New Hornby Class 21 LMS Pug | Unboxing & Review
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The 'Pug' was one of the two classic 'Starter' engines when I was a kid - the other being the 3F 0-6-0 'Jinty'.
Yeah you're right - those are real classics! :D
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Wasnt Jinty and Pug also the names of the engines that percy knew in the railway series
@@jacobrobert9561 i think they were the ones henry kicked out of the sheds in percy takes a plunge
@@elijahvasquez7641 they're also the ones who came to help out while Thomas and Friends were away in the Big City, in Eight Famous Engines I think
@@zemildlybird2024 havent read much of the railway series, but i think i remember that
I had a BR one 10 years ago that sadly died and went missing, was my favourite train, loved it even more than my A4, so I just bought a new LMS one based on your review. Thanks Sam. Really wish they did one with a L&Y livery.
My dad had one of these. Ten years ago.
The cab fell off.
haha - based on mine, I'm not surprised to hear that! ;D
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8:28 makes sense
Sorry to hear that
Is he alright?
Elijah Smith ah a copy
(This means war)
Wow sucks to be you then
Thank you for answering my question about the J83. It has made me happier about it. I think your channel is really good and is helpful and enjoyable. I hope you had a merry Christmas and have a happy New Year.
My pleasure mate, that's very kind of you daniel - Happy New Year,
Sam :)
Yes a final review happy new year!
Thanks mate!!
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Happy Christmas Sam, thanks for the videos, your comments and commitment to the hobby. Looking forward to 2020 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Happy Christmas Mike - my pleasure mate, glad you enjoyed these! :D
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Thanks for providing another great video Sam and happy new year to you. I recently purchased two as new (1x here in NZ 28 GBP & 1x Hattons preowned 46 GBP) secondhand Pugs. These were both R 2453A weathered Late crest versions (released 2005-2006) and both still had unmarked older style box's and detail packs. I have to say the factory weathered versions are a step up as it really enhances the loco appearance . The included driver so Ive been informed is to be mounted on the leftside of the loco cab opening, arm pointing toward the loco front which is in turn designed to obscure the visible in cab mechanism. I got two so I could double head which helps with reliability and point running issues.
My pleasure mate! I can definitely see these looking way better with weathering! Ahh I see - that makes sense re the driver!
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Sam :)
An interesting little loco great video Sam. It's very satisfying to see it at slow speed when it works.
Thanks a lot mate, yes the slow speed was unexpectedly good! :O
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Sam :)
This decade ends with a Pug...
A freaking pug!
haha I know - sorry about that! ;D
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Sam :)
Ngl don't know why you're complaining, the pugs adorable.
Technically the decade ends in 2020. You can still have hope.
Happy New Year, Sam. Lot's of luck and good reviews for 2020. Thanks for another heads up, I will be leaving this little pug with Hornby, considering there are so many others out there with impressive standards and nice paintwork!
Thanks very much mate, all the best to you too! No worries - definitely worth leaving this one, if you're not a major L&YR fan!
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Sam :)
That is one of the best of Sam's Trains videos
You're very kind Justin! :D
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HAPPY NEW YEAR SAM!
HAPPY NEW YEAR WIM! :D
I had a Pug twenty years ago and never had any problems with it at all. The Pug, Jinty and Compound were my pride and joy back them. I've since moved over to GWR, but I occasionally run my LMS stuff every now and again and the Pug still runs perfectly.
Glad to hear that James - 20 years ago they were considered excellent models - I think they still have value today, but not necessarily as part of Hornby's main (expensive) range! ;D
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Morning Sam, many thanks for introducing myself and my son Andrew in to Hornsby model trains we now have five locomotives, and growing each time we watch your reviews. Keep posting and we look forward to your 2020 videos.
Regards
Adrian & Andrew Olliffe Bolton
Dublin Ireland
Morning Adrian and Andrew - that's my pleasure mate, sounds absolutely fantastic - hope you enjoy!!
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Sam :)
Cheers from arklow Ireland
Have a Nice New Year Sam and thanks for the reviews,till next year take care.
You too mate, my pleasure - have a great new year!! :D
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Thank you for this review...
I bought one of these about fourteen (?) years ago and have had quite an adventure with it over that time.
My layout is a freelance, Australian based, 1970's era industrial and the loco was the only small 0-4-0 available for the longest time. Smokey Joe was not deemed suitable and it was only the release of the Peckett that I finally got a second British locomotive style for the layout.
I do still have a Baltimore and Ohio 0-4-0 from Mantua which is currently some forty three years old and still running strong.
My Hornby Pug has had its motor replaced by an excellent and somewhat more powerful Tenshodo can type motor, that gives excellent slow speed control, is painted black and a bit hidden by details and crew, and the body cavity has had about 30 grams of lead shot added to it making the chassis a bit vulnerable to wear. This was solved bu slightly carving out the plastic axle holding slots and adding a small, thin, brass shim, curved to fit. The bottom plate was replaced by fiberglass board which came from a PCB but had the copper removed on the inner face.
The loco today still works the abattoir and meat works area of the industrial layout (Lovett's Meat Products. - Still the best man made pies in the world) enjoy the references...
Happy New Year
My pleasure Frank - yes it's a handy engine if the standard Hornby 0-4-0s are unsuitable - and with the updates you've given yours, I can imagine the improvement being huge!
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Sam :)
Amazing review gramps as always
haha appreciate it mate! :D
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The name “Pug” obviously reminds me of a dog breed. We got ourselves the widdle widdle Pug. :3
haha absolutely!! ;D
It’s a pug :D
Sam'sTrains I have two pugs in real life
Widdle pugs are so cute :)
Hey there Sam good vid I am now half way to finishing my layout I’m not doing the static grass and finishing the ballast
Happy new year Sam!!
Thanks a lot mate, that's amazing - hope it goes well for you! Happy New year! :D
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I remember when this was re-released about 20 years ago. The model press loved it at the time for its detail and slow speed running, but you’re right; it’s always been full of character and a good seller for Hornby. I guess that’s why they’ve released it again now to help boost their financial situation and fair play to them. The ‘dumb buffers’ are prototypical btw and were usually just huge lumps of wood.
Ahh is that so? Yes it's still a good looking engine, if extremely dated now!
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Sam :)
I used to see one of the two preserved prototypes at a heritage railway quite often, and the dumb buffers always made me smile - about as basic as you can get. I have the Dapol model and always felt it was a shame it has normal buffers. I found a dumb buffers kit at Light Railway Stores so I might upgrade them (or downgrade them?)
Hi sam lovely review first video from you I've seen in a while :) but only because of christmas at my grandparents who have no wifi so happy new year sam!
Thanks a lot Duck no worries mate, glad you're back online mate! :D
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I got the BR railway when I was in England. I call mine Patty; like fish patty. She helps out in the shunting yards and often takes helps out at the quarry.
haha that's awesome - what a great name too! Do you like yours? :D
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Sam :)
4:49 Well, Sam. In little detailed Black Rail Lambs (out of Hornby’s PUG 0-4-0ST) the way I used for, is Yellow gloss paint (just little tin, not is big) to Little dot it of with a cocktail stick right on the front of middle little circle of Black Rail Lamb, (now carefully not too much) then to put on the Mainline Locomotive in same fleet is Steam Rail-tour working.
Ooh sounds cool Harry - thanks for this! :D
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Great review Sam!!
Thanks very much Daniel! :D
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Sam :)
I got the dapol kit version and me and my dad put it on a proper set of 4 wheels. AND we painted it BR crimson with a brass dome, buffers, and handrails. not prototypical but at the time, the Hatton's Andrew Barclay had just come out and I really wanted 2226 Katie so we kinda took after that and the result is a very smart looking model
That sounds just the job mate - much better I bet!! :D
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Sam :)
I motorised the Airfix model kit Pug months before Dapol released this RTR version on the market. Used Romford wheels and had the same type of motor that Dapol used but with a Romford 50:1 worm drive. I even managed to install Hornby Zero One DCC inside the water tank on it and it's still in use on my layout over 20 years later.
I also bought a Dapol Pug a few years later. The "Pointing Man" was included in the Dapol version plus the lamps, so the Hornby version is exactly the same.
My Dapol Pug has been run on Rovex Series 0, Triang Railways Series 1, Series 2, Series 3, Triang Hornby Super 4, System 6 and Hornby Series 7 plus Peco, Farish and Gem track. It has problems with frogs on all makes of points unless they are live frog types, usually due to tilting as it drops a wheel into the gap.
Very nice Andy - no doubt yours will have been superior! Thanks a lot for the info, duly noted!
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Sam :)
I kind of wanna get one of them cus I have a steam related layout with early br diesels. That loco would look nice on my layout.
Happy New Year Sam.
Yeah! They certainly look decent - but not great models overall, it must be said!
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I always look forward to your reviews Sam. Many thanks :-)
You're very kind Mark, thanks a lot!
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At 6:18 I spotted Smokey Joe. I have one of those locos and I have to say i find it to be a lovely little engine. It is very fast and I have owned mine 25 years now and never had a problem with it or lost any performance.
Ooh yeah well spotted - they really are lovely little engines! :D
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Hey Sam’sTrains hope you had a good Christmas😁
Thanks very much mate, hope you did too!! :D
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Sam :)
I did thanks and Happy New Yeah🎉🎉
Entirerly dcc compatible, fitted a dapol one a few years back
As I have mentioned to you before Sam I have one of these and it won’t run despite pulling it apart and testing numerous(20+) times.However I treated myself to a new one a couple of days ago for a good price and it runs good.A couple of issues since I know this model inside out now.The boiler is 3/4 taken up with the magnet so I can’t see any way to arrange another engine set up and DCC would be tricky.Also when handling make sure you keep away from the tank rails on the tank because the rails slips out easy and the plugs that hold the rail fall out of the tank.This happened on both locos and amazingly I found the plugs on my (filthy)shed floor and they are not much bigger than pinheads.As always great vids with a bit of humour.
Ahh glad you finally got a good runner Alan - hope you enjoy it now!
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Wow this is a really cute model! and thanks sam for the rust removeal thing il do it soon!
Thanks very much mate, good luck with it! :D
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What a lovely little model! - loved the video
Thanks
-Ollie
Thanks Ollie, glad you liked it mate! :D
Great video Sam it looks great for something so small
Thanks a lot David - it's certainly not terrible for it's age! :O
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I have one of these which is much older, and is also hornby. Mine doesn’t seem to suffer with the problems you’re having, which is odd. I’ll have to get back to you with exactly what mine is so you can compare differences... great video as always mate. Keep it up.
Glad to hear yours was better Chris - I would be interested in knowing any differences! :D
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Sam'sTrains hey mate, yes mine is R2093C loco no 51235. Mine was an eBay special and had been faultless. I think it’s a fab little loco and love the rake of vans you picked to run it with. Looks ace mate.
I'm getting my first train set next week super excited
That's awesome!! Which one are you getting?? :D
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@@SamsTrains the bachmann yard boss I got it really cheap on ebay and its brand new I even made sure its still has the paper on the box
Wow sam
We both got one
Mine got this xmas
Love it
Awesome Luke - glad to hear you love it!! :D
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There's a similar sized engine at the NRM in York which has been left unrestored. It has blocks of wood for buffers.
Great video Sam. Them buffers are called dumb buffers and were used on shunting locos as they stopped buffer lock and were cheaper and easier to repair than conventional buffers
All the best Oli
Thanks a lot for the info Oliver, appreciate it!
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Sam :)
I have one of the Dapol versions in BR colours and I still enjoy seeing it run so will definitely buy one of the newer ones and as for the price I think in these days of very high prices it isnt bad at all considering the second hand prices these days. As for the buffers they were called dumb buffers made of wood and used a lot on short wheel based shunters as they prevented buffer lock and as for prototype loads I never saw these locos pulling more than a few wagons as they worked in a restricted environment. Good video though and just love seeing small locos running.
Sounds good Leslie - yes I didn't think it was too bad for the money, provided you know what you're getting yourself into! Thanks a lot for the info,
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Sam :)
Beautiful little thing. The buffers on those things were in fact made of wood. The Caledonian Pugs, such as Smokey Joe, had similar buffers before the 1940's, when BR just bolted sprung buffers to the fronts of their existing block buffers.
Thanks for confirming that Aaron - appreciate the info!
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Sam :)
Cute little engine. I definitely would never say it’s pug ugly. Nice to see two in preservation.
haha certainly not ugly! Definitely, glad to hear some are left! :3
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I've got two of these locos, a weathered BR black one with the late crest which I bought new from the shop about 14 years ago for £36.50! And an original 1980s Dapol one off EBay in the L&YR black livery with red lining, which has never been run! Still like brand new in its box! Got it on display in my cabinet too good to run!
Sounds great Jamie - is there much difference between this and the Dapol versions then?! :D
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Sam'sTrains no, none at all!
10:57 The buffers are known as "Dumb Buffers" and were made of solid hardwood. Locos so fitted were for yard or internal use only and not allowed out main line.
Thanks Al for the info on those - very interesting!! :D
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Sam :)
looks good for a shunting layout....
Absolutely right!! :D
I have one of the pugs, runs well on my layout
Glad to hear that Mike! :D
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The buffers were made of wood on these. It was seen as a cost saving measure for a shunting loco that wasn't going to ever pull passengers.
The pickups on these do have some problems, sometimes they aren't adjusted properly and don't touch the wheels sometimes, after I readjusted mine it ran without any issues at slow speeds. Perhaps its time that Hornby retooled this and the ex dapol J94.
Thanks a lot for the info on that Alex - and yes you're right, though all the pickups were working on mine!
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Cheers for the review Sam and happy new year to you mate. I have a feeling that Hornby tend to repackage left over stock that they don't completely sell the first time round. Hence the repackaged dated LMS pug mate. Shame cos if it were updated with a decent 5 pole motor, it'd be a fantastic model mate!👍🚂🚃🚃🚃🚄🚅🚉🍺😁👍
My pleasure Jin, happy new year to you too! I'm pretty sure these are newly produced, but you may be right!! Definitely - a few upgrades would be well worth it! :D
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Sam :)
This takes me back 50years to Lancashire Model and Miniature Railways gauge one live steam Jinty sold in Kit form, my god what a thing it was.
Ooh wow - that must have been astonishing for back then!! :O
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God that little green Peckett is absolutely gorgeous isnt it!
No matter when where why how you see it it always looks so smart in that livery.
haha it really is - they did a wonderful job on those! :D
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Sam :)
Power and usually pickups can be improved by filling available space with liquid weight in order to make it heavier
Yes that's very true - I'll have to try to remove the body as some point, to see how much space is in there!
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Sam :)
I want one of these actually. Too bad shipping is so expensive from UK to the states. Great review!
Ahh sorry to hear that - how much do they charge for shipping to the US??
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Re the wooden buffers: they are referred to as "dumb buffers", I believe they were designed to be cheap, easily replaced and big enough to handle poor track without suffering from buffer lock as would be a risk with conventional buffers.
I think they would be replaced with buffers featuring larger heads further along in history.
Thanks a lot Douglas for the info on that, appreciate it! Very interesting to see those on a model for a change!
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I would try getting a match truck like the one used on the horn by small 4 wheeled diesel shutter surely some careful soldering from truck to loco would help with the pick up problem
Absolutely right David - that certainly would solve the problems! Hornby should produce those to sell!!
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picked a great one Sam
Thanks a lot mate, I'm certainly really happy with this! :D
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Good and valued review. Much better than some reviews of this loco where "it must be said" they like it and have bought several etc. Wikipedia on the Dapol company timeline records the Dapol Pug being first produced in 1984, so I think the 1979 in the comments might be mistaken. If you also said 1984 then your comments of "35 years ago" will not get out of date.
Good to see the keeper plate view of the model. This gives a really good quick insight into the qualities of a mechanism. I had been meaning to suggest this view be included for all model when revues by filming when you inspect for the type of bearings used. Next thing I know you go and do it. Hope to see more views like this in future if possible.
Much appreciated John, thanks mate! Supposedly this was available in kit form from Airfix before 1984, but I don't know how much truth there is in that!
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@@SamsTrains May be as early as1959! The plastic Pug non motorised plastic was first produced by Rosebud Kimaster between 1959 and 1962 as number 6 in about 34 kits. In 1962 Airfix took over the failed Kitmaster. The pug plastic kit was one of the railway items that Airfix chose to produce for many years before being out of production in a 1980 upheaval. What tooling that was not destroyed being taken over by chance by Dapol. I believe the Kitmaster Stirling Single , LMS Garratt and Mk1 Coach kits were destroyed among many others before the Dapol rescue.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosebud_Kitmaster#Models
While the Kitmaster/Airfix kit is model of the same Pug, I doubt any parts were interchangeable.The kit just inspiring Dapol to produce a working model. Although expensive but low quality motorising kits were available for the Pug kit and others, they rarely produced a good result. The Airfix Pug kits and even Kitmaster versions do turn up unmade and being made in the tens of thousands are often quite cheap. However even Sams skills are likely to produce a working model even as good as the Hornby one tested. The kits are just used as a scenic item 99.9% of the time.
Pug was 1959 by Kitmaster as per the link advertisements from 1959. At the risk of telling you more than you ever wanted to know, here is a link to some of the conversion kits. Very rare to see a successful conversion still running though:
www.kitmaster.org.uk/PerfectaKits.htm
Plastic wheels with metal bands forced on the tyre only, plastic axles and frames.
The best result I have seen, and that I actually ran to many favourable comments at a three day exhibtion, was the Kitmaster Blue Pullman with the Kitmaster power bogie fitted with extra pickups, expert assembly and painting by a skilled modeller and scale metal wheels helping the running no end. Much in advance of the compromised Triang examples that was the main alternative 25 years ago. Lots more info on Kitmaster in the link too.
A good fair review as usual Sam, look as though this is a good candidate for a stay alive capacitor as the really is nothing else that could be done for insulated frogs considering its small wheel base. The thing that would concern me the most is the motor as I have already had one of those catastrophically fail in a last generation terrier within 3 circuits of my layout which isn't as big as yours.
Thanks very much Rob - yes a stay alive cap would be amazing in this one - very true!! I've had one fail in the terrier and 14xx too - not very good at all!
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Hi Sam, Give it a chance it's only little (love it ), can't wait for the last review, All the Best Brian 🤗
haha absolutely - I tried not to be too harsh on it!! ;D
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Hi Sam, the L&Y pug is a lovely looking loco, full of character. I have always liked it. The buffers are correct, and were made from hardwood blocks and called "Dumb Buffers." The original model of the Pug was a "Kitmaster" plastic kit, way back in the early sixties, or maybe even earlier. That kit passed to "Airfix," then to "Dapol" where it still resides as a kit. The working model started life at "Airfix," then "Dapol," and now "Hornby," as you stated. Maybe "Hornby" copied the chassis from the kit. As far back as I can remember, you could buy a motorising kit for it. The kit would make up into a good "Scrap Loco," for scenery. I would buy one. It's not as small as the "R&H 48DS" and you could always add a shunting truck with pickups. Regards, Alan.
Thanks a lot Alan, I do enjoy these too! Blimey, I didn't know this existed in some form before Dapol produced them - good lord!! Thanks for the info,
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Percy: Well Well Well, Another Of My Cousins!
Pug: Ughh, Hi Percy
haha!! xD
I've got one of the original Dapol ones. Runs much like yours so don't think anything has changed in those 25 years as that is how old mine is! Noisy and cuts out a lot at slow speeds - maybe it needs more weight? I do quite like it though and enjoy running it now and again. Good thing is it has been robust enough and nothing has broken or fallen off.
haha blimey - doesn't sound like anything has changed then! It certainly could do with some more weight!
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oh lovely a lil pug gotta love these, i think i'm more a small layout guy, jut spending hours shunting stock around, hmm been a while can we get a shunting vid using some of these lil engines
Thanks a lot mate - yeah you can't help loving them really?! :D
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Happy new year Sam! It’s my birthday tomorrow on the 29th.
Ooh fantastic - hope you have a great birthday mate! :D
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When I was seven in one of the old loco posters I saw the old version and I was so sad that Hornby disconnected those I’m gonna get one now
Ahh fantastic - I can recommend it for the right price! :D
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Great Video from Sam Trains
I have just bought the same locomotive for 57.99 from Amazon. I didn't know that it was not DCC ready, maybe I should have watched the video first.
Thanks so much mate - ahh no worries, if you haven't opened it, you could just return it! :D
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@@SamsTrains I have received it today it is reallyl tiny and it's quite noisy got a bit of weight to it I kind of like it so I'm definitely keeping it it's the slowest train on my layout one thing that strikes me about this it's like a kiddies train I wouldn't advise spending much more than £60.
You're right, this is an ancient model. I had one in LMS maroon many years ago. It's way past time that Hornby upgraded this lovely loco. If they can produce something as fantastic as the tiny Peckett I'm sure they could do the same with this. I agree, this really should be in the Railroad range as it stands.
Thanks a lot Andrew - I agree, high time for an upgrade for sure! Fingers crossed!
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Speaking of The Pecketts and Barclays, I wish manufacturers would offer these 0-4-0s undecorated. Small shunters were often privately owned and if you want to represent a locally-owned and operated engine you currently need to remove or paint over a livery that you paid good money for.
That'd be very interesting indeed - have you submitted that suggestion to Hatton's? :D
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Made a Rosebud Kitmaster Pug when I was a kid. 😀
3:27 The size should be no surprise. It was available as an unpowered Kitmaster / Airfix kit way back in the late 1950's. Only of any interest as a static background model, I was very surprised when one got released as a RTR just to stand in the background.
Yeah so I hear - can't believe it's been around that long!! :O
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For a second I thought this was from the LNWR. I might’ve gotten the L&YR and LNWR mixed up. But they do have stuff in common like them being pre grouped into the LMS.
Ahh yeah - they are quite similarly named!
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The L&YR and the LNWR merged in 1922 a year before they were incorporated into the LMS
11:09 Those types of buffers reminds me of what Harvey the crane engine has.
Ooh does he have those too?!
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Cute model! We’re lucky two are preserved!
Thanks Ryno - very lucky indeed! :D
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Hello Sam after all these years i wondered when you would review a pug and yeah crying shame the tooling is so dated like the old terriers its a Dapol tooling maybe hornby will retool them and fit ether the ruston or peckett motor in them gives possible cab detail and i admit some diecast work would help it run but my old pug is from the 2010 batch silent smooth and does a decent crawl scored it for 35nzd (18 pounds) but i do like the easy access for to the motor for servicing reasons hope you have a great new year mate best wishes from NZ
Cheers mate, yes it'd be lovely to see these updated - very true! Yes the performance is reasonable, I'll admit that, despite the unreliability!
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I have one of these and it ran badly straight away. Then after a few months it was suddenly brilliant. :)
Sorry to hear that mate - the mechanisms are definitely a bit hit-and-miss on these! ;D
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The loco hidden by the building (LSWR B4?) seems to be the odd one out as it is a non-saddle tank compared to all the other saddle tanks in your repertoire
That's actually a fair comment - you can have that one! It was supposed to be the Peckett (0-6-0 not 0-4-0), but you're quite right too! :D
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Picked up a Dapol version of one of these at a swop meet for £25. Tried it against a mates newer hornby version and can say the lot older Dapol version ran better.
OH wow, £25 sounds much much better - not surprised to hear that one ran better too! ;D
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Well the Class B2 0-6-0 Peckett is the odd one out on the line with the open wagons. As for the LMS Pug I got my first one away back in 2003 as a Black (W) BR #51231Hornby cat R2335. Like you said they are very basic models with some nice detailing, more so than the Smoke Joe. The later being available for around the £25 mark. So yeah £50 for this Pug would have been great value for this dainty little loco. The coupling maybe big, but as you can see with the mech @13:31 they can be unscrewed and replaced with smaller couplings. I love my wee Pug and for its size say on a little shunting yard scene moving coal wagons back and forth. This would keep any modeller busy sorting the empties from the full wagons or making up trains to go out onto the main line behind a LMS fowler etc. Yes a bit dated, but a nice little short wheel base loco for £60 isn't bad in the long run.
Very well spotted John! I agree - it has it's value, but it's not for modellers in search of maximum realism!
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Sam :)
Excellent review, So it’s a more old fashioned but very good looking pug.
Thanks mate! Yeah overall I'd agree - decent looking! :D
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Sorry if you have mentioned this before, but have you considered doing any content on N gauge? I personally use those as the space saving ability is life saver for me. Bachmamn do a comprehensive range, that although cost more than your average hornby 00, still has fantastic detail with an ever expanding range of locomotives and rolling stock to collect.
I've certainly considered it - maybe I will do one day! :D
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Came around something quite surprising today. I purchased this one when you reviewed it but found a second one with road number 11232, hornby number R2065 in a garage sale. That one has a production date of 1998. I had the feeling that it was heavier then the newer release. I found out that it actually was almost 30% heavier! Really puzzling! Why is the newer one so much lighter???
Also other differences, paint is much better on the newer one. The buffer beams are not painted on the older one. The finish on the newer one is a lot less glossy compared to the old one.
I think you are correct this should be in the railroad range considering the Hornby 48DS has a 6pin socket
Yeah absolutely - no excuse for it really!
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Another great review Sam, this was a good looking loco when first released but looks abit dated now and no dcc ready, i think id sooner pay the extra for an upgraded loco
Thanks very much mate, yes definitely very dated indeed - the Pecketts were a better deal, despite the £30 extra!!
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Merry new year
Merry new year to you too!! :D
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Sam'sTrains happy new year too you as well
Also love your videos
Sent him up with jinty and you got yoursellf a fan favorite
haha absolutely - that'd be great!! :D
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Hi Sam and season greetings!
Can you do another video about American steam locos in 2020 please?( I love the 844 union pacific and the big boy).
Anyway fantastic video as usual
Seasons greetings Tommaso - yes I'd love to do that, great suggestion! :D
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Who’s a good locomotive?,yes you are! Yes you are!
Great vid🤣😂🤣
haha! Woof Woof!
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once again samlock holmes your analysis was correct, bumb buffers were big blocks of wood, the sprung oleo buffers were on the wagons
For short wheelbase 0-4-0 types have you thought or do you think it worthwhile including live frog points for these to cross? Enjoy your reviews and range of locos you have assessed is incredible.
Yeah absolutely - no doubt they'd work much better on those - but the insulated frogs are ideal for testing purposes - they expose any unreliability!
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Sam :)
Hi Sam! Can you make a video on how to take apart the new hornby xmas train?
Good suggestion - I've never done that thus far!! :O
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Jan 4-5 every year there’s a train show in Columbus Ohio
Ooh nice - have you been?! :D
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@ 20:37 I've got "Smokey Joe" aswell :) A Lovely little Loco I think!!!
I've even got a little man in the cab who sit down on a block with 1 arm pointing upwards!!!
Ooh nice - yes they are lovely!! Did smokey joe come with that bloke too then?! :O
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I use to own a Pug but the points wreaked havoc with it being such a small wheel base
Yeah absolutely - this one really struggled on those too! :O
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Always good objective reviews Sam, thank you. Bit of a cheeky move by Hornby with the Pug. As you say, could have been so much better, nice little loco though.
Thanks a lot Mike, definitely a bit cheeky for sure!
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Hi Sam again. I haven't got one of these, but I do have have the Dapol original, whose tooling Hornby bought when Dapol decided to go exclusively N-gauge. Dapol as you well know have since reversed that decision. I noticed this this oh so cute Pug at one of the Bluebell Railway model fairs.
Anyway, apparently, there are differences between the two. Hornby probably upgraded the mechanism as they often do. Now my reason for commenting is there is or was an upgrade kit which could only be fitted to the Dapol original. It rids the cab of the visible motor, adding a white metal boiler backplate and a new small motor, probably one of those Black Beetle type things. I never got around to doing the conversion because when the kit arrived at my home back in 2010, I was working in India and the project lost momentum. Hopefully one day I'll complete it.
Strange you never criticised that strange bit of black foam in the cab which I first assumed was transit packaging, but appears to be a rather poor attempt to hide the motor or did I miss that bit of your review ?
Thanks for sharing Andrew! Interesting that Hornby might have upgraded the mechanism - do you know in what way?? Did I not talk about the cab? I thought I did!
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Whatever its faults, it's very good looking pulling a load of old freight wagons. Not the greatest performer, but it has charm if you value appearance on your layout.
Yeah I'd agree with that - definitely has some value to it!
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Cute little Loco Sam I Will See you in the New Year Great video and have a good One From Oliver ;)
Cheers Oliver, have a great time! :D
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@@SamsTrains Np Sam i was wondering if you'll do a video on the New A4 Bittern in the new year?
considering if i should buy it
haha - it's up to you mate! ;D
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I love the vid Sam
Thanks Sara!! :D
( sorry for the paragraph comment) .. I run one of these locos on my micro colliery layout with my peckett and barklay, I totally agree with what you've said about the detail.. I was hoping for at the very least a basic cab found in the more common 0-4-0 locos found in train sets with maybe a peckett or ruston motor hidden in the boiler, but no... its a total re-release of the origional locomotive which is a shame as it had potential to be on par with the peckett and barklay .Especially as I picked mine up at a model railway show for 15£ in running order and weathered to a high standard as oppose to 60 odd pound new?? as for running mine runs okay but is very noisey and cuts out pretty much identical to yours
No worries Scott - yes you're right indeed, a very dated model definitely not worth of Hornby's main range in 2020! Hopefully we'll see some upgrades to this one some day!
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Sam :)