Dr. James White & Jeff Durbin Respond
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- Don't miss this important discussion between Dr. James White and Pastor Jeff Durbin as they respond to recent videos produced by a small group of men who identify as Independent Fundamentalist Separated Baptists. These are men who work closely with and identify with the doctrinal and methodological practices of a well-known false teacher and spiritual abuser, Steven Anderson. James and Jeff are concerned for the people who are under these men's teaching and committed to respond to some central aspects of their false teachings for the benefit of these men; but in particular for the people being deceived by their doctrine and practice.
Bonus: There is a debate on Romans 8 with one of these men in this video.
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You guys are incredible and have been a huge influence on my little small town ministry. I’m from very rural Alabama and KJV onlyism is huge here. Both of you, especially Dr. White have equipped me to combat this falsehood. I’m proud to be a reformed baptist in an area where I’m largely alone in that regard. Sola scriptura has changed my life. I’m now a 5 point Calvinist just like the Bible teaches.
What area? I’m from Alabama
Dr. Whites first 15 brought me to tears. What a clear exegesis of God's Word there demonstrating God's mercy on a wretched group of people.
I understand where you guys are coming from. I grew up around this kind of thinking and was turned off by religion. Jesus changed everything for me, and I can see these things so much more clearly. You guys keep doing what you are doing. Y’all aren’t the problem.
Ps. As soon as they see my music video I’m going to hell so.....
It’s the devil behind every rock, and also, the straining the nat syndrome. Just like the oneness Pentecostals where I live who say long hair will send you to hell.... and some Babtist who say drinking is the same as murder. You’re liberty will never make since to them. The freedom you found in your life and in seeking God confounds them. The live in a bubble of fear.
Tony Preciado You are such a blind FOOL!!
He never confessed to being a “sodomite”!
The ring on his thumb was a gift from his daughter you idiot!
She bought one for both of them to remember the great day they had together. But the only size they had that fit him was on his thumb!
And he was merely explaining the HISTORY of Guinness, you moron!
I’m getting really sick of you people! Stop bearing false witness against him, like your false teacher and cult leader Slanderson!!!
Tony Preciado um, this is a strange conversation to have, but dude. I have a full sleeve, a beard, and where rings on almost all my fingers and I’m happily married to my wife, and have been born again for 15 years. I plead for you to stop being so small minded. You are condemning a brother with hearsay. Unbiblical. God would use a Donkey to speak the gospel of men didn’t. You can’t limit the kingdom of God to your small little circle. Also, if he preached works based salvation. I’d be out from the first word. I have listed to hrs upon hours, and never hear that. I do hear as a believer desiring to live like one, but as you should know. We all fall short. Thank Jesus for his work on the Cross.
Paul Johnson And The About Last Nights Awesome point!!
Amen to that!
@@systemrevolt7309
Tony Preciado is likely a follower of Slandersin and those guys... They follow circles of people who refuse to actually repent, and coincidentally at least one of them is in trouble for getting prostitutes. Weird. And that's not hearsay based on an angry screaming preacher who clearly doesn't have the love of Christ in him, that's just fact.
In regards to “free will” the serpent that once said, “you shall not surely die” now says, “surely you’re not really dead.”
Wblsr76 I think one of the biggest reasons why people can’t see spiritual deadness. can’t unite and separate the spiritual and natural when necessary. In eden(a perfect world). Their spirit and body where both alive at the same time. I asked a doubter of the idea that the spirit is dead, could God have meant when He said you shall surely die, an immediate spirit death, and a sentence of the death at the end of their physical life?...silence on the other side.
Wblsr76 I love that..So true!
Yes! He gives us new life. God breaths life into his elect. To know your own inability to seek Him is essential. The obvious pride of these people who oppose the words of Jesus and Paul just screams of their own inability to understand. Attacking the children of God shows it. Thanks be to God for His gift of Grace. Works are a natural outpouring. His work. His gift. No one can boast. True, not of yourselves, a gift of God.
God Bless both of you brothers!!!! May Gods Grace and Peace be with you!!!!
I'm only 29 minutes into this program and you just played the clip of the man saying, "James White, go to Hell" & my heart sank because, if the man who said these words is a supposed saved Christian, how disturbing for calling damnation to you. Shouldn't he be saying, "I will be praying for you and your salvation"? Jesus ate with the tax collectors, He sat with sinners, He looked out for the lost.
I don't believe your unsaved by the way. I have been listening to Jeff Durbin for a couple years now, coming out from the Prosperity Herrassy & finally hearing The Word in context that my heart has been starving for.
I appreciate you both & the work your doing for His Kingdom!
IDK if you guys ever read this stuff but as far as the subject at hand my heart goes out to my heroes. Jeff Durbin the youtube sermon dubbed "the sermon that shocked everyone" was one of the first things I watched when I was compelled to pursue the gospel. James White before I came to know what a gem you were for anyone who yearns for an intimate relationship with The Holy Spirit I discovered you from logging onto apologia.com and receiving your message about the heresy of the mormon belief. You guys are my favorite celebs/athletes/superheroes. What a man's man way to respond to your critics with respect when, frankly, I would find it impossible to do so. You guys are the perfectors of my faith and I feel privileged to have been able to "turn to" and "look upon" the countless hours of profoundly useful content you humbly provide. God bless you two and amen amen and amen
I agree that there are some jerks in the IFB movement; however, I proudly call myself IFB and am not embarrassed to do so. I'm proud of my KJV Bible, and I'm not going to condemn others for using different translations. But I expect the same in return. There are Independent Baptists who are not Andersonites.
I've never seen anyone condemn the use of KJV. In fact, I've never heard anyone say "this is the only true bible" other than KJVO's. Everyone who reads ESV, NASB, etc all think the KJV is fine as well. In fact, I read my ESV with my KJV side by side, to try to 'learn' the language of the KJV a little better. But I've never seen anyone saying that you can't be saved using a KJV, or that the KJV is of Satan. It's exclusively the KJVO's that say that about everyone else.
Now, I know plenty of people who prefer the KJV and that's fine. The only time there is an issue when it's taken a step further and say things like Anderson says, that you can't be saved unless you hear the gospel from a KJV. That's getting close to idol worship, in my opinion.
What does ifb stand for if I can ask
@@booboobearsugarbear9109 Independent Fundamental Baptist
Thank you guys for talking about this I also came from and Fundamentalist baptist background and I'm glad that God got me out of that.
Demetrius Bradley what was the reason u left ?
Burnout but listening to guys like Douglas Wilson, John Piper, and RC Sproul landed me into my current Reformed Baptist position and I got out of my dark night of the soul season.
You just triggered one of my pet peeves. I'm 40 years a martial arts instructor, I'm skilled at kenjitsu and Iaido as well as the fact that my mother's family are Japanese from the former (at once glorious) Samurai class. LOL
The curvature on the katana is not to get under Armour that was not it's purpose, that is a western myth.
The curvature was due to physics, construction, the cooling process, as well as it provided a larger cutting surface / shorter distance. For example, you can measure the actual cutting surface of the blade to be 27 in Long, well when you measure from the top end of the blade to the tip it takes up a space of 24 to 25 in.
In short, these blades were not made to chop or poke but to slice as drawn across the object, usually another Samurai. The physical properties of the blade allowed this to happen.
They wanted to maximize body movement, arm movement, as well as posture, in order to create the most damage with what they had.
The Ninja-to however was designed the way it was number one it was easier to make, number two it was easier to conceal and carry.
Thus ends the lesson of the two swords LOL
God bless.
Are you aware of how qualified Jeff is on the subject? Lol idk he's correct or not but he's got quite the history in martial arts in case you didn't know
Also: Samurai Swords were weapons of personal combat, indefinite battle and all out war
Ninja-to's were for ASSASSINATION and personal defense.
Is the video skipping around 1:21:00 for anyone else?
Yes
It does toward the end too.
Yes, it skips for me too :-( At least MOST of the video was properly recorded. I really, really enjoy hearing James & Jeff exegete the scriptures!
Leviticus 19:28
“Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.”
Leviticus 19, is the chapter that God gives to Moses for the people of ISRAEL. They were the old mosaic laws that the jews had to follow to set them apart from other people.
Maybe this verse will bring everything into context *Leviticus 19 : 27, the verse just prior to the one you quoted* "Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard." How about Leviticus 19 : 19 "Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee."
Do you think these Mosaic laws still apply today? If so, do you uphold them?
Might as well mentioned Leviticus 19:27 do you do that? I'm really sure you do
You are not to cut off the hair at the sides of your head or mar the edge of your beard.
Leviticus 19:27 CSB
Stop judging according to outward appearances; rather judge according to righteous judgment.”
John 7:24 CSB
@@davidgarcia3504 bruh, drop that CSB, and get a real Bible. Lol
@@616Haggard are you calling the word God a false Bible??? Are you also going to deny this verse?
Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 14:6 CSB
@@davidgarcia3504 I have no idea what John 4:16 has to do with this. I was just messing with ya, buddy. You like the gender-inclusive Bible is all. That's okay. But I prefer mine to say Man & Mankind- how it was meant to be read in the Greek & Hebrew. Just my preference!
Some things in this video just went over my head completely , but I do like most of Apologia content ! God bless brothers :)
God bless you both dear brothers!
The guys you are referring to in the IFB movement in this video had a very interesting week after you made this call. I'm sure you heard... One of them got busted for using tithe money to pay for prostitutes, gambling, and drugs. And oh yeah... drinking was involved too. Next week the scandal made the whole cult implode. Its being seriously judged and falling apart right now.
Whatever happens I hope you guys keep preaching scripture. It has helped me a whole lot. I would have at one time considered myself a IFB. I Thank you guys and others like John MacArthur for planting these seeds in me. Most importantly I Thank God because without his grace and mercy we would all be lost and dead in our sin. Praise the Lamb of God ❤
You guys need a late show called “Durbin and White at Night”
Holy noght
James you know it would be a hit.
Tony Preciado ok we have our first Slandersonite in the audience tonight ! Welcome douchelord !
Seth Milligan Why won't your cult leader debate in person?
Why hasn’t this happened yet?!
As far as the leadership goes in the movement (and by the way, they identify *NOT* as Independent Fundamental Baptists, but rather the *NEW* IFB...trust me, they glory in that title and they draw a *CLEAR* distinction between t/selves and what they call the "old" IFB. A/ways...
Jason is a *2* on a *1 to 10* scale as far as being brash, bull headed, demeaning & all the rest that has come to be characteristic of those in the movement. Jason is mild mannered, soft spoken & a gentleman for the most part, and that *CANNOT* be said of many in the cult. I do wish James would have had Jason address the constant name calling, false accusations, railing, gossip, slander and the rest that their movement is known for.
Most know too that Jason had a Catholic background, and has had no formal biblical education, other than sitting at the feet of Steven Anderson and others in the movement. They all hold a disdain for higher education...preach against colleges (even any with a non biblical emphasis), and can be found mocking those who even *USE* the word "exegesis".
If any of the other leaders in the movement that are let's say a *6 to 10* (on that same scale where *BRASHNESS* and *FOUL MOUTHED* and flat out *UNGODLY* register) were to agree to a similar formatted "debate", it would turn ugly in a heartbeat. They might tone it down a bit, but they won't renounce a/thing they've said previously. They wear all of their bravado as _badges of honor_ but they've burned bridges with most folks already & it's near *IMPOSSIBLE* to have civil dialogue with them.
*Preciado* You're twisted guy...a Christian are you? *NOTHING* you said can be substantiated. Ya know what the bible calls that? I'll give you a few hints...a false witness that speaketh lies, railing, gossip, & slander, to name but a few. Get right, or get saved. No need to reply, as you have n/thing worth reading. If you feel you must needs stroke your ego by "letting me have it", help y/self...I won't be reading a/thing you may post.
When men of "faith" belittle each other it tends to smear all Christians with a dirty cloth. I can't after months of study ascribe God's will that some (trillions+) die in sin without ANY hope. I grew up in Church and from the youngest age knew about Jesus, sin and salvation. No one had to convince me of the Truth, I knew and believed before I could actively rebel of my own choice. A Calvinist would say I could never reach the conclusion to believe because I was "dead" spiritually.
If you knew and believed your rebellion would produce repentance and would be little more than a sanctification process.
They actually say without Holy Spirit , "I" (meaning you) would not be able to come to the truth to begin with. Praise be to God that happened at such an early age.
Parts of this video skip
Around 1h20m in.
Guys at least be open to the fact that when you come to any text you bring Calvinism into the interpretation of it! When you read the word elect or predestination immediately you define it in a way that you have presupposed instead of letting the text speak for itself. Take for example Ephesians 1:1-4 chosen us in him ...that we should be.
James dominated this debate, the fact that this guy can’t even see the parallel between those who love God and are called is concerning.
Does pastor Jeff respond to Steven Anderson's criticism from the information he allegedly got from his drill instructor?
I escaped the oneness Pentecostal cult..
What is it with the oneness Pentecostals? I’m a Pentecostal myself but we don’t believe or subscribe to that theology, and anyone who does we quickly refute with scriptures.
@@MrMarkovka11 liar
@@spencershaw2407 why am I a liar?
@@MrMarkovka11 that's part of Pentecostal theology is the Oneness of God
@@spencershaw2407 liar
Great job guys ! Love everything you say ...Stay away from the Preterist LIE ! , you don't understand how serious spreading that lie really is .GOD BLESS
Christmas?? No no gents
God bless you...
Is the Greek database that Dr. White is using available to public?
I think its "logos"
I also disagree with this "try Jesus' stuff. However, I don't think we should push people away who use that approach to apologetics, we should simply correct them. If they are genuine brothers and sisters they will listen. I say that because, in my experience, "trying Jesus" ended up with me genuinely finding Christ. I'm not saying that me trying Jesus worked. But it was Gods set up to save me. I'm not saying this because I think Jeff or James are doing anything more than trying to correct people, but im saying that because I know often when we find things to be wrong, its easy to condemn or mock people for doing it. Some people have been saved through trying Jesus, however that isn't the approach we should use. I haven't seen anyone be hostile in the comments yet, but just for future reference, be gentle when correcting people, you may cause truly saved people to doubt their salvation.
I’m really confused... I really don’t understand how one can even “try” Jesus? What does that even mean??
I agree....if a Christian who doesn’t know any better and tells someone to so-call “try” Jesus.. Than yes we can correct them and let them know, that is in no way shape or form, the message of the gospel we are to preach.
BUT... for a very well known evangelist, someone who literally represents the Christian faith in America.. To tell millions of people on national television, to “give Jesus a 30 day trial” is absolutely shocking and absurd!! And that needs to be rebuked!
I don’t believe that you, as you say “tried Jesus” in any way, I believe what God says in his word... which is the fact that God granted you the gift to believe in Christ and put your faith in him.
Because the bible says “no one seeks for God.”
“There is no God seeker.”
And.. “The mind that is set on the flesh is hostile towards God, it does not submit to Gods law; Indeed it CANNOT.”
These are people who don’t believe, they live in the flesh, their hearts are hardened and they are not willing to even “try” to believe. Because they are rebels against God, who love their sin and are dead to sin.
And the only one who can raise them to life, soften their hearts and open their eyes is God and God alone!
Which he obviously did with you and praise God for that!
Around 28:00, they basically are describing modern Pharisees with all the regulations/rules they place on their people in order to be perceived as righteous.
The nature of truth is that it is incompatible with ALL else.
So I say keep arguing and listen to each other with an open mind, however let us not get into name calling and personal attacks.
Is it possible to put the IFB into the category of cult?
I want Jeff Durbin and James White to do a parady of breaking bad where James (Walter) White teaches Jeffie (Jessie) how to write theological books. I always got Aaron Paul vibes off Jeff Durbin who is like a Reformed, evangelical version of Jesse Pinkman from Breaking Bad and then I thought cause James White is bald that would work perfectly in so many ways
Ephesians 2:9
Where’s the rest of it?
Hearing Calvinists call someone else arrogant is the definition of irony! I almost fell out of my seat!
Calvin merely saw what was already in Scripture and systematized it using logic, which God calls us to use. When the Scriptures are understood properly, it destroys man's pride and arrogance because we realize that our salvation is entirely of God's doing and we are utterly undeserving of even the opportunity. Man's supposed "free will" is the ultimate idol, which Satan proposed to Eve in the Garden, and is the peak of arrogance.
Hey guys. I am new to Christianity. Does anyone have suggestions on a good online bible study course? I want to learn about the old and new testament online. It would be greatly appreciated!
@@headsofhiphop Thanks for the suggestion. I'll check it out :)
@@fushion999 ESV is a bad translation. Read the KJV and if you do not believe me, compare Bible verses from different translations against the KJV. All Bibles except KJV even have contradiction starting in Genesis 1. I will give you my email if you want.
@@fushion999This is one example from another Bible version.
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. KJV
1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify NIV
NIV does not mention the Father, Word, or Holy Ghost and that the three are one.
@@Duke_Scanlan Ahh thanks. I realized I'm reading the ESV version. I had no idea! Someone just gave me a copy. It doesnt have anything about that in my copy...
@@fushion999 Anything about the mistranslations? If so, yeah, they aren't going to say so. ESV has a contradiction in Gen 1.
What I don't get is that when getting caught up in witchcraft I cried out to Jesus to help me, a few months later God spoke to me and I went to Church and gave my life to Jesus. I fail to see how that was not because i called out first then me responding to Jesus when he called me to go to Church and I got saved. Any advice would be most welcome. Thx.
What caused you to call out? Did you give yourself the faith in Jesus? To think so is prideful, as it is written, "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith."
Romans 12:3
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I'm not sure what your question is, but God is the One who gave you that desire for Him..that crying out originated from God Himself. He put that in you. There's nothing good in any of us that even wants God. It's all Him. I'm so glad you heard the call and responded. Woohoo!
The discussion of the order of salvation is important to our understanding of the nature of God Himself. In time, we experience belief as a matter of personal choice because of our creatureliness. "I make a decision for Christ". The discussion changes when we recognize that the bible teaches Strong Sovereignty - see Ephesians 1:1-5. and John 6:36-44.
John 3 and Jesus discussion with Nichademus tells us that Jesus taught one must be born again. He speaks as if it is something done to you not something you do. This term we call regeneration. God by His grace Grant's repentance and faith by taking out our heart of stone giving us a heart of flesh changes our affections and we are now born again.
ugg, fire the guy in the plaid shirt lol. I learn so much from Dr. White, it's to bad the video jumped so much
If faith is a gift from god and I struggle with faith how do I strengthen my faith? Pray for God to give me faith? Fix my sin?
I enjoy the dividing line it’s great merry Christmas
Henry Jordan l
Hey this idea that only the early church was doing things right is a major fallacy. But beyond that it goes against what Paul warns us about.
This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me (Paul); of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes. The Lord give mercy unto the house of Onesiphorus; for he oft refreshed me, and was not ashamed of my chain: But, when he was in Rome, he sought me out very diligently, and found me. The Lord grant unto him that he may find mercy of the Lord in that day: and in how many things he ministered unto me at Ephesus, thou knowest very well.
So towards the end of Paul's apostleship, we see that many of the saved people hence ALL Asia, once saved always saved by the way, turned from Paul's gospel. So this is in Paul's day. So trying to say anything or anyone like the "church fathers" that are closest to the time period is going to be the most accurate fly's in the face of Paul's epistles.
That verse also disproves Calvinism because how can the elect turn from Paul the apostle?
They even had spiritual gifts in those days. And you would try to peddle that a Christian can believe in vain? But if one thinks he's saved, but falls of into sin, then he was never saved. Correct? He wasn't truly elected. His faith was vain right?
So who then is Paul talking about that ALL Asia turned away from him? He even gives you by name an example, and even tells you that the man at one time ministered unto him (Paul) at Ephesus. This guy is a SAVED Man. A member of our body. But he turned from Paul's gospel.
The Lord grant unto him that he may find mercy of the Lord in that day
That day is the judgment seat of Christ. I hope you realize that. Paul is talking about his reward. And makes mention of how he once was, and prays that the Lord will not burn everything up because of how he once was. But he, that man himself, shall be saved. As well as all other apostate Christians in like manner.
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Know ye not these things? Is the man destroyed? No, the verse just told you he himself is saved because the Holy Spirit is in him. But what isn't saved in the passage. HIS WORKS. He forsook Paul. Much of Christendom since Paul has done this. Let's not continue in that way.
I dont recall either men claiming that the former outweighs the latter. In fact, both men reject certain teachings of the early reformers. So, not sure where you are going with this.
Turning away from Paul isn't turning away from the Gospel. I know some folks have a hard time telling the difference between a pastor and God but there is.
@@Given119 I think the point was this: Since Paul preached the Gospel, the turning away from him was the turning away from the Gospel he preached, obviously in not as many words.
Tell us the names of the IFB preachers that support you so the New IFB preachers can call them out and warn others.
Calvinists refuse to abide by Church history. The “doctrine of grace” only began to germinate with Augustine. Our Patristic Church Fathers specifically taught AGAINST determinism. Calvin admitted that this is a “new” doctrine not found in the writings of the early Church Fathers. That’s interesting, because according to Calvinists, the doctrine of grace is the gospel. Anything less is considered a “works” gospel. How were all those people saved by a “works” gospel? Any time you have group of people that say they have a new revealed version of the gospel contrary to tradition - we usually consider them a cult.
As soon as one brings up the authority of the Patristic Church Fathers, Calvanists normally begin to loose respect for them and attack them. For them Church history begins with Augustine.
Enough with Pelagian. His works were destroyed by the Church of Rome. We do not know what he truly taught. We only know what his enemies said about him; and remember, the same people that condemned him, condemned you as a Calvanist.
That being said, I only refer to the doctrines that they are discussing. I appreciate other aspects of their ministries.
you are not accurate. Calvinism was taught in the Old Testament.
To say that Jesus paid the penalty for our sins is to ignore the fact that we already received the penalty for our sin in Adam. Wouldn't it be better to say that Jesus came under the penalty of our sin in order to remove it from us?
@Boerboel 1652 Reformed the penalty? What does that mean? Please provide Scripture
A Christian can definitely have a television. We just don't use it as much or as freely as non Christians.
jeff durbin opened my eyeys! i can now get tattoos, drink beer and have gauges. my christian liberty is awesome. i speak out against abortion and listen to james white! man thank you soo much jeff
wow the (electronic) LAG and LATENCY of the video recording is TOTALLY AWFUL after 1:21 on this video!! :(
This young man seems very intelligent, but has been blinded by people. Might i add that God decreed his blinding for our benefit. And i want to add that i pray his eyes are opened
I love the comradery between you guys 😊
Reformed theology saved me from the KJV-only mindset.
Hey! IFB kjv only here, and we LOVE Durbin!!!! We are not all the same
I’m genuinely bothered by this, can anyone please give me some clarity. I’m close and maybe I’m there but not quite. I know that theirs people who debate James and still do not hear what he’s saying or scripture for that fact. But where I’m concerned is I immediately understood what James white was saying and I one hundred percent can see this is what god is really saying but would I have came to this conclusion on my own or did god mean for me to see James white and then gain an understanding. So I guess I’m asking did god give me this knowledge or did James white. I don’t go to church because of bad experiences but I do listen to hundreds of preachers. I’ve read the Old Testament probably six times and have not once gotten to the New Testament and I can see Jesus all through out it, so this might be an hindrance to my understanding on grace. Does this make me a saved reborn Christian since I can hear James white or could I not know because I didn’t come to this conclusion on my own? I guess that’s my big question.
starts skipping at 2:35:34
"Not everyone who's saved love God." Umm...what???
Your process isn't as far as its going basically. You are saved but not regenerate or sanctified. Yet.
There are a ton of examples but one I can give is King David. David was saved as King. But when he took a man's wife was he loving God? No. He was not yet regenerate. Then he cried out, wrote one of the greatest psalms and God broke him and took him to another place in the process.
Does he ever get to the point, all this waffle. 10 minutes in and nothing
Why does this gentleman who has a discussion with White repeatedly say "predestinated" instead of "predestined"? Is there a reason?
zchilli0808 lol I was thinking the same thing
it's a kjv thing lol, gotta make all the words sound fancy :) ඞ
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16
Only Jesus Christ is the way to Heaven and be saved from hell.
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
Romans 5:8
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6
Have you believed in your heart that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins, was buried, and rose from the grave? You must believe that Jesus is the one who paid for your sins and rose again to be saved from eternal damnation and instead go to heaven
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:9
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." 1 John 5:7
Amen.
Oh how I wish I lived close enough to attend your services. I love you Brothers...Sola Scriptura.
Awe, it skips at 1:21:00 i believe, i missed what you said there! This is good study tho!
Also around 2:30:00
@@michaelsnyder9047 hmm, ill have to see if they come out with a video maybe to go over what skipped, if not no big deal i sapose, its a good video
These are fools.. they don't know how to use scripture to validate their point. They have to use derogatory terms because of their foolishness. Pastor Anderson if you could call him a pastor is a very very sick individual. I don't know why you're even validating him by a response. No one on the planet takes him seriously that is a true lover of Christ, the Lord of Glory. Just because I am not a Calvinist does not mean that I don't listen to your sermons or learn from your teachings. Because we disagree with the exact order in which we are saved / soteriology, or your eschatology doesn't mean that I can't learn from you or respect you as a brother in Christ.
Gents, I think you are somewhat simplistic in characterizing all non-Calvinist and lordship salvation. For instance, AW Tozer respected Calvinism, but held strong to man's responsibility and ability to respond to the gospel message, with the Holy Spirit's call/help, all their lives.
I'll just leave these verses here:
Romans 8:7-8
The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.
1 Corinthians 2:14
14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God(A) but considers them foolishness,(B) and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
John 6:37,41-44,64-65
[37]All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.
[41]At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”
[42]They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”
[43]“Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered.
[44]“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.
[64]Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him.
[65]He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”
Great. Now I feel ostracized by BOTH Independent Baptists AND you guys. Whom I love, and have learned so much from. But I pastor an Independent Baptist Church. It's not fair to be divided because of your experience with some bad independent fundamental baptists. I've had my fair share of bad experiences as well, so I know what you are talking about, but it breaks my heart to be possibly shunned or dismissed because I'm independent baptist.
Not that anything Anderson says is true, but even if it were - “Luke 7:39-47
39 Now when the Pharisee who had invited Him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet He would know who and what sort of person this woman is who is touching Him, that she is a [a]sinner.”
Parable of Two Debtors
40 And Jesus answered him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.” And he [b]replied, “Say it, Teacher.” 41 “A moneylender had two debtors: one owed five hundred [c]denarii, and the other fifty. 42 When they were unable to repay, he graciously forgave them both. So which of them will love him more?” 43 Simon answered and said, “I suppose the one whom he forgave more.” And He said to him, “You have judged correctly.” 44 Turning toward the woman, He said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave Me no water for My feet, but she has wet My feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45 You gave Me no kiss; but she, since the time I came in, has not ceased to kiss My feet. 46 You did not anoint My head with oil, but she anointed My feet with perfume. 47 For this reason I say to you, her sins, which are many, have been forgiven, for she loved much; but he who is forgiven little, loves little.”
Good study but what my calvinist brothers forget which they referred to the book of Acts is they mentioned believe they mentioned repent but they said nothing about baptized, Acts 2:38 and 39.
All the way through the book of Acts people heard the word either believed or rejected, if they believe repented of their sins and were baptized into Christ without exception.
Regeneration and sealing/adoption are two different works of the Spirit and one precedes the other
@@PurePuritan regeneration/adoption is the work of salvation, what is your point and what is does this have to do with my comment?
@@DS-md7jn yes they're all part of the order of salvation. Repentance and true spiritual baptism are works of God in us
Don't label me a theist, pelagian, arminian or any other of those things.. I believe in Sola scriptura. I believe in Grace alone by Faith alone. I believe in the omniscience of God the Father. I do believe in free will not this middle knowledge weirdo theory, nor compatibilism.
6:20, Yes! The Last Samurai one of my favorite movies of all time!
Nice dude, there's profanity, violence, and sexual themes in it. Jesus wouldn't condone that garbage.
Respond to what, exactly!
John Calvin burned Michael Servetus at the stake for not being a trinitarian your precious precious John Calvin..🙄
Amazing Grace ehhhhhhh missed it by a mile haha! RC Sproul fully explains the whole story there. Good stuff to listen to, Calvinist or not.
James White explain it too. Watch the video.
Actually it was the counsel that put him to death... not Calvin. Calvin tried to reason with him.
What kind of Bibles are those Jeff..I heard they were Allen goatskin but what translation
One is a esv the other is a nestle aland 28 Greek New Testament
Dr. White looks so happy to get that gift lol
Oh yes let's not forget God creates human beings destined for hell.. before the creation of the universe my favorite part of Calvinism..
Yes GOD DID. Romans 9, vessels of dishonor/wrath.
no sarcasm please.
There is a confusing part around 48:00, when they wonder about the IFB's view of repentence. When they always criticize the other side for not studying their reformed position properly, they should atleast listen to some lectures About the easy believism understanding of repentence. It is not repentence from sin, change of lifestyle or any other work. And it has nothing to do with the dispensations, since the new IFB is anti dispensationalist.
Philippians 1:14-18 And many of the BRETHREN in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear. v15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: v16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: v17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defense of the gospel. v18 What then? notwithstanding, every way whether in pretense, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
Jeff, how did you perfectly replicate Dr. White's office in the Apologia studio? It's uncanny. Like you hired J.J. Abrams who did the Star Trek re-makes, but this time you just got him to re-do White's office.
Them sweaters are dope IDK 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Abraham believe God. every person that came to Christ for healing Jesus ask do you believe I'm able to heal you . according to your faith it will be done to you . who's faith there simple ability to believe Jesus was able to heal them..is this not the same patterns principle that God had always used from old to new testament examples of man's ability to humble himself admit of his enability to save himself or be healed...there is man's free will to believe the inspired word because God's word living some like herod loved the preaching of the word but would not yield control of his sinful passions his idols. of his own free will...ive placed before you life and death this is the patterns principle that God has always used....mans inability to make a choice because he's unable because he's dead in sin is not what Ephesians two says ephe.4.18 and the book of acts does not support this man's inability to come to faith ....they believed under the inspired message being preached and came to faith why because his word is life giving .old testament examples justification by faith still under the same truth that Romans talks about but justified by faith like David. but the unbelieving are under the same truth that Romans speaks of but condemnation...as acts 28 says lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears lest they should understand with their heart and turn so that I should heal them ..who's he talking about the unbeliever .who's response and responsibility is it directed to their eyes their ears their hearts . sounds familiar the same patterns principle that Christ used when people came for healing....its only when you admit that your an alcoholic that you be healed .Jesus used that Same principle with sickness which was sin and the person need to be healed did he not....your problem is that you have so many people looking up to you your not willing to examine the the scriptures to see if these truths are so. I believe it's pride in your heart and you've literally turned your ministry's into an idol....
subjective faith is our ability to respond to Christ for healing our ability to believe is our natural subjective faith like Abraham but objective faith is the gift of faith and grace that is from the inspiration of the preaching of the word. if he responds to the preaching he Christ gives us eyes to see ears to hear our hearts respond he will heal us...p.s .if we're self righteous. exchange the truth of God for a lie. suppress the truth in unrighteousness we are just like the Jews that Paul talks about in Romans 9 . all false beliefs always stand on just the passage of scripture that affirm there position without allowing the full council of God to be applied to each scripture from old to new testament examples that give the proper applications. by the way has that not the reason for Mormon Jehovah's ect...
just had to say this can you believe it all those people who got healing from Jesus according to their beliefs dead men got healing from Christ. unable to respond. dead in sin. retrobates darkened in there understanding that's the logical conclusion you are able to come to.
James White “drinks part of a Smirnoff Ice each night as a sleep aid.” (ChristianNews).
What? Wow!
OpenAirOutreach haha really? I heard it was a Zima
Didn't expect to see Jesse in the comment section. Awesome. God bless brother.
OpenAirOutreach Remember he who without sin cast the first stone. Let’s be concerned for our own walk, let God handle theirs!
It's Time 4 God by Brenda Garner Nobody is talking about capital punishment
@@OpenAirOutreach
How do you know this anyway? Do you have a secret camera in his bedroom? Or worst yet, are you in his bedroom?
I watched this video and now my recommended feed is full of "new IFB" Channels. Looks like its time to take a break ftom TH-cam.
It sounds like These "baptists" have a lot of hate in their hearts we should pray for them
The original baptist lost his head for hating sin too much.
Faye Lewis really your comparing these tools to John the Baptist? The independent "baptists" like Steven Anderson are hateful not in a righteous way but in a sinful way
..yeah I listened. Your authority and knowledge and use of scripture doesn't come close to Pastor Steven Anderson's. Yeah, you'll challenge Pastor Robinson. I'm not even a pastor and I could run circles around that guy. Hey white, you should give KWVE a call, get some air time. They love guys like you.
They lied about how they explain the trinity.
square hand guards were never used by the ninja. thats hollywood dude
It's not too hard to see why people attack you. I enjoy you guys and learn a lot from you but I can not stand how you think about Revelation. Not debating anyone here but it was annoying to stumble across that part of your beliefs.
Doesn't the Calvinist view of God glorifying Himself through Christs work on the Cross of Calvary imply a process, or time, upon Him, thus fixing Him in a timeline and thus Him not being perfect from and for all eternity? I'm very curious what your stance is on this matter. God bless!
Jesus Himself prayed: "These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was..."
John 17:1-5
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This proves that Jesus 1) Was a part of the God head, 2) Was glorified by God and 3) was Himself glorified. PS, I'm not a Calvinist per se, but a firm believer in the Holy Bible. The God head is eternal, but The Word became flesh and dwelt among men. (See John 1).
@@michaelsnyder9047 that doesn't answer my question at all. I wasn't asking about the Trinity which I'm a firm believer of. What you're talking about actually proves the two natures of Christ and how he is fully divine and fully human at the same time. The Calvinist position is that GOD THE FATHER was involved in a process of glorifying Himself through the work of Christ. The problem is that this completely negates his eternal perfection and His NOT BEING BOUND BY TIME. He is perfect already, ALWAYS was and ALWAYS will be. ANY kind of process, such as GLORIFICATION completely destroys His PERFECT AND ETERNAL nature from a theological standpoint. God bless
God created time, so he works outside of it. But God also entered into time and works from the inside as well.
By way of analogy, when mathematicians visualize a 4d object, they project it onto a 3d image and then do various rotations and translations to show how the shape interacts with the projection. We can't picture the shape as a whole, just the slice of it we see. A 2d creature would have the same problem with understanding a 3d object, yet we can perceive it as it is.
Where we see small slices of time in a sequence, I think God sees and interacts with time as a whole entity, like how we see the 3d object. God does not experience time like we do, and God working in time does not implication otherwise.
Ok so it's "predestined" not "predestinated" (which is not a word) .... sorry that's just eating me alive.
Interesting that James White ignores various themes of the Bible as well as divorces sanctification from justification and foreknowledge from predestination. I in no way condone these other guys views they are critiquing. To say Spurgeon is in hell is ridiculous. He was a 4 point Calvinist good guy!
@Boerboel 1652 the 5 points are man made mumbo-jumbo. What I laid out is indeed scriptural. You Calvinists get so caught up with the trees that you forget the forest...
So sad and let down that you Jeff Durbin are not a KJV Bible Believing Dispensationalist and that you are teamed up with James White who is a proponent of Modern Age Bible Per-Versions. And I also believe from one of your videos that you are a Calvinist which is wrong doctrine. So sad and let down as I love your preaching at abortion clinics and you are very intelligent and knowledgeable apologist. Praying that you are not puffed up and that you hear this matter in full before judging. Suggested reading Gail Riplinger New Age Bible Versions and One Book Rightly Divided by Douglas Stauffer. May the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
Rob D I thank God that I’m not a dispensationalist. Their motto is, if something doesn’t fit my theology then it doesn’t apply to me!
@@Matt-ox2qc Domt know what your faith is Matt, but before you pass judgment pls give it thorough research. There are a lot of misconceptions out there. God Bless
@@robd9712 I used to be a dispensationalist. I know what it is.
Both of them are false teachers
I have and still occasionally watch Brother Anderson. While his delivery is brash, many of his insults are misaimed, and his suits don’t fit, much of what he says hits true. There are non believers out there who need to see his sermons and can possibly be reached only by his style. Of course, any Christian following him will need to quickly progress with their walk and move on away from him
Truth in th Word no. Just no.
The bible says to speak the truth in love...... *EPH **4:15*
*I Corinthians 13* would then label Anderson & most in that movement, as _"sounding brass...tinkling cymbals, and _*_NOTHING_*_ "_
That being said, it would be bad counsel to suggest a/one listen to him.
Maybe I’m strictly speaking for my walk. He shed light on some things and spurred me to research others. Even if at times it was just to validate my belief I his wrongness, I learned a lot. He is passionate and strongly believes in “his” interpretation of Scripture.
Let’s just pray that God will show him a kindness that Sanderson doesn’t show others and lead him to the Truth,
@@KamalaKackles In my opinion, the guy has got *WORSE* . You would think that over time people tend to _mellow_ a bit and smooth off some of the rough edges, but not so with Anderson. I guess in a sense, that as we get older, we get even *MORE* set in our ways and change is harder to accept, and old habits die slowly.
And with Anderson, it's not just his demeanor/style/temperment/etc that is bad, but he's off on too many doctrines and continues to *NOT* just double down on matters, but he brings them up *CONSTANTLY* and hammers them into his people's heads. Sorry, but it's a *CULT* all the way and I make no apology for saying that.
Quick question why kjv 1611 in Ruth 3:15 it saids he went to the city. And in New kjv it saids she went to the city was wondering why
The New KJV is garbage
@@anonymousduck8456 I haven't seen none
This is why people switch to discord
Please everyone just go read Romans 4:5-8 and put this to bed. (But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.) this destroys their entire argument especially around 48:00 min mark
Please explain how this refutes them. I don't understand. Thanks.
Javan Wade They weren’t even talking about works!
And that verse you quoted is referring to the coming of the messiah, the new covenant... where we are not justified by the works of the law, but by faith!
But that faith is granted to us by God and leads to repentance!
Regeneration and sanctification is the work of the spirit!
Stop assuming that they are preaching works! Even Jeff said ‘I don’t understand how they can call that “works” based salvation.’
@@stueve Him that worketh NOT, but believeth... You good now?
@@egccrypto2349 No. That doesn't refute them. I believe that. They believe that. Listen to them.
I didn’t watch the whole thing yet, but I’d like to say something, when I was first born again I naturally started looking for Gods word online through TH-cam and I found Steven Anderson, and it’s interesting as I was watching my mom came in and we started listening together(my mom is born again) and Steven Anderson was talking about “punks” who say “it’s all about a personal relationship with Jesus” then he said something like “no it’s not like that” and my mom catcher on in very quick bc I was like 2 days old in being born again and my mom said watch who you listen too, I mean I was only watching to get the basics of Christianity b/c I finally understood Jesus after I was saved. But yeah .. naturally I didn’t really see his preaching fitting and I usually watch like ....ChristForgivnessMinistries Pastor David Lyn, of course I have a public church but I like seeing different churches around the world.
Roman Motriuk I consider these guys to be decent human beings - Anderson is a nazi racist homophobe
Josh Austin I’m pretty sure they are all Steven Anderson disciples.
@@PaDutchRunner -- Slander and libel are what some do. An ounce of research will inform well enough the high contrast between Durnin and White, versus Sanderson. Different camps altogether. We should expect more debates like this one. Bring God's word. Exegete.
Why do you think Salvation is "about a personal relationship with Jesus"??? ( Taking your comment to mean that that is what Anderson was preaching against in the clip you heard).
Is that anywhere in the Bible??
I never mentioned that it’s how you get saved, but having a personal relationship with God is a result of being saved, I’m born again and his spirit is in me, I know what God wants b/c his law is in my mind and heart. This is what God intended it to be, Worship and relationship in the spirit
Where is anderson :(
why implant a hebrew word into the greek re foreknow?
Are those magic sweaters?
Some of the points introduced in this video are valid for sure. But any suggestion that the King James 1611 has inconsistencies without acknowledging that the modern versions have far less consistency is misleading and disingenuous. These two mature elders of the faith should know better than to do that, even at the risk of creating the appearance of evil.
The fact is that modern/contemporary copyright laws require each version to be different to avoid copyright infringement and to profit from publishing rights. Thus, a secular government (with strong Jesuit and Zionist influence) has invented and implemented a system by which Christ-professing men are forced at the risk of lost resources to succumb to the strong influences of mammon and filthy lucre. That point can never be ignored or diminished in the context of Proverbs 30:5-6, Deuteronomy 4:2, Revelation 22:17-18, and other clear passages that warn against adding to or taking away from God's word. That, my friends, should then be the standard for a Bible translation. But thanks to the Jesuit/Zionist deceivers that has become just about impossible.
WB D'Angelos Lol there's always one.
@@headsofhiphop Attitude? Do you know what it means?
What source text was used for the official translation of the Vatican/Roman Catholic's Bible?
@@headsofhiphop Yeah, well I used it as strange. You don't know what it means, bye.
Nothing good ever came from Egypt or Rome. If a Bible translation is based on a Latin text, we can be rightly suspicious.
Dr White, any weight loss advice? You’re looking svelte brother!
carnivore diet, highly insist u look into it