TBH the mini is so simple and effective that I prefer that. I would choose the Germanium for looks alone but not at any of the inflated resale prices.
The next test would be to put a switcher in between each of the circuit boards and use the same 3 pots for each. That would be interesting!
Fantastic intro 😂🎉
I'd have thrown Pete's Purple Centura in the mix for giggles.
Oh my good gracious all of Pete’s mouth noises at the beginning. Give that man a water.
Update on having and playing my Tumnus Germanium for 3 weeks. It’s never coming off my board…. I have the deluxe, which is great but the germanium sounds warmer without cutting too much treble and feels better… it’s spongier with the attack. Feel is getting close to my original 67’ Super Reverb… saggy….. I always loved the idea of running one as a clean boost and one slightly overdriven…. Where the germanium shines is at the edge of breakup paired with a Euphoria or TS. I can’t imagine a better sound with a strat than that…..
I bought a klon knockoff, and I fried it the first night by overloading the voltage. Bought a tumnus immediately after…rock solid.
The Les Paul sounds amazing through all four. I’ve got a Way Huge Conspiracy Theory and it sounds amazing as well. This is the golden age of pedals.
I believe JHS are still taking orders on their solderless DIY Klon clone kit, the aptly named NOTAKLON for $99. It seems to sound pretty close to the original.
Mine is arriving tomorrow...although I don't get to build it until Christmas day
It's because it has goop.
The gold tummnus sound clearer and with more treble than the others. But is so subtle that it won't matter.
Waiting for the comparison of the Wampler Germanium Tumnus DELUXE released last week. 🤣🤣🤣
I can duplicate the Klon and/ or Tumnus with my Wampler Triumph. Best $100 pedal on the market, period!
Brian W, if you see this, why do a limited run of a pedal that’s obviously spot on with the original Klons? I see the Wampler website says second run is sold out get on the waiting list for future runs…
The original Tumnus was nearly identical but always had a slight upward shift, tiny bit less low-mids, tiny bit more treble. The Germanium is spot on. But you could always lower the treble slightly and get the original there.
Got a tumnus deluxe and a silver archer (amongst 10 other non clone drives) and since my $99 Notaklone showed up it's the only pedal the bands visiting my studio have used. Crazy, it's all unicorns and fluffy rainbows and guitar player eat it up......
You guys are Awesome 😊😊❤❤
Have you considdered adding a sustainiac equipped guitar to your demo roster? That way you could play a single chord and just have it sustain during an AB similar to that opening.
Germanium Tumnus clips smoother that the Silly-con. It's enough for that "higher pitch" perception on that Gold Tumnus.
Best way? Get a LOOP PEDAL and a GRAPHIC EQUALIZER on any DAW and just see it.
That klon 2 seems to have something special going on.
That Les Paul tone. Awesome
The Germanium Wampler does have a little warmth compared to the regular Wampler. Close though and in a mix, it doesn’t matter. All 4 would deliver. Germanic seems to also have a little more bite in the mid range.
JHS should totally do a Klonsai but every one of the 9 settings is exactly the same (I say that sarcastically having ordered this pedal 5 mins into the vid)
Brilliant!!😄
I thought of getting a Klone to fatten up my Plexi build, or my IR-X. But I got a MojoMojo PG edition recently. Mr Gilbert is right. It did fatten up that sometimes thin and usually trebly Superlead tone. As for Klones, the Warm Audio one seems decent, as does this one, but the Ceriatone one seems like the way to go perhaps - apart from not many music shops have them.
P.S. Putting all the knobs in the same place is not the best way to compare. Potentiometers all tend to be a little different. Pedals need to be dialed in to sound the same, rather than having the knobs set the same.
I love my Centura. Hand built and gives the authentic look, feel, and sound. Wouldn't trade for anything.... except a real Klon to sell and buy a Murphy LP and another Centura😅
I am only here for the "Danish Pete 3 second Review". Carry on.
Love your channel! It’s too bad you’re slightly outside my prime shipping region (roughly 9k kilometers +\-) otherwise I’d be a loyal customer. I went through the Klon black hole not long after Brian put out the 1st Tumnus. As awesome as that germanium probably is I’m convinced that the Klon circuit has been mastered. Regardless of whose clone you choose it’s just a lateral move. If you wanna look cool, get your big wallet out and buy one with the little guy on it (I sold both of mine and felt like Warren Buffett after I made a couple thousand dollars collectively selling them each for $3500🤣) now whenever I actually reach for one, I just use the deluxe Tumnus and call it good
Still haven’t sold out yet !
I got my Tumnus (the "normal" one) a few months ago and I like it a lot. I like the colour, and that it only has 3 knobs, and that it is small. Sounds good I guess. It filled my "classic triumvirate". A Tube Screamer, a Klon and a Fuzz Face.
Just love wampler pedals full stop. Not into the marketing strategies of any company but it’s gotta be done in this world. They all sound great and the originals are not worth it unless you want one for sentimental purposes 😊
I actually just couldn’t bond with the Belle (ODR1) too much bass and treble for my sound maybe, and when dialed back was muddy. Very keen to try a Tumnus but I have the JHS modded (meat and 3) soul food. FOMO though haha
@@clintwhite3021if you do a Tumnus try the deluxe the EQ is worth it.
Any point in getting one if you have a KTR (asking for a friend)?
Looking at the prices that are already paid at Reverb, I'm really thinking of selling mine after only a few days of testing it and going for the golden version instead. The used market is really broken ...
In reality, the Quartermaster foot switch is good, after turning it on and off so many times it's holding up well.
You've got all the pedals with the overdrive at 9 o'clock except for the original Tumnus it's at 930 or 10 o'clock then you lower the tone so you're making it sound completely different than the other ones on purpose
Danish Pete is exactly right, it's not the gain, the og wampler has more brighter treble (which can be adjusted down to match)
The best and versatile of all of them is the missing on this video Tumnus Deluxe
There will definitely be a new dsm-5 diagnosis related to the klon.
Enjoyably indulgent cobblers, just the ticket. Love you guys.
Yep the 2nd diode in the gold Tumus definitely has at least .0035% more fairy dust
I bought one, should be delivered soon. I made the mistake on the notaklon, now I’m waiting till February.
In a mix or in fact alongside any other noise in the room they are the same... If you don't get hung up on the visuals for where the knobs are pointing you can make them all the same.
Managed to secure one of the Germaniums when Anderton's somehow got an extra 20 or so of these from Wampler this week...I was actually shaking at checkout in case I wasn't quick enough lol. Then in my smug state, I stayed on the site to watch the real time stock levels deplete in a matter of minutes.
that video burn my brain.....one of the best video ever
From all those 4 pedals that sound exactly the same, i like the sound of the normal tumnus the best. Sounds like i can afford to replace it if it breaks on the road...😂
They're very close but to my ears the silicon Tumnus is a touch brighter and thinner than the other 3. The original Klons and the Tumnus germanium are virtually indistinguishable, esp over TH-cam.
The most fun pointless video of all time. Thanks, guys, for wasting my time so enjoyably.
The germanium ones sound better to my ears. I might never heard that on a gig after adjusting things and in fact, the extra treble might not be the end of the world when you’re competing with cymbals, keyboards and singers who love their high shelf EQs. The other thing to note is that silicon is more stable. Germanium reacts more to its environment and can sound a bit different from summer to winter (especially if most of your gear lives in your car like mine does when I’m in the middle of a busy gigging week). I like the germanium more and that tracks in real life when I put my germanium tumnus up against a silicon pedal of similar ilk. But it ultimately doesn’t matter. Use what you can afford. Use what inspires you. At the end of the day, your gear is the *last* thing that makes you the musician you are.