True. It's really frustrating when the teammates just follow the ball waiting for a chance to goal. I wouldn't mind if they can aerial goal/pass to the teammates but they can't. Whenever the ball goes above, they'll always waiting for the ball to touch the ground. It's worse when they followed the ball, but to scared to hit the ball and do 180 drift to move back to their own goal to defense/pickup boost. Well, that doesn't help either, since they're just wasting boost for nothing or giving enemies chance to score a goal. Whoops, I'm not mad. I'm just pointing out my opinion. Don't mind me. (☉ε ⊙ﾉ)ﾉ Also, make sure you didn't read it in an angry tone.
Agreed, but I wouldn't blame on individual lack of skill right away when solo queuing (not like you said it, but almost everyone did). Most of the time it's the team itself that didn't perform well, mainly because of communication, chemistry, trust, etc. But this is the internet, lack of human decency is around the corner.
Issue with the offensive rotation... I normally end up in pos 3 cause I don't want to over commit. But normally when the ball is in the position when I should move up for a hit my teammates don't fancy coming back. Guys in pos 1 and 2 just chase the ball, getting worse hits than I could have. Eventually I get bored and push up and of course no one rotates back
Same thing happens to me, i somehow got ranked at plat 1 div 3 (had teammates that actually rotated). I never won a game after that and am now a gold 2 div 4 because i keep getting stuck in the same situation as you
In lower ranks, this doesn't really apply since your tm's are probably ball chasing. During the first minute, look and see if your team is rotating; If they are join in, if not play defensively.
yo if youre a low ranker knowing you should be higher (you prolly should be higher by now its been a year) just play defensively and hit some long power shots towards the opposing net whenever the opposition make a clear. Basically counter-attack
Helpful Tip: Try and have at least one teammate that has full view of the play. In the case of offense, let's say position 3 could be that player. A helpful tip would be that position 3 is able to give callouts to help positions 1 and 2 decide what moves to make as the play progresses. Eg. "Double back, they're gonna clear." It's helpful in the off chance your teammates, for example, can't see an opponent approaching the ball. So instead of them getting beat to the ball and then being out of the play and unable to help on defense, they can fall off of the ball and prepare defensively.
With doubles on offense, the passer has to immediately, in many cases, fall back to center field or a decent distance behind the shooter or follow-upper to be able to stop the counterattack. On defense, you need to always have one person delaying/pushing the other team to force them to make a mistake. One that mistake is made (or they have to make a big touch to get around your team mate), that's when you step in. It's very similar to how defense should be played in actual soccer
also, when attacking, try advancing to the opponent's goal by passing the ball from left to right and right to left. it's the best tactic even in 3v3, but in 2v2 is most effective. avoid being in the middle of the pitch unless you are about to shoot on goal. also remember that it's very easy for 1 player to score against 2 players, so most of the times one of you needs to camp at your goal. no need to join every attack
BOUCHER Victor imo the best defense play defense wise is one person in goal and the other trying to clear the ball if the person trying to clear the ball fails he rushes back to goal while that is happening the goalie goes out to challenge.FYI i am platinum so dont take that as a 100% fact it just works for me and my team mate
Your series is a real eye opener. I'm becoming more and more conscious of exactly why I suck at rocket league. You can't fix what you don't recognize, thanks for shedding some light on the issues. My positioning and mindfulness of my teammates has been improving (I think, I hope) since i subscribed to your channel. Cheers!
Grand Champion thoughts: This type of rotation works for everything through maybe champ 1, but at the very high levels the only two rules about rotation are that the closest person to the ball that can challenge effectively goes to it, and that someone with boost is rotating back towards the goal (defense). For offense (in this scenario mentioned), I prefer that position 1 steals the boost and rotates to position 3, while two pushes forward becoming 1, and position 3 becomes position 2. Obviously that is dependent upon the situation though
Shit man, thanks for this comment. I'm only D1 but what you describe is how we rotate best... inverted rotation I call it. Passer, Receiver, and Defender
@@K33SKAAS it gives sense as the first guy can make infield pass. in a game where people just push the ball up yeah it's not great, but when people try to pass, it's working rly good.
I did know about rotation, roughly, but didn't know about the "specific" positions and strategies (especially the 3rd position in denfence, since everybody just mosly goes sameball side and I usually take goalie). I'm a newly Plat 2 with 100/120hrs and overnight this changed my gameplay to the better. Also Mr.Napkin video helped a lot on how to take responsibility and I get less frustrated as you can always tell you self you could have done better. This allows for possible recoveries from 2 goals down. The great thing is that teammates really react to your positioning most of the time and overall the placement just balances out as long as someone starts to at least try to do it right. Thanks a lot!
I was literally thinking two days ago that I have never seen an instructional video about rotation. Good effort. Though if you're reading my mind, apologies for the filth.
I literally just had an argument about this with a "friend" the day before this was posted. My stance was "You're losing us matches because all you ever do is ram the ball away from your teammates and try to score. It doesn't matter that you're tons better than us, we don't like that. Let us fail then back us up." His was "Dude, ur a bronze." Yup, i am, but it's cause i'm not so good as to overcome a bad set of teammates in 3s. I'm not great, but good position can help *everyone* regardless of skill. I mean, am i wrong?
Big rotation advice from #74 on xbox in 3's coming from someone who is number 74 in threes on Xbox you did a great job covering rotation for offense. The only thing I would say is never rotate sideways once the passer passes whether it is good or bad he should take the back boost if there is any and proceed to rotate back to defense. The person who was in the middle for the shot will stay there depending on boost and maybe rotate back a little bit to mid field depending on the ball's position. now the person who started on defense will recenter the ball and try to get the original shooter to shoot. What me and my friends tend to do is once we grab their boost we try to go for a demo. also if you are on defense and the ball is just being centered and you know it will take a while for them to clear what we normally do is the person who is back will go to the corner boost that is open on their side. That way if we take both corner boost it will be easy for us to take middle boosts. Then a boost starve starts happening. All in all never rotate sideways on offense. as for defense I partially agree with you. At least for the champion level we have one person at mid waiting for the hard clear to redirect it in the goal. The person who clears it is normally in goal in the third person will be at a booster or behind him trying to contest 5050s in order to get a clear up the field. this only works if every single person on the team is capable of saving hard shots. If the pressure is on and there is no boost on defense, one person goes on the back wall above the goal. This allows him to get power clears very easily and buy us time to get boost. as for the other two, they should be evenly distributed in the net. this way any high shots the backboard a person will be able to save, and any low shots will be saved by the two people on the ground. Great video khan and for anyone that read this all this will definitely help.
Just want to say thanks, just found your channel today and watched like 14 vids at work this morning. Then went home and went from Gold 1 to Plat 1. First few games were rough implementing a lot of these different ideas but it certainly paid off. Only 42 hours playtime so give me a little longer and I’ll be seeing you in a champ.
Demon itized looking forward to it but that’s going to be awhile. Changing my approach is the easy part but building the muscle memory is another story
Another tip for people who don't have anyone to play with and have to solo que, here's my personal opinion based on experience (I almost always play with randoms, dia) You have to be aware of what your teammate is going to do. There's a big chance that he/she never saw this video and has no idea about your game plan. The only thing you can do at this point is to watch where your teammates are going and be at a different position then them. So if Teammate #1 is attempting a pass, and you see teammate #2 charging upfield to recieve it, you have to stay back in position 3, defence. Even if you are in the Shooters position, if you see your teammate leaving the defence, you should take his place and quickchat: "take the shot" or "defending". This way, if the shot get's saved, you don't end up with an open net. (When you really have a clear shot, you just quickchat: "i got it") On defence it's a little different though. When you see your teammate standing next to you in goal, you could choose to stay there for safety. But the best thing to do is to trust in him/her and to try and defend in a different place. What i always do is to try and stop the ball as much as possible so that the speed of their attack is gone. Usually i go for a 50/50 in the corner to stop a pass. This way your other teammate in goal can breathe a little. Usually they go for the ball after that. If they do, you go back to his spot in goal. This is hard to get under control because most of the times you focus so much on the ball that you forget where your 3rd teammate is. I've been in the position where i shoot the ball after a pass, and then i look back and i see that the #3 teammate is also going for it, leaving the net wide open. After watching this video i really saw what i was doing wrong. The reason why i'm stuck in diamond is because of my positioning and of my awareness of my teammates positions.
This video definitely helps me to visualize what rotations should look like. I've always been on the lookout for videos like this one. The only other thing I'd like to add is that I'd recommend Gregan's Table Top Tactics for those interested in a bit more in depth look at positioning.
I like to be mid field or foward when the opponent makes a clear and both of my mates are in defense. I get a loooot of redirect shots from that position, and they are really satisfying
Good info. And now to go pair up with some random teammates who will spend the whole game ball chasing and doubling up on each other while I mostly watch amused and play defense.
I don't have experience in high tier ranks but it seems to me as though there are times that the goalie needs to go for a clear. At times, players may try to set it up so that they could do a quick pass off a backboard ricochet and the shooter could do a shot that is hard to block. Same is true for backboard crossover rolls, although that can be more easily anticipated if its a slow roll above your car. During those times, it makes since to clear the ball if you are the goalie since you can easily get better clearing angles because you are already facing away from the goal. I believe it's easier to anticipate the pass instead of the shot in that situation and so, in that case, the clearer should rotate with the goalie. Oddly enough though, I seem to recall making quite a few saves that way when rotating.
Remember. if teammate doesn't rotate back, and you are still all the way back, and are not 200 percent sure you can challenge the ball well. Just. Wait. Anticipate.
I like this. At position 1 I am actually really good at passing the ball in front of the net and nothing is more satisfying than my teammate booming a goal from the center. The worst thing is watching my beautiful pass sail along and I look back and both my teammates are huddled in the net of the opposite side. I am only at the net if no one else is there and ball is on our side. If I’m third position I stay at half field unless the ball is getting boomed, then I move back just a little bit. I have the hardest time with position 2 because my striker skills suck.
The greatest RL league series ever!! My god, really god job!! I learn a lot by watching your video!!Really thanks by a player that suck a little bit less now!
The passer becoming the shooter makes sense when I think about it. That was probably my main issue. Although what I see all the time is my team mates side by side in position 1 on offense, which means neither is there for a set and it leaves me to either risk everything on a shot or just stay back. Diamond 3 for reference
great video man, don't have much to add. I see so many players around champ 3 to grand champ rank that are simply horrible positioning-wise. Sure their mechanical skill is "okay" but that's it, which sucks to play with in soloqueue.
What do you do if it isn't possible to rotate? I'm silver 3 in everything except for solo standard, which I'm stuck in bronze 1 because my team doesn't rotate or do anything and sometimes can't even hit the ball. Do I just ball chase until it gets better?
Talmagegibster I'm up in diamond but when I play with my friends in silver I find I can easily win with them by just standing off just behind the play and waiting for the ball to get into free space where I can do what I want because everyone is usually in the same area ball chasing.. hope this helps
Talmagegibster, I'm in the champ ranks, do exactly what SnailJizz says. If you can clutch defense/keep clearing the ball down field you can just let your teammates ball chase and hopefully score. If you have the room though, don't be afraid to make a shot/play if your want, just don't over extend if your teammates are really that bad.
in a lot of situations the defensive player that misses a clear can go up for a pass or go up to steal the other teams boost. Not having boost on defense is really hard to play with so doing this will cure that.
This video should be mandatory to watch before being allowed to play any ranked 3v3 matches. I've noticed that about 50% of my teammates have no idea how to rotate and that's one the most frustrating things to experience.
Thank you for the video! But it would've been a lot easier to digest if you color coated the cars to better understand where each car eventually ends up
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I'm a gc in 2s on 2 accounts and when I play at lower levels I find people are too slow , can't defend and don't understand boost conservation , stealing , sharing and not going for boost when they can't (also know as ball over boost ) but the worst mistakes are ball chasing at bad times (yes ball chasing can be useful when you're winning by a goal having a ball chaser hit the ball constantly around there net until they clear it too the 100 boost defensive maestro who clears it back to the ball chaser)
Everyone that is wondering what do we do in 2s? Well it's quite simple. In offense the defender will rotate to be the shooter or the passer if the pass gets over passed while the original passer can go back tot eh defending position(which can now take a shot or do another pass)
Can we just get this as a mandatory training video to watch before you are allowed to play RL 3v3? Please . . . . my blood pressure can't take it anymore
Can we make this series a requirement to watch every couple months? 90% of the time I get stuck with people who forget they're actually on a team. "yeah, I'll drive it into the corner to center it. Then I'll try to score even thought I have 3 opposing players in front of me and my teammates are in position to score and have an open net."
Please keep in mind a few things regarding my post. I'm 40 years old. I come from a hockey background and I started playing two weeks ago only. But I think there is a flagrant mistake in the defense rotation shown here. I don't think having someone immobile in net is useful. Maybe at higher ranks it gets better although I highly doubt it. Rocket League is a game that plays at high speed and with big contacts. I'd rather have all three people rotate from back post to attacking the ball to rushing back to the back post. I don't think it's a good idea to look at it from the point of view of positions. It's three jobs from the point of view of one player and when done in rythm it makes for a much more fluid, constant and therefore harder to defend pressure. Basically the player at the back post is reading the ball to react to the teammate before him. Did he win/lose a 50-50, did the whiff, did he clear etc. From there he needs to attack the ball as soon as he sees the other teammate is getting ready to take his spot and while he's attacking, the teammate who whiffed (at silver this is the most likely scenario) is getting back to the back post to take the place of the player who is reading how the new attempt will play out. Again, not a lot of experience with this game but understand rotation from other sports and played my share oh hockey so do with this what you will.
The only thing I'd change is I really prefer when the Keeper position (Position 3) is parallel to the goal, and typically at the back post, pushing to the forward post only when necessary. I feel like its easier to makes saves over the entire net from this position, generally. Obviously modified based on circumstances.
Pro TIp: Don't even think about playing casual games, 90% of the community leaves instantly after getting scored on or is afk till they get kicked because there is no punishmetn for leaving.
Casual is ok for trying out really risky things that you need to practice a lot more imo. No need to drop your teammates ranks bc you want to try something unnecessarily
alexleo1991 good for a warm up to get you used to moving the car also good for trying to implement new moves into your average play like halflips air dribbles or even just basic aeriels
Lee Worley I use casual games to check two things: 1. Is my Internet good to go; and 2. How well am I playing that day. If either of the two are off, then I won't play competitive because I don't want to drag others down.
You say go back on defense like that's all they're allowed to do when you see a teammate going for it go back and get a boost and stop getting them from the middle of the arena and hogging like i always say do something or come back so i can i mean clearly they're better if they see more shots than you.
I hate playing with 2 passers and always being the one that defends and sees all these opened shots but its risky sometimes going for it and don't have as much confidence because idiots are always ahead of me so if i miss it's all my fault literally but at the end of the day it really isn't.
"Make the save!"-spam nearly ended me. That would've brought the toxicity of quickchat to new heights. Possibly glorious ones. Imagine all the ballchasers passing the ball to the other team and then spamming you with this shit. Holy fuck.
The only thing that triggers me as much as toxic teammates are the ones that yell “Take the Shot!” over and over again. And they usually end up being toxic anyways.
- Trust your teammates - When your teammate has the ball, get into a useful position (i.e. don't try to steal it - see point 1) - If you are between the opposition's net and the ball, go defend (don't go for the ball - see point 1 & 2)
A guy named Vogan (you may remember him from RLCS S1 Flying Dutchmen) wrote up a really great post on how they ran their plays. He's retired now but their strategy took them all the way to LAN. medium.com/@VoganRL/rocket-league-tactics-the-flying-dutchmens-system-ab2ebac4afd Lots of great examples, diagrams, and actual footage of it working at the highest levels of competitive Rocket League.
On defense, if I fail a clear from position 1, I cheat up on the sideline (sometimes all the way to half court or further) so the person in position 3 can clear it to me and make a counter attack. If you're constantly rotating back to net, you'll never make it out of your half of the field, especially as you get to higher ranks.
This is overall just the basic its mostly used to get an knowledge of how rotation works, but nobody using it in Higher Elos because every team has some different players with different playstyles and need to adjust to get the best out of every player. But this video is very good for understanding the basics
This seriously makes almost all the difference in lower levels. I’m a silver II and pretty much every time my team has decent rotation we win. Pretty much every time we don’t, we lose.
Tried explaining this to my friend that I play with last night. He responded uhhhhh..... durrrrrr.... so I said I'll draw a diagram.. this is much better then my diagram and 100%+ what I was trying to tell him. So thank you lol
Here’s the bottom line though, you can watch this video and understand how to rotate but if you can’t adjust to your teammates when you solo queue then you don’t deserve to be any higher than you are in rank. Rotating often makes you feel like you’re a smart player and you think because you were in the right position your teammates must’ve been wrong. Well yeah, but it’s your job to acknowledge your teammates positioning as well and adjust your rotations according to that. Sometimes on offense your teammate will constantly be the passer, banging the ball corner to corner. Sometimes your teammate loves shooting and will cut you off. It’s your job to recognize these playstyles and consider playing as last back for the majority of the game. Basically I’m saying that rotations aren’t everything there is and if you can’t adjust your rotations to your teammates, then you’re just as bad as them.
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oh man... if only every RL player would watch this... or at least my teammates...
Plasmoid Tracks yeah especially people in solo standard
True. It's really frustrating when the teammates just follow the ball waiting for a chance to goal. I wouldn't mind if they can aerial goal/pass to the teammates but they can't. Whenever the ball goes above, they'll always waiting for the ball to touch the ground. It's worse when they followed the ball, but to scared to hit the ball and do 180 drift to move back to their own goal to defense/pickup boost. Well, that doesn't help either, since they're just wasting boost for nothing or giving enemies chance to score a goal.
Whoops, I'm not mad. I'm just pointing out my opinion. Don't mind me. (☉ε ⊙ﾉ)ﾉ Also, make sure you didn't read it in an angry tone.
Agreed, but I wouldn't blame on individual lack of skill right away when solo queuing (not like you said it, but almost everyone did). Most of the time it's the team itself that didn't perform well, mainly because of communication, chemistry, trust, etc.
But this is the internet, lack of human decency is around the corner.
Well... Should've think before post that comment. *Sorry if my comment offended anyone.*
I can taste the salt in that comment. But yes, you are 100% right. Ball chasers are the worst and even more if they don't rocket jump.
Issue with the offensive rotation... I normally end up in pos 3 cause I don't want to over commit. But normally when the ball is in the position when I should move up for a hit my teammates don't fancy coming back. Guys in pos 1 and 2 just chase the ball, getting worse hits than I could have. Eventually I get bored and push up and of course no one rotates back
Yeah it's tough...but it makes it awesome when you get with a team that rotates!
Same thing happens to me, i somehow got ranked at plat 1 div 3 (had teammates that actually rotated). I never won a game after that and am now a gold 2 div 4 because i keep getting stuck in the same situation as you
In lower ranks, this doesn't really apply since your tm's are probably ball chasing. During the first minute, look and see if your team is rotating; If they are join in, if not play defensively.
yo if youre a low ranker knowing you should be higher (you prolly should be higher by now its been a year) just play defensively and hit some long power shots towards the opposing net whenever the opposition make a clear. Basically counter-attack
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Helpful Tip: Try and have at least one teammate that has full view of the play. In the case of offense, let's say position 3 could be that player. A helpful tip would be that position 3 is able to give callouts to help positions 1 and 2 decide what moves to make as the play progresses. Eg. "Double back, they're gonna clear." It's helpful in the off chance your teammates, for example, can't see an opponent approaching the ball. So instead of them getting beat to the ball and then being out of the play and unable to help on defense, they can fall off of the ball and prepare defensively.
And of course, this responsibility rotates as the players rotate.
JGJWgames wow you thought this through can you be my teammates in solo standard
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you're really gonna type that out in the middle of a game? lol good luck with that
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i thought he sounded like the guy who does you suck at cooking videos
You look and sound like Seth Rogen
Isn't it the other way around?
You have to do one with doubles! I play with my friend a lot and most of the time I do the mistakes. I would like to know more to help me!
With doubles on offense, the passer has to immediately, in many cases, fall back to center field or a decent distance behind the shooter or follow-upper to be able to stop the counterattack. On defense, you need to always have one person delaying/pushing the other team to force them to make a mistake. One that mistake is made (or they have to make a big touch to get around your team mate), that's when you step in. It's very similar to how defense should be played in actual soccer
also, when attacking, try advancing to the opponent's goal by passing the ball from left to right and right to left. it's the best tactic even in 3v3, but in 2v2 is most effective. avoid being in the middle of the pitch unless you are about to shoot on goal. also remember that it's very easy for 1 player to score against 2 players, so most of the times one of you needs to camp at your goal. no need to join every attack
BOUCHER Victor imo the best defense play defense wise is one person in goal and the other trying to clear the ball if the person trying to clear the ball fails he rushes back to goal while that is happening the goalie goes out to challenge.FYI i am platinum so dont take that as a 100% fact it just works for me and my team mate
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Your series is a real eye opener. I'm becoming more and more conscious of exactly why I suck at rocket league. You can't fix what you don't recognize, thanks for shedding some light on the issues. My positioning and mindfulness of my teammates has been improving (I think, I hope) since i subscribed to your channel. Cheers!
Grand Champion thoughts:
This type of rotation works for everything through maybe champ 1, but at the very high levels the only two rules about rotation are that the closest person to the ball that can challenge effectively goes to it, and that someone with boost is rotating back towards the goal (defense). For offense (in this scenario mentioned), I prefer that position 1 steals the boost and rotates to position 3, while two pushes forward becoming 1, and position 3 becomes position 2. Obviously that is dependent upon the situation though
Shit man, thanks for this comment. I'm only D1 but what you describe is how we rotate best... inverted rotation I call it. Passer, Receiver, and Defender
So the one who just took the shot should ballchase his own shot to pass it to the new shooter? I’ve only became gc but this makes no sense dude.
@@K33SKAAS it gives sense as the first guy can make infield pass. in a game where people just push the ball up yeah it's not great, but when people try to pass, it's working rly good.
@@K33SKAAS rotation rules are always dependent on the position of your teammates and the ball. Sometimes it makes more sense to break rotation.
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I did know about rotation, roughly, but didn't know about the "specific" positions and strategies (especially the 3rd position in denfence, since everybody just mosly goes sameball side and I usually take goalie). I'm a newly Plat 2 with 100/120hrs and overnight this changed my gameplay to the better. Also Mr.Napkin video helped a lot on how to take responsibility and I get less frustrated as you can always tell you self you could have done better. This allows for possible recoveries from 2 goals down. The great thing is that teammates really react to your positioning most of the time and overall the placement just balances out as long as someone starts to at least try to do it right. Thanks a lot!
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Great jinx. Now there are 2. :c
Great jinx, now theres 108 :(
You changed your name and it's 126, maybe players who ballchase till champ
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I was literally thinking two days ago that I have never seen an instructional video about rotation. Good effort. Though if you're reading my mind, apologies for the filth.
I somehow missed this video in my search for basic rotation. As always a basic explanation done superbly by you Sunless! Peace!
I literally just had an argument about this with a "friend" the day before this was posted. My stance was "You're losing us matches because all you ever do is ram the ball away from your teammates and try to score. It doesn't matter that you're tons better than us, we don't like that. Let us fail then back us up." His was "Dude, ur a bronze." Yup, i am, but it's cause i'm not so good as to overcome a bad set of teammates in 3s. I'm not great, but good position can help *everyone* regardless of skill. I mean, am i wrong?
Well the guy already lives in Wisconsin or something, so should i even bother?
Poison his cheese.
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Because clearly hes 3
TimberBunny 2 years on are you still bronze bruh?
Cam Mac yes
Oh god, the ending. I can't unsee/unhear it
I'd like to point out that I was the first one to mention you sound like Tina.. I deserve an award
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Big rotation advice from #74 on xbox in 3's
coming from someone who is number 74 in threes on Xbox you did a great job covering rotation for offense. The only thing I would say is never rotate sideways once the passer passes whether it is good or bad he should take the back boost if there is any and proceed to rotate back to defense. The person who was in the middle for the shot will stay there depending on boost and maybe rotate back a little bit to mid field depending on the ball's position. now the person who started on defense will recenter the ball and try to get the original shooter to shoot. What me and my friends tend to do is once we grab their boost we try to go for a demo. also if you are on defense and the ball is just being centered and you know it will take a while for them to clear what we normally do is the person who is back will go to the corner boost that is open on their side. That way if we take both corner boost it will be easy for us to take middle boosts. Then a boost starve starts happening. All in all never rotate sideways on offense.
as for defense I partially agree with you. At least for the champion level we have one person at mid waiting for the hard clear to redirect it in the goal. The person who clears it is normally in goal in the third person will be at a booster or behind him trying to contest 5050s in order to get a clear up the field. this only works if every single person on the team is capable of saving hard shots. If the pressure is on and there is no boost on defense, one person goes on the back wall above the goal. This allows him to get power clears very easily and buy us time to get boost. as for the other two, they should be evenly distributed in the net. this way any high shots the backboard a person will be able to save, and any low shots will be saved by the two people on the ground. Great video khan and for anyone that read this all this will definitely help.
Good points all around, thanks for the comment!
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Just want to say thanks, just found your channel today and watched like 14 vids at work this morning. Then went home and went from Gold 1 to Plat 1. First few games were rough implementing a lot of these different ideas but it certainly paid off. Only 42 hours playtime so give me a little longer and I’ll be seeing you in a champ.
Let's goooo dude, popping off. I will be waiting for you in the champ club.
Demon itized looking forward to it but that’s going to be awhile. Changing my approach is the easy part but building the muscle memory is another story
Another tip for people who don't have anyone to play with and have to solo que, here's my personal opinion based on experience (I almost always play with randoms, dia)
You have to be aware of what your teammate is going to do. There's a big chance that he/she never saw this video and has no idea about your game plan. The only thing you can do at this point is to watch where your teammates are going and be at a different position then them. So if Teammate #1 is attempting a pass, and you see teammate #2 charging upfield to recieve it, you have to stay back in position 3, defence. Even if you are in the Shooters position, if you see your teammate leaving the defence, you should take his place and quickchat: "take the shot" or "defending". This way, if the shot get's saved, you don't end up with an open net. (When you really have a clear shot, you just quickchat: "i got it")
On defence it's a little different though. When you see your teammate standing next to you in goal, you could choose to stay there for safety. But the best thing to do is to trust in him/her and to try and defend in a different place. What i always do is to try and stop the ball as much as possible so that the speed of their attack is gone. Usually i go for a 50/50 in the corner to stop a pass. This way your other teammate in goal can breathe a little. Usually they go for the ball after that. If they do, you go back to his spot in goal.
This is hard to get under control because most of the times you focus so much on the ball that you forget where your 3rd teammate is. I've been in the position where i shoot the ball after a pass, and then i look back and i see that the #3 teammate is also going for it, leaving the net wide open. After watching this video i really saw what i was doing wrong. The reason why i'm stuck in diamond is because of my positioning and of my awareness of my teammates positions.
years later and I still came back to this video for refreshers!
Rotation is great depending on the game, but if your down 1-0 with less than 30 seconds left you better believe to put high pressure
0:10 Lovin the fidget spinnder XD awesome vid Khan!
This video definitely helps me to visualize what rotations should look like. I've always been on the lookout for videos like this one. The only other thing I'd like to add is that I'd recommend Gregan's Table Top Tactics for those interested in a bit more in depth look at positioning.
Oh and by the way, the series goes by the name Rocket League Positioning Tutorial (#) | (etc.)
amazing how almost no one rotates back to goal or decide to just leave the goal wide open when the opposing team is about to take a shot
ikr
why rotate when you can hit the ball
@@RoCkEtAcEful cuz ur tm8 will prob have a better angle to hit it
I can't unhear Tina Belcher after the last part of your video. And I love it.
I like to be mid field or foward when the opponent makes a clear and both of my mates are in defense. I get a loooot of redirect shots from that position, and they are really satisfying
Good info. And now to go pair up with some random teammates who will spend the whole game ball chasing and doubling up on each other while I mostly watch amused and play defense.
3:03 CC captioner said "You sound like an inspirational speaker sunless" lol
I don't have experience in high tier ranks but it seems to me as though there are times that the goalie needs to go for a clear. At times, players may try to set it up so that they could do a quick pass off a backboard ricochet and the shooter could do a shot that is hard to block. Same is true for backboard crossover rolls, although that can be more easily anticipated if its a slow roll above your car. During those times, it makes since to clear the ball if you are the goalie since you can easily get better clearing angles because you are already facing away from the goal. I believe it's easier to anticipate the pass instead of the shot in that situation and so, in that case, the clearer should rotate with the goalie. Oddly enough though, I seem to recall making quite a few saves that way when rotating.
I still look back at this video a year later. Love it
Make the save!
MaKe tHe SavE!
MAKE THE SAVE!
*MAKE THE SAVE!*
I can feel the pressure emanating from the phrase. Terrifying
Yeah I hope that never gets implemented haha
Remember. if teammate doesn't rotate back, and you are still all the way back, and are not 200 percent sure you can challenge the ball well. Just. Wait. Anticipate.
Totally agree much prefer the central holding position. Football (soccer) analogy is really the truth. Preach!!
Yeees I just got out of school and I realized I have a three day weekend and you uploaded... Life is GOOD
Flying Giant remember that day when you work full time...
Schwarzschild Radius Attained :D I like work more than school though...harder work but less annoying bullshit
SunlessKhan mostly true, but it depends. I'm not one to get involved in drama, so I can agree with you.
I have 1 week!
Depends on the job right?
I have forwarded this to so many people I've played with online. Holy shit.
I like this. At position 1 I am actually really good at passing the ball in front of the net and nothing is more satisfying than my teammate booming a goal from the center. The worst thing is watching my beautiful pass sail along and I look back and both my teammates are huddled in the net of the opposite side. I am only at the net if no one else is there and ball is on our side. If I’m third position I stay at half field unless the ball is getting boomed, then I move back just a little bit. I have the hardest time with position 2 because my striker skills suck.
The greatest RL league series ever!! My god, really god job!! I learn a lot by watching your video!!Really thanks by a player that suck a little bit less now!
Thank You so much, I have won a tournament with My Friends, thank You so much, Keep doing amazing
The passer becoming the shooter makes sense when I think about it. That was probably my main issue. Although what I see all the time is my team mates side by side in position 1 on offense, which means neither is there for a set and it leaves me to either risk everything on a shot or just stay back. Diamond 3 for reference
Damn when this video was made Sunless didn’t even have 1 mil in mind
Your voice is soothing. It’s like I’m listening to NPR.
great video man, don't have much to add. I see so many players around champ 3 to grand champ rank that are simply horrible positioning-wise. Sure their mechanical skill is "okay" but that's it, which sucks to play with in soloqueue.
What do you do if it isn't possible to rotate? I'm silver 3 in everything except for solo standard, which I'm stuck in bronze 1 because my team doesn't rotate or do anything and sometimes can't even hit the ball. Do I just ball chase until it gets better?
Talmagegibster I'm up in diamond but when I play with my friends in silver I find I can easily win with them by just standing off just behind the play and waiting for the ball to get into free space where I can do what I want because everyone is usually in the same area ball chasing.. hope this helps
SnailJizz alright I will try that out next time I play. Thanks for the advice!
Talmagegibster, I'm in the champ ranks, do exactly what SnailJizz says. If you can clutch defense/keep clearing the ball down field you can just let your teammates ball chase and hopefully score. If you have the room though, don't be afraid to make a shot/play if your want, just don't over extend if your teammates are really that bad.
Schwarzschild Radius Attained :D alright will do, thanks!
Talmagegibster watch Lachinio's solo standard series , he just is defensive because you can depend on your friends
These videos are so well edited
in a lot of situations the defensive player that misses a clear can go up for a pass or go up to steal the other teams boost. Not having boost on defense is really hard to play with so doing this will cure that.
you just had to put a fidget spinner man. I'm dying!
"dozens of people will see it now." ahahaha
WooHoo been waiting in this
This video should be mandatory to watch before being allowed to play any ranked 3v3 matches. I've noticed that about 50% of my teammates have no idea how to rotate and that's one the most frustrating things to experience.
I shall put down my spliff, Sir and go put this into practice. My gratitude
Thank you for the video!
But it would've been a lot easier to digest if you color coated the cars to better understand where each car eventually ends up
Only 15,000 subs and 50,000+ views on all your Why you suck at Rocket League videos! Keep up the great work and keep posting funny rocket league tutorials!
Thanks man!
first love this series sunless Khan it has really helped me to get better
Just being aware of your surroundings ie teammates location helps immensely. If you get your spacing and positioning down, rotation comes naturally.
Ah yes this is exactly what I wanted to see in 2021
I'm a gc in 2s on 2 accounts and when I play at lower levels I find people are too slow , can't defend and don't understand boost conservation , stealing , sharing and not going for boost when they can't (also know as ball over boost ) but the worst mistakes are ball chasing at bad times (yes ball chasing can be useful when you're winning by a goal having a ball chaser hit the ball constantly around there net until they clear it too the 100 boost defensive maestro who clears it back to the ball chaser)
this is good, rl players especially at the lower levels should watch this
THANK YOU SO MUCH THIS IS WHY I WAS PLAT I STRUGLED WITH THIS THANK YOU MUCH LOVE YO YOU YOU GOT ME TO DIAMOND 3
Everyone that is wondering what do we do in 2s? Well it's quite simple. In offense the defender will rotate to be the shooter or the passer if the pass gets over passed while the original passer can go back tot eh defending position(which can now take a shot or do another pass)
Holy crap that Tina thing just blew my mind.
Can we just get this as a mandatory training video to watch before you are allowed to play RL 3v3? Please . . . . my blood pressure can't take it anymore
IVE BEEN HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM
Dope break been figuring it out for awhile but this is dope thanks
Can we make this series a requirement to watch every couple months? 90% of the time I get stuck with people who forget they're actually on a team.
"yeah, I'll drive it into the corner to center it. Then I'll try to score even thought I have 3 opposing players in front of me and my teammates are in position to score and have an open net."
Great video bro, thank you so much, i just won a tournament with this rotation, keep it that way, you are so good!
If you're lower ranked or are struggling to apply rotation, try a more basic rotation: if your goal is open, you might want to be in goal
This series has helped me a lot
Glad to help!
Please keep in mind a few things regarding my post. I'm 40 years old. I come from a hockey background and I started playing two weeks ago only. But I think there is a flagrant mistake in the defense rotation shown here.
I don't think having someone immobile in net is useful. Maybe at higher ranks it gets better although I highly doubt it. Rocket League is a game that plays at high speed and with big contacts. I'd rather have all three people rotate from back post to attacking the ball to rushing back to the back post. I don't think it's a good idea to look at it from the point of view of positions. It's three jobs from the point of view of one player and when done in rythm it makes for a much more fluid, constant and therefore harder to defend pressure. Basically the player at the back post is reading the ball to react to the teammate before him. Did he win/lose a 50-50, did the whiff, did he clear etc. From there he needs to attack the ball as soon as he sees the other teammate is getting ready to take his spot and while he's attacking, the teammate who whiffed (at silver this is the most likely scenario) is getting back to the back post to take the place of the player who is reading how the new attempt will play out.
Again, not a lot of experience with this game but understand rotation from other sports and played my share oh hockey so do with this what you will.
The only thing I'd change is I really prefer when the Keeper position (Position 3) is parallel to the goal, and typically at the back post, pushing to the forward post only when necessary. I feel like its easier to makes saves over the entire net from this position, generally. Obviously modified based on circumstances.
Yeah that's not a bad idea
Pro TIp: Don't even think about playing casual games, 90% of the community leaves instantly after getting scored on or is afk till they get kicked because there is no punishmetn for leaving.
That's why I only play competitive even when I just want to practice.
Casual is ok for trying out really risky things that you need to practice a lot more imo. No need to drop your teammates ranks bc you want to try something unnecessarily
alexleo1991 good for a warm up to get you used to moving the car also good for trying to implement new moves into your average play like halflips air dribbles or even just basic aeriels
Lee Worley I use casual games to check two things: 1. Is my Internet good to go; and 2. How well am I playing that day. If either of the two are off, then I won't play competitive because I don't want to drag others down.
3:29 WHAT A SAVE!
My teammates would rather die and attempt to score than to go back on defense and admit they were wrong
You say go back on defense like that's all they're allowed to do when you see a teammate going for it go back and get a boost and stop getting them from the middle of the arena and hogging like i always say do something or come back so i can i mean clearly they're better if they see more shots than you.
I hate playing with 2 passers and always being the one that defends and sees all these opened shots but its risky sometimes going for it and don't have as much confidence because idiots are always ahead of me so if i miss it's all my fault literally but at the end of the day it really isn't.
"Sound like Tina from Bob's Burgers."
I knew you sounded like someone but couldn't pin it down this whole time. Great video as always.
"Make the save!"-spam nearly ended me. That would've brought the toxicity of quickchat to new heights. Possibly glorious ones. Imagine all the ballchasers passing the ball to the other team and then spamming you with this shit. Holy fuck.
can you make a rotation video for 1v1?
The only thing that triggers me as much as toxic teammates are the ones that yell “Take the Shot!” over and over again. And they usually end up being toxic anyways.
Thanks for this, really helped out and was short!
We're gonna animate the shit out of it.
brilliant :)
Love the boosting to the bottom
When i was a noob i wish this video would have been posted because it took a long time to learn how to rotate, but i learned and now im platinum 3
5 years ago i watched this and i was like damn this is too complicated
- Trust your teammates
- When your teammate has the ball, get into a useful position (i.e. don't try to steal it - see point 1)
- If you are between the opposition's net and the ball, go defend (don't go for the ball - see point 1 & 2)
A guy named Vogan (you may remember him from RLCS S1 Flying Dutchmen) wrote up a really great post on how they ran their plays. He's retired now but their strategy took them all the way to LAN.
medium.com/@VoganRL/rocket-league-tactics-the-flying-dutchmens-system-ab2ebac4afd
Lots of great examples, diagrams, and actual footage of it working at the highest levels of competitive Rocket League.
NOO the series is too good to take a break from!
It'll be back :)
On defense, if I fail a clear from position 1, I cheat up on the sideline (sometimes all the way to half court or further) so the person in position 3 can clear it to me and make a counter attack. If you're constantly rotating back to net, you'll never make it out of your half of the field, especially as you get to higher ranks.
Yeah that's a good point.
This is overall just the basic its mostly used to get an knowledge of how rotation works, but nobody using it in Higher Elos because every team has some different players with different playstyles and need to adjust to get the best out of every player.
But this video is very good for understanding the basics
You're like a hot seth rogan, but a total Tina int he voice. Day 3 of Rocket League so thanks for the videos!
0:10 fidget spinner *TRIGGERRD*
A bit late to the party but great video: clear, concise, funny.
Man what a great video, perfect explanations.
great video. To be fair, I've watched you play rocket league and your laugh also sounds like Seth Rogans.
Make the save!
Make the save!
Make the save!
You are such a good editor!
This seriously makes almost all the difference in lower levels. I’m a silver II and pretty much every time my team has decent rotation we win. Pretty much every time we don’t, we lose.
I had one teammate put in the chat "I can't do everything" after the other team scored on us. I was thinking... why not?? LOL
Hahahaha, you totally need to start saying quotes from Bob's Burgers dude. Way to be a good spot about it!
You are awesome man. Startet watching you Videos at Silver 2 and now playing gold1/2. Keep practicing, thanks for the tipps :D
Tried explaining this to my friend that I play with last night. He responded uhhhhh..... durrrrrr.... so I said I'll draw a diagram.. this is much better then my diagram and 100%+ what I was trying to tell him. So thank you lol
Here’s the bottom line though, you can watch this video and understand how to rotate but if you can’t adjust to your teammates when you solo queue then you don’t deserve to be any higher than you are in rank. Rotating often makes you feel like you’re a smart player and you think because you were in the right position your teammates must’ve been wrong. Well yeah, but it’s your job to acknowledge your teammates positioning as well and adjust your rotations according to that. Sometimes on offense your teammate will constantly be the passer, banging the ball corner to corner. Sometimes your teammate loves shooting and will cut you off. It’s your job to recognize these playstyles and consider playing as last back for the majority of the game. Basically I’m saying that rotations aren’t everything there is and if you can’t adjust your rotations to your teammates, then you’re just as bad as them.