Kandao Obsidian Pro In-Depth Review: vs Insta360 Titan & Blackmagic Ursa 12K w/ Test Footage
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2024
- In the past 4 weeks, we have had the unique opportunity to test out a $35,000 VR camera. The Kandao Obsidian Pro was interesting to try out in the field. We took this 30 pounds of metal EVERYWHERE in real-world scenarios, in different locations from Yosemite National Park to Laguna Beach.
In this video, we will show you our results in comparison to the Insta360 Titan 11K VR camera and the Blackmagic Ursa Mini Pro 12K with Entaniya Fisheye lens. We will list all the pros and cons of the Obsidian Pro to help you decide if you should invest or wait.
Let’s JUMP right in:
0:00 - Obsidian Pro in the wild
4:00 - Obsidian Pro vs Insta360 Titan vs Blackmagic Ursa 12K
5:12 - ✅Sharpness & details
6:40 - ✅Color bit-depth
7:27 - ✅HDR color space
7:44 - ⛔️60FPS 3D 360
9:44 - ✅Low light & sample
10:07 - Obsidian Pro vs Qoocam 8K Enterprise
10:46 - ⛔️3D & Hyperstereo
11:25 - Obsidian Pro vs Insta360 Titan 3D 360 sample
12:53 - What is hyper stereo?
13:33 - Obsidian Pro narrative and feature film sample
14:03 - ✅Near Focus
15:07 - Near focus vs normal focus sample
16:33 - ✅12K 3D 360 photo sample
17:05 - ✅ Hybrid Log Gamma (HLG)
18:10 - ❤️️Filming Tips: master Obsidian Pro in the field
18:17 - ⛔️Heavy camera
18:26 - Battery options: V-mount vs Zendure SuperBase Pro
19:09 - Tripod
19:32 - Mounting system recommendation
19:49 - Freedom360 Quick Release Mount
20:09 - Nodal Ninja EZ Leveler II
20:19 - ⚠️We found a wild BEAR 🐻
21:05 - ✅Aperture control, exposure settings, and histogram
21:34 - ⛔️Obsidian Pro get HOT 🔥 fast
21:52 - Post Processing / Workflow
22:00 - ✅Simple DIT offloading
22:38 - ⛔️Need extra 10G ethernet card
23:00 - ✅Codecs: RAW, ProRes 422, ProRes HQ, ProRes LT & H.265
23:11 - ⛔️KDRAW is NOT practical & why
23:42 - ⛔️Computer specs (very high-end & expensive)
24:11 - ⚠️WARNING: do NOT shoot at H.265 10-bit
24:40 - ⛔️Data storage
25:02 - My final thoughts
25:08 - Obsidian Pro 3D Anaglyph view (use 3D glasses to watch)
📖If you like to read, here is our blog post: xr.creatorup.com/kandao-obsid...
Or on Medium: bit.ly/3y5UqBa
Images without compression are also in the blog post for download.
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📷360 Photos on Facebook 360:
Obsidian Pro DNG (stitched in PTGui 12): bit.ly/3zFRbR4
Obsidian Pro Jpeg (stitched in PTGui 12): bit.ly/3y7DWsa
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➡️ Official info on Kandao Obsidian Pro: bit.ly/obsidianpro
➜ My new 360VR Filmmaking Masterclass: film360.video/
🛒Equipment to buy or rent with Obsidian Pro:
V-mount battery: amzn.to/3BDPxkQ
Zendure SuperBase 500: bit.ly/35KYjQn
Zendure SuperBase Pro: bit.ly/3k56PiG
Leveler: amzn.to/3BGbEab
10G Ethernet card: amzn.to/3i69qcJ
#ObsidianPro #12K #VRcamera
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See single frame Obsidian Pro footage without TH-cam compression:
Obsidian Pro DNG (close to KDRAW): bit.ly/3zFRbR4 | Obsidian Pro Jpeg (close to H.265): bit.ly/3y7DWsa - let me know what else you want to see.
Awesome review! Thanks for including SuperBase Pro!
Excellent work again Hugh. You do your homework so well!!
Thank you Chris!
Damn, you're so good! I'm amazed you don't have more subscribers but it's bound to happen soon. Thanks.
thanks for making this video !!
Hugh is on another level with his knowledge.
Awww thank you!!
Fantastic comparison!
I’m very curious as to why the Ursa+Entaniya performed so poorly compared to the other cameras. The Obsidian Pro has almost the same sensor size as the UrsaMiniPro12k and the Obsidian Pro’s lenses have almost the same angle of view (195°) as the Entaniya HAL200 (200°). So theoretically, if you take a center crop of the image, which you seem to have done, the Ursa should look better than the Obsidian Pro since it has a much higher PPI and thus more pixels per degree of AoV.
There must be some other explanation. Any ideas?
Hi, I've watched a few of your videos already, great work! What camera would you buy with a budget of $5000? It would be for filming people from close to medium range.
Awesome video!
Thank you 🙏🏼
I had so much fun on this Obsidian Pro project! Thanks Hugh for letting me tag along on this journey. Good luck editing the Yosemite footage.
Any time!
Love the camera, can't wait to see the video. I would like to see video like this with adjustable parallax based on eye tracking. Would be a large file, but very cool.
The idea of depth-map base stitch might be able to do something like this as they are adjusting the stereo base using depth-map and the depth budget can be animated.
I think eventually it will have to be a a combination of Stereoscopic video, depth map and lidar.
12:50 So that's why I see this very common effect in VR; that was very useful, thanks. Interestingly, no IPD will be the same between individuals, so for those who have a smaller than average IPD, they may notice this effect more.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the shout out Hugh!😊 For your next video I think you should do a comparison between this and the Jaunt One. It's actually smaller and lighter! I'll bet Simon M. would be game! 😉
Great idea! I actually do have the Jaunt One or can get one to test pretty easy. I just do not want to stitch it with Mistika VR as stitching Jaunt one is nightmare for me.
@@hughhou Oh cool! If you have easy access to a Jaunt One, I think a shoot out would be awesome. Re: stitching - if there's a Mistika template it should be pretty straightforward. I'll bet Simon could help with that for sure. Or Roman. Do it! Do it! 😀
@@dlawrence Okay I will look into that. Thank you for the feedback :)
@@hughhou Awesome! Thank you!😎👍
Great video! Can Mistika VR Stitcher software be use to stitch other 360 videos or does it only support a certain 360 camera file type ?
It support all video type. I use it to stitch SONY A1 and ARRI Alexa
Hey Hugh! Does the Obsidian Pro compromise its processing by capturing footage with a dynamic/variable frame rate, similar to the Titan? If not, is there a timecode or genlock option possible?
It’s constant frame rate. There is no timecode option - but good to ask them to include it.
Very helpful video. Very helpful video. What I miss about the Obsidian Pro is a wireless remote control. Can this camera only be operated via the internal display? That would be an absolute roadbreaker for me.
You actually operate with the iPad app or remote app.
Id like to see the Ursa 12K adapted to use the Canon 5.2mm VR lens
Me to - that will be up to Blackmagic to make one!
VR360拍摄得很精彩漂亮！讲述也很好👍！
Excellent overview, Hi want to take a camera to create stereo tours, I want to take the titanium but it is very bulky, is there a similar analog compact with the same quality?
Yes, Insta360 Pro 2 - th-cam.com/video/i_Gjdb55wEE/w-d-xo.html
This is an awesome camera but 2:42 you can see the stitching problem of the Obsidian. Can't wait for Insta360 to come up with the Titan 2, even i couldn't afford it either, lol
They are release an official stitching software soon to fix those issues. I wish Titan 2 coming out but no news at all.
VR360拍摄很漂亮很好！讲述非常好👍！
WOW cool! Clearly image quality would be great but yeah my first thought was the IPD distance would be too far and that things would look the wrong size. I'm still only learning but it seems odd to me that a company would invest so much RND into a really expensive camera that has such obvious issues with close up 3d and the hyperstereo. I can't imagine post would truly fix the issues either as we really need to shoot 2 images as close to human eyes as possible. That's why I love my k2pro!!!
Yes K2Pro is great - just shot this with it: th-cam.com/video/ivn0J_6PJVs/w-d-xo.html - this review video focus on the hardware as their stitcher software is not ever out yet. So we don't really know if that large IPD is really large IPD - as look like from the Mistika VR panel with Dan, their software adjust the IPD back to normal before stitch alignment - there are a lot AI in the process before even running optical flow. So I will have an follow up video focus on the software when they release it to the public (or hopefully I can get a beta version soon but still radio silence so far )
@@hughhou Oh wow, I love dance in VR... its probably my favourite thing to watch in VR!!! I'll watch this tonight! I actually stopped using Mistika as the preset wasnt giving me an accurate image shape, it was close but not perfect especially around the edges, I feel it was squishing 200 into the 180 but perhaps there was something else I could do to fix it. Anyway I recently shot a dance video myself with a ballerina and lots of smoke and mirrors but I edited it as source fisheye in MXK200 format which works on the deo player but nothing else. So I think I'm going to have to give Mistika another go if I want to get it onto youtube. Did you have any issues using Mistika for the K2pro? Thanks Hugh!
I am trying to understand something. So what are the reasons of super high-resolution cameras if most headsets have lower limits? Is it because downscaling still gets a better quality or is it because it is for reframed purposes mostly?
Yes! Capture more details meaning your picture look more real life. GoPro 4K is no where capture to a RED - for that reason. Sensor capture, color rendering and sharpened will all be improved as source resolution is higher
The answer is simple. In VR glasses, only a section of the total resolution is displayed. Example: If VR glasses have a field of view of 90° horizontally and vertically, then the viewer looks at an image of 360°/90°= 1920x965 pixels at 7380x3860 pixels. This is just a TV picture in FullHD horizontally. Therefore, videos for VR glasses should be output at least in 8k and recorded with 12k.
Hello,
I have a question.
I am using Insta360 Titan, but the default carrier it comes with is too heavy to carry around every time.
So, I am looking for a carrier that can hold just the Titan and a tripod, something lightweight and portable.
Do you have any recommended products?
Thank you.
A backpack - I use this one: amzn.to/3QweNU0
@@hughhou Thank you
But what I want is a carrier, not a backpack
Because I have a herniated disc ㅠㅠ
i use Quest 2 to view VR videos. I'm now using Vuze 500USD to take videos, but the video quality is not high 2k x 2k at 30fps at 360 VR video. Should I upgrade to 6k x 6k or 8k x 8k or even 12k x 12k? I'm worried that 12k x 12k may be too high and the high resolution video may not be benefited on Quest 2. Am I right? Or on Quest 2 I can even see the difference of video quality between 6k x 6k vs. 12k x 12k? Thank you. I will be very grateful for your opinion.
8K x 8K is usually the standard.
It would be kool if you guys and rtings met each other. The best vr camera reviewers with the best tv reviewers
I don't know them. Would love an introduction :)
@Hugh Hou it's possibile to record google street view videos with it?
Hi Hugh,I am interested in the Kandao Obsidian. I wrote to the sales department and never received an answer. Also, I have not received any information about the service, how to repair or troubleshoot in the event of a fault of the camera. No response from the company. That doesn't make a good impression. You should mention that. My experience is, cutting-edge technology without service is expensive and unusable, as there are always some problems within the warranty. What about the warranty at Kandao? Do you have more information?
Strange. Try it again - it is Chinese new year so no one work in China. Wait till that is over first. Last week the entire team was in CES. They are a small company. Try again they will response. Also, there is rental now in major city pro rental house - something their support is better.
Can wait to see the Yosemite footage in 3D on the quest 2
Thank you! Me too. Editing Obsidian Pro is pain in the butt lol.
Can you use any SSD or they are proprietary? Any news on the stiching?
Their SSD. Not yet!
Do you have somewhere where I can download these raw files to my Quest 3 headset. I am looking for a camera like this for wedding events and for Co tent creation. Also, for premium content for Apple Vision Pro
My old company kill the server and the files are hugggggeee! Let me figure out a new home so I can house raw footage like this size with affordable pricing.
@@hughhou Thanks
Can we do this (move phone around) w/ the new insta360 one inch?
Yes but not the quality.
Hello Hugh huo, I just buy blackmagic ursa 12k but whenever I shoot I get noisy footage
I’m shooting in prores proxy
When I put my footage in premiere pro and stop the video it’s clean but when I play the video it’s noisy, please any help
You need to run denoiser in Resolve :(
How? I’m using premier pro
do you happen to know where I could rent this?
Wow, wonder when will there be a consumer one in 12K.
For a while :)
I have a M1 Mac. Do you know does it work H265 format?
I am not so sure but pretty sure not as well as ProRes (Apple format). M1X or M1Pro which coming up might be better - but Obsidian Pro right now it is a PC only monster - as it require pretty high specs. I don't think M1 can play 12K resolution.
@@hughhou good to know, thanks 👍
How bad would you feel returning the camera with “sorry we accidentally got it wet”.
💪💪💪
Work Hard Play Hard
#iFeelyou
Haha thank you!
Why 12k recording. The answer is simple. In VR glasses, only a section of the total resolution is displayed (FOV=Field of View. Horizontal: Valve Index 130°, Quest 2 110°. Vertikal approximately 60°). Example: If VR glasses have a field of view of 90° horizontally and vertically, then the viewer looks at an image of 360°/90°= 1920x965 pixels at 8k video playing with 7380x3860 pixels. If you could watch a UHD television picture in glasses, the glasses 3840 would have to be able to output horizontally, which is possible today. For the output video, this means a resolution of approximately 15,360 pixels horizontal. However, there are still no VR players and the internal hardware of the VR glasses cannot process this data. With 8k videos, the output is just a TV picture in FullHD horizontally. Therefore, videos for VR glasses should be output at least in 8k and recorded with 12k.
There is - using fovated render test like the Pimax or using pixel breaking tech like what Beijng Olympics did (8K live with RED V-Raptor) - all have special player tho. I think the player will get adopted hopefully soon by Meta Quest TV.
1:55 Gets magnifying glass out.
Lol!
37.8 c+ 100 F+
Stitching, needs fixing.
Yes. Currently need lots of post-production works in Mistika VR with stereo edge point. As mentioned in the video, Kandao will have their own stitcher that will use depth-map base stitching - so we hope it will get a lot better then.
@@hughhou 👌
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100% Fake, Ursa 12K have never so bad quality. They payed you.
Terrible stitching for such an expense
Yes. But we hope the official stitcher using AI and depth map will be better. Stay tuned!