Psychiatrist Taking Antidepressants Says Withdrawal is NOT Mild or Brief
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This clip is an excerpt from the following full video: • Mark Horowitz, MBBS, P...
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Mark Horowitz is a training psychiatrist and researcher who has a Ph.D. from King’s College London on the neurobiology of depression and the action of antidepressants. He also, for many years, took the drugs he prescribed. When he tried to come off them, he had a quick and sharp education into the world of withdrawal and the lack of knowledge in the medical field about this topic. Since then, he has tried to bring more awareness to the topic of safe de-prescribing of psychotropic drugs through his academic work, including articles published on how to safely taper antidepressants and antipsychotics, and work with the Royal College of Psychiatrists in the UK on developing their guidance for patients stopping antidepressants. He is currently the clinical research fellow on the RADAR trial in London, looking at the effect of gradually tapering people with schizophrenia off their antipsychotics.
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Took me 3 years to get off of the meds I was on for 10 years. I've been mainly symptom free for a year now. I have so much PTSD from what I went through and wouldn't wish it on anyone. All the doctors I saw told me something else was wrong with me and it wasn't withdrawal of these drugs. Shame on these people.
Congratulations for getting off of your drug. Good job.
Same here 😟
Going through it now
10 years off still have side effects I believe they are permanent damage
Can u tell me more about your history? To learn for your expirience
It's torture and frightening. Life on hold.
Effexor withdrawl right now…havent took one in over 4 months…it’s very scary
I personally believe these drugs shouldn’t be given to anyone! I really wish they had never ever been made 😢 they ruin peoples lives !
I agree. They are not "medicines" -- they are potent neurotoxins: poisons. When you take them, you are being poisoned, no more, no less. The drug companies, doctor prescribers and government agencies that approved them should be held criminally accountable.
@ruthie2222 yes I am paralysed from 2 years due to this and I am just 38 i don't want to Live in this pain.
Agree
@ruthie2222 •I would be much happier on skittles and Prosecco possibly not the Prosecco but Skittles long term the food colouring would not have landed me in a coma it’s also not informed consent if your ill they don’t tell you the risks if your sectioned your family are not told by the way ECT might start Epilepsy for me it’s to late but surely there must be a better solution and given more people are becoming mentally unwell ?Two of us at Headway (Brain Damage-Caused two stupid Dr’s mine was awful he had no pharmacist and a typo nearly cost me my life ..Only I don’t quit that easy I intend let him go through hoops of fire 🔥 have his pants lit and need so much loo roll he never recovers ..
Junk drugs given out by overeducated drug dealers who do whatever big pharma tells them to do all so that they can call themselves doctors.
Wirhdrawl is horrible
It’s almost 6 months I came off the antidepressant, (Was on Sertraline 100 mg for 7 years )my life is terrible now I am always down and have fatigue, my mind doesn’t work properly Cognitive dysfunction . Lost my self confidence and motivation in life . Quit my job and tried different type jobs and couldn’t Cary out even simplest one. Have no feelings towards my wife and kids Nothing make me happy and everything in life has become meaningless. I was much better before start taking that Shit !
Please read the book brain energy by chris palmer MD and see his interviews on TH-cam his work is truly life changing in mental health care
I thought I was probably the only one who feels the way that you are feeling😢. how are you doing now have you gotten any better I really really hope and pray that you have.
Finding a support SYSYEM outside of the family can be a game changer. X
Know what you are going through. Terrible. But you will heal
Oh my god I understand. I feel the same. It isn’t livable.
Instead of taking drugs for anxiety and depression we need to start lowering our expectations. Totally agree with this doctor on this video. Benzodiazepines are some of the worst withdrawals. That's why it's best to wean very slowly.
I can't even drive my car in the dark anymore. Like every time I drive I have to let my husband take over because I can't take me anxiety. I end up freaking out and crying and he gets angry at me
@@Nat-sterhe shouldn't be getting angry with you. he needs to be understanding of your condition. you didn't do anything wrong, don't take his tantrums to heart ❤
Okay. So what are we doing to educate the medical system?
What are YOU doing to put an end to medical psychiatry?
THIS HAS TO END.
Ha! Try talking to almost any doctor about this! I prefer to reduce slowly myself and leave them in the dark. I think that’s where they prefer to be anyways after letting the pharmaceutical system control what they do!
Mark is authentic. But I think most of medicine, psychiatry, and pharma is corrupted and have their own narratives. The net result is that too many people are effectively being poisoned by someone well-meaning, but that they trust.
@@catherinewilson1079that's how i came off myself, i didnt trust these people after the cocktail of ever-changing crap they put me on from age 13-19. Risperdal, depakote...for what were really only side effects of the revolving door of ssri's they said would help (they didn't, lol). I was not expecting the anxiety and derealization to be so bad. I'm not sure telling them i was tapering myself off would have made a difference bc I'm sure they would have parroted the two-week lie. I don't think they had any clue. This was in the early 2000s
This channel is grossly underrated.
Omg has withdrawal ever been permanent to people? That is horrific and for those people mercy endings should be available. I already want that for my self. To think I can go years like this is awful and horrific and I have almost two years in. But to be in it for life. No no no! Someone have mercy on us.
Life is so much better even still not completely tapered from 24 years of taking effexor and benzos. Nearly every conceivable side effect suffered can be attributed to the damn drugs. 30 seconds at a time and with the kindness of complete strangers when needed. You need to believe that you can do this because it is not only possible but probable.
Even those who will always have lingering symptoms can have a good quality of life, don’t let the word permanent scare you.
People improve over time.
If nothing else try to get involved in sharing your experience and influence psychiatry. There are organisations out there that can bring you some meaning to your life. Best wishes. I gaze at the sky. It helps, and it is soothing.
I think sometimes people attribute every symptom they have to drug withdrawal. But that's not necessarily the case. You may have issues in the future after you stop medication but it doesn't always mean it's from the drug or from it's withdrawal. You just have to learn what your new normal is after you stop medicine because some of us have been on them for decades and we forget what it's like to not be on them.
@@snowps1 Please refrain from these sorts of statements. They are gaslightiing and very damaging. There's such a vast array of people with different backgrounds bringing up the same symptoms. Of course there will be one or two people who are hypochondriacs but overall this isn't the case here. These changes aren't "a new normal" - they are part of an induced illness of sorts.
i just talked to a psychiatrist this afternoon, im in hell for almost a year now, after they took me off tricyclic antidepressant that i took for 30+ years, brainzaps all day , lost 24 kilos whilst i was eating all the time, cant seem to gain more than the 6 i gained back in a year with even 4 bottles of special calory adding drinks froma dietician...short term memory f*cked up .... and the guy this afternoon? said "not possible, its all in your head" ... HOW is it possible a psychiatrist says this in the age of information to find allover the place ... it makes me intensely sad ...
Im sorry this is happening to you. If you find that knocking on a door goes unanswered, knock on another door. x
Do not go to see a doctor.! Just sit it out and find info online
I’m been on an antidepressant for 2 years to treat anxiety, insomnia, and panic disorder. It worked and I got back to sleep but it slowly made be very irritable, paranoid, and angry over the littlest things. Took me half a year of tapering to get to half the starting dose while still functioning normally. Recently, I took it down to about 25% and the withdrawal was HORRIBLE. Severe nausea, insomnia, panic attacks, restlessness, and extreme moments of terror and sense of doom. Right now, I went back to the half dose and that subsided. Still got a ways to go though. For those in withdrawal, don’t give up! You’re not alone. We feel your pain.
I’m glad that Dr is writing a book. People will listen to psychiatrist. They won’t listen to lay people. If a site, if more psychiatrist will say that withdrawal is severe long lasting maybe some people to healthcare professional actually believe it. It took me five years to get off Lexapro. I’ve been off of it for a year and I’m still recovering. The good news is I am feeling better and better.
Hallo , Can I contact you please please
For those wanting additional info regarding Dr. Horowitz there are several YT presentations available including one presented by Medicating Normal presented a couple of years back with host Nicole Lamberson, Dr. Horowitz, and two additional doctors. Please type in: On being both a patient and a provider. Best wishes to all who have gone through or are currently going through this horrible ordeal.
I was taken off 2 antidepressants one that I had been on for 20 years and one I have been on for three years both in 30 days!! I have exercise intolerance. If I over, exert myself more than 90 minutes, I will be in bed for 3 to 5 days with all of the withdrawal symptoms intensified times 100 it’s hell. My whole life was sports. I had two volunteer jobs teaching disabled skiers. I just got back to work. I don’t know how stress is going to affect me. Thanks to this man he has given me guidance but he can’t give a lot of hope because there isn’t really much once the damage is done.
I know it's not big consolation but just remember that it's not permanent. You will at some point be recovered from this.
You were on them 20 years? You ct off of them?
I have been on 2 for 18 years and have to taper off now. I can barely walk.
time and time again drug after drugs we're told safe and effective and side effects are limited and time after time this is shown to be flat out lies - yet these companies continue on as business as usual and somehow people trust them
Human beings are VERY good at denial.
Yes, supremely good. @@christinebadostain6887
These drugs do no or little good and a lot of damage.
But the medical industrial (and political) complex insists on the opposite.
PSSD is HELL (post drug persistent sexual and non sexual dysfunctions).
Best wishes.
Thats not completely true and I say this as someone who deals with severe withdrawal as noted above. I say it because they have worked miracles on my wife's mental health and she is a success story. Me not so much. I don't think SSRIs and the like should not be banned, but they certainly should be prescribed less and dealing with their sexual side effects and withdrawal need to be better studied. Hopefully one day I can get off mine because it doesn't do anything for what it was prescribed for.
If you are dealing with PSSD I suggest trying Yohimbine which is a supplement. If that doesn't work try asking your doc to get wellbutrin. The former got me back to normal and the latter my wife sex wise.
@@hgbugalou People is incredible, both you and your wife got damaged by medical drugs still defend them.
"Medication spellbinding", search for the term.
I'm drug free since some years and I have not died yet.
Hope you fully recover and get out of "medical" drugs.
Best wishes.
Did your sexual dysfunction worsen after coming off medication?
There needs to be a public enquiry into these drugs and the advice given that they weren't addictive. The withdrawals sound horrific.
44 months off and getting better. What a terrible ordeal. Lost much..
Keep pushing. It does get better. It takes longer than it needs to be. But, it does get better.x
Thank you so much. Most symptoms are gone but terrible depression and DpDR anhedonia waves. How long did you take to heal?
I’ve gone through acute now three times. There are no words. Sun and fasting triggered acute withdrawal after being off the Med. Currently reinstated small amount omg. Still in withdrawal. Sick. Super skinny. Can’t eat sleep total pain on every front.
Never knew this could happen. Doctors zero help. Seems no way out.
This has nothing to do with relapse. I never had any of this. Was prescribed by GP for minor normal crap. Now poisoned and pissed. Heartbroken. For all of us. Pharma created patients for life. Short lives
THANKYOU for this and for for speaking the truth that many of us are living! It is hell to try and get off....😢
I was on anti depressants for about 10 years just got off at benzos after three years, finally seeing some of the benefits, need to get better sleep.
Many thanks for this.
Tapered zoloft too fast 14 years use. 5 months off disabled horrible WD. Feels like injury.
It is an injury. But you’re brain is trying hard to go back to homeostasis 🌹
15 percent is far too high. Professor Ashton recommands 10 percent at the most. I am tapering 7% and have been doing 5% before every 21 days.
I cold turkeyed seroxat after 13 years use 11 years later still have awfull side effects doctor told me it was safe to do so because I was only only on 10 mg at the time shows how much most gps know
@@Jahfriend so sorry
@@sylvieamrhein4463 atleast I'm alive thankyou for replying ❤️👍 GSK never payed anyone out for damages I was part off litigation all denied loads off people with permanent side effects etc
Great job!😊
I am so lucky. I just had two months of absolute hell. But seem to have turned the page. I have never felt physical pain worse than the mental pain I suffered during that time. I have so much more understanding for people with different conditions after feeling that way. The worst part is the inability to fully control how I reacted to people. I have always been an extremely well thought out calm and reasonable person. During that time I had to stay away from people, because I couldn't control what I might say in anger.
The drug companies have so much to answer to.
so glad yours was short-lived, and you're better now!
How long were you on it? Been on 5mg for 20 years and I want ofg
Thank you
Your attention to the issue is appreciated. It is very difficult to express hope or positive emotion in this situatuion, as you know. Thank you. X
Wow I wish I would have heard this years ago
What a lovely man
Relapse = Returning 2 psych meds.
It's so hard to advocate for ourselves when the medical system is not on our side....it has taken me 4 years to taper down to a small dose of effexor but I am healing and slowly recovering. Medication spellbinding is real. We are left to our own devices as we are considered to be the problem and not the neurotoxins they prescribe.
@@dianemorrell9638 That's EXACTLY my point. I just celebr8d my 56th b-day recently (my DOB: 7/20/1967). I was on 30+ different psych meds (starting w/Ritalin @ age 4 in 1971 & ending w/Zyprexa & Depakote--via a 2.5 yr taper--on 12/31/2016) ovr a 44-yr period b4 becoming psych med-free since 1/1/2017. Since then; I was doin' relatively well until I my bird-daughter Chimes (whom I shared w/my x-GF Andrea) passed away 3 months ago. I'm also dealing w/other unresolved issues of being bullied by other people yet somehow, they (mental health personnel) insist that only medication can "treat" me (was diagnosed w/ADHD & Bipolar Disorder --then called Hyperkinesis & Manic-Depression, "respectively"--back in the 1970s). What's even more galling; mental health personnel luv comparing mental health conditions 2 diabetes but insulin's OPTIONAL as treatment 4 diabetes but meds r MANDATORY/REQUIRED 4 mental health conditions. Even if counseling/psychotherapy's available, most wanna pair w/meds. That "1st line" approach' RE: psych meds is so counterproductive as it pertains 2 mental health. Yup, Ms. Morrell; u r definitely SPOT-ON!!!!!
0:51 I've been on antidepressants for 37 years I can't imagine 😮
Thank you both for discussing this. Dr. Horowitz truly has great advice on this subject. I tried my GP's advice to wean myself years ago while on Celexa and it was frightening. He advised too up the dose. Another nightmare. I will say my impatience didn't help but his advice was worse. Started dcreasing Lexapro and I will take my sweet time. The "5" mg to "O" jump is the scariest . I WON'T do that again!! Dr. Horowitz spoke of that in other discussions along with a very valuable graph showing the recommend decline. Sorry to ramble! Thank you PA Lamberson!
2 months into going cold turkey, was on 200mg Sertraline for 20 years. for the first 3 weeks i felt fine, the next 3 weeks i was throwing up everything i ate and drank, the next 3 weeks I felt very very emotional and cried almost everyday. Now I feel like a dead man walking, my body is aching all over and i feel sad and anxious but i'm able to function. In hindisght i would probably have reduced the dosage until i felt i could cope. Would i go back to anti-deps? NEVER!!
Why did u go off them ? And how do u feel now ?
@@hugmc I'm 54 and didn't want to spend the rest of my life being dependent on drugs. I feel OK now I don't feel the need for them. It's been tough though.
@@MUSIC4TRUTH.... thanks for reply 👍
@@MUSIC4TRUTH.... was just asking because I am on the same dose and same tablet 20 years great for my depression but brain fog is killing me 👍
@@hugmc ween yerself of them, it's tough but you'll feel more human and more yerself.
Safe and sound info on coming off...refer to Surviving Antidepressants or the Ashton Manual.
I have so much time for Mark and medicating normal but slightly perturbed that he mentioned the word 'permanent' when we have all been told we will heal and that is what is keeping us going. Every coach, group, forum will say it is temporary. Can medicating normal please advise?
Yes please advise. I’m now 4.2 years out after being on a cocktail of Benzodiazepines, Antidepressants, Opiates, Gabapentin for years. I was doing considerably better “Not Healed” but better & once again got kicked in the balls with a WAVE at 4.2 years out.
I have a feeling I may continue to HEAL however will NEVER be “Normal” ever again. Additionally I have terrible short term memory issues / PTSD from all of this. My one year taper was terrible…I even had akathesia for over a year. I understand I’m now 47 & getting older however this is absolutely ridiculous especially when I compare my current state to that of some of my long term friends.
Sometimes people report persistent symptoms - that they can live with - even after returning to life fully functioning after the worst of withdrawals resolve. There are some folks who say PSSD doesn't go - although we saw someone on Reddit the other day saying at 17 years it's resolving. There are also people who have TD and other movement disorders that report it doesn't resolve. However, unless we follow people for a very long time - beyond 15 years for a minority of long-sufferers - not sure we can say something is permanent (meaning, with someone forever).
@@MedicatingNormal Thank you for your prompt response. Faith is restored. Unfortunately as you know, the withdrawal brain hooks onto anything negative or concerning. I will keep going in pursuit of my old happy self and recovery. Thank you for all you do, it is inspiring and keeps me focused that I will survive this.
@@user-sp3qp2hv3m You're welcome. There are people who are 90% well and living great lives, happy, at peace, functional, back to work. They're not "healed" by way of being 100%, but they're good. Is this permanent? Maybe. Is it way better and living a life? They say yes. Will it all go w/ more time? Its possible!
I've been off off antidepressants 3.3 years. I took them 20 years and I stopped them in 5 days and took sam e 100mg 2 x a day but I also stopped that at 2.7 years. Which is 6 months ago. I'm in a bad wave right now with stomach issues. I' started taking magnesium glycinate today. 50 mg 2 x a day and 50 at night. Anybody else on here that took them 20 years and ct off of them or a very short taper?
I just, yesterday, got a withdrawal "attack" after discontinuing zoloft for 2 days and that was with a taper. I woke up in the middle of the night with unbelievable nausea and every single inch of my body screaming with pain. I literally thought i was going to die. It was HORRIBLE. The doctor told me to immediately get back on the zoloft which I did and the symptoms dissipated. That was AWFUL.
It is horrible yes!
I am in so much distress. Constant anxiety. I can't eat. Overwhelmed with the future. I can't live like this. Went back on 12.5mg Effexor 2 weeks no improvement. Doctor prescribed Prozac too but I don't know if I should start it. I want to heal but my brain is messed up now! Help!
Took me over two months after reinstating to start getting back to more normal. I now take a higher dose than before too and it took me about a month of gradual dose increasing to get to 20mg.. so abour 3 months reinstatinf before i got some peace. It unfortunately takes time. Give ur about 3-4 months if u can
@@ashleyen3 Thank you. I gave up on Effexor, couldn't go back on more than 25mg. I started Prozac, not working yet at 3 weeks 15mg.
I took them 20 years and i stopprd them in 5 days. It was horrible. I took sam e 100 mg for the next 2.7 years and also got off that. Im 3. 3 years off of them. I still struggle, better than before my stomach issues started after getting off the antidepressants. I tried ppis and zofran nause and i felt worse. Anybody else with a similar story?
Ive taken a year to come off 20 year course of clomipramine. I cannot sleep, im losing weight and worst of all i have a tearing sensation in the chest and severe palpitations 80% of the time.
I'm 2 weeks into quitting Cymbalta after being on 60 mg for 4.5 years. Yes I did taper over the course of 3 months. A lot of my side effects have went away, but I go through some serious lows a couple days a week, and the way he described them are spot on. These lows I've never had before, and I have no reason to be depressed anymore in the first place. I just go into a mode where I loathe everything. I raged in the first week, but I'm trying to get better at controlling that. I just feel like these drugs are junk. I hope I get better soon, it is quite discouraging.
Have you had problems with sensitivity to light from computer/smartphone screens, sensitivity to certain sounds and headaches? It's been 6 months since I reduced my dose from 60mg to 30mg and my life is hell, I can't stand any flickering light or computer screen...
No, I fortunately dodged the side effect of headaches for the most part. I've only had two that I can count so far being about three weeks in. From what I can tell everyone has their own response. Sorry I can't be of more help, maybe you can find a good supplement to help you. Good luck. @@RoiPourpre
Peter Breggin has a program for withdraw for psychiatric drugs!
I'm 1 wk into cold turkey withdrawal of Effexor XR 225. Hadn't planned this , but insurance changes & lack of communication from GPs office left me out of pills. I've had some headaches, racing heart (have underlying heart issues) and confusion but nothing terrible. I wonder if its ok to just not take it anymore. I'm not feeling sad, crying, etc like times i tried to stop previously. Any input appreciated. TIA
if anyone needs a tapering coach, please reach out
Shit. Sounds like I could be even more messed up now after years of taking antidepressants at a high dose. Stopped taking them completely 3 days ago and I feel absolutely rotten. Dizzy, sweaty and nauseous. Can't keep my legs still, thing that's the creeping anxiety though.
Im on 5mg escitolopram...how to taper from that...i mean how long will take?
Please do not take Zoloft y’all please I’m going through hell and only stop taking it after 3 days . Please listen to me
For how long did you take zolof?
Are you okay now?
Are the withdrawals milder if you've only been on the meds for a year?
Of course. The shorter you were on medication less likely you are to go through withdrawals and less severe they are if you go through them
Wrongo. I started having panic attacks like ive never had in my life I have gone back to the meds 🙈
Agomelatine has no withdrawal
so it takes going thru this absolute hell to actually start believing patients eh? cry me a river