One interesting aspect is when Nightcrawler was teleporting, his flesh colored make-up coming off with each "teleport" in the White House. Eventually showing his blue skin.
28:34 When Pyro basically says to Magneto, "I can't create the flame only manipulate it" he's oblivious to the fact the very mutant he's speaking to and highly respects, Magneto, is in fact essentially the same as him. Magneto doesn't create metal, he "merely" manipulates it. In replying, "you're a god among insects," he's subtly hinting at how much alike the two of them are.
I love the idea of the actors actually stepping up together like to call Singer out on his BS (granted, we didn’t know just how dark his BS was at the time…). It’s like they were the actual X-Men.
@@neonclouds9295 Bryan Singer is a film director, he directed 6 X-men movies including this one. He has been accused multiple times of sexually assaulting and raping children, and is infamous for his awful behavior on set including drug use and tantrums.
My mom took me to see it after the dentist on opening day when I was 12, that nightcrawler scene blew me away and still remains one of the best sequences I've ever seen on the big screen
Nightcrawler was not only my favorite character in this movie, but in all xmen films tied with Wolverine. I loved everything they did with him, the scars, the back story, his personality, the accent. It was all so perfect n that opening was the best the series ever had.
going to the movies and experiencing the nightcrawler scene for the first time not knowing he was going to attack the president was one of my greatest movie going experiences... i was an adult that grew up on the comic books and animated series, but right there, i was in tears... never thought i would ever get to see something on the big screen that only lived in my imagination...
I completely agree. This was an amazing experience in the theater. Last stand when professor x was torn apart by Jean also blew my mind.. I may have also been enhancing my mind at the time of watching that part... These are all great movies.
I'm not gonna lie, I loved Alan Cummings as Nightcrawler, but I can't unsee the actor as Floop from the Spy Kids films. I just can't, he will always be Floop to me.
It must've been great for Alan Cummings to star alongside his Goldeneye co-star Famke Janssen. The Janus operative characters Boris and Xenia were an absolute delight. Their deaths, (Dowsed In Liquid Nitrogen and Shattered Spine respectfully.) were up there for me in the list of Bond movies "Henchmen" deaths.
17 minutes in, and the folders on Stryker's computer: Graymalkin does NOT refer to Jonas Graymalkin, given that the movie came out in 2003 and Jonas wasn't introduced in the comics until 2008. It probably refers to Cable's orbiting space station, which is also called Graymalkin - both the space station and the character were named after the street address of Xavier's School, which is in Graymalkin Lane, Westchester County.
Ice man's museum scene in freezing the bully is an homage to his origin comic in 1963 "the iceman cometh" where bobby freezes a bully thus outing him and causing him to enroll at prof.x school
I’ve seen this movie multiple times. I’m 25. Deadpool 3 comes out on my birthday. X2 is one of my favorite X-men movies. And I’ve never, ever, in my life noticed the green star and humanoid figure in the beginning credits. I’m speechless 😂
And in 2024 the same song from Nsync (Bye, bye, bye) plays in the opening fight from Deadpool & Wolverine. 😉 Here in X2 it played in the car from Cyclops.
You said Jason Striker was mutant 143. Do you think that is a morbid reference to the meaning of 143 being “I love you” and since Striker is in charge of his son, he’s trying to say “I love you” to his son even though he’s the villain?
That Deadpool open title song is same as that of X2 movie, in the scene after the fight in school, logan , pyro travel via a blue car, where pyro played this exact song, only for logan to switch off the system, 😮🔥🔥
The metal in the guard that Magneto uses to break out isn't molten, it's just small. We naturally have iron in our blood, he just had too much, allowing Magneto to use it. Although I suppose Magneto's powers could easily enough allow him to super-heat metal if needed.
The Once and Future King is also foreshadowing Jean's death and return, as Arthur takes a fatal wound but is taken to Avalon with the promise to return when he is needed again.
One of the best X-Men Films and Comic Book Film Sequels. Takes everything that made The First One good and builds upon it. The Opening Scene is one of the best comic book scenes. Hope Cummings's Nigtcrawler comes back for Deadpool 3.
I have always thought that Jean's 'DEATH' could easily have been avoided IF only one of the X-Men on the plan had possessed a power that could transform water into something that could have sealed the breach in the damn. You know, like maybe transforming it into something like an 'ice wall'.
@@randomspiel I don't know because A) he built (fashioned) a solid ice wall across the corridor in the school to say Logan. So, even as a teen he was pretty powerful. Also, as I envision your idea Bobby would be positioned as Jean was--out in the open--but with Kurt there the two of them could have teleported to the top of the dam and Bobby could then have laid hands on the wall--thereby increasing his power--and then just used ice to plug the hole giving Jean the chance to lift the jet out of danger. You know, working as a team which is the idea behind the X-Men (teamwork) as opposed to George R.R. Martin's Wild Cards.
@@WilAdams I don't feel like a wall a few metres away and stopping a barrage of tons of water the size of a lake spewing out are that comparable imo! He's also still quite young and inexperienced here, he doesn't even get his ice body form until the end of the next movie years later, let alone close to the Omega level beyond that. I like the idea of the teamwork to make up for it, but he just doesn't have the raw power to handle this to me.
I think this is easily the best and my favorite x men film. (As a team at least since Logan is #1) this is also just an amazing piece of cinema I think anybody could understand and follow the plot enough to be invested
Jean reciting the opening monolog at the end is like at the end of star trek II when spock recited, space, the final frontier. Giving hope that they would both return
I always said the X3 last stand never actually happened. That its logans nightmare that he always has. But after multiverse of madness, i think it does happen. Just not in the main X-Men universe we have come to know at that point. Dreams are glimpses into the multiverse, so it did happen. Just not to our X-Men
Salem Centre isn't another reference to the Xavier School. It's the closest population area to the town, and where the young mutants go to hang out. Also the Massachusetts Academy is a reference to the Hellions (it's the Hellfire Club's version of the X-men school), not a reference to the later location of the Xavier School.
The Massachusetts Academy became the Xavier School for Gifted Youngsters in the mid-90s around the time Generation X was formed. The Westchester school became the Xavier School for Higher Learning and shifted to having older students like a university.
You're wrong about Greymalkin. The character wasn't introduced yet. It's referring to the road the mansion is on, which is also where the character got his name.
10:06-10:25 Jean's just listening to everyone in the studio going over their lines in their heads. I caught that after I got the movie on DVD after it got released.
3:424:536:5027:09 Nightcrawler was such a badass in this film, but he's even more impressive in Wolverine & the X-Men imo. I can't wait to see him in the MCU - hopefully they'll do him justice.
Having grew up with not just the comics, but cards, and other memorabilia, it was cool to see evolution play out from what we thought the most powerful mutants were, Professor X and Magneto as level 4, but then Jean Grey into Phoenix as level 5, true omega level
“You are a God among insects. Never let anyone tell you otherwise” That has to be my favourite line and moment in the film. I love the dynamic Magneto had with Pyro and that its the start John’s journey into The Brotherhood. Also another cool and one of my favourite details is that when Magneto first takes John’s zip lighter he uses his powers but then he hands it back he dose so without them symbolising him building and gaining John’s trust and showing him he’s not the enemy, which is just brilliant filmmaking and writing imo
Didnt know this ep was coming. Just watched the first one and then 23 minutes later i had this. LOVE IT. Giving me shit to listen to while i do house chores.
Just wanted to point out in the easter egg scene you pointed out David North aka Maverick but the pic you used of the actor from X-men Origins Wolverine plays the character Fantomex in that movie.
Please please please give a note to X-Men the official game. It is a true sequel to this movie and comes before X3 it even has some actors returning. Gotta give it a look.
23:28 So I just did some research and found out that in the original X-men timeline, (around the events of Last Stand) Beast was brutally killed by an angry mob after they dragged him out of his house. Jeez, that’s awful!
This is my favorite place for anything nerd related, I love NR, and appreciate all the hard work... but bringing up Ray Stevenson like he's still alive (RIP) when you could have easily name dropped Thomas Jane? Who played a badass incredible Frank Castle?? ????
Nightcrawler can teleport anywhere. He just knows it is a danger to go somewhere he has not been. Might end up being "cut" in half by a table or sofa or something
It's wild how much the Magneto prison break scene mirrors the events of "The Dark Forest" novel. The balls even float around each other in a "Three body esq" orbit pattern. Wondering if Liu Cixin was inspired by or even saw X2.
I don’t like the way this channel uses constant comparisons of X-Men to LBGT topics, but little to none about the mirrored parallels of the civil rights movement, even though that’s literally the exact foundation that this comic was even created.
The opening Nightcrawler fight and the attack on the school are the best action scenes in the film, sadly the ending isn't nearly as exciting. Still, best of the series.
Can I ask a question as an ignorant on the matter? Since this was before the transition, shouldn't we say Ellen Page? (I know this may be sensitive stuff, it's why I'm asking)
One interesting aspect is when Nightcrawler was teleporting, his flesh colored make-up coming off with each "teleport" in the White House. Eventually showing his blue skin.
That small detail was always something I loved.
That nightcrawler opening scene was just 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Classic
Love Nightcrawler
So damn cool! It's funny how menacing he was in that scene and then you meet him and he's like, "Hi, I'm Kurt and I am a great performer 😀"
Twas!
Best opening scene to an xmen movie ever !
I rewatch it every time
28:34 When Pyro basically says to Magneto, "I can't create the flame only manipulate it" he's oblivious to the fact the very mutant he's speaking to and highly respects, Magneto, is in fact essentially the same as him. Magneto doesn't create metal, he "merely" manipulates it. In replying, "you're a god among insects," he's subtly hinting at how much alike the two of them are.
I thought that was so good when I saw the movie
The opening scenes with Nightcrawler is one of my favorite scenes in a superhero film.
Truee
Alan Cumming is up there with Hugh, Reeve, Patrick, JK , and Wesley as the best and most accurate potrayal of a comic book icon
It’s really well done .
I love the idea of the actors actually stepping up together like to call Singer out on his BS (granted, we didn’t know just how dark his BS was at the time…).
It’s like they were the actual X-Men.
Can I have an explanation on this? Cuz I have no idea who or what you're talking about. Who is singer and what did he do?
@@neonclouds9295 Bryan Singer is a film director, he directed 6 X-men movies including this one. He has been accused multiple times of sexually assaulting and raping children, and is infamous for his awful behavior on set including drug use and tantrums.
X2 isn’t only the best X-Men movie but it is up there as one of the best super hero films ever.
Maybe as far as intros
Two words. Dark Phoenix
Nope First Class is the best X-Men movie Superman(1978) is the best superhero movie
@@JBTriple8superman trash , nobody not watching that old dusty shit. Also days of future past is ranked higher than first class on most lists online.
@@JBTriple8very subjective but at the same time objectively wrong
That scene with Jean and the dam -- if only there were a mutant or two who possibly had the ability to quickly freeze water. Oh well...
My mom took me to see it after the dentist on opening day when I was 12, that nightcrawler scene blew me away and still remains one of the best sequences I've ever seen on the big screen
Alan Cumming was Floop in Spy Kids two years before this came out! I remember my mind being blown when I realized Floop was Nightcrawler
Nightcrawler was not only my favorite character in this movie, but in all xmen films tied with Wolverine. I loved everything they did with him, the scars, the back story, his personality, the accent. It was all so perfect n that opening was the best the series ever had.
Same!
Costuming and make-up UNDERSTOOD the assignment
going to the movies and experiencing the nightcrawler scene for the first time not knowing he was going to attack the president was one of my greatest movie going experiences... i was an adult that grew up on the comic books and animated series, but right there, i was in tears... never thought i would ever get to see something on the big screen that only lived in my imagination...
I completely agree. This was an amazing experience in the theater. Last stand when professor x was torn apart by Jean also blew my mind.. I may have also been enhancing my mind at the time of watching that part... These are all great movies.
I'm not gonna lie, I loved Alan Cummings as Nightcrawler, but I can't unsee the actor as Floop from the Spy Kids films. I just can't, he will always be Floop to me.
Yes that's it, I was trying to remember where i recognize him from
It must've been great for Alan Cummings to star alongside his Goldeneye
co-star Famke Janssen. The Janus operative characters Boris and Xenia
were an absolute delight. Their deaths, (Dowsed In Liquid Nitrogen and
Shattered Spine respectfully.) were up there for me in the list of Bond
movies "Henchmen" deaths.
Hearing bye bye bye after Deadpool and Wolverine hits different😂 23:03
23:01 !!!!!! The call back from Deadpool n Wolverine
Admittedly, having Gambit as the assassin would be really cool. It could have brought in the Thieves and Assassins feud down in the Bayou.
8 minutes at the beginning to discuss the Night Crawler scene, totally worth it.
Back in the day, when I first saw, I was totally amazed 😊
17 minutes in, and the folders on Stryker's computer: Graymalkin does NOT refer to Jonas Graymalkin, given that the movie came out in 2003 and Jonas wasn't introduced in the comics until 2008. It probably refers to Cable's orbiting space station, which is also called Graymalkin - both the space station and the character were named after the street address of Xavier's School, which is in Graymalkin Lane, Westchester County.
came to the comments to say the same
Ice man's museum scene in freezing the bully is an homage to his origin comic in 1963 "the iceman cometh" where bobby freezes a bully thus outing him and causing him to enroll at prof.x school
And in the first X-Men movie he did a similar thing in a comedic scene to pryo's fireball
Which is a part of comic Bobby's jokester side
X2, first class, Logan & days of future past (rogue cut) r the best x- men movies no debate
I’ve seen this movie multiple times. I’m 25. Deadpool 3 comes out on my birthday. X2 is one of my favorite X-men movies. And I’ve never, ever, in my life noticed the green star and humanoid figure in the beginning credits. I’m speechless 😂
when is deadpool 3/ your bday coming out again?
@@MattsMCUniverse july 26th
And in 2024 the same song from Nsync (Bye, bye, bye) plays in the opening fight from Deadpool & Wolverine. 😉
Here in X2 it played in the car from Cyclops.
You said Jason Striker was mutant 143. Do you think that is a morbid reference to the meaning of 143 being “I love you” and since Striker is in charge of his son, he’s trying to say “I love you” to his son even though he’s the villain?
I pray that Alan Cummings come back in deadpool 3 his nightcrawler is criminally underrated!
That Deadpool open title song is same as that of X2 movie, in the scene after the fight in school, logan , pyro travel via a blue car, where pyro played this exact song, only for logan to switch off the system, 😮🔥🔥
The metal in the guard that Magneto uses to break out isn't molten, it's just small. We naturally have iron in our blood, he just had too much, allowing Magneto to use it. Although I suppose Magneto's powers could easily enough allow him to super-heat metal if needed.
😊
He didn't use the iron in his blood he used the iron mystique injected inside him.
@@benzorelli9667thats still iron in his blood
@@benzorelli9667 Yeah, but it was an excess of iron in a solution. Not molten iron.
Try picking up a single grain of sand vs a handful of sand. That's why Mystique injected him with more iron
BYE BYE BYE only if he knew then
If it were on the "y" gene, there would be no female mutants.
The Once and Future King is also foreshadowing Jean's death and return, as Arthur takes a fatal wound but is taken to Avalon with the promise to return when he is needed again.
Fading to that wolf just fueled people's confusion over what a "wolverine" is.
So “Bye Bye Bye” in Deadpool is also an Easter egg 😂😂😂????
One of the best X-Men Films and Comic Book Film Sequels. Takes everything that made The First One good and builds upon it. The Opening Scene is one of the best comic book scenes. Hope Cummings's Nigtcrawler comes back for Deadpool 3.
I have always thought that Jean's 'DEATH' could easily have been avoided IF only one of the X-Men on the plan had possessed a power that could transform water into something that could have sealed the breach in the damn. You know, like maybe transforming it into something like an 'ice wall'.
IF only😔 because out of everyone on the plane there was exactly no one who could’ve done that
I hear you but no way teenage Bobby had anything close to the power to do that to a rushing dam of water lol
@@randomspiel I don't know because A) he built (fashioned) a solid ice wall across the corridor in the school to say Logan. So, even as a teen he was pretty powerful. Also, as I envision your idea Bobby would be positioned as Jean was--out in the open--but with Kurt there the two of them could have teleported to the top of the dam and Bobby could then have laid hands on the wall--thereby increasing his power--and then just used ice to plug the hole giving Jean the chance to lift the jet out of danger. You know, working as a team which is the idea behind the X-Men (teamwork) as opposed to George R.R. Martin's Wild Cards.
@@WilAdams I don't feel like a wall a few metres away and stopping a barrage of tons of water the size of a lake spewing out are that comparable imo! He's also still quite young and inexperienced here, he doesn't even get his ice body form until the end of the next movie years later, let alone close to the Omega level beyond that. I like the idea of the teamwork to make up for it, but he just doesn't have the raw power to handle this to me.
Also! The “Hi” Jean hears in the museum is one of the kids at the school during Striker’s attack.
i like how they reinforce that he's not always a straight-up villain; in fact, i think he's even actually been an x-man at one point in the comics
He'll even lead the X-Men in the upcoming animated X-Men 97 reboot
But it ain't no lie, baby bye bye bye
I think this is easily the best and my favorite x men film. (As a team at least since Logan is #1) this is also just an amazing piece of cinema I think anybody could understand and follow the plot enough to be invested
Jean reciting the opening monolog at the end is like at the end of star trek II when spock recited, space, the final frontier. Giving hope that they would both return
I always liked Nightcrawler in the comics because of his Catholic background especially being a Catholic myself as well
Yeah I noticed the "Nightcrawler standing in the room before his cue" thing on my 4th or 5th rewatch. A noticeable flick flub
Discussing Alan Cumming in the early aughts, and no mention of Spy Kids?! 😤
I always said the X3 last stand never actually happened. That its logans nightmare that he always has. But after multiverse of madness, i think it does happen. Just not in the main X-Men universe we have come to know at that point. Dreams are glimpses into the multiverse, so it did happen. Just not to our X-Men
Keep lying to yourself
In the novelization, it is hinted at that the secret service agent who stops nightcrawler has mutant powers and doesn't know it.
Yeah, IIRC they are conscious and awake during the final scene in the Oval Office when Prof X freezes everyone who is human other than the President…
I'm assuming he was Morph
It's great to hear what all the major actors did to Singer after all the crap he did to all those boys at DEN.
This film was such an evolution (pardon the pun) over the first movie, taking everything that worked and then building on it superbly.
Glad you mentioned that blooper shot w Nightcrawler in the shadow w the kids. I’ve always seen that n wondered if anyone else noticed
Salem Centre isn't another reference to the Xavier School. It's the closest population area to the town, and where the young mutants go to hang out. Also the Massachusetts Academy is a reference to the Hellions (it's the Hellfire Club's version of the X-men school), not a reference to the later location of the Xavier School.
that was the one run by Emma Frost wasn't it?
The Massachusetts Academy became the Xavier School for Gifted Youngsters in the mid-90s around the time Generation X was formed. The Westchester school became the Xavier School for Higher Learning and shifted to having older students like a university.
They did sooo good with Alan Cumming as NC. If only we got some visual history about how his abilities work and "where" he is during that traversal.
Magneto coldest line “your a god amongst insects don’t let anyone tell you different”
I have wanted a live action Mister Sinister since the first X-Men. Also really want Gambit and Omega Red.
Yes, Omega Red
Definitely
13:55 Charles sleeps on that mattress with Magneto?
Nice. Ship confirmed!
Lol he did it again at around 24 mins
It still blows my mind that Fegan Floop was in one of these movies.
Idk why they don’t have the first two X-men movies on Disney + makes no sense.
You're wrong about Greymalkin. The character wasn't introduced yet. It's referring to the road the mansion is on, which is also where the character got his name.
I love Halle Berry. That’s all.
Let’s gooooooo
10:06-10:25 Jean's just listening to everyone in the studio going over their lines in their heads.
I caught that after I got the movie on DVD after it got released.
Pretty sure Ray Stevenson can't come back as the Punisher seeing as how he's F***KING DEAD
I said it once ima say it again, this is the best nightcrawler they need to bring him back 🔥🔥
Alan Cumming as Kurt Wagner was an amazing casting choice " Even Dee Voice ? "
The Mutant gene being carried by men only (aka. Y-chromosome) is not possible, because women do not possess y-chromosomes, so could not be mutants...
X2 where wolverine loses it in the x-mansion with iceman is watchable over and over again.
I don’t care what anyone says, that opening with Nightcrawler was super badass!
Does everyone say that?
I saw your 4 years old easter egg video of this movie just yesterday!
yh me too
The three action set-pieces in this movie are still, two decades later, absolutely top-tier.
Still one of the best superhero movies ever made. Nightcrawler’s opening scene is iconic
3:42 4:53 6:50 27:09 Nightcrawler was such a badass in this film, but he's even more impressive in Wolverine & the X-Men imo. I can't wait to see him in the MCU - hopefully they'll do him justice.
I love how Kurt instinctively saves his little sister ( Marie, Rogue ) without anyone telling him
This movie still holds up
Everyone likes the first drop on x2, but I think the best part is the view from the lift hill and the superman flying section after the big drop.
I’ve seen this film a lot but seeing Vos break it down helps me understand it more.
Having grew up with not just the comics, but cards, and other memorabilia, it was cool to see evolution play out from what we thought the most powerful mutants were, Professor X and Magneto as level 4, but then Jean Grey into Phoenix as level 5, true omega level
What I Love about , Stewarts intro on X1 and X2 is... reminiscent of the Space... intro from the Star Trek Movies/ series
I absolutely love every bit of this film. It's these x men films that got me interested in comic book characters.
Bless this team for going over every name and folder on the computer. 10/10 Must have taken some time.
“You are a God among insects. Never let anyone tell you otherwise”
That has to be my favourite line and moment in the film. I love the dynamic Magneto had with Pyro and that its the start John’s journey into The Brotherhood. Also another cool and one of my favourite details is that when Magneto first takes John’s zip lighter he uses his powers but then he hands it back he dose so without them symbolising him building and gaining John’s trust and showing him he’s not the enemy, which is just brilliant filmmaking and writing imo
10:19 I thought the “hi” in that scene was from when Jones says “hi” to one of the soldiers in the mansion scene.
11:23 what was that weird ass cut 😂😂😂
Please cover X-Men First Class; are there lost of 60s easter eggs?
They're doing all of the X-Men movies
How could you not mention Alan Cumming’s biggest role prior to X2? … FEGAN FLOOP!
Didnt know this ep was coming. Just watched the first one and then 23 minutes later i had this. LOVE IT. Giving me shit to listen to while i do house chores.
Ωmega Red made a cameo in Deadpool 2 in the prison scene. A fight scene w/ Wade was filmed but unfortunately it was cut from the film.
Eric and the New Rockstar team are national treasures. Protect at all costs!!
Just wanted to point out in the easter egg scene you pointed out David North aka Maverick but the pic you used of the actor from X-men Origins Wolverine plays the character Fantomex in that movie.
😂love the disinterest with the “Jaws” lighter reference 😒
Calling the president's aide being named Jackie as a Jackie O ref is the kind of stretch that could send you to physical therapy.
I could not find this on Disney plus yesterday when u wanted to watch it
I dont think strikers son was being brainwashed. It was his own mutant dna that striker used to brainwash others.
3:15 Alan Cummings was also Floop in Spy kids in 2001 😃
Please please please give a note to X-Men the official game. It is a true sequel to this movie and comes before X3 it even has some actors returning. Gotta give it a look.
It's too bad the nightcrawler makeup was a bastard to put on. Would have liked to see nightcrawler in x3
23:28 So I just did some research and found out that in the original X-men timeline, (around the events of Last Stand) Beast was brutally killed by an angry mob after they dragged him out of his house. Jeez, that’s awful!
I'm working on a re-watch of all of the marvel movies for the most part, so this is gonna be really fun!
Matthew Macfadyen would actually be such a good MCU Professor Xavier it’s a shame he’ll probably just be some random side character in Deadpool 3
This is my favorite place for anything nerd related, I love NR, and appreciate all the hard work... but bringing up Ray Stevenson like he's still alive (RIP) when you could have easily name dropped Thomas Jane? Who played a badass incredible Frank Castle??
????
Nightcrawler can teleport anywhere. He just knows it is a danger to go somewhere he has not been. Might end up being "cut" in half by a table or sofa or something
It's wild how much the Magneto prison break scene mirrors the events of "The Dark Forest" novel. The balls even float around each other in a "Three body esq" orbit pattern. Wondering if Liu Cixin was inspired by or even saw X2.
I don’t like the way this channel uses constant comparisons of X-Men to LBGT topics, but little to none about the mirrored parallels of the civil rights movement, even though that’s literally the exact foundation that this comic was even created.
The opening Nightcrawler fight and the attack on the school are the best action scenes in the film, sadly the ending isn't nearly as exciting. Still, best of the series.
Also David Kaye later voiced Arishem the Judge in Eternals
Can I ask a question as an ignorant on the matter?
Since this was before the transition, shouldn't we say Ellen Page? (I know this may be sensitive stuff, it's why I'm asking)