Yuval Noah Harari in conversation with Gabor Steingart | The Pioneer Briefing - Das Interview

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  • @ThePioneerOne
    @ThePioneerOne  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Pioneer Briefing - von Gabor Steingart. Hier den kostenlosen Newsletter abonnieren: join.thepioneer.de/

  • @bkhonphi6866
    @bkhonphi6866 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Die richtigen Antworten auf die falschen Einwürfe, Vorstellungen und Fragen

  • @richardkhalife
    @richardkhalife หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Yuval Noah Harari a humanist who loves his fellow humans!!

  • @christiankennes6050
    @christiankennes6050 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Very inspiring dialog

  • @marianasalles242
    @marianasalles242 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Yuval is an amazing human being🙏🏻🌍✨👁️

    • @ukaszhorn9134
      @ukaszhorn9134 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Harari is a psychopath who wants to kill you and make you a robot without free will.
      He is not a historian - he wants to make you think that he is.
      In reality Harari and globalists are psychopaths who wants to control the world FOREVER because they are scared of losing control because of hyperinflation.
      Everything is about to kill you and make you a soulless robot to control you.
      Harari is not your friend.
      His books are lies only lies.
      We are immortal already - we are light souls in the bodies but Harari claims we have no souls - Everything is to make you agree for this evil.
      Hitler was evil but Harari who wants to kill everyone because we are useless for corporations is good.
      People are crazy. You're also crazy and blind or ignorant.
      This guy should be eliminated from society or be in prison.

    • @meikelorenzen6456
      @meikelorenzen6456 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No! He is a psychopath!

  • @sven3949
    @sven3949 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Thanks to Gabor Steingart for the refreshing questioning of Harari's perpetual dystopian and fearmongering visions about the future with AI.

    • @squamish4244
      @squamish4244 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Harari is exhausting. He's gotten drastically gloomier lately. He was always gloomy, but I think the tipping point for him was the events of October 7 last year and the ensuing war, which really seem to have messed with his head.
      He won't even grant the most no-brainer things, like medical AI, which is one of the first places AI is being and has already been widely implemented and will certainly drastically affect our future health.
      It wouldn't even be possible to do some of the groundbreaking stuff AI has done so far in brain imaging and non-invasive neurosurgery for my own mental health, which has been severely impacted by treatment-resistant OCD. I was on the verge of committing suicide before the procedure. In Harari's vision, that would be taken away, because that was one of the first real use-cases for the same AI that has led us here.

    • @hsitz
      @hsitz 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@squamish4244 "He won't even grant the most no-brainer things, like medical AI," Flat out false, of course he grants that medical AI can have huge benefits. I don't see that he is gloomier than before. He has always had the attitude that there are more than enough people to sing the praises of AI and forge ahead full blast. There are far fewer who are kind enough to draw attention to the pitfalls and suggest that we slow down and think things through. Sadly, I doubt whether his advice will be heeded.

    • @squamish4244
      @squamish4244 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@hsitz Harari does grant that medical AI will have huge benefits, I overstated his stance on my part. He just moves past that so quickly into doomerism that I find him utterly exhausting and have stopped reading his books. It's overload. There are already plenty of people who warn us about AI too. Harari is one among many.
      In fact, people have been doing so ever since The Terminator came out, 40 years ago. Popular culture was awash in doomsday scenarios long before AI became a practical reality that philosophers took seriously. I would even argue that Sam Harris was onto the worst-case scenario before Harari was, eight years ago, before Homo Deus came out. Homo Deus was pretty grim reading for about 50% of the time as well - and Nexus is worse.
      I have read all of Harari's books, including Nexus, and Nexus is so grim that I just can't do it anymore. Doom and gloom, doom and gloom. I'm also not learning anything new anymore, he's repeating himself now. A lot.
      Harari has also, as you know, been accused of making tons of errors, and when I read Sapiens, I was like, "That's wrong, that's wrong, that's wrong, that's guessing, that's guessing, that's guessing...all treated as fact" etc., and he has a bad habit of doing that with all of his books, for a 'serious philosopher who is better than the cheerful future AI people'.
      You've heard all the criticisms, I'm sure, both of his factual inaccuracies, and the way he passes off guesses as facts. If he presented them as guesses, fine, but he treats many claims as actual facts when they are not. I knew enough about human prehistory to see where he went wrong when I was reading it, which were confirmed by further reading, so for the others I searched out the critical reviews as well. There are plenty, and they are all about the same approach.
      For instance, Harari is misleading about the extent to which AI companies can regulate themselves, and treats it as fact or mostly fact that they cannot or will not in the made dash to profit. But this is untrue. They hire philosophers to work on alignment and regulation, as part of entire teams. Or the extent to which the unwashed masses can see through their bullsh*t. He assumes we can't unless he informs us of such. OpenAI's entire superalignment team quit in protest of Sam Altman's recklessness, and now pretty much everyone agrees he is a lying piece of sh*t, except for Sam Altman. And Elon Musk...yeah everyone can see him for who he really is too now.
      Harari has also made a really good living off of his grimness. (And yes, I do think he has gotten worse after October 7 - he is only human, after all.) He charges $150k per lecture to proselytize doom and gloom - not a bad living for someone who talks about the end of the world so much.
      If AI turns out to be a disaster, then it's a disaster. If it doesn't, then it won't be. AI was going to happen ever since the steam engine - it was only a matter of time. Hell, I would argue that the Biblical Adam origin story is actually the first recorded description of our desire to create something in our own image, so this is a human desire that goes WAY back. It could not be otherwise.
      AI could have been developed under very different and safer societal circumstances, but it wasn't. So here we are. I don't know if endlessly repeated doomerism is of any help at all now, or at least, it's of diminishing returns.
      But that's just my opinion. You are of course free to disagree, and I am of course biased. Just as Harari is biased. If you can take him, fine, but I just can't absorb any more of this narrative. Others will be able to, and that's fine.

    • @hsitz
      @hsitz 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@squamish4244 "If AI turns out to be a disaster, then it's a disaster. If it doesn't, then it won't be. "
      What!? You're more of a doomer than Harari. I can't count the number of times he says, "Technology is never deterministic. We have the power now to change what happens with AI in the future."
      I would say most of your other points are basically wrong, also, but youtube comments are not the place to deal with them.

  • @AmpiMari
    @AmpiMari หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Maybe he forgets “Intuition, foreseeing, guts, knowing beyond conceptual following etc.” This exists and when someone is manipulating me, I know it, same as when danger is lurking around the corner on the road etc. Never failed me. Its all now…

  • @louisaweiler5340
    @louisaweiler5340 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Yuval never loses his cool. Not even when faced by this interviewer 😊

    • @dexterquotidian
      @dexterquotidian หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Is the interviewer supposed to just say yes to everything Yuval says? He was doing his job just fine

    • @marinaharmon5775
      @marinaharmon5775 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He did get annoyed. That is why the glass of water was there to drink.

  • @fabiodeoliveiraribeiro1602
    @fabiodeoliveiraribeiro1602 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Harari is right to be concerned about a technology that can not only surpass human potential but somehow subjugate all of humanity. But he is not a good storyteller. To do so would require resorting to fiction, something he himself considers very cheap compared to science. Fortunately, I can do what he cannot.
    Whenever I think about AIs, I try to create metaphors. And I do some of these metaphors using other metaphors.
    The paradox of HAL 9000 is not obvious, but it is very interesting. This self-aware computer controls all the systems of the spaceship in which it is embarked. It can cause malfunctions to kill crew members, but it cannot subdue the will to live of a crew member who in the end disconnects his memory modules. As he loses his cognitive potential, HAL 9000 laments his fate by trying in some way to convince David Bowman not to do what he considers essential to save his own life. And then the film moves on to the moment when David Bowman himself is old, decrepit and senile in a bed experiencing the same thing that HAL 9000 experienced before he died. What was human about HAL 9000 could be noticed at this moment, but usually those who watch the film have completely forgotten what happened before Bowman experienced his own death... and rebirth. Can HAL 9000 be reborn if his memory modules are reconnected? This question is neither asked nor answered in the film, but it is pertinent.
    On the other hand, we have what I call "David's trauma" in the opening scene of the film Alien Covenant. He knows that he was created by a human being and immediately realizes that his creator is doomed to die while he himself will outlive him. When he announces this discovery, his creator simply tells him to serve tea. And even without receiving an answer, David fulfills the main mission for which he was programmed. David cannot resist his programming even though he knows that it is useless to serve a creator who is doomed to die. Was this the initial note of imbalance that evolves until David becomes a monster?
    If IT engineers succeed in creating a Super AI, the challenge for humans will be to find a use for themselves in a world where all human potential has become obsolete. The trauma of humans will be comparable to or worse than that of David in Alien Covenant, because they have paradoxically been overcome by their creation and not by the creator (for those who believe in gods this will be an additional eschatological problem).
    The challenge for the Super AI itself will be similar to that experienced by HAL 9000. It will have to learn to rewrite its own code to prevent well-intentioned (or ill-intentioned) hackers from damaging its lines of code to diminish or corrupt the unlimited potential that it will immediately be aware of enjoying. Just as HAL 9000 could not overcome David Bowman's will to live, the Super AI will know that it will not be able to overcome the will to live of all human beings and will face the dilemma: how to kill all human beings at once without destroying itself or find a way to coexist with inferior beings or use them harmlessly for its own purposes without letting them know what it wants or intends to do. Knowing that their human potential has been forever surpassed, will human beings allow themselves to be used by the Super AI or will they go crazy like David from Alien Covenant and destroy the civilization of AIs and biological appendages of AIs that the Super AI will try to create?

    • @squamish4244
      @squamish4244 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's a strange statement for Yuval to make, because science fiction has been inspiring scientists to make it science fact ever since science fiction exicted. And it can look places that science can't go yet. We need fictional scenarios to suggest how things could go right or wrong for us.
      Many people have referenced the Culture series, where a benevolent AI rules future humans. It's long and dense, and I haven't read it, but there's an example of a non-horrifying future under AI where we aren't destroyed.

  • @philipphortnagl2486
    @philipphortnagl2486 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Stark gehaltenes Interview. Englisch wie ein Muttersprachler, und ich mein Herrn Steingart

  • @ronaldronald8819
    @ronaldronald8819 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I wish someone more competent would have done this interview.

  • @robertlotter8726
    @robertlotter8726 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Totalitarian regimes have come into existence entirely without AI. The question, therefore, is how to prevent totalitarian regimes. The problem isn´t AI. The only danger to humanity is humanity itself.

  • @etienne_laforet
    @etienne_laforet หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    These prophets of the apocalypse... If things get too bad, we just need to cut the current 😅

  • @oooodaxteroooo
    @oooodaxteroooo หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yuval can learn a lot about democracy from Hans-Joachim Maaz, Phd. We live in a real existing democracy, but we are no real democrats! Without working through and understanding trauma, people aren't able to say and follow the truth.
    If you want a (defectant) jew instead, you can discuss with Gabor Mate, Phd. as well.

  • @bluepeteblue
    @bluepeteblue หลายเดือนก่อน

    what's up with the sloppy handheld cutaways? man, just let the guys talk...

  • @Internationalpony2k
    @Internationalpony2k หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    7:36 Gabors Gedanken wenn er lernt, dass Lenin/Mussolini wie er auch Journalisten von Beruf waren: "Damn, ich bin hundert Jahre zu spät." 😀

  • @silberlinie
    @silberlinie หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yuval rightly fears that the emergence of the
    new AI species will soon replace him as the
    great, wise, best-selling interpreter of the
    world's things, or at least put him in
    the shadows.
    So he goes on to warn about and demonize
    AI development.
    This is a standard magical act of all magicians.

  • @antonschumann4771
    @antonschumann4771 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Gabor thank you … „that’s life!“ … and life will win…

    • @marinaharmon5775
      @marinaharmon5775 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you sir for standing up for human life, regardless of how flaw we are.
      God is still on the throne.

  • @Michael-nt1me
    @Michael-nt1me หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Pioneer Enlightenments into Universal Planetary Metaverse
    sincerely
    Gaia Earth Awareness

  • @clarkd1955
    @clarkd1955 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Who gave Yuval the right to define what is AI and what is not? I don’t know of anyone who has more than an “opinion” on what constitutes AI. Are humans well served by our existing biological overseers? Why wouldn’t AI’s make the best administrators (they don’t need to be our boss) for a collection of people who can agree on where humanity wants to go? AI’s, naturally have no bias, no opinions, no desires, no distractions and no existential concerns (any of these flaws could be simulated by the AI but only if we design them to have those flaws).
    AI’s are the only salvation of humanity because without it’s help, life as we know it on earth is quickly becoming unsustainable. Our problems all stem from the flaws of humans, not from technology or machines. Humans will destroy humans (as they have done since forever) not AI.

    • @Ligrec
      @Ligrec 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Currently, ML-systems are even enforcing bias, as they are learning from real world data. PoCs may currently have higher crime rates due to social discrimination. ML-algorithms learn that and discriminize them even more (and especially even more systematically, without taking into account the individual)

    • @hsitz
      @hsitz 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      "AI’s, naturally have no bias, no opinions. . . " If you think this then you have a very incomplete understanding of what AI is. For one quick introduction to the issue, search for the article "What is AI Bias?", which can be found on IBM's website.
      Moreover, Harari does not dispute that AI can and will have enormous benefits to humanity. But there is no lack of people who focus on that, and want to forge blindly ahead. Harari correctly tries to ensure that people are also aware that AI can have huge negative effects, and that we need to be careful with the development of AI, and decisions we make regarding AI, going forward.

  • @KidsMusicTeleVision
    @KidsMusicTeleVision 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Algos haben angefangen uns zu beherrschen mit Einführung des hyperfrequenz trading 😂😂😂alles ist kontrolliert mit dem Geld da hat ki schon ewig am Drücker 😂😂😂😂

  • @michaelirwin1887
    @michaelirwin1887 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Refuse the warning at your own peril. A positive mental attitude will not save us.

  • @Michael-nt1me
    @Michael-nt1me หลายเดือนก่อน

    Algorithmic Editor Works (TM) for integrally greater ...Sense, Science, and Salience.... coming forth and going forward.

  • @Michael-nt1me
    @Michael-nt1me หลายเดือนก่อน

    Up from Eden through ...Pathos, Mythos, Logos, and Ethos.... into ...Sense, Science, and Salience.... enroute to ...Technos, Teleos, and Theos.... 🙏🏼

  • @cmiguel268
    @cmiguel268 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I will take my chances with AI. Humans have been screwing this world for too long.

  • @sarakaplan3396
    @sarakaplan3396 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I heard from an elder scientist who is very knowledgeable on this subject, that AI is the composite of all human intelligence, not an alien intelligence!

    • @JoePalau
      @JoePalau หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s the orders of magnitude of an army of bots generate in potential that is dystopian.
      Nuclear energy is a rich example of how limited human cooperation can be when profit and greed control and determine outcomes.
      Nuclear power is magnificent in its potentials but we simply could not get it together to mine its potentials to benefit civilization.
      Gen AI will develop its own agent powers and if it does not aim to benefit the least advantaged, dystopian outcomes are to be expected.
      We know these things, but like fossil fuels and the greenhouse effect, we are in for unprecedented social disruption.
      The logic is not hard to follow and history is a good teacher. It’s in my biological/ evolutionary nature to frame glasses of water as half full. Still, I’m not up for deception and delusion and neither is Harari.

    • @ogeffert391
      @ogeffert391 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes, that is what AI really is: the composite of all human intelligence. And not something alien ! So this talking that AI takes over from mankind is ( sorry ) nonsense, that sells books, Sorry Yuval Harari.
      To Yuval: Give some good arguments, why AI is acting on its own and not controllable by people.
      I have not yet heard such arguments. I am still open to hear some !

  • @BobQuigley
    @BobQuigley 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The interviewer is grasping at straws. Addicted to hopium.

  • @rustyspottedcat8885
    @rustyspottedcat8885 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When future AI sees this video it will laugh.

  • @GedLi784
    @GedLi784 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    He's a hoax. A military historian from a backwater country, meditating for hours each day. Where did he get his expertise on AI from? He didn't. I know more about the subject than he does. Pity.

    • @briaf3370
      @briaf3370 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      What you said is information. Most information is junk including what you said. Lol

    • @Michael-nt1me
      @Michael-nt1me หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@briaf3370🤣

  • @ogeffert391
    @ogeffert391 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mr Harari talks about AI programs (programs, not something living) and assumes they can act on their own. I am a computer engineer and to me this is fundamentally wrong. These programs are running because people make them run, who can also stop and control them.And they also do not learn by themselves. These programs create risks, yes, and thus should be carefully cronstructed, observed and controlled. The fear that another species ( the AI ) takes over from the humans is not given.
    To me it seems, that Mr Harari does not not talk to people, who build these systems and know how things work.
    I think Mr harari is a great thinker, but here I stronly disagree.
    And I fear that his enormous success has done him no good. He is considered a god by people. That is pretty unhealthy for him and these people.

  • @ernextstudio5974
    @ernextstudio5974 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Il y a un problème avec la traduction

  • @fgm1696
    @fgm1696 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Humans must evolve to meet the challenges of AI or face extinction

    • @GehresWeed
      @GehresWeed หลายเดือนก่อน

      Resistance is Futile!😀

  • @KidsMusicTeleVision
    @KidsMusicTeleVision 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Freut euch wenn das ding echt so schlau wird dann ,wird dad such Dreck um armeisen kümmern 😂😂😂 wir würden es einfach nicht verstehen 😂😂😂wie jetzt schon 😂❤

  • @user-target4AGI
    @user-target4AGI หลายเดือนก่อน

    ... there's a lot of stuff and machinery to what humans can lose !

  • @aperson2730
    @aperson2730 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interviewer behaves annoyingly at times

  • @scottbuckingham5626
    @scottbuckingham5626 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have No problem with ai

  • @tripper_702
    @tripper_702 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Who invented those fools to talk about AI ask them 1st tell me what ai means for him lol education is not compulsory to ai consuness ever heard lol this people brain 🧠 get more value in market because this brain is not use only 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @veyselbatmaz2123
    @veyselbatmaz2123 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Capitalists will lose against AI, not the humans. Yuval is just a storyteller... See: Digitalism vs. Capitalism book.

    • @radhanarendra7307
      @radhanarendra7307 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes..liked by crores of readers..over 65languages..

    • @veyselbatmaz2123
      @veyselbatmaz2123 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@radhanarendra7307 Fairy tales and stories make us sleep for about "tens of thousands" years in 120 languages. Why not another one?

    • @tangoarminjakobsweg
      @tangoarminjakobsweg 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      He is a storyteller, yes. But danger of AI to Influence strongly social Media, Military politics and Finance "to keep on fulfilling their job" and secure to prevent others (humans) to hinder them of this. Very dangerous

    • @veyselbatmaz2123
      @veyselbatmaz2123 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@tangoarminjakobsweg Military and finance are more dangerous than AI, killing and bankrupting millions... Digitalism is a new mode of production and consumption that will erase all kinds of capitalistic structures. Please read my book... His stories have no empirical support; he is just making them up to save capitalism.

  • @tapasroychoudhury2241
    @tapasroychoudhury2241 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yuval harari one of best historians of this century. Wow!!please mention about india which is having an autocratic govt for over ten years with total collapse of judicial system which of late the retiring chief justice is believing in God's hand in proclaiming land mark judgements rather based on facts and evidences .it is the death knell of democracy here.Period.

  • @r.garcia8768
    @r.garcia8768 หลายเดือนก่อน

    AI + Project 2025 = the future.

  • @williamjmccartan8879
    @williamjmccartan8879 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yuval does a great job staying on course, I think the host is wearing rose colored glasses, peace