ATF Bans Smoke Grenades & Flash Bangs - What You Need To Know 👀
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- The ATF has removed the exemptions they previously had on smoke grenades and other devices commonly used by airsoft players and photographers. What does that mean for you? Let's find out 👊🏽
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The ATF needs to ban themselves
Cute comment, pure fantasy
@@billythekid7413it's called sarcasm. I mean we can ban them if we get our shit together. Make Tar and Feathering great again.
@@billythekid7413it is not fantasy. Patriots will see to it.
lmao
Top Kek.
They are looking to find any means to limit what citizens can have for the impending tyranny.
exactly 💯
I knew I should have got mine a couple months ago.
@@blacktoastmcbiscut8650with a bit of applied science, it's easy to make your own.
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Indeed they are treasonist weather aware or not! ignorance is no excuse
Thank you for the video. I am no conspiracy theorist, but banning simunitions, smoke devices and civilian flashbangs indicates that the government doesn’t want civilians to train at ALL. Begs the question, what’s coming?
anybody who’s familiar with history and conspiracies/acts Perpetrated by governments know what’s coming.
Tale as old as time, revelation 3:8-9.
A n t i f a might still get an exemption
Nothing good my dude.
If they ever can Australia
Back country hikers might use smoke as well in an emergency for signaling a helicopter. This is absurd. I’m tired of the government trying to regulate potentially lifesaving products because somebody else used them improperly. They need to learn to ban the action, not the item.
Waiting on the pressure cooker ban.
Also skydivers and parachutists.
@@crashtkethey don’t care about banning bombs because they inherently scare the public. No need to run a psyop public opinion campaign when your job is already done.
Carry it anyways if you really need it
This was absolutely the ATF throwing a fit and tossing the cereal bowl across the room because they didn't get their way with frames/receivers and pistol braces.
yep.... just like when jb pritzker threw a giant temper tantrum after his "fair tax" bill didn't pass. he literally complained on live tv then threatened to fire police, raise taxes, etc right after.. live
No this seems like just another part of their agenda. Can't disarm us? Then they'll limit our ability to train.
@@flawless1up
I found out after looking up smoke grenade laws 2023 that it does in fact obscure line of sight and also makes people need to change their positions. If the British were a problem in 1774, they would most definitely have made a law against the citizenry to keep themselves comfy.
Yep, like a kid with a magnifying glass. Ooh... I'd didn't get that one, but I'll get this one...
@@WolfinWolvesClothing713I'd like one of those wunderwaffe orbital magnifying glass weapons to melt/vaporize the atf
You cannot vote your way out of tyranny....
You can, if your "ballots" are cast by airmail from the rooftops.
They proved this when they blew that rv up in Nashville to destroy the voting machines and ensure they couldn't be audited.
Apparently they all think GOA can sue us out of it. It’s pretty pathetic.
Prep and live your life like a 1984 dissident.
Correct. History proves that you gotta pew yourself free.
Former Army and avid airsoft player here. This has huge impacts on the military simulation airsoft community as well as civilian training groups.
I don't play airsoft or do mil sims, but this was the first thing I thought of.
The only "flash bang" I can think of is what they use in the UK. As for smoke grenades... if enoyla Gaye goes out of business.. I'm sure many of us will make our own smokes
They dont want anyone training. That's what i think.
its honestly stupid easy to make smokes, you can buy all the components at the grocery store/hardware store. The only hard part is creating a fuse. But I'm sure there's an easy solution there, probably super easy now with 3d printers
@@moonashathat will soon after be on the list of things that put your name on a list. "Why does anyone need these chemicals???" "Nobody without a tax stamp needs stump remover" it's coming if this happens
I thought a federal judge told the ATF last month they weren't allowed to make rules anymore... I would also like to point out these are rules not laws
I dont recall ever seeing "ATF" on an election ballot, or in the Constitution.
DOJ isn't even in the Constitution. They have over 115,000 employees with 40 agencies.
You did it was under the tyranny party.
You'll never see a copy of the Constitution in an ATF office, either!
FACT!
Nope, the founding fathers TOTALLY fought a revolution against a tyrant so that the new government could create the ATF. You've gotta trust the science!
How exactly does the Supreme Court allow non elected alphabet soup agencies to make ANY law?
The court allowed it in the Chevron case in 1984. It's looking like the current Supreme Court might overturn the Chevron doctrine soon, though.
@@utah_koidragon7117 Let’s hope but assume they won’t
Because they are part of the problem
SCOTUS doesn't allow it.... we do.
The law was approved by Congress and regulation was always available, they simply exempted the items.
Removing the exemption isn't new law.
The funny thing is, i work at an airsoft field and the ATF in writing told us we can still sell these Enola Gaye Pyro Products (Company which airsoft grenades come from) but under the restriction they are not to leave the airsoft field along with if they do they take it off the field we are liable. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever because it isn't even consistent with the open letter
I am a LEO and can't think of any instance where this stuff was used against law enforcement ( the riots do not count since that was political anyways ). I have told people about the smoke grenades. They actually work for what they are designed for.
Why is the ATF constantly doing things like this that nobody is asking for or worried about? What gives them the right to do so?
Comes from the top dude.
You mean Obama
It’s about control
Diversion
It's the bureaucrat trying to create its own existence
Smoke grenades are easy to make. The only reason they’re trying to ban is cause their about to do something.
Stump remover is about to sell out.
How did you manage to use the correct they're and the wrong they're in the same sentence?
@@oROBBIEo
That, sir, is pure genius at work.
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@@oROBBIEo😂
Since private citizens could buy a ship of war and equip it with cannons in 1783, it’s hard to see how a lowly smoke grenade could,be forbidden.
I looked up the director of the ATF on Wikipedia. He used to be a white-collar crime defense attorney. Must be a great person.
I hope people sue the ATF for this. Flash bangs and smoke bombs should be legal to own.
@jorgejiminez-rk1uu according to George Washington himself, not only should the average person be able to own a tank, they should also be *mandated* - at government expense - to be trained and armed with the same grade of weapons the military uses.
You can own flash bang hulls and stuff like that for a talking piece or to make them crazy.
Trust me, law enforcement and the fire department don't like fake weaponry, they really don't like those things and you can also find out who informs based on home visits.
@@jorgejiminez-rk1uuwhy are you so scared of a tank
@@jorgejiminez-rk1uuIt is lol
@@jorgejiminez-rk1uu Indeed, if the individual cannot be trusted with it, neither can a government.
The sad part is many of these items are legal in the UK, the UK allows 12 gauge blank "grenades" and smokes and yet the "land of the free" does not
This hasn’t been the “land of the free” in my 52 years of experiences.
We aren’t “FREE”. Look at the crushing amount of taxes we pay on nearly everything. America is a “Pay to play country”. The RICHER YOU ARE THE FREER YOU ARE!
Because they don't want people having the same skill sets and equipment that they possess
We haven’t been free since the Woodrow Wilson presidency
Suppressors are also much easier to get over there compared to here.
Good on IWA for holding their ground on this. We need to support these companies and help fight these rulings. Buy whatever you can of things that aren’t banned yet because I guarantee the ATF isn’t done.
Many of their products are only available to purchase from distributors (usually airsoft stores and fields). Many items aren't available to purchase online
3 tablespoons potassium nitrate (saltpeter)
2 tablespoons granulated sugar (sucrose)
Water.
Fireworks fuse (optional)
Waxed paper or aluminum foil.
This prevents the right to establish ''a well-regulated militia''. A well-trained militia.
No it doesn't. We can still make this stuff. They are toothless jackboot cowards if they think their ink on paper is actually going to stop any genuine freedom fighter/Patriot from doing and/or owning what they want.
Like murder being illegal prevents murder ?
Or as used in conversation back in those days... Well supplied and prepared.
@@sa1911a1 No, like training to protect yourself from murder, could prevent your murder.
@@jhutch1470 I guess sarcasm escapes you...
The second amendment was made to be used against law enforcement in the first place.
The ATF is systematically trying to take items off the board that civilians could possibly use to resist in the case of martial law. Even though lots of these are greatly Nerfed, they could still be used.
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They are really doing this arent they? They are dismantling everything that could stand up to them when they do it. I actually feel bad for them. They got no idea...
20 years ago, they came for model rocket motors. It took many years and many tens of thousands of dollars taking it thru the courts, but we won, we beat their a$$.
The atf uses “public safety” to infringe on rights as much as police use “officer safety” to do the same.
Yeah just heeping amounts of manipulation and compulsive oath-breaking.
Screw the blue
We need them for tyrannical law enforcement agencies. Local, state, and Federal!
They need to run my serial# yeah right. But if you are a gun nut cop, lemme pop my trunk and check my goodies. LOL
I'm so glad they are looking out for our safety! I feel Soooo much safer now that these insane devices are off-limits! I would worry about these smoke poppers and other similar devices CONSTANTLY! I hope they ban knives soon also! Those are completely insane also and, they kill people EVERY YEAR! We gotta a lot of things to ban guys before we can truly, begin to feel safe! SAFETY FIRST!
ATF bans Big Macs and french fries for your safety
Months back IWA changed policy requiring customers fill out a form for each purchase. The backlash from the public was essentially warning that this would give the ATF a registry. Now… They’re ruling these illegal/require specific storage and they have a list of who to go to.
This just in the AFT has banned the use of lighters and matches as they now consider them explosives.
Sticks and magnifying Glasses are next.
If these things are not allowed to be sold to civilians then any and all law enforcement should not be allowed to have them or use them!!!!
The risk to public safety is the ATF!
As an ex-munition specialist for the army it will be interesting to see. Pyrotechnic hazard class and full on explosive hazard class are different. Basically they cannot be stored togeather. Pyro like smoke and flares can be stored by themselves or with small arms ammunition. Pyro as mintioned above has a G hazard class and small arms has an S hazard class. Explosives like comp B, C4, or ammunition with actual explosives inside like 120 tank rounds or 10 lb he 2.75 folding fin rockets have hazard class of either D or E. Their are hazards charts out in public view that display this information. Just going off this video I would say IWA is correct pyro and Simms ammunition is not in the same hazard class federally. They can not be shipped or stored togeather. I'm guess the AFT, just wants to halt citizens from training.
The government has no authority to make any laws against arms!
They also don't have the right to manipulate the American people and compulsively break their oath.
And yet they do. Go figure.
Apparently they do
“Government” can’t make laws. Only God can. Mere mortals can’t control or create Natural Law.
@@gifthorse3675not legally
I didn’t want these before, but now I do. Just because they said I can’t!
Same
Thanks for the update.
My undergraduate understanding is that the reaction in explosives is propagated by a pressure wave and the reaction in pyrotechnics is propagated by the heat from the flame itself.
This is VERY similar to 2015 when the ATF banned 40mm IR Parachute Flare rounds, and even attempted to ban practice Chalk rounds, saying they were both "Explosives", and therefore each round required Destructive Device registration. This was because the NFA states devices containing more than 1/4 oz of an "explosive or incendiary charge" is a destructive device. At the time nobody fought back because the world of DD owners was relatively small. I think this will come down to a legal battle of definitions, whether these items are pyrotechnics (which require an FEL [Federal Explosives License] to make/sell, but not privately own), or explosives (which requires an FEL if you sell/transport them, but not own), or destructive devices (which would require a Form 4 transfer AND a FEL to privately own, per the "explosive or incendiary charge" definition). I work in this space so I'm relatively familiar with these laws. Setting up explosive storage magazines can be expensive, needs to be placed specific far distances from certain structures/byways, and is subject to IOI approval inspections, and re-inspections- not feasible for non-businesses. This is yet again just another attempted overreach, by an irrelevant anachronistic agency, that has been politicized for an agenda, not the pursuit of real justice. The 2A is becoming normalized and that scares the hell out of them.
The amateur fireworks crowd has to deal with this too.
And don't forget the "book" to sign and date everything in and out and log what and when got expended! A real PITA
I heard about those chalk rounds the ATF went after, they should never have been allowed to get away with that in the first place, I will bet you it terrified them that they would eventually be popular products. If you think about it, it bothers them that they don't know if people will turn them into explody things, it must bother them so much to think about. People could actually 3d scan and print those things too if they take that ATF rule down.
Good point on the 40mm IR and chalk rounds. I’ve heard about the 1/4oz of explosives, but I’ve also heard that the chalk rounds specifically had something to do with the powder. If I’m not mistaken, power falls under FEL requirements except for when used in the “sporting purposes” manner. With 40mm not being a sporting use exception, ATF said the rounds themselves were DD because of that power use exception, making it subject to FEL and DD requirements.
No idea if that is also true, just something I’ve read about. Trying to find information on what substances and their uses fall into FEL territory has been a wild goose hunt for me.
It was touched on that these smoke and flash bang devices were now being regulated by atf due to their ignition source. Could one legally manufacture smoke devices at home with just a simple cannon fuze and not need a license or permission to do so? I'd really appreciate your insight on this, thanks.
Well, when the gov fears the citizens you have liberty. When the citizens fear the gov you have tyranny.
So if you're a hiker who carry's a smoke generator as signalling for emergency's you're screwed as well.
Good point
Up to ten years in prison
Yeah it's stupid AF - literally life saving equipment that can only be a slight nuisance to the public at worst. How they think they have authority over this as "explosives" is ridiculous
Imagine surviving days or weeks in the bush. You pop your smoke and he spots you instantly. You feel the most relief you've ever felt in your life knowing you'll be seeing your family again, only for you to for a cold metallic object to bind your wrists. An officer slaps you on the wrist and you're off to jail for being such a horrible personal violating public safety.
When I was inspecting powerlines from helicopters, we would do it in some pretty remote parts of the country, like Idaho or Montana, and I would carry 1-2 with me incase we crashed. Among other things.
I am an American patriot, and I refuse to allow myself to be anything less than that, so if the tyrants come let it be known I’d rather live free and die on my feet then never have truly lived at all thank you sir for your helpful news
Thank you Mike, as always, for being the sane adult in the room.
Some of these smoke generating devices are widely used in the plumbing and underground utility industries.
They’re used to detect leaks in underground pipes.
So more red tape, overhead costs and hoops for contractors to jump through.
If they indeed can be used offensively or defensively -- even against law enforcement -- that would make them "arms" according to the controlling SCOTUS definition and thus protected by the 2nd Amendment. Therefore, the right of the People to keep and bear them shall not be infringed (i.e., limited).
My company uses the flash bangs to train people in active shooter scenarios....you had to take a test to even be able to buy them, this is absolutely ridiculous
as a cop, when and where have flashbangs and smoke grenades been used against law enforcement? The ATF's powers to change and create laws on a whim need to seriously be checked.
They are doing this as a pre-crime measure, their goal is control over us and to manipulate things the way they want them to be.
I don't reckon it matters even if they were used against them. That's not a legitimate excuse to arbitrarily ban harmless shit
Apparently they were used in the 2020 'peaceful' riots. The peaceful riots were right at my front door, and I couldn't say if those wonderful peaceful rioters used them or not, but I know for sure they were throwing fireworks at the police. I assumed the flashbangs came from LE.
@@TheAsheybabe89 well I “reckon” you better, the more you let them give false narratives without challenging them will result in them making more laws with the populations consent. The reason the ATF claims these things is because they are making their argument on the basis of public safety which appeals to many people who think the government won’t lie to them, and the more you don’t “reckon” we don’t need to attack their narrative, the more they’ll get away with it. Start giving a shit and speak out against their “facts” instead of trying to look cool and you may be able to actually sway people’s opinion.
Is that because they're getting "smoked" in court?!!!
2:50 - I happen to fall into both groups you mentioned here, and this is the first I'm hearing of it. I'm honestly shocked by this, as "smoke bombs" are used so commonly by videographers, photographers, and cinematographers. I even used them once on my college campus for a video shoot. Crazy to think all of the college kids I worked on that video with would be considered felons now for possessing something so mundane. The ATF is so desperate for a "win," they don't care about the collateral.
You might even be able to get Leftists to side against the ATF on this one.
This is just a reason for them to try and make more people Felons, the lawmakers must stop them.
We need to speak up and talk to our Representatives.
Hahaha…no.
Baby killers will never side with non baby killers on anything.
@@derrickrr5516not true. They pretty often side with us on non-interventionism on the international stage. They also side with us against the "muh thin blue line" bootlicker crowd for the most part, though in their case they just want to replace the blue line with a redline of their own control.
I appreciate all of the info you share with us. Thanks man
Excellent Explanations Sir
“Anything’s a smoke device if you use it wrong enough”
Especially if the device is electrical
As an electrician I can tell you, if you let the magic smoke out the wires it won't work anymore
@@danielconquer909 I was an electrician in the navy and half the battle was preventing others from letting out the magic smoke lol
Man, the ATF just wants to be in everything we have fun with don’t they?
They don't want you to have fun, they don't want you to have freedom, and most of all, they want you to be utterly defenseless in the face of a totalitarian police state!!!
this has nothing to do with fun... this has to do with our ability to defend ourselves from a tyrannical government. They know at some point if the current cultural conflict isnt calmed down, it will turn kinetic... so they are making sure they have the upper hand.
@@dijax7863they can ban what they want. If a conflict turns Kinetic, they will still be grossly out numbered.
Because I seriously just are out to murder us, then abduct us and put us into slavery
@@HarrisonCountyStudionot when they isolate people and then erode access as they have.
People don’t even know their neighbors anymore. People as is, won’t and don’t fight back against tyranny anymore.
If they did they would’ve had their excuse to have a crackdown campaign long ago, that is not without the great effort to create a violent backlash they keep on pushing.
Keep up the work!
Thanks, will do!
They’re not just attacking our ability to fight. But our ability to train to fight.
The ATF must really trust their body armor...
Those in the decision making department couldn’t care less about the folks they’re sending to people’s doors. It’s no skin off their backs…
@@jackjohnson291 yet...
When a criminal organization has nothing better to do.
The whole purpose of airsoft smoke grenades is that they don't have military fuses so they don't fall under those regs. So now a match striker is an explosive device...
Keep up the good work!
This is the run-up to the ATF regulating primers!!!!!
Primers can be reloaded and the compounds used in them can be readily made at home.
@@ryanward8039That’s good to know. Not the point though.
@@ryanward8039
I know, but the places that make primers are regulated with ATF licenses and they would try jailing people over that. Even if it was possible to make your own primers ATF would still try and claim you were manufacturing explosives and need a license, that is why I tell people we need to be more vocal about getting the National Firearms Act taken down. Also over 60 years of Democrat control did not help at all.
@@Landscapeofsolitude Not to mention, 60 years of Democrat control and teaching the public "if you see something, say something" to turn us into a nation of snitches.
Desperately clutching to power even as it's being stripped from the by the courts.
IWA ships after you complete their certification. No federal permit required.
I worked for the owner of IWA INTERNATIONAL BROTHER HAVE MET THE OWNER HIMSELF AND WAS GIFTED SEVER OF THES AND ALL THE PAPER WORK THAT CAME WITH THEM FROM THE ATF SAID THEY ALL WHERE CONSIDERED PIROS AND exempt so that being said they are trying to redefine
How does the ATF have the power to ban NON-alcohol, TOBACCO, or FIREARM related stuff?
They do not, and never have.
Actually. The 2A ONLY covers “arms”. Remember, shall not be infringed is a right for “arms”. If not arms, then no protection from being banned.
They’re the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives…
@@DaveL9170 no.. the 2A clearly says "A well regulated Militia... shall not be infringed". Militia: noun - An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers. We, the People, should be allowed all military style equipment, being necessary to the security of a free state.
Explosives are arms. Think of grenades, or bullets.
I've had self made smoke devices for survival - it's a great signal device that's super cheap and easy to make. Nothing about them is dangerous, and it's absurd to try and say it's a public safety matter to make colored smoke clouds
Banning VAPE, Cloud makers are next.
Literally props and toys. I feel so safe now.
It's great that there are companies like IWA that don't roll over in the face of unconstitutional "rules".
There is nothing that gives them any grounds to ban sim ammo. Not. Lethal.
I wasn’t even thinking about smoke grenades or flash bangs, but now I want them all of a sudden 😂
They might be forensically analyzing us in the comments, trying to get a reaction out of us somehow with what they are doing. I am going to share with you what I have just realized they are trying to do to us as average people, what they are trying to do is possibly regulate smoke grenade parts that hit a primer even though their all just parts and another thing they are trying to do is regulate potassium nitrate used in model "rockets." I have decoded the ATF hive mind. This is what those narcissists are trying to do with their manipulation tactics.
Buy me while you can and stockpile if you play airsoft because it may be a while before they are legal again if ever.
Thank you Sir
When the government says I dont deserve to own somthing. I want to find a way around it even more.
It is interesting to watch a three-letter agency's desperate bid for relevancy. Any bureacracy's highest value and objective is the perpetuation of its own existence.
...and growth
Bottom feeders
Rules aren't laws and they cannot make a law
Doesn’t matter what they call it. Either way, you’re getting swatted at 3am if you don’t follow it.
@@Scientist_Salarian That's why you keep it hot and you keep it close.
@@Scientist_Salarianyep. Pussies like you are why this country is fucked.
The ATF is like a psycho saying, “I’m gonna attack you for this. Oh, I can’t. I’m gonna attack you for this. Oh, I can’t.”
Your neighbors who will rubber-stamp a conviction on any federal indictment (after they themselves vote for the indictment) no matter how asinine says otherwise.
Does the "ATF" do anything with alcohol or tobacco anymore, or are they strictly about ending rights now?
"public safety" translates into "they don't want to be on the receiving end of them when they commit acts of tyranny".
04:13 - Thank you. Finally someone explained this. I keep saying to people the ATF can't make laws and they say oh yes they can.
Their laws are now null unless Congress decides otherwise.
They can make laws. They aren't supposed to, nor should they. But they can. Even if they don't technically make laws, they can still "REVISE" laws to make new ones.
They make regulations, not laws, but in practice there is very little difference.
@@oklahomahank2378They do not have the authority to "make" anything. They are an enforcement agency, not a legislative branch of the government.
It's the same reason your local sheriff cannot just make up laws.
Last i heard ATF cannot make laws think they would have learned that on the pistol braces.
And the 80% lower fiasco
That law on pistol braces never made sense before it got taken down, if you had a pile of 16 inch rifle uppers in one pile, a pile of Short Barreled Rifle uppers in one pile, some stocks for the rifle uppers and ar pistol configuration compliant parts in another pile; they would try getting you with "intent" to build an SBR even if it was not your "intent" to build an SBR. This was just an excuse to abuse their Authority on a massive scale and I am glad people can legally own SBR's now whether they like that fact or not.
@@Landscapeofsolitude SBRs have not been taken off the NFA registry.
Those scumbags will just keep taking losses. Remember ignore EVERYTHING they say. Nothing but a bunch of communist bureaucrats who have no authority over anything.
If you want to store anything, just get the ATF Orange Book. It has all the requirements, then you call your local ATF guy to come out and inspect your magazine, and you are good to go. The usual problem is with the shield / hood over the lock that causes most problems. Steel box with 2" liner of hardwood, and you are good to go.
The good thing is, now you can start buying 1.3 fireworks :)
If the manufacturer is claiming they are fireworks, it makes them either 1.4 or 1.4s. Storage is different, but you can still use the same storage facilities.
ATF has been screwing over us in the airsoft community for several years now. First they banned our Tag rounds (grenade launcher small pryo stuff) and now our EG67s.
This actually kind of concerns me because these are not really explosives. I have 2 thoughts.
1I think this is to try to stop selling powder.
2. This is more conspiracy but could be getting ready to do some fun stuff against civilians
Why else does every administrate agency in the govt have full auto arms, armor and stockpiles of ammo, but other to do something the people would object to.
The authorities abuse their power all the time to prey on people who don't have money to defeat them in Court. Many of these Jurisdictions never even show the evidence they confiscate on people to so their case doesn't get ripped apart. Sometimes they don't even have real evidence and still run people through the system. Tons of people have become victims of the Courts' and the Courts' have blood on their hands.
They need to regulate the ATF's actions even more I see.
They’re trying to set legal precedents. If they can get away with this, they will try to get away with other similar things.
My guess is the ATF doesn’t want people repurposing the fuse stacks for dangerous use.
Trying to claim an igniter is an explosive is absolutely farcical to anyone knows anything about the things at issue here
absolutely
@@Mrgunsngear
I have despised people like the ATF since I was very young, I studied into their laws and the stuff they regulate. I figured if they can find flaws in the people of the United States in Court to make people look Guilty, then we can find and point out flaws in their rules that they are trying to implement. I know they have to be frustrated, but the way they want the world to be just isn't going to work in the real world.
I became so literate and intelligent, that my refined Free Speech irritates their very souls.
People need to become more literate and become word smiths, it's essential for growing your intellect and outdoing tyranny.
Exactly. By this logic all small arms primers fall under “igniter” categories
“These can potentially be used against law enforcement”
Yes. So can many other things. That’s kind of why we own them. Interested to see how IWA international will respond to this. Currently kicking myself for not stocking up a year ago when I told myself I should
A few years after 911, the ATF went after the amateur high powered rocketry community for their rocket motors and igniters. It took that community several years and $$ defeat them in court. But in order to fly, you had to obtain an explosives permit which meant a $200 fee, an extensive background check that included interviews with the ATF and an explosive storage magazine to keep the motors with annual magazine inspections. You were also required to keep an official inventory log of every motor you bought, sold or used at a sanctioned event. In most cases you were denied because the local fire department would not allow(for obvious reasons)an explosives magazine in residential areas where most of us live. When the community finally got their day in court, the ATF quickly lost because they couldn't prove the motors could actually explode.(Which they can't) The photography and airsoft communities might want to look at this case if they want to organize against this latest ATF transgression. There might be some precedent to be utilized.
So you can purchase Shotgun Primers and Percussion caps but these ignition sources are now forbidden. I think the goal is to attack individual components that can be used to self manufacture ammunition and or devices. Remember they are trying very hard to push for background checks and registration of ammunition.
It seems like they want control of chemicals for entire industries, this is not ok. They must know about the premium waterproof hobby fuses people use in model rocketry and fireworks, they must not like it.
It looks like we have found another item we can add to our watchlist collectibles list of items to own.
Honestly, WTF is wrong with these people?!? Do they get off on infringing on people’s freedoms? Seems vindictive in nature.
Yes. That's what tyrants do.
And they don't feel pity, or remorse. And they absolutely will not stop until (we are all) dead!
Read your bible it mentions in multiple places about the sons of the father of lies. Revelation 3:8-9. Then look up who is pro abortion, immigration, gun control, women's rights, create pornography, spread white hate.
I'd love to see how this plays in the courts. The BATFE saying these are now "explosives" (as defined "able or likely to shatter violently or burst apart,"), I'd be looking forward to the court video the BAFTE brings showing one of these blowing apart rather than just smoking...
Under their new definition, the BATFE would be able to regulate BBQ Charcol, wood chips, 2-cycle engines, etc...
The ATF got their moronic brace ban slapped down, so they had to go and do this.
Firecrackers have stronger ignitors than most smoke canisters..
Indeed
Just start buying a shit ton of fireworks. “For a rainy day“
Can’t wait till they ban fireworks
So they pretty much just lurch from one thing to another regardless of whether or not the thing they are "banning" is actually even a problem. What it really comes down to is they want to the limit the individual American as much as possible. If one thing doesn't work, like the braces, they just move on to the next thing. If these airsoft grenades were an actual problem, they wouldn't have been legal for the past, I don't know, forever?
Don't forget they tried banning shoe laces in the early 2000s because of the shoestring machinegun trick
I know of 1 paintball park that has been assured that day of sale and use is still cool.
I guess it's a good thing they can't ban chemistry
Law enforcement is allowed to legally lie to people to install these policies, we should not forget that.
If a person can legally lie, then they can attempt to change the laws to their liking in the name of control, we must not forget that and we should always try to remember these facts.
ATF is never concerned about the Alcohol or the Tobacco
That’s where they make the money
Unless they're collecting taxes
I wish they would go after the Tobacco more, I don't like that disgusting pollution, my dad had to smell that disgusting stuff when he was younger and really disliked it.
The way I have always understood it is if they have a fuse then it's fine. If it has a blasting cap then have to get the proper licensing.
So If the detonation is the problem, there goes your party confetti poppers. It’s essentially the same thing. Especially the twist canister styles, those are pretty impressive to be a confetti popper
ATF will ban firecrackers next
Soon it will be poprocks
By their reasoning (can be used against law enforcement), next up will be screwdrivers, pocket knives, kitchen knives, hatchets, crowbars, tire irons, ALL fireworks, etc etc etc etc.
BTW, LOVE the ending!
Martial arts and street fighting
Thanks.
I can see how flash-bangs can be classified as a low-yield explosive because a lot of them are also concussion grenades... but there is no way in hell you could consider 99.9% of smoke grenades as explosives. Are they going to claim matches and road flares are explosives next? ffs.
Anything to make it easier for _them_ to *oppress YOU* .
How convenient 'I' have not and will never ask for govts. *PERMISSION* to create/own/use such things as I see fit.
Government = Force
Your government is not benevolent.
Compliance=Torment
Compliance=Sorrow
We should not comply, this destroys the health and well being of millions of people to inflate their egocentric habits of wanting to control others.
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As an American Citizen and USMC Veteran, I am not benevolent either.
This is because they are losing their ASSES in court. Keep up the pressure on these criminals that wield this crap like a wand.
You can get smoke bombs at fireworks stans and as for flash grenades fireworks has strobe fireworks so I agree with IWA