maybe i'm wrong but I believe you wouldn't be able to use Dimensional Translocation and shoot with the Deathmark T1 due to the weapon profile having heavy?... soooo bad!
I wish they were two Fire Teams: a Hierotek one with the Plasmacytes, the Despotek, the Apprentek and the Cryptek, then you can have your second Fire Team be one of the four compendium ones.
As a newish Necron collector (I have over 3000pt so far) who is still struggling to finish painting my army and has yet to play a single game.. I jumped on this box as soon as I saw it. Immortal / Deathmark spruce + Cryptec for $55 is a deal, throw in the unique spruce with Plasmacytes and extra bits for upgrading Immortals is just gravy. I started with Indomidus at the end of 2020, added a Combat Patrol, a 2022 Battlefoce box and have rounded off with a few individual kits. Nothing in this killteam box is wasted.
Agree with the first impression that they could use one more operative .. there are even enough in the box! 5 immortals + 2 Plasma thingies + Cryptek + apprentek.. but we’ve been wrong before and I’m really looking forward to playing these guys!! :)
The sad thing is that you probably can get away with using the Royal Warden as a Despotek, kitbash the special Plasmacyte from normal ones, and you really have little incentive to get this killteam as long as you already have the cryteks
I don't find that sad at all. It's good that they can be kitbashed easily so that people can get into this team if they want or more incentive for someone to just kitbash stuff they already have so they can play.
The Deathmarks don't have silent but they do have the dimensional concealment which would let you activate into engage, shoot, then flip back to concealed again. 2APL sucks but you have more than one way to give it free actions or straight up +1AP with the accelerator. definitely won't be making up the majority of your team. I also agree they might get FAQ'd to have one more operative Overall I feel like this is going to be a fairly good team, but not an easy one to play well
Ack. Not what I was hoping for. Was hoping Necrons would get a WD so they could have different operatives. 6 operatives is silly for Necrons. No melee options outside of hyperphase blade. Deathmarks are just....why? 100% agree they needed triarchs and/or lychguard
Hi! New to kill team and I just discovered your channel. Really enjoy this kind of review! I have a few questions. 1. Can you drop the Chonomancers' mines on a point not visible to it? (For exemple: on the other side of a wall (heavy)) 2. Can a cryptek "Command" a despotek anywhere on the battlefield (since the despotek is an Immortal and always 6" of himself)? 3. On a "Into the dark mission" can a cryptek use the "Guard" ability to shoot a target not visible to it via "Maginification Conduit"?
@@CanYouRollaCrit Thank you for the answers! For #3, can the Cryptek shoot via "Guard" if the aprentek can see both the target and the Cryptek but the target is not visible to the cryptek? Sorry for getting into such details 😅
@@CanYouRollaCrit Even if magnification refers to a "Shooting attack"and not "Shoot action"? I think "Overwatch" also refers to it as a "Shooting attack".
Personally, they remind me a lot of Warpcoven. Lord of unique abilities, tricks, and tools. They’ll likely take a while to master, but WC had the same issues until recently. Weird restrictions like heavy on the Deathmark, no silent, living metal BEFORE reanimating protocol, etc. Just weird restrictions just like WC!
Hello im very confused in the crytek action in the latest version In cryptek action Timesplinter or chronometron or nightmare shroud or nanoscarab repair swarm or rise of reanimation Until the start of this operative's next activation, if it's incapacitated, or if another friendly operative performs this action (whichever comes first) Situation 1 A give b A die / another use this skill B now buff Until A activate again B no buff Situation 2 A give b B now buff A die / another use this skill / until A activate again B no buff which situation is (or other) correct?? thanks a lot and supporting your channel
rip Starfire Cores. and why do the Leaders hit on 4s? its unbelievable. regarding the one model for 2 operatives on the roster: I do the same for the dozens of Sorcerers in Warpcoven.
Rules as written it would seem that reanimation protocol only triggers if the model is "attempting reanimation", so it's not free, and there is no way to make that happen before the next turning point, am i right here? are they now even worse than compendium kill team? feels like a big nerf to me to a team that need a big buff Also no more Starfire Core meh
unfortunately, I think it's as intended because none of the datasheet have a "reanimation protocol" ability nor it's specified that every operatives have it: just "common abilities", weird considering how every other kill team works. beside that i think the though process behind this so called balancing, was that contrary to how it worked previously, now you can potentially put all operatives in reanimation mode (it's not a stratagem per se, it's just a mechanic triggered by other stuff) and you can still potentially do it without spending any cp (beside the one you need for the cryptek), the other side of the coin is that now you need to use a lot more brainpower to use this ability, it goes after living metal and you can only do this once for every operative, not a very good trade. also it forces you to take the technomilker boy not to make the team strong, but to make it viable, which is a shame. still i hope i'm wrong and that gw fixes this
Ugh. I've been waiting for a bespoke Necron team.. And this is... It's just bad imo. This team looks awful to pilot. An elite team that isn't elite. Very weird. I have models to proxy if I wanted.. But weird. Definitely dissapointing.
Wait... so the Deathmarks rifle is still heavy; and they nerfed the already overpriced ability to phase in and out which was needed to make them on par with other snipers that just get "Silent" for free; AND the Tac Ploy that lets you deepstrike one on turn one says you count as having made a Normal Move... which means you can't shoot on turn one. Did a Deathmark kick someone at GW's dog or something? This seems excessive.
I think Tesla Carbine is better than you're giving it credit. Doing some quick math on KTCalc, against a single target, it deals almost the same average damage as Gauss Blaster, though it is less swingy and therefore has less chance of one-shotting, and against an invul, it's better (and the gap in one-shot chances is much smaller). And that not considering AoE potential. I think that both guns are a perfectly valid option you have to choose depending on the matchup.
I'd still take the gauss blaster due to the 4/5 damage. If teslas were 3/4 on 5 dice, wouldn't have an issue. Feels like the devs were too worried about tesla on ITD
@@CanYouRollaCrit With 3/4 it would have noticeably better average single-target damage than a Gauss Blaster, which I think would be kinda silly. Edit: Hmm, checking again and I'm not getting the same numbers, Tesla Carbine now does indeed seem much weaker into a single target. All the stats seem right, guess I did a mistake last time.
Thanks for the video John! A few things: a) I'm puzzled - why rules and units got nerfed from the compendium version - adding to the points you've made in your video, re Narrative Equipment, there's even Equipment on the Compendium team which is much more interesting than this team's. b) How underwhelming the character units are - Cryptek, Apprentek and Despotek. When the same model in big 40k hits on 2+, then hitting on 4+ in kill team, that's just... lame! However the rules for this team - to me - feel so dissapointing, that it puts me off of playing them in their current state. This feels like the first draft of a team, one that after 12 months and a few balance data slates, might finally see an update that gives these models the same level of "umph" that similar teams like Warp Coven (3 wizards and marching soldiers) can currently dish out. Sadly it's a whiff, not a crit *badum-ching* Thanks again for the video!
@@CanYouRollaCrit So essentially you've got the tac ploy for one reanimation per turn, and the reanimation beam for another, but they're all rolled at the start of the next turn Did you get a chance to play some more? I played with the chronomancer vs phobos on IT'D and got pretty stomped. I feel like the psycho would have been much better, didn't rate the chrono at all.
After having more time with the team, or witnessing more games - any additional thoughts? I have heard their Tac Ops are easy to score at least, and maybe they’d be better on an open board?
"do i recommend this kill team?" i stop there just to say, i have the box preordered just because i'm necron main since beta, even if it was no beta, you know what i mean, i needed this, the compendium necrons were so bad
@@Morec0 where? Getting plasmaed then fusion or any decent gunner kills them on a average roll? Paying to be normal movement and cant do mission actions or pick ups nor dashing while not using conceal? Wasting a full turn on getting up some vantage point? Yes they shot amazing, that is it... The kill team works if it can kill more than the enemy, but anyone can get concealed or move plasma in the face and hide with dash, run more because of that 2 inches less and kill them if they dont shoot. Or you get objectives and die, or you kill enemies and dont take objectives, that is how it works mostly, obviously all depends on the game and luck, but if you do play them as much as i have done, you'll learn this
@@Morec0 well i dont know what have you been playing and i cant deny that when the dice wants is hard to stop, but on average is fairly bad, but i have been against grey knights, getting destroyed, corsairs, getting destroyed, mechanicus like 70% win rate, tyranids getting destroyed, the new star whatever team(has a dog) got rekt, veteran guard pretty close both times we played but lost... Look some tier list and you'll see how is not only my experience, is basically known they are bad, not as bad as others but on the second lowest tier, look at competition performance as well, you'll see they do quite below average, not horrendously abyssal, but bad.
@@normanderi I can't speak for you either, so there's nothing more for us to say. I will say, though, that it's funny you're struggling with GK. I've been beating my local GK player so bad he said he's going to make me a totem of spare GK bits.
maybe i'm wrong but I believe you wouldn't be able to use Dimensional Translocation and shoot with the Deathmark T1 due to the weapon profile having heavy?... soooo bad!
Yeah that's right ):
CORRECT. It’s only practical use would be for controlling objectives. Unless you’re up against a silly billy.
Yeah you would just use it to spawn on objective and cap it
Yeah. It can be useful if you see a convenient Vantage point, but otherwise, it’s a niche use-case
It is nice that you can pit your heavy gun in a place AFTER you see where the enemy is moving to. Pretty whack that you only have 8 activations tho
to me the biggest thing missing from this kill team, is a pair of cryptothralls, you know, the cryptek bodyguards xD
I do miss the murder buckets xD
cryptothralls is a good name for those persons that do shit with cripto-currency
I wish they were two Fire Teams: a Hierotek one with the Plasmacytes, the Despotek, the Apprentek and the Cryptek, then you can have your second Fire Team be one of the four compendium ones.
It would have worked better as a WD update 😅
It’s crazy how much reanimation protocol didn’t need a nerf lmao (I cannot roll a crit).
I have no idea why it was nerfed );
As a newish Necron collector (I have over 3000pt so far) who is still struggling to finish painting my army and has yet to play a single game.. I jumped on this box as soon as I saw it.
Immortal / Deathmark spruce + Cryptec for $55 is a deal, throw in the unique spruce with Plasmacytes and extra bits for upgrading Immortals is just gravy.
I started with Indomidus at the end of 2020, added a Combat Patrol, a 2022 Battlefoce box and have rounded off with a few individual kits. Nothing in this killteam box is wasted.
Agree with the first impression that they could use one more operative .. there are even enough in the box!
5 immortals + 2 Plasma thingies + Cryptek + apprentek.. but we’ve been wrong before and I’m really looking forward to playing these guys!! :)
Actually there aren't sadly as the Apprentek uses the Immortal sprue to be built
The sad thing is that you probably can get away with using the Royal Warden as a Despotek, kitbash the special Plasmacyte from normal ones, and you really have little incentive to get this killteam as long as you already have the cryteks
Yeah, it's quite easy to proxy/kitbash these guys 😅
I don't find that sad at all. It's good that they can be kitbashed easily so that people can get into this team if they want or more incentive for someone to just kitbash stuff they already have so they can play.
As a Necron 40k player I had that exact thought
Oh well, at least this seems actually playable.
Yeah they're not unplayable at least
The Deathmarks don't have silent but they do have the dimensional concealment which would let you activate into engage, shoot, then flip back to concealed again. 2APL sucks but you have more than one way to give it free actions or straight up +1AP with the accelerator. definitely won't be making up the majority of your team. I also agree they might get FAQ'd to have one more operative
Overall I feel like this is going to be a fairly good team, but not an easy one to play well
It's still too much of a cost for 1 deathmark etc. Just frustrating haha.
Yeah, they're so close to being amazing tho
Ack. Not what I was hoping for. Was hoping Necrons would get a WD so they could have different operatives. 6 operatives is silly for Necrons. No melee options outside of hyperphase blade. Deathmarks are just....why? 100% agree they needed triarchs and/or lychguard
Yeah it's a weird mix for sure sigh
White dwarf would have been way better for necrons
Or the cryptothralls for melee. More cryptek themed.
Hi! New to kill team and I just discovered your channel. Really enjoy this kind of review! I have a few questions.
1. Can you drop the Chonomancers' mines on a point not visible to it? (For exemple: on the other side of a wall (heavy))
2. Can a cryptek "Command" a despotek anywhere on the battlefield (since the despotek is an Immortal and always 6" of himself)?
3. On a "Into the dark mission" can a cryptek use the "Guard" ability to shoot a target not visible to it via "Maginification Conduit"?
Ah thanks!
1) Yes
2) Yes unless otherwise specified
3) No and you also have to be visible to the Apprentek
@@CanYouRollaCrit Thank you for the answers!
For #3, can the Cryptek shoot via "Guard" if the aprentek can see both the target and the Cryptek but the target is not visible to the cryptek? Sorry for getting into such details 😅
No as it's not a shoot action, but a unique ability of the Cryptek
No worries!
@@CanYouRollaCrit Even if magnification refers to a "Shooting attack"and not "Shoot action"? I think "Overwatch" also refers to it as a "Shooting attack".
Yeah but that's not what the cryptek ability is. You can only do a shoot action
Personally, they remind me a lot of Warpcoven. Lord of unique abilities, tricks, and tools. They’ll likely take a while to master, but WC had the same issues until recently.
Weird restrictions like heavy on the Deathmark, no silent, living metal BEFORE reanimating protocol, etc. Just weird restrictions just like WC!
I think they're still slightly worse than WC just because you have a lot fewer operatives
Not giving the chronomancer additonally is quite a schame for the Box. I also have the feeling they lack an aditional body to be a viable team.
Hello im very confused in the crytek action in the latest version
In cryptek action
Timesplinter or chronometron or nightmare shroud or nanoscarab repair swarm or rise of reanimation
Until the start of this operative's next activation, if it's incapacitated, or if another friendly operative performs this action (whichever comes first)
Situation 1
A give b
A die / another use this skill
B now buff
Until A activate again
B no buff
Situation 2
A give b
B now buff
A die / another use this skill / until A activate again
B no buff
which situation is (or other) correct??
thanks a lot and supporting your channel
It's situation B (:
where would you place these teams on the tier list out of interest?
rip Starfire Cores. and why do the Leaders hit on 4s? its unbelievable. regarding the one model for 2 operatives on the roster: I do the same for the dozens of Sorcerers in Warpcoven.
Yeah crypteks somehow got less accurate. True but still silly
Rules as written it would seem that reanimation protocol only triggers if the model is "attempting reanimation", so it's not free, and there is no way to make that happen before the next turning point, am i right here? are they now even worse than compendium kill team? feels like a big nerf to me to a team that need a big buff
Also no more Starfire Core meh
I think it's just horribly worded as that's no the intention at all. Hopefully an FAQ clears it up otherwise, yeah, they're worse
unfortunately, I think it's as intended because none of the datasheet have a "reanimation protocol" ability nor it's specified that every operatives have it: just "common abilities", weird considering how every other kill team works.
beside that i think the though process behind this so called balancing, was that contrary to how it worked previously, now you can potentially put all operatives in reanimation mode (it's not a stratagem per se, it's just a mechanic triggered by other stuff) and you can still potentially do it without spending any cp (beside the one you need for the cryptek), the other side of the coin is that now you need to use a lot more brainpower to use this ability, it goes after living metal and you can only do this once for every operative, not a very good trade.
also it forces you to take the technomilker boy not to make the team strong, but to make it viable, which is a shame.
still i hope i'm wrong and that gw fixes this
Ugh. I've been waiting for a bespoke Necron team.. And this is... It's just bad imo. This team looks awful to pilot. An elite team that isn't elite. Very weird. I have models to proxy if I wanted.. But weird. Definitely dissapointing.
I think they have play but you have to use what doesn't come in the box 😅
Totally get your feelings tho, I'm sad about it too ):
Wait... so the Deathmarks rifle is still heavy; and they nerfed the already overpriced ability to phase in and out which was needed to make them on par with other snipers that just get "Silent" for free; AND the Tac Ploy that lets you deepstrike one on turn one says you count as having made a Normal Move... which means you can't shoot on turn one.
Did a Deathmark kick someone at GW's dog or something? This seems excessive.
Yup, pretty bad that they did NOTHING to improve Deathmarks. Such a waste
I am quite annoyed that they left out the Plasmancer...
Agreed, very confusing
they only sell him in a "bundle" on their website. that's why.
@@Mystero9 Well, keeping things people want in bundles is pretty standard for GW.
@ Ahh you mean like the SM Judiciar??
I think Tesla Carbine is better than you're giving it credit. Doing some quick math on KTCalc, against a single target, it deals almost the same average damage as Gauss Blaster, though it is less swingy and therefore has less chance of one-shotting, and against an invul, it's better (and the gap in one-shot chances is much smaller). And that not considering AoE potential. I think that both guns are a perfectly valid option you have to choose depending on the matchup.
I'd still take the gauss blaster due to the 4/5 damage. If teslas were 3/4 on 5 dice, wouldn't have an issue. Feels like the devs were too worried about tesla on ITD
@@CanYouRollaCrit With 3/4 it would have noticeably better average single-target damage than a Gauss Blaster, which I think would be kinda silly.
Edit: Hmm, checking again and I'm not getting the same numbers, Tesla Carbine now does indeed seem much weaker into a single target. All the stats seem right, guess I did a mistake last time.
Thanks for the video John!
A few things:
a) I'm puzzled - why rules and units got nerfed from the compendium version - adding to the points you've made in your video, re Narrative Equipment, there's even Equipment on the Compendium team which is much more interesting than this team's.
b) How underwhelming the character units are - Cryptek, Apprentek and Despotek. When the same model in big 40k hits on 2+, then hitting on 4+ in kill team, that's just... lame!
However the rules for this team - to me - feel so dissapointing, that it puts me off of playing them in their current state.
This feels like the first draft of a team, one that after 12 months and a few balance data slates, might finally see an update that gives these models the same level of "umph" that similar teams like Warp Coven (3 wizards and marching soldiers) can currently dish out.
Sadly it's a whiff, not a crit *badum-ching*
Thanks again for the video!
Thanks, yeah it's a big whiff. Hopefully the team gets fixed eventually
I'm not clear on how reanimation works. When you've got the reanimation beam on someone and they die, do you reaninate straight away or the next turn?
You roll for it at the start of the next turn
@@CanYouRollaCrit So essentially you've got the tac ploy for one reanimation per turn, and the reanimation beam for another, but they're all rolled at the start of the next turn
Did you get a chance to play some more? I played with the chronomancer vs phobos on IT'D and got pretty stomped. I feel like the psycho would have been much better, didn't rate the chrono at all.
Yup!
Yeah played them a bit since the recent buffs. Very strong
@@CanYouRollaCrit Still rate the techomancer as the go to choice?
Nah it's the chrononancer
After having more time with the team, or witnessing more games - any additional thoughts? I have heard their Tac Ops are easy to score at least, and maybe they’d be better on an open board?
Suck on ITD, don't use the Technomancer or Apprentek. It sucks but it is what it is
Im a little confused. What exactly is the difference between the Reanimation Protocols from the compendium and one from this kill team?
Somehow reanimation is worse for Hierotek Circle
Reanimation protocol is on each Hirotek? Or you need abilities like Reanimation Beam to triger it?
Have to trigger it, sighhh
@@CanYouRollaCrit And what happen when you cannot trigger it? You leave death marker ?
Yup
Hi, can you tell us the size of the bases ??? Thank you
Technomancer is 50, necrons 32mm and 25mm for plasmacytes (:
@@CanYouRollaCrit thank you
@@CanYouRollaCrit 50mm? Not a 40mm… whyyyyy
He THICC
@@CanYouRollaCrit what about the apprentek?
They looks worsts than in compendium. Sad
They're still better than compendium, not that bad haha
"do i recommend this kill team?" i stop there just to say, i have the box preordered just because i'm necron main since beta, even if it was no beta, you know what i mean, i needed this, the compendium necrons were so bad
Are you nuts? Double Immortal teams were unstoppable!
@@Morec0 where? Getting plasmaed then fusion or any decent gunner kills them on a average roll? Paying to be normal movement and cant do mission actions or pick ups nor dashing while not using conceal? Wasting a full turn on getting up some vantage point? Yes they shot amazing, that is it... The kill team works if it can kill more than the enemy, but anyone can get concealed or move plasma in the face and hide with dash, run more because of that 2 inches less and kill them if they dont shoot. Or you get objectives and die, or you kill enemies and dont take objectives, that is how it works mostly, obviously all depends on the game and luck, but if you do play them as much as i have done, you'll learn this
@@normanderi I don't know how you've been playing, but I've been able to take obj AND stomp my opponents. Mass gauss is godly.
@@Morec0 well i dont know what have you been playing and i cant deny that when the dice wants is hard to stop, but on average is fairly bad, but i have been against grey knights, getting destroyed, corsairs, getting destroyed, mechanicus like 70% win rate, tyranids getting destroyed, the new star whatever team(has a dog) got rekt, veteran guard pretty close both times we played but lost... Look some tier list and you'll see how is not only my experience, is basically known they are bad, not as bad as others but on the second lowest tier, look at competition performance as well, you'll see they do quite below average, not horrendously abyssal, but bad.
@@normanderi I can't speak for you either, so there's nothing more for us to say. I will say, though, that it's funny you're struggling with GK. I've been beating my local GK player so bad he said he's going to make me a totem of spare GK bits.
It is just disappointing....
At least they're not like Kasrkin haha
@@CanYouRollaCrit hahahahahaha