Something that I think is heavily implied is that Marka Ragnos taught a lot of things to Vitiate. I firmly subscribe to the theory that while Naga Shadow and Ludo Kreesh fooled themselves into being their master's favorite pupils and heirs. Vitiate was the one, the dark lord passed his true knowledge to.
Agreed 100% but question for you. How do you think ragnos would’ve felt about what vitiate ended up doing ? Making the Sith and Jedi just means to an end and didn’t really care for the Sith in general
@@davidloukas3158 I don't think that Vitiate Started out with that Goal. But Marka Ragnos wasn't that different. He didn't really care about the Sith Jedi conflict.
I was hoping he’d be the big bad in the sequel trilogy. Seemed like there was some set up for it in the books, with Palpatine having sensed a dark side power in the unknown regions so great he thought it might have been the source of the dark side. I thought that was gonna be Vitiate he sensed … but instead … 🤷🏻♂️
This should be made into a TV series or maybe even onto the big screen. Palpatine just about pales in comparison to Vitiate. Vitiate is truly terrifying.
I actually feel really sorry for Valkorion. I think that when Valkorion was being the kind man Senya described, he truly was Valkorion but when he was cold and distant, he was Vitiate. Imagine the movie Get Out but way worse.
@@misc1453 That seems highly unlikely, because at that point Valkorion is a complete Add-on of Tenebrae. But what is truly sad is the fate of his "family". Senya seemed like a caring person and had she met with someone not as evil as the "Emperor" the boys and the girl could've been wonderful people. When I played the game my real self struggled with my in-character cold bloodhungry Sith Warrior when I had to select the most douchebag conversation and action options towards the "family". Don't worry, I managed to kill them all without remorse and my Sith Warrior believed he was the most dangerous and unstoppable individual in the Galaxy :D
While Legends does imply Palpatine may have been born evil, there's enough interpretation that he started as merely the spoiled and bored rich kid raised by a narcissistic father Tenebrae however, there's no ambiguity. He's the dark side's spawn
There is a wild theory of how Tenebrae might have been birthed from a different dimension, where Evil is absolute. I didn't include it in the video as we need to be accurate, but it's an interesting thought... This dimension is said to be the same one Abeloth is from (Or lives?) Something like that.
@@SWCentral I think I know the dimension you're referring to. In The New Sith Wars 2,000bby to 1,000bby, there was a character believed to be Xendor from the First Great Schism, reborn from a dark dimension or something similar. Perhaps it's the same dimension? I dont think it's the same with Abeloth. Maybe the planet she was trapped on by the Maw Cluster, was similar to that dimension though. I remember reading in Fate of the Jedi, that Luke and the Lost Tribe of the Sith thought the planet was weird in its atmosphere. Maybe it's a world between dimensions?
@@DarthImagnus0790 Could be for sure! Honestly, I don't know much about the skywalker legacy in legends (I'm yet to visit that) so I tread carefully as I know hungry star wars fans are ready to eat you up when you get the lore wrong xD
@@SWCentral I hear you Haha the fans can be quite pushy to say the least. You're going to love that story arc with The Fate of the Jedi series. Think of how powerful Luke was in Mandalorian season 2, and then multiply that by 10. I think his abilities are so superior because he was similar to Revan, in terms of being trained in both the light and dark side
@@DarthImagnus0790 Absolutely! Haha. Oh wow, yeah i've heard lots of things / seens small clips of others videos about some of this legends stuff for the Skywalkers. Very interesting stuff, especially with Luke it seems!
It is such a cool Story. Imagine what a sick series of movies could be made just about this guy. The greatest and most powerful Sith to have ever existed - change my mind.
Here's the issue, aside from the fact Disney would mess it up for some reason we don't see alien characters being the focus for movies or shows. I guess the makeup takes ages, but IDK. Plus he's a villain so they'd never do that
@@BigBurg97 of course it can't be Disney, they have proven they shouldn't touch Star Wars time and time again. Also it's just hypothetical, but he wouldn't have to be the main character. Let him be the villain everybody wants to stop like the story goes anyway. Let Revan and the Outlander be the main character. And as they try to stop him tell his story as well. It's been kinda done before with Thanos and Tenebrae could be the more epic version of this. At least for me it's more intruiging to have this menace trying to consume the entire galaxy than snapping half of it out of existence.
I have to say that the knights of the eternal throne, knights of the fallen empire and onslaught stories arcs was amazing when it came to The Emperor/Emperors, "his kids" and how it all ended with a huge "force" battle with all known (mostly known in the game) force users to finally defeat him. But then the devs was like "oh, we forgot about Malgus... let's bring him back for a couple of missions and make people think The sith empress is the "bad guy" but it actually Malgus who is the main baddie"
I concur. After the last (And I must say, underrated) mission to finally dispatch Tenebrae and kill the big bad of the entire saga since it launched in 2011, things just feel...hollow. Like, where do we even go from here? We saved the entire Galaxy from an eldritch horror. Malgus pissing around with some obscure Sith's broken toys and a bunch of Mandos having a tantrum over Shae's leadership just doesn't fill that void. It's like, "Well done lads, we just killed Cthulu. Now it's up to us to stop a biker gang from terrorizing a town."
@@randomcenturion7264 It's because they're making it up as they go past the ending of the story because it's still making enough money to keep it going. Same reason WoW's story is in absolute ruins, for example. Most MMORPG developers these days can't end a game and release a proper sequel anymore.
@@ASNS117Zero I agree; Honestly feels like they should have started with Malgus. Then work towards Vitiate. At least then the progress would feel a bit more better plus. We could have gotten some stuff to build up towards Vitiate seeing as he's supposedly this god king Sith. Though to be fair maybe its cause I remember reading; The Revan novel and playing KOTOR AND KOTOR 2. I always felt Revan's and by extension the Outcast's stories were kinda ruined cause of Vitiate. He is a good villian, I just feel like his story was mishandled.
@@JackIntoGaming4721 It depends. Like, initial Vitiate was hot garbage. It was just an Emperor Palpatine expy, if said expy was written by a child who wanted to make sure *his* Sith Emperor was MOAR BETTAH. Basically, initial TOR Vitiate was as to Palpatine as Rey was to Luke. THEN we got Ziost, and *everything* changed. Vitiate post-Ziost is a COMPLETELY different character. We got into his head, learned what he was about, he became his own character, with his own motivations and goals. If Valkorion hadn't been a thing, I'd probably be the most vocal person in the room calling for TOR to just be deleted from everyone's memory. TOR has a number of pretty good stand-alone stories, but until the Zakuul arc, it just wasn't very good as a whole. Similarly, post Zakuul has been kind of shit. If I had my way, I'd make a 'director's cut' version of TOR that was single player, and specifically took a hybrid of the Sith Warrior and Inquisitor class storylines, integrated the ideas presented to us in the Revanites Dromund Kaas quest line (namely, that the Sith Emperor's current body *was* Revan) and culminating in having to destroy the Sith Emperor's current body ala toward the end of the Sith Warrior quest line. Have a political quest line in the interum that integrates the Inquisitor quest line, and moves into Ziost, and the Zakuul arc. End the story with an alternate ending where the Eternal Fleet is destroyed, so that it doesn't end up with the weak ass villain of the month excuse for why we lost it (because we had to lose it in order for TOR to progress toward canon Star Wars), and conclude it there.
"But then the devs was like 'oh, we forgot about Malgus'". Malak: I'm here too, devs! Remember me? I was there with Revan when we both were broken by Vitiate the first time around! You guys didn't forget about Meetra, so why am I not in the scene?!
Ever since I met him in the novel 🚨 The Old Republic Revan🚨 , I always wondered what this wretch had to be one of my favorite villains. I later found out it was because Tenebrae/The Sith Emperor/Valkorion is absolutely amazing.
I actually feel really sorry for Valkorion. I think that when Valkorion was being the kind man Senya described, he truly was Valkorion but when he was cold and distant, he was Vitiate. Imagine the movie Get Out but way worse.
Tenebrae didn't do anything to Marka Ragnos because he was a walking fetus at the time Marka Ragnos was still alive. He wasn't that old enough to do much.
@@VitiateTheImmortal debate able vitiate was afraid of the rise of naga sadow and other sith lords from his era hence why he had infiltrator sith embed themselves into the jedi order and republic to go into republic space and hunt down the resting places of sith that would be a threat to vitiate when he came into the galaxy. vitiate was afraid of naga sadow who wouldnt even think about attempting to fight ragnos. dont sleep on ragnos who could remove the force from his enemies bring them back to life and do so many terrible things that would make you beg for death he is the only sith lord to ever die naturally to age the greatest feat a sith can achieve he literally did not give a dam about dying he was truly unchained even coming back from the afterlife multiple times across the time line. also dont sleep on revan. revan was the 1st person to put the emperor down with not even a fraction of his life span or rituals used to empower himself.
That's because there were all crazy drunk with power of the dark side like the sith Lord the devourer of planets who was actually very weak because he was consumed by the dark side and had to feed in order to survive like an addict but palpatine was born to be a Darksider and embraced it actually he had some sense of order instability and a plan but he was one of the most powerful sith Lords ever to exist because of his mind and ability to full event Yoda of his true nature
I have deciphered the Emperor's plans and whatever they succeed or fail I emerge stronger, for now however i must remove myself from the field of conflict, let the Emperor and the Dark Council command the fleets while I pursue other matters.
Holy **** this was only released recently and I just picked up SWTOR again... coincidence I think not. This is the best video I've seen so far on the emperor
Objectively speaking I think he’s the greatest Star Wars Villain of all time. Someone who became so powerful he got bored of it all, and used the Empire he ruled over for centuries to try and become Immortal. But through this, he accumulated so many enemies to where the Force ITSELF had to erase him from existence.
True enough, but… As you point out, his goal was to become immortal - but also more powerful so he could actually accomplish his end game. Not only does the Dark feed off life, it also feeds off the chaos and mayhem that war creates, which is what he was orchestrating behind the scenes to continuously increase his power. But he was also trying to build a galaxy-wide empire of sorts that would be too weak to thwart him from his ultimate ambition - subsuming all life into his essence. Again, you’re also correct in saying The Force itself would have to erase him (jury’s still out on that one, unless the SW fandom site was seeking to retcon him) from existence. The Force, as we have been told of it, requires balance, and indeed it would be unbalanced if Vitiate had his way. Of course, there’s always the possibility the SkyRiver Galaxy would ‘simply’ become a Dark Force nexus, the Light Side fleeing to a neighboring one.
Imagine that the defeat of the emperor was so powerful that even caught the attention of a more powerful terrible being, Abeloth, and so she awaken to cause indescriptible terror on the old republic! Man these devs have so much material to pull of yet they decide to bring back malgus as the new threat which after valkorion feels stupid as he will never be as much threat as the emeperor was...
I don’t think bringing Abeloth is a good idea. She already is the main antagonist of the Fate of the Jedi arc of the EU so there is no need to use her again bcz we already know we are not the ones that are going to defeat her. I do agree, however, that after Vitiate the threat level has dropped significantly. Maybe bringing in some ancient Rakatan secret or the like would fit with the tone of TOR and be threatening enough to cause tension. Edit: I have the slight suspicion that they know this but are going to just bring the Emperor back yet again. I hope that doesn’t happen. Edit 2: I’m just spitballing here, but maybe something to do with Tulak Hord could work. We know so little about him but the game hypes him up quite a lot; could be interesting…
Abeloth vs Valkorion... Two deity's that should have never met... Immediately have babies together and create the most evil spawn we've seen to date. The break-up fight will be amazing...
@@hooman3636 She is much more powerful- like, beyond mortal capacity. Even in a massively weakened from and with a single avatar, she subconsciously vaporized a city with a single attack with about zero effort, Vitiate does not come anywhere near that. In her true form, she was considered a universal threat by the celestials. Valkorion may be capable of draining planets, but he does it through complex rituals with prep time and massive amounts of help/sacrifices. Abeloth is much stronger than that. I doubt he could even beat a single avatar in it's weakest state.
@@yggunshot8402 yeh my bad, havent seen much post empire legends stuff im afraid. I would say Valkorion is probably the most powerful character apart from gods like abeloth and the celestials, if you compare him to other force users
Don't wanna say that out loud or the Palpatine fanboys will come and ruin our days with their "Dark Empire Logic" But i do agree. He might wanted to consume all life in the galaxy but he did forged the sith into who they are.
@@jasonmaddex9369 yeah probably the ending that the rise of skywalker should've gotten. ALL of Tenebrae, Vitiate, Valkorion's victims that he Betrayed, manipulated and Murdered comes to face him. It was a incredible ending to the Immortal Emperor Story
@@galacticfirefly6060 we all knew how bad those movies were and yea a good end for the immortal sith emperor tho that's if it's his end he's a cockroach
He could have beaten the entire jedi council and palps too simultaneously in his prime lol Tenebrae is a real prodigy, he became an entity, no mortal could beat him. It took all those he killed combined…
Awesome video. The first comprehensive video I've seen on this powerhouse of a character. Because I'm fairly new to SW, i struggle with placing events in the time line but this video was really clear and elucidating 👍🏽
I know it's part of the game but I never reconciled a mere smuggler capable of defeating Tenebrae, even from the KOTET storyline, let alone Echoes of Oblivion lol.
I mean he was weaker then Ragnos at that point, he grew a lot stronger after Nathma and kept growing from that point. Its like Kid Goku bowing to King Vegeta.
Either way, I don't think Tenebrae was really bothered about interacting with the Sith or even Ragnos for that matter. He stayed out of everything until he saw an opportunity for himself to become stronger. Has he ever really cared about the ways of being Sith? Or did he just care ultimately for his own survival? That to me, is the real question here.
@@SWCentral It's a mix. The Sith ways themself glorify personal power and focus on individual strength. Every sith only cares about their own survival and personal power. His staying out of everything during the great hyperspace war falls well in line with the Sith way. Because it wasn't neutrality, he capitalized on the aftermath to seize absolute control.
Really nice job. I'm still closer to the start than the end, but it is already really good in these twelve minutes. I also wanted to say that the way it's edited between sentences now is much better than in that other video. It still feels like the pauses between many sentences are shorter than some in mid sentence, however, in this video that's no longer jarring to my ears at all. It sounds good. Not only it sounds fine, but now it gets the stylistic effect you probably were looking for and it gives it personality. In short, perfection.
"a new name, a new face. These are not enough to hide from us"-darth marr Marr was a very practical type of sith. I liked him. Satele was truly a smart one. Using herself as bait, knowing he wouldn't be able to resist.
Vitiate is beyond OP in Star Wars universe. Abeloth level or perhaps even more powerful. The movies era Jedi and Sith can not even compare to the Demi gods that the Old Republic era Sith and Jedi were.
I can't believe I didn't see the connection earlier. Vaylin is SWTOR's version of Jack from the Mass Effect games. It should have been obvious from the beginning to be perfectly honest but rewatching the rituals that sealed her power show her getting tattoos on her arms and possibly other parts of her body just like Jack who in the Mass Effect universe is considered one of the most powerful Biotics that ever lived just like how Vaylin is considered one of the most powerful Force Users that ever lived.
Big time :) many people in the SWTOR community drew some comparisons like this waaaaaay back when KoTFE first dropped. Vaylin is 100% inspired! She's a crowd favourite too, the devs will be bringing her back in the future. No spoilers for now though.
I actually feel really sorry for Valkorion. I think that when Valkorion was being the kind man Senya described, he truly was Valkorion but when he was cold and distant, he was Vitiate. Imagine the movie Get Out but way worse.
Nowhere. Unless you’re willing to pay for it to be created. George Lucas finally shut fans down about the EU. He didn’t want to be a party pooper and was hoping people would stop asking him to Canonize Legends content. He really wanted people to just enjoy it on their own time and leave him out of it. GL came out though and said that the Extended SW Universe means nothing to him; They’re legends. Myths. Fake stories that will never hold meaning for the Canon story. Yes, a few things here and there become canon these days under Disney; But until GL dies, I doubt they’ll canonize Legends. . Ergo, for at least a few more decades tops, we will never get to see Vitiate on the big screen. Unless, of course, you front the money.
there's a few reason why the Great sith emperor was legend and why he was a god of the force. He played the dark side well. Listen to the full extent of the video and you understand he used the dark side a lot. In public the sith emperor was not scary but wise powerful and even kind. A great leader many followed blindly to their death. He was prude he didn't like to fight. Its odd he did not for a sith he was very against the idea of a fight. When he fought he dominated. Its very likely he never tasted defeat because he was too smart too and hid in shadow where the dark side is the strongest. The reason he failed both times is he made to many enemy's and murdered too many souls. His original death was thanks to his own family who them self's were more then enough to rival him. With the outlander's aka Jedi hero with them Valkorion messed up and he messed up badly. I think there's a good reason for this. I truly believe when he split his presence between many hosts so did his goals. Many of his goals are very scattered around. Sure the great death ritual was a goal of his. But it failed. He had way too many options to cause chaos. The only thing that makes sense is Vitiate ritual created Multiple Egos inside of him. The emperor was not alone. Over time he probably conquered the other spirits and made all the power his own. Or so he thought. when you split your being you also split the freedom meaning the other being has freedom to do what they want and what they want might be against your plan. Many of the emperor plans have failed over time. You hear some about them in many of the empires story lines. Its very likely The emperor did not have full control over him self. When the two forces merged in Valkorion. This man was different he had a different plan and mission. He was kind and wise. he clearly used Revan's light side the most here. He realized the Sith empire was pointless to rule when everyone was a backstabber. But he was still a sith so he had cruel plans but the people of his new empire would love him for it. His plans are very messy if you piece them all together and listen to him. Its pretty clear the last encounter with him you see why. I believe the last fight against his original spirit tells you exactly why. The emperor of the Empire and the Emperor of zalkuul were two different entities of him. Both with different plans that was separate from the original. When they merged again so the plan changed. He wanted a new host. But why? he was already victorious and it was clear his son was becoming rebellious. Easy threats to deal with. na something changed. It was him. Anyways i firmly believe of the split personality theory of the emperor. It explains much and makes it much more interesting.
@@crushedscouter9522 yeah at least he died on his feet whereas Palpatine got carried and thrown down the reactor shaft that is even more embarrassing than a smuggler
I hate the idea that it was Vitiate who used mind whammy to turn Revan and Malak to the dark side. They should of made it that Revan and Malak found out about Durmankaas and the old Sith Empire, returned back to the Republic with this knowledge, but the Jedi, and Republic being so weakened by the Mandolorian wars, he knew that they (Republic) where no match for them (Sith Empire) he decided to (fall) wink wink, and go after the Star Forge and conquer the Republic to save it, and the rest is history. That would of been a way better story than the one we got! 🤦🏻♂️
After an eternity of nothingness, the Dark Lord would find himself drawn back to the material universe. Reduced to nothing more than a tiny ball of Dark Side energy literally held in a jar, he found himself at the mercy of a naive boy who did not even possess a proper name for he was merely a slave.
Very good story. Thanks. I read a detail like this. When Darth Revan and Darth Malak returned, the Sith were still able to control their minds. However, when they found the Starforge and entered it, this connection was lost. Because Starforge is also a dark side sentient being. In fact, when Revan is captured, Darth Nyriss recognizes her and demands to know how he escaped Sith influence. Since Scourge was allied with Revan and Surik until the moment he saw that vision, he denounced the Dark Council to the emperor in order to eliminate Nyriss and the other Sith.
He's imo the coolest SW character and his Sith Pureblood form is his coolest design, though his Valkorian form had a great voice and character. Without a doubt, he was the single strongest person in all of SW lore.
@@DM5550Z Personally, I think he's stronger than Abeloth. Abeloth fell to Luke and Darth Krayt, who are both some of if not the strongest force users of their day, but still fell to the two of them. Tenebrae needed to be slain several times, the last two of which the protagonist needed help with by several others. The Valkorion body was defeated by the Outlander with the help of the ghosts of Dramath and the four members of Valk's Zakuulian family. Tenebrae himself was only defeated once the Outlander and the spirits of the Zakuulian family, Revan, the Exile, Satele Shan, Darth Marr, Lord Scourge, and literally anywhere from 50 to 100 (or more) spirits used their collective strength to destroy him for the final time.
There's no good without evil and there's no evil without good you'll never be able to destroy either because they give balance to both and that's why the sith was weak because they actually thought they could destroy good forever
I love this video! Thanks for condensing a lot of the war lore in the middle section, as that’s confusing even when you’ve played the game. Also, I have to mention that sometimes you sound like Cartman lol.
My headcanon is that the dark side ritual he used to consume all life on Nathema was the Gravestone. Too convenient that the brains of Zildrog were on the same planet where he grew up and secluded himself for years. He finally managed to activate Zildrog. He followed the source of the power and found the Gravestone. With it he managed to get to Iokath, where he took the Eternal Fleet and the throne technology to create Zakuul. Then he hid the Gravestone, the only weapon capable of destroying his new fleet, in the swamps. Known only to him, in case someone manages to turn the Fleet against him. He used the Gravestone on Ziost again, then hid it back in the swamp. After his son's coup, he influenced the Outlander to reach the Gravestone, to be able to fight the Fleet. It wasn't fate, like Koth believed. All the pieces were part of Valkorion's plan. When people were assuming he used some dark ritual, he simply didn't correct them. The same way he never mentioned Iokath, the machine gods, or even the Gravestone being Zildrog.
@@kingatlanofatlantis3075 know what id agree with that one 100% legends sidious using 2 sabers was mental. Even a darksaber wielding maul never stood a chance
Tenebrae originally had a Midichlorian count of 10,000. After enhancing himself in the force, it is rose to over 30,000 and then after a thousand years, he managed to increase it further to 50,000 or more. Do know that Darth Nihilus had 100,000 and was defeated due to his weakened body. The Irony is that he was beaten by Darth Mortivarr who originally had a Midichlorian count of just 10 and was not deemed a force sensitive until one member of the Dark Council noticed a particularity with Mortivarr and his ability to resist damage and the destruction of his own body. He may have less Midichlorian but each of his Midichlorians gave him a near total sum power in the force equivalent to Darth Sion (in terms of resisting damage) as Mortivarr could not die no matter how severe his injuries were. Darth Sion had a Midichlorion account of 18,000. Although, not as strong since Mortivarr could only sustain himself. It was apparent he had a 2,000 equivalency and each of his Midichlorians was pushing a 200 equivalency as compared to any other force user. With his enhancements made by Darth Jadus, the one who saw potential, Mortivarr could walk around with a force power equivalent to 4,000. Enough to be noticed by the Sith as a potential apprentice for a Dark Lord. He did perform certain services for the Intelligence agency which included disguising himself as a booty hunter. Nevertheless, he was eventually assigned to infiltrate the Sith themselves. Even though slightly weaker than certain competitors, Motivarr was able to out best each of them proving himself competent enough to be the apprentice to both Lord Zash and Lord Baras. This delighted Zash but was a constant sore to Baras who would have to share the same apprentice. In time due to Mortivarr's cunning intellect and unorthodox skill for a Sith, he was able to impress both of his masters even while being busy doing errands for both of them. He also did jobs for the Imperial Ministry of Intelligence including continuing his charade as a bounty hunter and even found a means to maintain all four occupations with very little notice of any departure on his own part by using droids that could disguise and mimic him while using hyperdrive personal transportation devices to get from place to place and without notice even by non-Sith such as the Hutts and the Republic. Mortivarr was able to combined the disciplines of Baras and Zash together into creating his own with his own style of combat linking two lightsabers together, not as a dual blade but as a nunchuck, referred to as a Chain-Bladed Lightsaber. After enhancing himself further by absorbing five force ghosts and using Rakata Technology twice. His total number of midichlorians had skyrocketed from 10 to 1000 to 100,000. The amount of power he could muster for each Midichlorian cell had also increased 6x. Thus giving him a total power of 1.2 Billion equivalency. Making him strong enough to bind Abeloth back in her imprisonment after she somehow snuck out after Darth Mortivarr vanquished the Machine Gods which had functioned in this same task during the days of the Rakata Infinite Empire.
This dawned upon me, but...I actually think the spiritual imprint inscribed as tattoos on Tenebrae's body were actually made sometime before he did the Ritual of Nathema, and here are my reasons..... 1: Tenebrae in Echoes of Oblivion says that the version that the Outlander knew became too complacent, too distracted by "mortal concerns" such as "empires." Note that he says "empire" in plural, which includes the Sith Empire he ruled, which he took control after he consumed Nathema, which Tenebrae in Echoes of Oblivion frowns upon. 2: The original form of Tenebrae that we see in Echoes of Oblivion has so much expression and emotion of anger, self-ego, and just having full of expression and emotion overall. As you said in the video, and as shown and explained in the Revan novel, the Ritual of Nathema that rendered Tenebrae immortal made him shed many emotions, he became calm, calculating, cold, mostly expressionless, and only expresses a bit of emotion and anger when "necessary" for him. The Sith Emperor even explains this to Scourge in the ritual that made Scourge immortal in the Revan novel that Scourge would automatically shed many emotions because of his immortality. 3: As the Revan novel showed, and as you said in the video above, Tenebrae got a very demonic, legion reverberating voice that sounded like the souls of all who he had consumed on Nathema were trapped or imprinted inside of him. If the Tenebrae imprint that we see in Echoes of Oblivion was made post Ritual of Nathema, then why doesn't the Emperor have the echoing, demonic souls voice? He has a single voice that sounds normal. Overall, I came to the conclusion that the Tenebrae imprint we see in Echoes of Oblivion was actually more ancient than we thought, possibly made several years, maybe decades before the Ritual of Nathema. What do you think of this?
I feel like your first point holds a lot of weight. This is something we have guessed around for a long time but it seems some evidence was right there under our noses… well spotted my friend. I see no reason to disagree with you. I have long suspected myself that this imprint was done long before Revans time at the very least. Love it!
Amazing video mate. It was very refreshing to see someone take a step up and make such a great video in very new concept of mixing storytelling,flashback sequences and sentences,and is it SWTOR Angels in 12:56 who voiced the other echo? anyways keep up the good work
George Lucas came forth and said Legends has never meant a single thing to him; it’s just fan fiction. Because of this, we’ll never see shows about Legends Sith. The only Sith that actually exist are just the ones in the movies and canon cartoons / Live action shows. We could maybe get a Darth Maul show, or one about Darth Vader after Anakin “died,” but we will never see canon shows about someone like Revan, Nihilus, Vitiate/Tenebrae, etc. They simply do not exist, nor does the Old republic. It never happened; It’s just myth.
@@SWCentral Valkorion's main motivation, according to himself at least, is to live forever so he can experience everything the Universe has to offer. He wants to consume the galaxy so he can enjoy everything else the universe has to offer. He wants to be an artist, a farmer, a leader, etc.
@@The-Blue-Knight I see your point, but also keep in mind the entire universe is a big place. Perhaps there is more to be discovered and coveted, or perhaps the Emperor would simply leave one chosen civilisation alive as to rebirth society. Many ways to do it :) either way, he was hell bent on manipulation and in the end, it cost him everything.
This character is such an unsufferable Mary Sue and his presence in the story is bearable only because he's the villain you're trying to defeat for 2 games and an entire MMO for the main story and 4 expansions. Your characters hate him as much as you do.
How is he a marry sue he littraly had to hide til he was strong enough after doing many sith alchemy and consume life in the galaxy to reach the lvl of force deity took him a total of like 1500 years a marry sue is born with perfect power don't need training and pull shit out of their arse like Rey
@@VintasticGamingHe was literally born with the power to overthrow his father, a powerful Sith Lord, was immediately favored by the Sith emperor at the time (Marca Ragnoss) and by the time of the great hyperspace war was powerful enough to dominate a significant fraction of the Sith who survived the war, to consume them in a ritual that made him mostly immortal. For the next thousand years he was behind nearly every significant event that happened as he gradually subverted the entire plot and story to his will particularly by the time the games start. About half of everything that happens in the MMO is some plot or project of his. He built two massive secret empires with ancient alien technology he just happened to find lying around, technology from an ancient alien civilization that has little or no other impacts on the galaxy. He can influence people with the force from across the galaxy. The main thing that makes a character a Mary Sue is that their presence bends the story around them everything in the old republic setting is bent around Tenebrae. You find a fucking Dashade imprisoned on Yavin 4 who just so happens to have been imprisoned by him in the time of the New Sith Wars. Imagine if Rey had been that powerful from her first film, like if she didn't just wound Kilo but had the power to bring him to his knees with her mind alone.
24:43 The sacking of Coruscant was very much part of the plan, the intent was holding the entire planet hostage as leverage for the negotiations on Alderaan while also crippling the Jedi order right at the end of the war. There's absolutely no way Malgus did that on his own.
Of course the sacking of Coruscant was part of the plan :D Malgus did not agree with a peace treaty though. The fact he wasn't told along with the Emperor making wierd commands, this caused Malgus to rebel from the empire like 20 years later. It's the entire reason he tried to restart a new empire. There were more reasons of course, but the peace treaty on coruscant was almost certainly the calatyst. It's explained much better in the novel how Malgus feels about all this.
Not all the Sith was so focused on personal gain they wanted personal gain they also realised working together to have an empire of power over the weak exist in as their regime as a empire and rule the galaxy and Lord over it while also seeking personal gain. It’s not that they didn’t work together to try and achieve that ultimate goal
Actually he did have one apprentice during the Great Galactic War during the Sith’s return. She was one of the first children of the Emperor & tried to betray the Emperor after the Begren Colonies were taken by the Empire. The Emperor ordered Thanatonbwho was a young Sith apprentice at the time to destroy his apprentice, however in doing so Thanaton found out of the children of the emperor which at the time was a secret even to the Dark Council including Darth Marr, Ravage, Vowrawn & others. Thanaton bargained with the Dark council to reveal the children of the emperor in returning becoming a Darth.
Around 26:30 you mention the three ‘common’ manifestations of Vitiate: The Sith Emperor, The Eternal Emperor Valkorian, and then Tenebrae, who’s somewhere hidden on ice. My question is in regards to ‘who’s the Sith Emperor is…that is, what’s his name, or how would someone actually address him? The Eternal Emporer is easy - it’s Valkorian. And even though no one probably even knows of his existence, Tenebrae is also easy - it’s Tenebrae. But what’s the Sith Emperor’s name? Is it ‘still’ Vitiate? I didn’t think so, because the name ‘Vitiate’ is from so long ago; the Sith Emperor wouldn’t use this moniker since he wants to keep his immortality secret. So does anyone know him by anything other than ‘The Sith Emperor?’ It doesn’t help when I go to the fandom sites, search on ‘The Sith Emperor,’ and get “Tenebrae, Vitiate, and Valkorian” as responses.
Edit: Ok, after doing some VERY quick scanning, the Sith hierarchy during the Old Sith Empire, the Reconstituted Sith Empire, the Eternal Empire, the Sith Empire, the True Sith Empire, the Galactic Empire, the Fel Empire, the Dark Council….heck, even Revan’s Sith Empire, among others, the Sith hierarchy is COMPLICATED!! Finding out who or what Vitiate was referred to before (and after) he manifested as Valkorian is the least of my problems. Wow, I had no idea what a historically scholastic mess the Sith timeline is. There must be an infinite number of stories within it just waiting to be written! Very cool, very exciting.
Haha! Yeah this character has ALOT to it. The things is, The Emperor (Vitiate) created his dark council so that he himself does not need to oversee the Empire personally. He passed off the small trivial tasks while he pursued... Other interests. If someone was to gaze upon the Emperor, your mind would slip into a void. His very presence could corrupt the most dedicated of Jedi to the dark. Master Tol Braga is one such example. A pathetic Jedi Master who thought he could redeem the Emperor, misguided childish notions. To answer your question. You don't address the Emperor, and if you do, it's because he summoned you or called you personally. In which case, you would always know it's your Emperor calling. If it makes things easier, we refer to the Original version of him (Red skinned) as Tenebrae. His *SITH* self is known exclusively as Darth Vitiate/The Sith Emperor and his self from Zakuul, is of course known as the Immortal Emperor Valkorion. Tenebrae since birth, Vitiate since 13 yrs old, Valkorion since roughly 1100 years old or sooner.
It's a cinematic made for two expansion packs to the mmo Star Wars: The Old Republic, the expansions are named Knights of the Fallen Empire and Knights of the Eternal Throne
@chrismathiason8277 Thanks. This got me playing TOR after being underwhelmed on its release. Always loved KOTOR 1&2 but never knew the mmo had grown so well. It was appalling when it was released from what I remember. But thanks either way. I'll look at the pack.
@SWCentral Thanks man. After a poor release years ago I was put off this game but your videos have got me right back into it and it's a whole new beast. I love lore rich Sci fi like this and Warhammer 40k.
I understand that Lucas said Palpatine was the most powerful Sith but Vitiate ruled a planet that had powerful Sith on it by the time he was 10 years old. He killed his parents when he was 6 years old but not before he tortured his mother for months on end. He tricked the Sith on his planet into doing a ritual that gave him way more power and life then Palpatine ever had. He lived 1500 years. He also turned Revan and Malek instantly to the dark side. When did Palps ever accomplish shit to that scale. He ruled most of the galaxy for 20 years and was destroyed by his apprentice and his forces were defeated by teddy bears. Vitiate knew Sith knowledge that Palpy never did. How is Palpatine better? How?!?!🤫
Agree and agree. Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorian/The Sith Emperor has no peer, unless somehow we find out that Sidious was able to consume Vitiate’s Force presence. I hope that is unlikely, but from what I understand, disney has taken a lot of liberties with its ownership of the SW storyline. (I wouldn’t know; I’ve not watched anything they’ve produced after Rogue One. Not until they reverse direction on their bs DIE ideology.)
I always think of Tenebrae whenever I hear that Kathleen Kennedy interview where she complains about the lack of lore in the Star Wars universe…. Should have adapted his story for the new sequel trilogy
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can we just acknowledge that at age 13, he conquered his first planet and was the youngest sith lord in history
I wanted to know what made him special. His father had legitimate another son. I think his mother being non force sensitive may also be the reason
It’s a story dude…
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And became the longest living sith
No, I don't want to talk about that
Something that I think is heavily implied is that Marka Ragnos taught a lot of things to Vitiate. I firmly subscribe to the theory that while Naga Shadow and Ludo Kreesh fooled themselves into being their master's favorite pupils and heirs. Vitiate was the one, the dark lord passed his true knowledge to.
Agreed 100% but question for you. How do you think ragnos would’ve felt about what vitiate ended up doing ? Making the Sith and Jedi just means to an end and didn’t really care for the Sith in general
@@davidloukas3158 I don't think that Vitiate Started out with that Goal. But Marka Ragnos wasn't that different.
He didn't really care about the Sith Jedi conflict.
@@ofrund I feel like the older he became the less he cared.
I wish more people knew about Vitiate. He’s honestly one of my favourite villains of all time.
He's incredibly lame
@@crushedscouter9522 huh, seems you both have something in common then
I was hoping he’d be the big bad in the sequel trilogy. Seemed like there was some set up for it in the books, with Palpatine having sensed a dark side power in the unknown regions so great he thought it might have been the source of the dark side. I thought that was gonna be Vitiate he sensed … but instead … 🤷🏻♂️
@@derelict06 I think it would make more sense for it to be Abeloth.
@@zegpath81 🥺
This should be made into a TV series or maybe even onto the big screen. Palpatine just about pales in comparison to Vitiate. Vitiate is truly terrifying.
I actually feel really sorry for Valkorion. I think that when Valkorion was being the kind man Senya described, he truly was Valkorion but when he was cold and distant, he was Vitiate. Imagine the movie Get Out but way worse.
Disney would ruin this story.
@@misc1453 That seems highly unlikely, because at that point Valkorion is a complete Add-on of Tenebrae. But what is truly sad is the fate of his "family". Senya seemed like a caring person and had she met with someone not as evil as the "Emperor" the boys and the girl could've been wonderful people. When I played the game my real self struggled with my in-character cold bloodhungry Sith Warrior when I had to select the most douchebag conversation and action options towards the "family".
Don't worry, I managed to kill them all without remorse and my Sith Warrior believed he was the most dangerous and unstoppable individual in the Galaxy :D
While Legends does imply Palpatine may have been born evil, there's enough interpretation that he started as merely the spoiled and bored rich kid raised by a narcissistic father
Tenebrae however, there's no ambiguity. He's the dark side's spawn
There is a wild theory of how Tenebrae might have been birthed from a different dimension, where Evil is absolute. I didn't include it in the video as we need to be accurate, but it's an interesting thought... This dimension is said to be the same one Abeloth is from (Or lives?) Something like that.
@@SWCentral I think I know the dimension you're referring to. In The New Sith Wars 2,000bby to 1,000bby, there was a character believed to be Xendor from the First Great Schism, reborn from a dark dimension or something similar. Perhaps it's the same dimension?
I dont think it's the same with Abeloth. Maybe the planet she was trapped on by the Maw Cluster, was similar to that dimension though. I remember reading in Fate of the Jedi, that Luke and the Lost Tribe of the Sith thought the planet was weird in its atmosphere. Maybe it's a world between dimensions?
@@DarthImagnus0790 Could be for sure! Honestly, I don't know much about the skywalker legacy in legends (I'm yet to visit that) so I tread carefully as I know hungry star wars fans are ready to eat you up when you get the lore wrong xD
@@SWCentral I hear you Haha the fans can be quite pushy to say the least. You're going to love that story arc with The Fate of the Jedi series. Think of how powerful Luke was in Mandalorian season 2, and then multiply that by 10. I think his abilities are so superior because he was similar to Revan, in terms of being trained in both the light and dark side
@@DarthImagnus0790 Absolutely! Haha. Oh wow, yeah i've heard lots of things / seens small clips of others videos about some of this legends stuff for the Skywalkers. Very interesting stuff, especially with Luke it seems!
It is such a cool Story. Imagine what a sick series of movies could be made just about this guy.
The greatest and most powerful Sith to have ever existed - change my mind.
"Change my mind"
No... No I don't think I will.
Here's the issue, aside from the fact Disney would mess it up for some reason we don't see alien characters being the focus for movies or shows. I guess the makeup takes ages, but IDK. Plus he's a villain so they'd never do that
@@BigBurg97 of course it can't be Disney, they have proven they shouldn't touch Star Wars time and time again.
Also it's just hypothetical, but he wouldn't have to be the main character. Let him be the villain everybody wants to stop like the story goes anyway. Let Revan and the Outlander be the main character. And as they try to stop him tell his story as well.
It's been kinda done before with Thanos and Tenebrae could be the more epic version of this. At least for me it's more intruiging to have this menace trying to consume the entire galaxy than snapping half of it out of existence.
They would have to make animated CGI movie like the bioware expansion trailer's
_Legends_ Sidious is a close second.
Vitiate is the definition of Dark Lord in the Star Wars world. Such a dangerous foe. I think his patience might be his greatest attribute. 🤔
I have to say that the knights of the eternal throne, knights of the fallen empire and onslaught stories arcs was amazing when it came to The Emperor/Emperors, "his kids" and how it all ended with a huge "force" battle with all known (mostly known in the game) force users to finally defeat him. But then the devs was like "oh, we forgot about Malgus... let's bring him back for a couple of missions and make people think The sith empress is the "bad guy" but it actually Malgus who is the main baddie"
I concur. After the last (And I must say, underrated) mission to finally dispatch Tenebrae and kill the big bad of the entire saga since it launched in 2011, things just feel...hollow.
Like, where do we even go from here? We saved the entire Galaxy from an eldritch horror. Malgus pissing around with some obscure Sith's broken toys and a bunch of Mandos having a tantrum over Shae's leadership just doesn't fill that void.
It's like, "Well done lads, we just killed Cthulu. Now it's up to us to stop a biker gang from terrorizing a town."
@@randomcenturion7264 It's because they're making it up as they go past the ending of the story because it's still making enough money to keep it going. Same reason WoW's story is in absolute ruins, for example. Most MMORPG developers these days can't end a game and release a proper sequel anymore.
@@ASNS117Zero I agree; Honestly feels like they should have started with Malgus. Then work towards Vitiate. At least then the progress would feel a bit more better plus. We could have gotten some stuff to build up towards Vitiate seeing as he's supposedly this god king Sith.
Though to be fair maybe its cause I remember reading; The Revan novel and playing KOTOR AND KOTOR 2. I always felt Revan's and by extension the Outcast's stories were kinda ruined cause of Vitiate.
He is a good villian, I just feel like his story was mishandled.
@@JackIntoGaming4721 It depends. Like, initial Vitiate was hot garbage. It was just an Emperor Palpatine expy, if said expy was written by a child who wanted to make sure *his* Sith Emperor was MOAR BETTAH. Basically, initial TOR Vitiate was as to Palpatine as Rey was to Luke.
THEN we got Ziost, and *everything* changed.
Vitiate post-Ziost is a COMPLETELY different character. We got into his head, learned what he was about, he became his own character, with his own motivations and goals. If Valkorion hadn't been a thing, I'd probably be the most vocal person in the room calling for TOR to just be deleted from everyone's memory. TOR has a number of pretty good stand-alone stories, but until the Zakuul arc, it just wasn't very good as a whole.
Similarly, post Zakuul has been kind of shit.
If I had my way, I'd make a 'director's cut' version of TOR that was single player, and specifically took a hybrid of the Sith Warrior and Inquisitor class storylines, integrated the ideas presented to us in the Revanites Dromund Kaas quest line (namely, that the Sith Emperor's current body *was* Revan) and culminating in having to destroy the Sith Emperor's current body ala toward the end of the Sith Warrior quest line. Have a political quest line in the interum that integrates the Inquisitor quest line, and moves into Ziost, and the Zakuul arc. End the story with an alternate ending where the Eternal Fleet is destroyed, so that it doesn't end up with the weak ass villain of the month excuse for why we lost it (because we had to lose it in order for TOR to progress toward canon Star Wars), and conclude it there.
"But then the devs was like 'oh, we forgot about Malgus'".
Malak: I'm here too, devs! Remember me? I was there with Revan when we both were broken by Vitiate the first time around! You guys didn't forget about Meetra, so why am I not in the scene?!
Ever since I met him in the novel 🚨 The Old Republic Revan🚨 , I always wondered what this wretch had to be one of my favorite villains. I later found out it was because Tenebrae/The Sith Emperor/Valkorion is absolutely amazing.
I actually feel really sorry for Valkorion. I think that when Valkorion was being the kind man Senya described, he truly was Valkorion but when he was cold and distant, he was Vitiate. Imagine the movie Get Out but way worse.
Marka Ragnos was truly great! That even this guy didn't try anything against him......Revan was also great!
Tenebrae didn't do anything to Marka Ragnos because he was a walking fetus at the time Marka Ragnos was still alive. He wasn't that old enough to do much.
@@Marinanor Yeah and Revan was Vitiates bitch
He was too young to go against the great Marka Ragnos. Only after Nathema he was stronger
@@VitiateTheImmortal debate able vitiate was afraid of the rise of naga sadow and other sith lords from his era hence why he had infiltrator sith embed themselves into the jedi order and republic to go into republic space and hunt down the resting places of sith that would be a threat to vitiate when he came into the galaxy.
vitiate was afraid of naga sadow who wouldnt even think about attempting to fight ragnos.
dont sleep on ragnos who could remove the force from his enemies bring them back to life and do so many terrible things that would make you beg for death he is the only sith lord to ever die naturally to age the greatest feat a sith can achieve he literally did not give a dam about dying he was truly unchained even coming back from the afterlife multiple times across the time line.
also dont sleep on revan. revan was the 1st person to put the emperor down with not even a fraction of his life span or rituals used to empower himself.
@@darthrevan7923 Revan lost to Vitiate every time.
it was marka ragnos who cautioned vitiate to avoid the poltics of the sith after his death.
Vitiate made palpatine look like a little school girl
Valkorion is definitely more powerful than Palpatine
Palpatine is more powerful it’s stated multiple times and his ability both with the force and sabers is stronger
@@rossatkinson8621 All the statements predate Valkorion and he is not a Sith so that argument caves in.
That's because there were all crazy drunk with power of the dark side like the sith Lord the devourer of planets who was actually very weak because he was consumed by the dark side and had to feed in order to survive like an addict but palpatine was born to be a Darksider and embraced it actually he had some sense of order instability and a plan but he was one of the most powerful sith Lords ever to exist because of his mind and ability to full event Yoda of his true nature
@@rossatkinson8621 the 🍆 🏄🏽♂️ is crazy, palpatine was definitely weaker
I have deciphered the Emperor's plans and whatever they succeed or fail I emerge stronger, for now however i must remove myself from the field of conflict, let the Emperor and the Dark Council command the fleets while I pursue other matters.
Holy **** this was only released recently and I just picked up SWTOR again... coincidence I think not.
This is the best video I've seen so far on the emperor
Appreciate that! :D
Objectively speaking I think he’s the greatest Star Wars Villain of all time. Someone who became so powerful he got bored of it all, and used the Empire he ruled over for centuries to try and become Immortal. But through this, he accumulated so many enemies to where the Force ITSELF had to erase him from existence.
True enough, but… As you point out, his goal was to become immortal - but also more powerful so he could actually accomplish his end game. Not only does the Dark feed off life, it also feeds off the chaos and mayhem that war creates, which is what he was orchestrating behind the scenes to continuously increase his power. But he was also trying to build a galaxy-wide empire of sorts that would be too weak to thwart him from his ultimate ambition - subsuming all life into his essence.
Again, you’re also correct in saying The Force itself would have to erase him (jury’s still out on that one, unless the SW fandom site was seeking to retcon him) from existence. The Force, as we have been told of it, requires balance, and indeed it would be unbalanced if Vitiate had his way.
Of course, there’s always the possibility the SkyRiver Galaxy would ‘simply’ become a Dark Force nexus, the Light Side fleeing to a neighboring one.
Excellent. Any video about swtor lore, but specifically Sith Purebloods, makes my day!
Imagine that the defeat of the emperor was so powerful that even caught the attention of a more powerful terrible being, Abeloth, and so she awaken to cause indescriptible terror on the old republic! Man these devs have so much material to pull of yet they decide to bring back malgus as the new threat which after valkorion feels stupid as he will never be as much threat as the emeperor was...
thing is, i dont know if abeloth is actually more powerful than prime valkorion
I don’t think bringing Abeloth is a good idea. She already is the main antagonist of the Fate of the Jedi arc of the EU so there is no need to use her again bcz we already know we are not the ones that are going to defeat her.
I do agree, however, that after Vitiate the threat level has dropped significantly. Maybe bringing in some ancient Rakatan secret or the like would fit with the tone of TOR and be threatening enough to cause tension.
Edit: I have the slight suspicion that they know this but are going to just bring the Emperor back yet again. I hope that doesn’t happen.
Edit 2: I’m just spitballing here, but maybe something to do with Tulak Hord could work. We know so little about him but the game hypes him up quite a lot; could be interesting…
Abeloth vs Valkorion... Two deity's that should have never met... Immediately have babies together and create the most evil spawn we've seen to date. The break-up fight will be amazing...
@@hooman3636 She is much more powerful- like, beyond mortal capacity. Even in a massively weakened from and with a single avatar, she subconsciously vaporized a city with a single attack with about zero effort, Vitiate does not come anywhere near that. In her true form, she was considered a universal threat by the celestials. Valkorion may be capable of draining planets, but he does it through complex rituals with prep time and massive amounts of help/sacrifices. Abeloth is much stronger than that. I doubt he could even beat a single avatar in it's weakest state.
@@yggunshot8402 yeh my bad, havent seen much post empire legends stuff im afraid. I would say Valkorion is probably the most powerful character apart from gods like abeloth and the celestials, if you compare him to other force users
What a way to have the final storyline of SWTOR I had left to do spoiled for me! Serves me right for taking 10 years to finish a game tbh
Awsome video
Always a pleasure to work with you! We're looking forward to our next large project where you get to show off your voice talent much more!
Vitiate deserves all the respect that other great sith Lords have he's so powerful he could probably defeat yoda and palpatine
Don't wanna say that out loud or the Palpatine fanboys will come and ruin our days with their "Dark Empire Logic"
But i do agree. He might wanted to consume all life in the galaxy but he did forged the sith into who they are.
@@galacticfirefly6060 palpatines final defeat in dark empire was by the spirits of dead Jedi and vitiate was defeated by both Jedi and sith spirits
@@jasonmaddex9369 yeah probably the ending that the rise of skywalker should've gotten. ALL of Tenebrae, Vitiate, Valkorion's victims that he Betrayed, manipulated and Murdered comes to face him. It was a incredible ending to the Immortal Emperor Story
@@galacticfirefly6060 we all knew how bad those movies were and yea a good end for the immortal sith emperor tho that's if it's his end he's a cockroach
He could have beaten the entire jedi council and palps too simultaneously in his prime lol Tenebrae is a real prodigy, he became an entity, no mortal could beat him. It took all those he killed combined…
I wish we could get a movie or series about this era.
Awesome video.
The first comprehensive video I've seen on this powerhouse of a character.
Because I'm fairly new to SW, i struggle with placing events in the time line but this video was really clear and elucidating 👍🏽
I'm glad we could bring you this epic tale! Be sure to check back for more!
I know it's part of the game but I never reconciled a mere smuggler capable of defeating Tenebrae, even from the KOTET storyline, let alone Echoes of Oblivion lol.
A head spinning convoluted masterpiece. Trying to wrap my head around it all. I enjoyed it.
Darth Sidious could only dream of such power
the fact that even tenebrae knelt before marka ragnos👑
I mean he was weaker then Ragnos at that point, he grew a lot stronger after Nathma and kept growing from that point. Its like Kid Goku bowing to King Vegeta.
Marka Ragnos was just lucky to be older than Tenebrae
Either way, I don't think Tenebrae was really bothered about interacting with the Sith or even Ragnos for that matter. He stayed out of everything until he saw an opportunity for himself to become stronger. Has he ever really cared about the ways of being Sith? Or did he just care ultimately for his own survival? That to me, is the real question here.
@@SWCentral It's a mix. The Sith ways themself glorify personal power and focus on individual strength. Every sith only cares about their own survival and personal power. His staying out of everything during the great hyperspace war falls well in line with the Sith way. Because it wasn't neutrality, he capitalized on the aftermath to seize absolute control.
@@AbsurdFalcon Here I thought even Marka Ragnos acknowledged him as an equal.
Palpatine would even shit himself 1v1ing him
Really nice job. I'm still closer to the start than the end, but it is already really good in these twelve minutes. I also wanted to say that the way it's edited between sentences now is much better than in that other video. It still feels like the pauses between many sentences are shorter than some in mid sentence, however, in this video that's no longer jarring to my ears at all. It sounds good. Not only it sounds fine, but now it gets the stylistic effect you probably were looking for and it gives it personality. In short, perfection.
Thank you so much for the feedback! Thank you x1000 :D
"a new name, a new face. These are not enough to hide from us"-darth marr
Marr was a very practical type of sith.
I liked him.
Satele was truly a smart one. Using herself as bait, knowing he wouldn't be able to resist.
Vitiate is beyond OP in Star Wars universe. Abeloth level or perhaps even more powerful.
The movies era Jedi and Sith can not even compare to the Demi gods that the Old Republic era Sith and Jedi were.
I can't believe I didn't see the connection earlier. Vaylin is SWTOR's version of Jack from the Mass Effect games.
It should have been obvious from the beginning to be perfectly honest but rewatching the rituals that sealed her power show her getting tattoos on her arms and possibly other parts of her body just like Jack who in the Mass Effect universe is considered one of the most powerful Biotics that ever lived just like how Vaylin is considered one of the most powerful Force Users that ever lived.
Big time :) many people in the SWTOR community drew some comparisons like this waaaaaay back when KoTFE first dropped. Vaylin is 100% inspired! She's a crowd favourite too, the devs will be bringing her back in the future. No spoilers for now though.
I actually feel really sorry for Valkorion. I think that when Valkorion was being the kind man Senya described, he truly was Valkorion but when he was cold and distant, he was Vitiate. Imagine the movie Get Out but way worse.
Loved playing Tenebrae
Bro I totally forgot to put you on the end credit scene :( - This guy game acted Tenebrae for us and was awesome and patient for the role! ❤️
@@SWCentral hahhaa
Smarter than palps, Stronger than palps, and even better looking than palps. Where is our movie trilogy based on this guy?
Nowhere. Unless you’re willing to pay for it to be created. George Lucas finally shut fans down about the EU. He didn’t want to be a party pooper and was hoping people would stop asking him to Canonize Legends content. He really wanted people to just enjoy it on their own time and leave him out of it.
GL came out though and said that the Extended SW Universe means nothing to him; They’re legends. Myths. Fake stories that will never hold meaning for the Canon story.
Yes, a few things here and there become canon these days under Disney; But until GL dies, I doubt they’ll canonize Legends.
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Ergo, for at least a few more decades tops, we will never get to see Vitiate on the big screen. Unless, of course, you front the money.
@@johnnyrocket1685there is also the option of taking care of GL just staying
Not gay enough to make it happen
This is where the fun begins.
Great job on this! I can tell you spent a lot of time making it. Turned out great
Truly one of the greatest yet undertated villains
wonderful work! Best compilation I've seen on Tenebrae. Thank you for all the hard work, and keep them coming. 😊
Love the complete history. Great vid!! It’s clear u put so much effort into this and it shows. Great production
Thank you friend :) more coming so be sure to check back!
Nice, it's about time we had a good history video about Tenebrae.
Thanks! More coming!
there's a few reason why the Great sith emperor was legend and why he was a god of the force. He played the dark side well. Listen to the full extent of the video and you understand he used the dark side a lot. In public the sith emperor was not scary but wise powerful and even kind. A great leader many followed blindly to their death. He was prude he didn't like to fight. Its odd he did not for a sith he was very against the idea of a fight. When he fought he dominated. Its very likely he never tasted defeat because he was too smart too and hid in shadow where the dark side is the strongest. The reason he failed both times is he made to many enemy's and murdered too many souls. His original death was thanks to his own family who them self's were more then enough to rival him. With the outlander's aka Jedi hero with them Valkorion messed up and he messed up badly. I think there's a good reason for this. I truly believe when he split his presence between many hosts so did his goals. Many of his goals are very scattered around. Sure the great death ritual was a goal of his. But it failed. He had way too many options to cause chaos. The only thing that makes sense is Vitiate ritual created Multiple Egos inside of him. The emperor was not alone. Over time he probably conquered the other spirits and made all the power his own. Or so he thought. when you split your being you also split the freedom meaning the other being has freedom to do what they want and what they want might be against your plan. Many of the emperor plans have failed over time. You hear some about them in many of the empires story lines. Its very likely The emperor did not have full control over him self. When the two forces merged in Valkorion. This man was different he had a different plan and mission. He was kind and wise. he clearly used Revan's light side the most here. He realized the Sith empire was pointless to rule when everyone was a backstabber. But he was still a sith so he had cruel plans but the people of his new empire would love him for it. His plans are very messy if you piece them all together and listen to him. Its pretty clear the last encounter with him you see why. I believe the last fight against his original spirit tells you exactly why. The emperor of the Empire and the Emperor of zalkuul were two different entities of him. Both with different plans that was separate from the original. When they merged again so the plan changed. He wanted a new host. But why? he was already victorious and it was clear his son was becoming rebellious. Easy threats to deal with. na something changed. It was him. Anyways i firmly believe of the split personality theory of the emperor. It explains much and makes it much more interesting.
Storywise and powerwise Vitiate is bounds and leaps ahead of Palpatine
Lol he was beaten by a random smuggler
@@crushedscouter9522 canon it was jedi knight who defeated him cause he's the canon bioware use
@@VintasticGaming it took the help of revan satella shan, darth mar, and more to bring him down
Valkorion is definitely more powerful than Palpatine
@@crushedscouter9522 yeah at least he died on his feet whereas Palpatine got carried and thrown down the reactor shaft that is even more embarrassing than a smuggler
I hate the idea that it was Vitiate who used mind whammy to turn Revan and Malak to the dark side. They should of made it that Revan and Malak found out about Durmankaas and the old Sith Empire, returned back to the Republic with this knowledge, but the Jedi, and Republic being so weakened by the Mandolorian wars, he knew that they (Republic) where no match for them (Sith Empire) he decided to (fall) wink wink, and go after the Star Forge and conquer the Republic to save it, and the rest is history. That would of been a way better story than the one we got! 🤦🏻♂️
After an eternity of nothingness, the Dark Lord would find himself drawn back to the material universe. Reduced to nothing more than a tiny ball of Dark Side energy literally held in a jar, he found himself at the mercy of a naive boy who did not even possess a proper name for he was merely a slave.
This is a great history about him. Definitely have learned a lot
Very good story. Thanks. I read a detail like this. When Darth Revan and Darth Malak returned, the Sith were still able to control their minds. However, when they found the Starforge and entered it, this connection was lost. Because Starforge is also a dark side sentient being. In fact, when Revan is captured, Darth Nyriss recognizes her and demands to know how he escaped Sith influence. Since Scourge was allied with Revan and Surik until the moment he saw that vision, he denounced the Dark Council to the emperor in order to eliminate Nyriss and the other Sith.
Vitiate to Mitra Suric: "you should've gone for the head"
Really appreciate the time and effort you put into this. Great video. Star Wars is awesome!
He's imo the coolest SW character and his Sith Pureblood form is his coolest design, though his Valkorian form had a great voice and character. Without a doubt, he was the single strongest person in all of SW lore.
Abeloth level
@@DM5550Z Personally, I think he's stronger than Abeloth. Abeloth fell to Luke and Darth Krayt, who are both some of if not the strongest force users of their day, but still fell to the two of them. Tenebrae needed to be slain several times, the last two of which the protagonist needed help with by several others. The Valkorion body was defeated by the Outlander with the help of the ghosts of Dramath and the four members of Valk's Zakuulian family. Tenebrae himself was only defeated once the Outlander and the spirits of the Zakuulian family, Revan, the Exile, Satele Shan, Darth Marr, Lord Scourge, and literally anywhere from 50 to 100 (or more) spirits used their collective strength to destroy him for the final time.
There's no good without evil and there's no evil without good you'll never be able to destroy either because they give balance to both and that's why the sith was weak because they actually thought they could destroy good forever
Awesome video dude! One of my favorite characters
Thank you :3
I love this video! Thanks for condensing a lot of the war lore in the middle section, as that’s confusing even when you’ve played the game. Also, I have to mention that sometimes you sound like Cartman lol.
Thanks for the compliment on the video! Also you're not the first to say that about Cartman... Oh no acceptance is hard xD
My headcanon is that the dark side ritual he used to consume all life on Nathema was the Gravestone. Too convenient that the brains of Zildrog were on the same planet where he grew up and secluded himself for years. He finally managed to activate Zildrog. He followed the source of the power and found the Gravestone. With it he managed to get to Iokath, where he took the Eternal Fleet and the throne technology to create Zakuul. Then he hid the Gravestone, the only weapon capable of destroying his new fleet, in the swamps. Known only to him, in case someone manages to turn the Fleet against him. He used the Gravestone on Ziost again, then hid it back in the swamp. After his son's coup, he influenced the Outlander to reach the Gravestone, to be able to fight the Fleet. It wasn't fate, like Koth believed. All the pieces were part of Valkorion's plan.
When people were assuming he used some dark ritual, he simply didn't correct them. The same way he never mentioned Iokath, the machine gods, or even the Gravestone being Zildrog.
Vitiate vs. Abeloth should be the final battle in the entire SW Saga.
does anyone else want villain ls like this to win? it would be an hell of a set up to a sequel series
Imagine if they would have made KOTOR III.
45:51 it is indeed true what Marr said here…
It was a quote about how the imprinted version of Tenebrae was missing the experience and wisdom of Valkorion and such.
My bad on the missing edit.
@@SWCentral damn still checking on the comments over a year later? Props dude
@@knuckleheadwestwind3585 Of course!
I know this has probably been asked before but what armor is your character wearing @ 4:55? I've seen you wearing it in other videos as well.
Hehe! I get asked this a lot yes :D - Force herald upper, Revanite pursuer helm, remnant knights greaves, the rest is horizon guard!
@@SWCentral Oh wow, I did not expect a response back! Thanks for the reply. Another SWTOR youtuber I shall not name, never responds to my questions.
@@Margate1989 ;)
Amazing video, I recommend making one about the Old Sith Empire before Ajjunta Pall led it.
I'm currently looking at an Ajunta Pall project :) I hadn't thought about visiting before his time though, maybe!
There isn't much lore other than King Adas
@@xoulmannn Very true. Some stuff we venture into could be fanmade :) but we'll see...
Maybe, or it could be a video about him fighting the Rakatan Empire or possibly go in-depth more into the Valley of the Golg.
He is the best sith in history. IMO
I need Vitiates body markings as cosmetics for my Pureblood
I‘ll get a huge portrait of Tenebrae tattooed end of august! 🖤
quite the womanizer I bet
Thank you for making this video!
Amazing been waiting for one of these for a minute
The Eternal Sith Emperor vs. Darth Sidious... I wonder who would come out on top in such a contest???
I already made that video :p
There is no contest, palpatine has no chance
@@SWCentral who won
@@OdinSmilesRavensLaugh72051 movie Sidious gets ROFLSTOMPED.
Legends Sidious has a chance
@@kingatlanofatlantis3075 know what id agree with that one 100% legends sidious using 2 sabers was mental.
Even a darksaber wielding maul never stood a chance
Its almost like Darth Vitiate was more like a sith of darth ruins line with his ideology "There is nothing only me"
THE Sith Lord who makes Palpatine look like a chump!
By the way, is it being unfair to say that SWTOR "fridged" Meetra Surik? Because that doesn't feel unfair to me
I think it's fair for us all to have an opinion :p
Tenebrae originally had a Midichlorian count of 10,000. After enhancing himself in the force, it is rose to over 30,000 and then after a thousand years, he managed to increase it further to 50,000 or more. Do know that Darth Nihilus had 100,000 and was defeated due to his weakened body.
The Irony is that he was beaten by Darth Mortivarr who originally had a Midichlorian count of just 10 and was not deemed a force sensitive until one member of the Dark Council noticed a particularity with Mortivarr and his ability to resist damage and the destruction of his own body. He may have less Midichlorian but each of his Midichlorians gave him a near total sum power in the force equivalent to Darth Sion (in terms of resisting damage) as Mortivarr could not die no matter how severe his injuries were. Darth Sion had a Midichlorion account of 18,000. Although, not as strong since Mortivarr could only sustain himself. It was apparent he had a 2,000 equivalency and each of his Midichlorians was pushing a 200 equivalency as compared to any other force user.
With his enhancements made by Darth Jadus, the one who saw potential, Mortivarr could walk around with a force power equivalent to 4,000. Enough to be noticed by the Sith as a potential apprentice for a Dark Lord. He did perform certain services for the Intelligence agency which included disguising himself as a booty hunter. Nevertheless, he was eventually assigned to infiltrate the Sith themselves. Even though slightly weaker than certain competitors, Motivarr was able to out best each of them proving himself competent enough to be the apprentice to both Lord Zash and Lord Baras. This delighted Zash but was a constant sore to Baras who would have to share the same apprentice. In time due to Mortivarr's cunning intellect and unorthodox skill for a Sith, he was able to impress both of his masters even while being busy doing errands for both of them. He also did jobs for the Imperial Ministry of Intelligence including continuing his charade as a bounty hunter and even found a means to maintain all four occupations with very little notice of any departure on his own part by using droids that could disguise and mimic him while using hyperdrive personal transportation devices to get from place to place and without notice even by non-Sith such as the Hutts and the Republic.
Mortivarr was able to combined the disciplines of Baras and Zash together into creating his own with his own style of combat linking two lightsabers together, not as a dual blade but as a nunchuck, referred to as a Chain-Bladed Lightsaber. After enhancing himself further by absorbing five force ghosts and using Rakata Technology twice. His total number of midichlorians had skyrocketed from 10 to 1000 to 100,000. The amount of power he could muster for each Midichlorian cell had also increased 6x. Thus giving him a total power of 1.2 Billion equivalency. Making him strong enough to bind Abeloth back in her imprisonment after she somehow snuck out after Darth Mortivarr vanquished the Machine Gods which had functioned in this same task during the days of the Rakata Infinite Empire.
This dawned upon me, but...I actually think the spiritual imprint inscribed as tattoos on Tenebrae's body were actually made sometime before he did the Ritual of Nathema, and here are my reasons.....
1: Tenebrae in Echoes of Oblivion says that the version that the Outlander knew became too complacent, too distracted by "mortal concerns" such as "empires." Note that he says "empire" in plural, which includes the Sith Empire he ruled, which he took control after he consumed Nathema, which Tenebrae in Echoes of Oblivion frowns upon.
2: The original form of Tenebrae that we see in Echoes of Oblivion has so much expression and emotion of anger, self-ego, and just having full of expression and emotion overall. As you said in the video, and as shown and explained in the Revan novel, the Ritual of Nathema that rendered Tenebrae immortal made him shed many emotions, he became calm, calculating, cold, mostly expressionless, and only expresses a bit of emotion and anger when "necessary" for him. The Sith Emperor even explains this to Scourge in the ritual that made Scourge immortal in the Revan novel that Scourge would automatically shed many emotions because of his immortality.
3: As the Revan novel showed, and as you said in the video above, Tenebrae got a very demonic, legion reverberating voice that sounded like the souls of all who he had consumed on Nathema were trapped or imprinted inside of him. If the Tenebrae imprint that we see in Echoes of Oblivion was made post Ritual of Nathema, then why doesn't the Emperor have the echoing, demonic souls voice? He has a single voice that sounds normal.
Overall, I came to the conclusion that the Tenebrae imprint we see in Echoes of Oblivion was actually more ancient than we thought, possibly made several years, maybe decades before the Ritual of Nathema. What do you think of this?
I feel like your first point holds a lot of weight. This is something we have guessed around for a long time but it seems some evidence was right there under our noses… well spotted my friend.
I see no reason to disagree with you. I have long suspected myself that this imprint was done long before Revans time at the very least.
Love it!
@@SWCentral Hahah, no problem.
The great Smith Emperor!
Legends is so much better than canon star wars
Agree :)
Amazing video mate. It was very refreshing to see someone take a step up and make such a great video in very new concept of mixing storytelling,flashback sequences and sentences,and is it SWTOR Angels in 12:56 who voiced the other echo? anyways keep up the good work
It is indeed SWTOR Angels! :D And thanks!
@@SWCentral oh nice
My goat favorite sw character
We need a movie or series for the Sith. They are more interesting than Jedi’s history to be honest
George Lucas came forth and said Legends has never meant a single thing to him; it’s just fan fiction. Because of this, we’ll never see shows about Legends Sith. The only Sith that actually exist are just the ones in the movies and canon cartoons / Live action shows.
We could maybe get a Darth Maul show, or one about Darth Vader after Anakin “died,” but we will never see canon shows about someone like Revan, Nihilus, Vitiate/Tenebrae, etc.
They simply do not exist, nor does the Old republic. It never happened; It’s just myth.
@@johnnyrocket1685 it was stupid thing
good use of strongholds and old KOTOR footage. 🙂
this video is everything!!!!🔥🔥🔥great job👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Very well done, enjoyed this story time but I have one question, what armour styles are you showing off at 2:20?
The first emperor is cannon to me
Mario Ragnos’ time doesn’t quite have the technology or rather the aesthetics of Dromund Kaas.
Are you referring to where we recorded his scene?
Sam, we need a Tenebrae Cosplay from you! xD
Hmmm maybe :p
Good stuff.
But if he did consume everything wouldn't there be nothing left to consume in the end so he would die?
"When the last living thing in the universe dies, I will enjoy *peace* and wait for the cycle to begin again."
@@SWCentral Valkorion's main motivation, according to himself at least, is to live forever so he can experience everything the Universe has to offer. He wants to consume the galaxy so he can enjoy everything else the universe has to offer. He wants to be an artist, a farmer, a leader, etc.
@@SWCentral Ya, but wouldn't the cycle never happen again since everything but him would be devoid of life?
@@The-Blue-Knight I see your point, but also keep in mind the entire universe is a big place. Perhaps there is more to be discovered and coveted, or perhaps the Emperor would simply leave one chosen civilisation alive as to rebirth society. Many ways to do it :) either way, he was hell bent on manipulation and in the end, it cost him everything.
@@SWCentral Ah gotcha k thx
This character is such an unsufferable Mary Sue and his presence in the story is bearable only because he's the villain you're trying to defeat for 2 games and an entire MMO for the main story and 4 expansions. Your characters hate him as much as you do.
How is he a marry sue he littraly had to hide til he was strong enough after doing many sith alchemy and consume life in the galaxy to reach the lvl of force deity took him a total of like 1500 years a marry sue is born with perfect power don't need training and pull shit out of their arse like Rey
@@VintasticGamingHe was literally born with the power to overthrow his father, a powerful Sith Lord, was immediately favored by the Sith emperor at the time (Marca Ragnoss) and by the time of the great hyperspace war was powerful enough to dominate a significant fraction of the Sith who survived the war, to consume them in a ritual that made him mostly immortal. For the next thousand years he was behind nearly every significant event that happened as he gradually subverted the entire plot and story to his will particularly by the time the games start. About half of everything that happens in the MMO is some plot or project of his. He built two massive secret empires with ancient alien technology he just happened to find lying around, technology from an ancient alien civilization that has little or no other impacts on the galaxy. He can influence people with the force from across the galaxy. The main thing that makes a character a Mary Sue is that their presence bends the story around them everything in the old republic setting is bent around Tenebrae. You find a fucking Dashade imprisoned on Yavin 4 who just so happens to have been imprisoned by him in the time of the New Sith Wars. Imagine if Rey had been that powerful from her first film, like if she didn't just wound Kilo but had the power to bring him to his knees with her mind alone.
24:43 The sacking of Coruscant was very much part of the plan, the intent was holding the entire planet hostage as leverage for the negotiations on Alderaan while also crippling the Jedi order right at the end of the war. There's absolutely no way Malgus did that on his own.
Of course the sacking of Coruscant was part of the plan :D Malgus did not agree with a peace treaty though. The fact he wasn't told along with the Emperor making wierd commands, this caused Malgus to rebel from the empire like 20 years later. It's the entire reason he tried to restart a new empire. There were more reasons of course, but the peace treaty on coruscant was almost certainly the calatyst. It's explained much better in the novel how Malgus feels about all this.
oh the role players did a thing.
I ain't a roleplayer just love making original characters and get as close as I can 🤣
The stories you get when Disney doesn’t jack with it 👍
Not all the Sith was so focused on personal gain they wanted personal gain they also realised working together to have an empire of power over the weak exist in as their regime as a empire and rule the galaxy and Lord over it while also seeking personal gain. It’s
not that they didn’t work together to try and achieve that ultimate goal
Plot twist, Sidous was vitiate this whole time 🤣 I mean it's not but...what if?
Valkorion is definitely more powerful than Palpatine
Actually he did have one apprentice during the Great Galactic War during the Sith’s return. She was one of the first children of the Emperor & tried to betray the Emperor after the Begren Colonies were taken by the Empire. The Emperor ordered Thanatonbwho was a young Sith apprentice at the time to destroy his apprentice, however in doing so Thanaton found out of the children of the emperor which at the time was a secret even to the Dark Council including Darth Marr, Ravage, Vowrawn & others. Thanaton bargained with the Dark council to reveal the children of the emperor in returning becoming a Darth.
To clarify, he chose no successor :)
Vitiate is from a time when sith were still Monsters and not reliant on the Rule of Two in order to grow in power.
How did you keep the other player characters out of frame? 😂
Alot of patience xD
Around 26:30 you mention the three ‘common’ manifestations of Vitiate: The Sith Emperor, The Eternal Emperor Valkorian, and then Tenebrae, who’s somewhere hidden on ice. My question is in regards to ‘who’s the Sith Emperor is…that is, what’s his name, or how would someone actually address him?
The Eternal Emporer is easy - it’s Valkorian. And even though no one probably even knows of his existence, Tenebrae is also easy - it’s Tenebrae.
But what’s the Sith Emperor’s name? Is it ‘still’ Vitiate? I didn’t think so, because the name ‘Vitiate’ is from so long ago; the Sith Emperor wouldn’t use this moniker since he wants to keep his immortality secret. So does anyone know him by anything other than ‘The Sith Emperor?’
It doesn’t help when I go to the fandom sites, search on ‘The Sith Emperor,’ and get “Tenebrae, Vitiate, and Valkorian” as responses.
Edit: Ok, after doing some VERY quick scanning, the Sith hierarchy during the Old Sith Empire, the Reconstituted Sith Empire, the Eternal Empire, the Sith Empire, the True Sith Empire, the Galactic Empire, the Fel Empire, the Dark Council….heck, even Revan’s Sith Empire, among others, the Sith hierarchy is COMPLICATED!! Finding out who or what Vitiate was referred to before (and after) he manifested as Valkorian is the least of my problems.
Wow, I had no idea what a historically scholastic mess the Sith timeline is. There must be an infinite number of stories within it just waiting to be written! Very cool, very exciting.
Haha! Yeah this character has ALOT to it.
The things is, The Emperor (Vitiate) created his dark council so that he himself does not need to oversee the Empire personally. He passed off the small trivial tasks while he pursued... Other interests.
If someone was to gaze upon the Emperor, your mind would slip into a void. His very presence could corrupt the most dedicated of Jedi to the dark. Master Tol Braga is one such example. A pathetic Jedi Master who thought he could redeem the Emperor, misguided childish notions.
To answer your question. You don't address the Emperor, and if you do, it's because he summoned you or called you personally. In which case, you would always know it's your Emperor calling.
If it makes things easier, we refer to the Original version of him (Red skinned) as Tenebrae. His *SITH* self is known exclusively as Darth Vitiate/The Sith Emperor and his self from Zakuul, is of course known as the Immortal Emperor Valkorion. Tenebrae since birth, Vitiate since 13 yrs old, Valkorion since roughly 1100 years old or sooner.
And he was only 36 when he became valcorion
source?
Good stuff.😁👍
Footage at 19:10 is from where? Man I've never got into further lore of star wars but it's better than anything the movies give.
The SWTOR cinematic named “Betrayed”
The old republic lore is pretty awesome :)
It's a cinematic made for two expansion packs to the mmo Star Wars: The Old Republic, the expansions are named Knights of the Fallen Empire and Knights of the Eternal Throne
@chrismathiason8277 Thanks. This got me playing TOR after being underwhelmed on its release. Always loved KOTOR 1&2 but never knew the mmo had grown so well. It was appalling when it was released from what I remember. But thanks either way. I'll look at the pack.
@SWCentral Thanks man. After a poor release years ago I was put off this game but your videos have got me right back into it and it's a whole new beast. I love lore rich Sci fi like this and Warhammer 40k.
@@AvACyberSecurity Glad to hear it, you're most welcome!
I understand that Lucas said Palpatine was the most powerful Sith but Vitiate ruled a planet that had powerful Sith on it by the time he was 10 years old. He killed his parents when he was 6 years old but not before he tortured his mother for months on end. He tricked the Sith on his planet into doing a ritual that gave him way more power and life then Palpatine ever had. He lived 1500 years. He also turned Revan and Malek instantly to the dark side. When did Palps ever accomplish shit to that scale. He ruled most of the galaxy for 20 years and was destroyed by his apprentice and his forces were defeated by teddy bears.
Vitiate knew Sith knowledge that Palpy never did. How is Palpatine better? How?!?!🤫
Imo, Tenebrae is the prime example of a successful Sith. Palpatine doesn't even come close to Tenebrae in terms of intellect, power and more.
Agree and agree. Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorian/The Sith Emperor has no peer, unless somehow we find out that Sidious was able to consume Vitiate’s Force presence. I hope that is unlikely, but from what I understand, disney has taken a lot of liberties with its ownership of the SW storyline. (I wouldn’t know; I’ve not watched anything they’ve produced after Rogue One. Not until they reverse direction on their bs DIE ideology.)
4:48 Dark Jedi money gang
We love casting spells
I always think of Tenebrae whenever I hear that Kathleen Kennedy interview where she complains about the lack of lore in the Star Wars universe…. Should have adapted his story for the new sequel trilogy
That war mentioned just before Tenebrae invited all to Nathema, is that the one when the Republic committed genocide against the Sith?
Yes, it’s known as the Great Hyperspace War :)
@@SWCentral I'm learning a great deal even though I've played Swtor for a couple months now
Malgus, Palpatine, vader ,revan...my mount Rushmore of the sith.....ha ha haa ha( evil villain laugh)