6 Elements, 6 years, 6 pillars . . "I wonder if that means anything" . . . .*Points to the numbers* What do you think Tricky lol? Three 6's, where have you seen that before? Okay I am going to play devil's advocate in the case of why Twilight never contacted Celestia or Luna. 1. Twilight has tunnel vision: she was too focused on creating another spell to prove that she was good with magic. When she's like this there's very little chance she'll think of the opportunity contact any of the princesses (Cadence included). 2. Starswirl took charge of the situation. Majority of people there followed him and trusted him to know what to do. This included the part when he required Twilight and Sunburst's assistance. @6:07, uh Tricky you made an error there, that was Meadow Brook, not Sonambula. Plus the Mane 5 played a role in that part too. Honestly, I am not surprised by Twilight's behavior in siding with Starswirl. Much like Celestia, she puts Starswirl on a pedestal; thus, thinking he can do no wrong. Why would she try to go about questioning him when she desires his respect so much? Starlight though isn't like that. As the same in A Royal Problem, she has no issue questioning authority and doesn't have that bias like Twilight does. I agree with you 100% on the flaws of the villain. Definitely the weakest of the show so far. I am thought the origins of the Tree of Harmony was important, especially after the events of S5 premiere. I remember a lot of people asking why does Twilight and Co. follows the whims of the map and why does it know who to send and bla, bla. I myself wondered where the Tree came from after S4 premiere. Being a writer of Fantasy myself I always asks myself origin questions about where certain things come from. And I've always been a fan of the Elements. Anything magic related excites me (my fav animated series is Sailor Moon where magical items are a part of it). Overall you did bring up good points though Tricky. And I am noticing a trend here. You're not the first person to have Kingdom Hearts music playing in the background lol. Others have also. I think Misanthro pony had the same music also for his review. Now as for my opinion of the finale: I liked it, but I didn't love it. My biggest issue is purely subjective. I was not a fan of Twilight here. As I mentioned before, she has tunnel vision. It's actually my least fav thing about her since she's shown to not be perceptive many times in the past and that's a HUGE pet peeve of mine. The fact that she didn't consider the fact that the Pony of Shadows could returned is definitely one of her biggest missteps. It's why I love Starlight so much because she is perceptive for much of the time. All the information given in the episode never bothered me either. I am the kind of person who takes in SO MUCH in quickly. Out of the finales, I rank this 4th. S4 finale is still my fav (and it's my fav episode overall too).
Feel like the finale also took "A Royal Problem" into account when dealing with Twilight and Starlight. You can tell that Twilight admires her superiors way too much to say something bad about them or contradict their direct approach, whereas Starlight is a lot more willing to try a different route because she hasn't grown in an academic environment that teaches admiration and devoutness to a point of blind faith towards your superiors.
Well, I don't really blame the staff for putting three of the legends into one episode. It wasn't started until the second half of the season, works well on its own, and a newcomer who isn't keeping track might not see the connection right away. Also, I get what you mean when you say that it isn't an arc, because there isn't the element of events happening over time other than simple episode sequence. But it would still squeeze within my own definition of an arc. And yes, the quests for the objects could have each had their own episode. And maybe the idea of them as a team could have been established earlier. But I honestly think it works the way it is.
No matter what critics say....this is may be the second best season finale. Because it doesn t only gives us the lore we have been looking for a while....but it isn t about the maane six defeating a monster.....but twilight moral deviation because of meeting her idol....and at the end remembering why she is princess of frienship......she showed why she got her wings and finally surpasses her ultimate idol. My hunger for mlp has increased. This may be the se ond best season of the show......onky topped by the 4.
It feels so forced It's okay I like what it's about but I don't like how they handled it I wish sunburst found the journal then they found the other pillars at the finale the last one was starswirl and over the season we fleshed out the other pillars they each and their moments with their parallels So then finale beat him and it would be a.little better The villain was shy far the worst if the whole series
13:50 But in season one premiere was said that only 5 elements are known. So we can assume that banisment destroy elements of magic. And in season two premiere Celestia said that she and Luna are no longer connected to elements. Plus (and next statement are a bit of headcanon) elements in season four premiere we could see that elements are smoler than they use to be, so they probably suffer some demage after were used for banisment. Also after time "Princess Twilight Sparkle" past some time. And maybe situation with Tree of Harmony not so dire as it was?
You could say that the Pony of Shadows from S4E3 was a fragment, as in a piece of the original that broke of and was looking for a host like Venom in Spider-Man, and bad luck for Luna she was the perfect host. And if you like that theory you could also say the 1000 year and other threats that the mane six face were also fragments, Chrysalis and her changlings were also infected by a fragment making them into love parasite. Again this is a theory, who knows how the writers would work with it, if they ever do. Well, theres my two bits. See yah.
While I don't think "Daring Done" is a good episode, at least it was an entire episode related to Sonambula, instead of a 6 minute short tacked on in a campsite story, like Half of the pillars. That said, I do consider that the reason why the episode didn't try hard to put stakes into place when dealing with the pony of Shadows is becausee we've seen that already, 7 times, and fighting off a superpowered evil villain off to the horizon yet again does eventually get tiring, even if the explosion is bigger, which is why instead they focused on whether or not the "Send them to limbo/ecstasy/the moon/ the human world/ wherever the hell Sombra went" method of dealing with villains is even justified in the first place. Given that Starlight was the turning point of that, in which instead of blasting her good she got the opportunity to become an ally, it does make sense that she would be the voice of reason to constrast a Sorcerer whose approach to defeating the Sirens was "Make them someone else's problem" and Twilight, who has banished villains for sport several times already. That said, the episode does have too mucch on its plate and can't get it all, I don't care for the elements of harmony, they've been largely untouched since S4 ended, I don't care about Luna 3.0's backstory ebcause it's not fleshed out, so while I do consider it a good finale, I see your points and agree to an extent with them. Keep up the good work.
could be. Like I said, compared to most stuff i mentioned that one is mroe of a nitpick and we still can only assume that. So overall i stand by my point that they simply shouldn't have mentioned it^^
Tricky Fox , have to disagree with you here ! In my opinion it creates a very funny connection to our real world and if you haven't noticed Star Swirl actually talks with an old English accent which is used to show that he is from ancient times ! Also old ponish is the pony version of Old English and we already have a pony version of Latin called Pony Latin ! Ps it would be really funny if in a future episode they will make Flash Magnus talk in pony Latin !
It reminded me of latin too somehow. But I think it was more a reference to Old English. In fact, when they're reading it, it sounds a lot like Old English. And Pony Latin was mentioned in an earlier episode. (As opposed to what other kind of Latin? There's no humans around. 'sigh' A simple name for it in a kids show.)
Man was starswirls a jerk... sort of worked for him ‘not knowing the magic of friendship’ like Twilght did. Although, didn’t this espidoe also go against the comics with how the sirens were banished?
And this is exactly why Shadow Play is my least favorite finale. I personally hate pretentious characters like Starswirl. But to be fair, I did like him better when he actually had shown some sympathy towards the Sirens before banishing them as a last resort in the comics.
I see the little things you mention in the last quarter. Those are some confusing plot holes. But I still find the overall effect enjoyable. And I guess head canon can be made for them. The garden scene may not make much sense, but I think that the focus on one flower had caused neglect to build up overtime until it seemed insurmountable. But yeah, any gardener worth her salt would have known better. It kind of reminded me of the story of 'The Secret Garden,' where the garden wasn't dead. Just neglected and overgrown.
I think you got the sacrificing part of the elements wrong ! What they meant by the sacrifice of the elements was that Star Swirl and the other pillars would trap the pony of Shadows in Limbo and would remain there permanently with the elements and Twilight found a way that would send only the elements to Limbo without the pillars being pulled in as well . As for the healing magic line they used it in a different context . Lastly I think what Twilight meant by banishing spell taking a lot of power was a temporary banishing spell because in part 2 they mentioned the legends disappearing again ! Ps, what they meant by the healing magic line was that the elements did not disappear because they didn't use the elements to banish the pony of Shadows , they used it to rescue Stygian and the shadow that took control of him got sucked into the portal on its own . Ps I think you should rematch this episode one more time to fully understand it and you should read more fantasy novels to understand the world of mlp because in fantasy world's logic works differently then in our world without magic !
One annoying way they easily could've avoided ruining the impact of giving up the Elements to the tree would be if they'd decided to harness the Rainbow Power the Mane 6 got in Twilight's Kindom to banish the Pony of Shadows instead. That would've given more wait to the idea they could lose the Elements by it being their LINK to them that they'd lose, or it possibly petrifying the Mane 6 for what the tree could consider an abuse of the powers it gave them. Yeah. Weakening the impact of giving up the Elements in Twilight's Kindom is a bit of a sore spot for me too
Technically speaking the Castlemania Pony of Shadows is more similar to the yellow-eyed thing that pops up in my halloween specials. Only mine has a 3rd eye.
in the castle episode do keep in mind they did not say what that shadow was plus in shadow play he said he talked to the one that gave him the power that took him over but he did not say that it was the only one like that. and I know it maybe a little bit off if another shadow wanted the pillers out of the way the shadow in the past episode could have moved the objects to keep them from coming back it my not be true and it my not be explained but it is one way of looking at it.
I guess the whole narration at the beginning vs the Ponehenge explanation latter kind of stood out. Also how the narration I guess led into the final entry rather than 'being' the final entry.
I wouldn't say there was no reason to care about Stigein. There was the buildup of right vs wrong in banishing his dark self. We just don't get to meet him until the end.
My good and bad of the episode: Bad; 1.Sunburst was completely unneeded. Uncommon bond could have been reworked so one of the main 2 (Twilight and Starlight) found the journal. 2. Between this two parter and uncommon bond they seemed to have stripped Starlight of her academic ability. We have seen her track down spells and dig into books for information before. In this she doesn't help with research at all. 3. Pony of Shadows never really got to be shown as a major threat. 4. Starlight clearly knowing that there was a big risk of them bringing back the Pony of Shadows too and not pointing it out directly. She beat around the bush but never straight out said it. Good: 1. So much lore. Origin of the Tree of Harmony. Why Starswirl and the pillars vanished. And between the pillars stories and knowing that they are all from the same time we can guess Equestria at that time was not really unified fully at that point. 2. New location that brings many questions. Who built the Well of Shade? It seems like it was ancient before Stygian found the Shadow there. Future story possibilities exist here. 3. Brought in 7 more characters who all can be brought back on individual basis for interesting stories. 4. Re mane five actually being useful in a season finale again. They haven't been useful for world saving since Tirek.
Why didn't they just use elements by themselves? There was nothing to indicate that the elements wouldn't be enough. And for that matter why didn't they activate rainbow power? I know it looks silly but it would have been enough to stop bargain sale Sombra.
Hey, if the Pony of Shadows wants to be a Heartless then I'm not complaining. That just means we'll get a traveling 'pony' from another world who wields a magic Key to defeat him. Make it happen Square/Hasbro!
To be fair, it at least makes sense. Considering how long he's been gone and how old he is, he would be on the primeval, black and white mentality. On top of the fact that it's been established that he doesn't know much about friendship and all that jazz. And honestly, I'd have to disagree about the whole Starlight thing. I thought she was perfect for challenging Starswirl. It makes sense that an outsider looking in who has been there, done that to provide an alternate solution. And Twilight always puts authorities she looks up to above anyone. She's shown to do this multiple times. Starlight even said it herself, she would have been banished or something as well if Starswirl was around during the season 5 finale. So.....yeah. I don't really see the problem here.
I see your points about the villain flaws. But I still found the overall effect to be enjoyable. And I think he lost due to his own cockiness, since he was taking his time and trying to boost his own ego, much like Queen Chrysalis. Applegeek noticed the similarity to the Changeling design too, and I noticed the dark horn shape when Twilight was talking to Stigein. Applegeek made some head canon in his review that this might be the same darkness that took hold of the Changelings. But that is only head canon.
Feng Leigh Feng , you know Celestia and Luna found the elements before banishing Discord right ? Also you know that the elements represent the personalities of the mane 6 and the pillars have different elements right ? Lastly the elements developed on their own and the pillars themselves said that they didn't except something like the birth of new elements to occur ! Ps Star Swirl being present during nightmare moon and Discord is not canon because it was shown in the comics and whatever they show is not canon !
While good episode i think the writers should done a better job writing it, rather than two episodes long i think should least been three or four with the pillars and elements of harmony having difficult time defeating them or least give more time for pony of shadows gathre uonhis strength and summon his army of darkness, also rather than being a pony that was posse by darkness i think should been an dark entitny that was from a dark realm that somehow managed to enter equestria. Maybe even team up with sombra with both of them wanted unleash darkness intonthere world and conquer it since ni comics sombra wanted to unleash the umbram, something similar they could done with pony of shadow. Also am i only one confused anout the tree and elements of harmony? I could sworn that starswirl was present when discord and luna were banished when the elements were being used so how could the pillars have created the elements when they were used? I think made more sense that the pillars were the previous element bearers rather than them creating it cause it would made more sense. Did the tree of harmony and the elements just become a full grown magical tree within a few short years after it was planted? Also why is everyhing in thousand year increments? Thousand years ago tirek, thousand years sgo, nightare moon, t thousand years etc. why does everything happen every thousand years? Okay im done now. P.S. I didnt mind his deisgn too much, could been a bit better thought, but didnt mind as much. Im sure be plenty of better versions made by fans since seen much better changelings and umbram designs.
This is honestly the best finale in my honest opinion. This episode itself did what the season 6 finale should of done and show the growth of starlight and it does that in wondrous colors. But I do get iffy how starlight goes straight to say *Maybe he wants to talk* before asking the others who he is first. I am going to assume its a script error itself but that be hard to say when they are looked at first before being animated so I assume it was intential there. Also ya twilight not informing the princesses is stupid itself. But I can buy that twilight would be so happy to see him again that she won't see the consequences. Also Starswirl and starlight I thought it work but ya the final line he said with learning from twilight is pretty off. I wish they change that more. Other than that, I like this episode and season 7 as a whole and its really one of my favorite season that topped 4 in terms of quality.
Good point about the role of Starlight vs Twilight. I hadn't caught that, and I don't really mind. But the wisdom he refers to at the end was probably talking about the new spell and going with her gut to save Stigein. Although Twilight acknowledges Starlight at the end, he should have acknowledged both of them.
I think you missed the point. Unlike with the other villains - like Tirek, Chrysalis or Sombra - the conflict wasn't about *defeating* the Pony of Shadows. The good guy's victory was obvious from the start because of the sheer number of the heroes against a single villain. The conflict was about how they should approach the situation - should they assume he's irredeemable and banish him as fast as they can, or should they try to help him. I thought the difference made this finale much better than the others. While you had many valid points, they feel like nit-picks - try to find an "original villain design there days.
I got the point, i mention it even in this video myself. And concernign nit-picks, don't you hink it's a valid point of criticism to point out that a villain feels copypasted from a previous villain of the same show^^. Anyway, i could discuss all points i made in this video, but to make things short: Most problems of this season finale boil down to a lack of time. They forced too mcuh into 2 episodes and they still manage to waste some time on unecessary scenes.
Thanks for responding! :) It's not that I disagree with you, the episode was far from perfect. Even though I personally like the Pony of Shadow's design, upon closer inspection it does look a lot like Sombra crossed with a changeling... xD Still, after I got over my frustration with (let's be honest here) Twilight's extreme stupidity, I found that I really love this episode. There's just so much enjoyment to have! I know, I know, I'm a sucker for fan-service. Still, getting such a flawless backstory for the Elements of Harmony makes me forgive this episode for almost anything ^^
Heh that writing did its almost the same as the Japanese or Chinese language and those can be tricky there but I can tell and 6 elements and pillars that remind me of the 5 warriors has been vanished but they don't know who's 6th warrior
Seven, there are SEVEN element of harmony, it in the begining of the ep in 26, take a good look at it and tell me I'm wrong, if not then are mind not got question but explode as welll.
Casey Clark , The Canon is expanding now and there are 8 elements in the show ! Starlight is the 7th and spike is the 8th ! Also pay attention to the drawing of the tree in the finale there is a 7th element there !
vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/mlp/images/c/cc/Mane_Six_and_Pillars_in_front_of_Tree_of_Harmony_S7E26.png/revision/latest?cb=20171031134550 No there is not a 7th element slot and Spike and Starlight are NOT elements, Spike got called by the map because of his strong connection to Twilight and because he has a throne, Starlight got called because the Map seems to have some long term plan for her and because she tampered with it and helped repair it. Honestly I am done talking to you, there is only 6 elements. The Toyline once said Cadence was the 7th element:Love, but that has been stated to be non-cannon in ever other media.
Casey Clark , why would spike Have a throne then huh ? Maybe because he is a 7th element ! Also do you know a word that is called prediction ? Lastly I may be wrong about her being the 7th element but I don't think that her repairing it will make her part of the pony Knights of Camelot ! Ps there might be a 7th element that will be revealed in a future season and will make starlight a real member of the new equestrian pillars , and again I'm asking you the question , why does Spike have a throne if he is not an element ? If he's not an element it's stupid for him to have a throne , and also relax it's just a theory that I have from the evidence I have so far ! Ps , why do you collect pony toys , are you a collector or something ?
I am just someone who likes to collect toys not for Resale value but because I just like having toys, I collect comics and manga too. Your theory seems to hold no water as Spike has a throne for a clear reason:The map is sentient and he has helped Twilight so much he gets one, though his is more a booster seat. He doesn't have a full throne because he isn't one, also Starlight was always something the map fixated on and we do not know fully why yet, but her breaking and repairing the map may be a factor for why it calls her now. The tree only has 6 slots and there were only 6 pillars who empowered and planted the magical seed, Stygian is not one so there is no 7th slot and cannot be a 7th element.
Well, they mentioned harming the tree by removing the elements. I don't think they can just take them as often as they want, because the tree needs to recharge and it's only gotten so much time since they put them back in Season 4. And I think they might have put them back offscreen here. Also, when Luna was banished, the elements disappeared. That was only to the moon, so it wasn't permanent. You should seriously check out Applegeek's head canon after his blind reaction. It's interesting. th-cam.com/video/VNKwELSomJE/w-d-xo.html
This is a KEY reason I hate Starlight, all she does is steal things they COULD be doing with Twilight and would have been more interesting if they had done so WITH Twilight, this is the 12th time I know of this happening(I count Mirror magic because she stole Twilight's role and Sunset's role.)
Casey Clark this finale was like a daring dont call back.....twlight was lost by the presence of her idol...and needed starlight to remember her friendship acomplishment.
Which she shouldn't have needed, Tricky said it best that she DIDN'T need to be there. Her arguing with Starswirl over their clashing ideals would have been better and honestly they NEED to have Twi act the way she did because they NEEDED to have Glim-Glam be important in this finale, because she is the new main character and they never want us to forget that. All they do is just put her into stories that should be Twilight stories half the time.
Casey Clark maybe but in the finale i didn t see another fight against a powerfull villian from over 1000 years ago. I saw old twilight learning like in past seasons. Twilight fangirling is too believable to call it a forced insertion of starlight. This may be the one role starlight was needed to be put on. But yeah it could have been handeled better.....but i still think this may be the second or third best season finale.
Sure she could still fangirl, no doubt. But Starlight is lecturing Twilight, telling HER how things should be and that she is basically a hypocrite. She all but says this to Twilight and starts trying to guilt trip her into trying to reform Stygian. This finale was supposed to be a return to form for Twilight where she was important again, yet somehow Starlight ONCE again is behind the overall fixing of the problem, its favoritism pure and simple by the writers. Twilight could have come to the same conclusions on her own by just talking to Spike, or ANY of the other Mane 6, hell even Princess Celestia or Luna or even Discord. The point is Twi could have come to it ON her own and it being Starlight and being the ENTIRE driving force behind Twilight's choice of attempting redemption is wrong. What is Glim-Glam going to get wings next season and be the princess of redemption?
Casey Clark , Actually the whole point of season 7 was to give Starlight more development because she wasn't developed that much in season 6 . Also they already gave us a hint that this was going to be Starlight season in the premiere ! Lastly Starlight will probably play a lesser role in season 8 because Chrysler will have her revenge on her and the mane 6 will have to rescue her !
6 Elements, 6 years, 6 pillars . . "I wonder if that means anything" . . . .*Points to the numbers* What do you think Tricky lol? Three 6's, where have you seen that before?
Okay I am going to play devil's advocate in the case of why Twilight never contacted Celestia or Luna. 1. Twilight has tunnel vision: she was too focused on creating another spell to prove that she was good with magic. When she's like this there's very little chance she'll think of the opportunity contact any of the princesses (Cadence included). 2. Starswirl took charge of the situation. Majority of people there followed him and trusted him to know what to do. This included the part when he required Twilight and Sunburst's assistance.
@6:07, uh Tricky you made an error there, that was Meadow Brook, not Sonambula. Plus the Mane 5 played a role in that part too.
Honestly, I am not surprised by Twilight's behavior in siding with Starswirl. Much like Celestia, she puts Starswirl on a pedestal; thus, thinking he can do no wrong. Why would she try to go about questioning him when she desires his respect so much? Starlight though isn't like that. As the same in A Royal Problem, she has no issue questioning authority and doesn't have that bias like Twilight does.
I agree with you 100% on the flaws of the villain. Definitely the weakest of the show so far.
I am thought the origins of the Tree of Harmony was important, especially after the events of S5 premiere. I remember a lot of people asking why does Twilight and Co. follows the whims of the map and why does it know who to send and bla, bla. I myself wondered where the Tree came from after S4 premiere. Being a writer of Fantasy myself I always asks myself origin questions about where certain things come from. And I've always been a fan of the Elements. Anything magic related excites me (my fav animated series is Sailor Moon where magical items are a part of it).
Overall you did bring up good points though Tricky. And I am noticing a trend here. You're not the first person to have Kingdom Hearts music playing in the background lol. Others have also. I think Misanthro pony had the same music also for his review.
Now as for my opinion of the finale: I liked it, but I didn't love it. My biggest issue is purely subjective. I was not a fan of Twilight here. As I mentioned before, she has tunnel vision. It's actually my least fav thing about her since she's shown to not be perceptive many times in the past and that's a HUGE pet peeve of mine. The fact that she didn't consider the fact that the Pony of Shadows could returned is definitely one of her biggest missteps. It's why I love Starlight so much because she is perceptive for much of the time. All the information given in the episode never bothered me either. I am the kind of person who takes in SO MUCH in quickly. Out of the finales, I rank this 4th. S4 finale is still my fav (and it's my fav episode overall too).
oh I get it now
Lol get what? I said a lot there.
Feel like the finale also took "A Royal Problem" into account when dealing with Twilight and Starlight.
You can tell that Twilight admires her superiors way too much to say something bad about them or contradict their direct approach, whereas Starlight is a lot more willing to try a different route because she hasn't grown in an academic environment that teaches admiration and devoutness to a point of blind faith towards your superiors.
I am glad I am not the only one to think that while watching this review.
I didn't think about it at all xD
Also, did you see the Kingdom Hearts logo in the episode? I did!
tweeted about it while i was working on the video^^
Tricky Fox
:) I wonder if this means that Equestria might be included in KH3...?
probably not unless Disney buys the MLP brand XD or maybe if Square buys the game license^^
I haven't seen it, where is it?
Zodia195
On the cover of one of Twilight's books.
Well, I don't really blame the staff for putting three of the legends into one episode. It wasn't started until the second half of the season, works well on its own, and a newcomer who isn't keeping track might not see the connection right away. Also, I get what you mean when you say that it isn't an arc, because there isn't the element of events happening over time other than simple episode sequence. But it would still squeeze within my own definition of an arc. And yes, the quests for the objects could have each had their own episode. And maybe the idea of them as a team could have been established earlier. But I honestly think it works the way it is.
No matter what critics say....this is may be the second best season finale. Because it doesn t only gives us the lore we have been looking for a while....but it isn t about the maane six defeating a monster.....but twilight moral deviation because of meeting her idol....and at the end remembering why she is princess of frienship......she showed why she got her wings and finally surpasses her ultimate idol. My hunger for mlp has increased. This may be the se ond best season of the show......onky topped by the 4.
It feels so forced
It's okay
I like what it's about but I don't like how they handled it
I wish sunburst found the journal then they found the other pillars at the finale the last one was starswirl and over the season we fleshed out the other pillars they each and their moments with their parallels
So then finale beat him and it would be a.little better
The villain was shy far the worst if the whole series
"Having two Alicorns might have been helpful" when said Alicorns plus one more were defeated instantly by a handicapped unicorn.
Let's be honest here. Everyone was nerfed in that movie, not just the Princesses.
I could have sworn I made this comment into another comment section. I think it was an MLP movie review. So, why is it here? Weird.
13:50 But in season one premiere was said that only 5 elements are known. So we can assume that banisment destroy elements of magic. And in season two premiere Celestia said that she and Luna are no longer connected to elements. Plus (and next statement are a bit of headcanon) elements in season four premiere we could see that elements are smoler than they use to be, so they probably suffer some demage after were used for banisment. Also after time "Princess Twilight Sparkle" past some time. And maybe situation with Tree of Harmony not so dire as it was?
You could say that the Pony of Shadows from S4E3 was a fragment, as in a piece of the original that broke of and was looking for a host like Venom in Spider-Man, and bad luck for Luna she was the perfect host. And if you like that theory you could also say the 1000 year and other threats that the mane six face were also fragments, Chrysalis and her changlings were also infected by a fragment making them into love parasite. Again this is a theory, who knows how the writers would work with it, if they ever do.
Well, theres my two bits. See yah.
6:10 error in the script. It was Meadowbrook who convinced Star Swirl to give Twi's spell a chance, not Somnambula
While I don't think "Daring Done" is a good episode, at least it was an entire episode related to Sonambula, instead of a 6 minute short tacked on in a campsite story, like Half of the pillars.
That said, I do consider that the reason why the episode didn't try hard to put stakes into place when dealing with the pony of Shadows is becausee we've seen that already, 7 times, and fighting off a superpowered evil villain off to the horizon yet again does eventually get tiring, even if the explosion is bigger, which is why instead they focused on whether or not the "Send them to limbo/ecstasy/the moon/ the human world/ wherever the hell Sombra went" method of dealing with villains is even justified in the first place. Given that Starlight was the turning point of that, in which instead of blasting her good she got the opportunity to become an ally, it does make sense that she would be the voice of reason to constrast a Sorcerer whose approach to defeating the Sirens was "Make them someone else's problem" and Twilight, who has banished villains for sport several times already.
That said, the episode does have too mucch on its plate and can't get it all, I don't care for the elements of harmony, they've been largely untouched since S4 ended, I don't care about Luna 3.0's backstory ebcause it's not fleshed out, so while I do consider it a good finale, I see your points and agree to an extent with them.
Keep up the good work.
6:10 That was Meadowbrook, not Sonmabula who advised Starswirl to reconsider.
"Didn't Celestia use a banishment spell to send Luna to the moon?"
Weren't the balls inert?
I would assume Old Ponish would be something like Latin in the Middle Ages. He didn't speak it regularly himself but used it at times as an academic.
could be. Like I said, compared to most stuff i mentioned that one is mroe of a nitpick and we still can only assume that. So overall i stand by my point that they simply shouldn't have mentioned it^^
Tricky Fox , have to disagree with you here ! In my opinion it creates a very funny connection to our real world and if you haven't noticed Star Swirl actually talks with an old English accent which is used to show that he is from ancient times ! Also old ponish is the pony version of Old English and we already have a pony version of Latin called Pony Latin ! Ps it would be really funny if in a future episode they will make Flash Magnus talk in pony Latin !
It reminded me of latin too somehow. But I think it was more a reference to Old English. In fact, when they're reading it, it sounds a lot like Old English. And Pony Latin was mentioned in an earlier episode. (As opposed to what other kind of Latin? There's no humans around. 'sigh' A simple name for it in a kids show.)
Connor Thompson , you are right ! It is a reference to Old English !
Yep. I hadn't read your comment when I left mine. And hadn't even gotten to that part in the review either. Oops if there was any confusion.
Man was starswirls a jerk... sort of worked for him ‘not knowing the magic of friendship’ like Twilght did.
Although, didn’t this espidoe also go against the comics with how the sirens were banished?
And this is exactly why Shadow Play is my least favorite finale.
I personally hate pretentious characters like Starswirl. But to be fair, I did like him better when he actually had shown some sympathy towards the Sirens before banishing them as a last resort in the comics.
There's a difference between not understanding it at all and not understanding it much.
I see the little things you mention in the last quarter. Those are some confusing plot holes. But I still find the overall effect enjoyable. And I guess head canon can be made for them. The garden scene may not make much sense, but I think that the focus on one flower had caused neglect to build up overtime until it seemed insurmountable. But yeah, any gardener worth her salt would have known better. It kind of reminded me of the story of 'The Secret Garden,' where the garden wasn't dead. Just neglected and overgrown.
So what do you think is better Tricky Fox? Shadow Play or the movie
I think you got the sacrificing part of the elements wrong ! What they meant by the sacrifice of the elements was that Star Swirl and the other pillars would trap the pony of Shadows in Limbo and would remain there permanently with the elements and Twilight found a way that would send only the elements to Limbo without the pillars being pulled in as well . As for the healing magic line they used it in a different context . Lastly I think what Twilight meant by banishing spell taking a lot of power was a temporary banishing spell because in part 2 they mentioned the legends disappearing again ! Ps, what they meant by the healing magic line was that the elements did not disappear because they didn't use the elements to banish the pony of Shadows , they used it to rescue Stygian and the shadow that took control of him got sucked into the portal on its own . Ps I think you should rematch this episode one more time to fully understand it and you should read more fantasy novels to understand the world of mlp because in fantasy world's logic works differently then in our world without magic !
Love the background music selection. I like to listen to Sacred Moon for just about everything from reading, to writing, to just simply working.
7:23 to be honest, I don’t think Hasbro could afford Patrick Stewart😂
One annoying way they easily could've avoided ruining the impact of giving up the Elements to the tree would be if they'd decided to harness the Rainbow Power the Mane 6 got in Twilight's Kindom to banish the Pony of Shadows instead.
That would've given more wait to the idea they could lose the Elements by it being their LINK to them that they'd lose, or it possibly petrifying the Mane 6 for what the tree could consider an abuse of the powers it gave them.
Yeah. Weakening the impact of giving up the Elements in Twilight's Kindom is a bit of a sore spot for me too
Technically speaking the Castlemania Pony of Shadows is more similar to the yellow-eyed thing that pops up in my halloween specials. Only mine has a 3rd eye.
in the castle episode do keep in mind they did not say what that shadow was plus in shadow play he said he talked to the one that gave him the power that took him over but he did not say that it was the only one like that. and I know it maybe a little bit off if another shadow wanted the pillers out of the way the shadow in the past episode could have moved the objects to keep them from coming back it my not be true and it my not be explained but it is one way of looking at it.
I guess the whole narration at the beginning vs the Ponehenge explanation latter kind of stood out. Also how the narration I guess led into the final entry rather than 'being' the final entry.
I wouldn't say there was no reason to care about Stigein. There was the buildup of right vs wrong in banishing his dark self. We just don't get to meet him until the end.
Aaaaaah I’ve been waiting for this review! :3
If IDW adds another line of comic that I have to track down and know exists I may just give up on the endeavour of reading them
Yes it does Tricky Fox, it took 6 Years, 6 Elements, 6 Pillars, 666, the mark of the beast.
i love the season finale and i am still looking forward to season 8.
My good and bad of the episode:
Bad; 1.Sunburst was completely unneeded. Uncommon bond could have been reworked so one of the main 2 (Twilight and Starlight) found the journal.
2. Between this two parter and uncommon bond they seemed to have stripped Starlight of her academic ability. We have seen her track down spells and dig into books for information before. In this she doesn't help with research at all.
3. Pony of Shadows never really got to be shown as a major threat.
4. Starlight clearly knowing that there was a big risk of them bringing back the Pony of Shadows too and not pointing it out directly. She beat around the bush but never straight out said it.
Good:
1. So much lore. Origin of the Tree of Harmony. Why Starswirl and the pillars vanished. And between the pillars stories and knowing that they are all from the same time we can guess Equestria at that time was not really unified fully at that point.
2. New location that brings many questions. Who built the Well of Shade? It seems like it was ancient before Stygian found the Shadow there. Future story possibilities exist here.
3. Brought in 7 more characters who all can be brought back on individual basis for interesting stories.
4. Re mane five actually being useful in a season finale again. They haven't been useful for world saving since Tirek.
Why didn't they just use elements by themselves? There was nothing to indicate that the elements wouldn't be enough. And for that matter why didn't they activate rainbow power? I know it looks silly but it would have been enough to stop bargain sale Sombra.
*666?*
Lucifer: “It’s demon time.”
Hey, if the Pony of Shadows wants to be a Heartless then I'm not complaining. That just means we'll get a traveling 'pony' from another world who wields a magic Key to defeat him. Make it happen Square/Hasbro!
6:04 - Meadowbrook* not Sonambula X3
You just had to put in the beast in revelation reference didn't you?
Remember castle Mane-ia? It talked about a shadow pony, MEGA FORSHADOWING!
When Starswirl was talking about how a "once a villain always a villain" I was thinking he should say that to Luna.
like i said, they turned him into a starwman in that regard :|
To be fair, it at least makes sense. Considering how long he's been gone and how old he is, he would be on the primeval, black and white mentality. On top of the fact that it's been established that he doesn't know much about friendship and all that jazz.
And honestly, I'd have to disagree about the whole Starlight thing. I thought she was perfect for challenging Starswirl. It makes sense that an outsider looking in who has been there, done that to provide an alternate solution. And Twilight always puts authorities she looks up to above anyone. She's shown to do this multiple times. Starlight even said it herself, she would have been banished or something as well if Starswirl was around during the season 5 finale. So.....yeah. I don't really see the problem here.
@The Animated Freak Scorpan was around Starswirl's time and he was a former villain.
What???? Pony of Shadows is absolutely amazing! One of my favorite Villains in the mlp series!
He's really not.
I thought Starlight's perspective came more from her own redemption. But I see your point.
I see your points about the villain flaws. But I still found the overall effect to be enjoyable. And I think he lost due to his own cockiness, since he was taking his time and trying to boost his own ego, much like Queen Chrysalis. Applegeek noticed the similarity to the Changeling design too, and I noticed the dark horn shape when Twilight was talking to Stigein. Applegeek made some head canon in his review that this might be the same darkness that took hold of the Changelings. But that is only head canon.
Feng Leigh Feng , you know Celestia and Luna found the elements before banishing Discord right ? Also you know that the elements represent the personalities of the mane 6 and the pillars have different elements right ? Lastly the elements developed on their own and the pillars themselves said that they didn't except something like the birth of new elements to occur ! Ps Star Swirl being present during nightmare moon and Discord is not canon because it was shown in the comics and whatever they show is not canon !
While good episode i think the writers should done a better job writing it, rather than two episodes long i think should least been three or four with the pillars and elements of harmony having difficult time defeating them or least give more time for pony of shadows gathre uonhis strength and summon his army of darkness, also rather than being a pony that was posse by darkness i think should been an dark entitny that was from a dark realm that somehow managed to enter equestria. Maybe even team up with sombra with both of them wanted unleash darkness intonthere world and conquer it since ni comics sombra wanted to unleash the umbram, something similar they could done with pony of shadow. Also am i only one confused anout the tree and elements of harmony? I could sworn that starswirl was present when discord and luna were banished when the elements were being used so how could the pillars have created the elements when they were used? I think made more sense that the pillars were the previous element bearers rather than them creating it cause it would made more sense. Did the tree of harmony and the elements just become a full grown magical tree within a few short years after it was planted? Also why is everyhing in thousand year increments? Thousand years ago tirek, thousand years sgo, nightare moon, t thousand years etc. why does everything happen every thousand years? Okay im done now.
P.S. I didnt mind his deisgn too much, could been a bit better thought, but didnt mind as much. Im sure be plenty of better versions made by fans since seen much better changelings and umbram designs.
This is honestly the best finale in my honest opinion. This episode itself did what the season 6 finale should of done and show the growth of starlight and it does that in wondrous colors. But I do get iffy how starlight goes straight to say *Maybe he wants to talk* before asking the others who he is first. I am going to assume its a script error itself but that be hard to say when they are looked at first before being animated so I assume it was intential there. Also ya twilight not informing the princesses is stupid itself. But I can buy that twilight would be so happy to see him again that she won't see the consequences. Also Starswirl and starlight I thought it work but ya the final line he said with learning from twilight is pretty off. I wish they change that more. Other than that, I like this episode and season 7 as a whole and its really one of my favorite season that topped 4 in terms of quality.
Mage Meadow Brooke not Somnambula was the one to point out the spell could work you silly fox.
small slip up on my part.
but hey, according to season 6 Mage Medowbrook is an eastern unicorn :P
It's all good we all goof from time to time ^_^
That's one plot hole I hope they cover later on.
You made another goof Tricky lol. Meadow Brook was first mention in S5 lol.
Maybe the Pony of Shadows caused some havoc in his own time. But yes, we don't get to see that, so it saps his intimidation.
well yeah he probably does. You just have to read the comics for that^^
Indeed. I haven't. And you're right that I shouldn't have to. If you covered that in your review, I guess I forgot that. My bad.
8:20 It could be Lord Tirek with those yellow eyes...
That's a rather popular theory. But just saying, if it wasn't for that one stinger everyone would have forgotten about the pony of shadows by now
You know tricky fox should read the my little pony Disney chronicles series on fimfiction, it has kingdom hearts vibes in it.
Good point about the role of Starlight vs Twilight. I hadn't caught that, and I don't really mind. But the wisdom he refers to at the end was probably talking about the new spell and going with her gut to save Stigein. Although Twilight acknowledges Starlight at the end, he should have acknowledged both of them.
I think you missed the point. Unlike with the other villains - like Tirek, Chrysalis or Sombra - the conflict wasn't about *defeating* the Pony of Shadows. The good guy's victory was obvious from the start because of the sheer number of the heroes against a single villain. The conflict was about how they should approach the situation - should they assume he's irredeemable and banish him as fast as they can, or should they try to help him. I thought the difference made this finale much better than the others. While you had many valid points, they feel like nit-picks - try to find an "original villain design there days.
I got the point, i mention it even in this video myself. And concernign nit-picks, don't you hink it's a valid point of criticism to point out that a villain feels copypasted from a previous villain of the same show^^. Anyway, i could discuss all points i made in this video, but to make things short: Most problems of this season finale boil down to a lack of time. They forced too mcuh into 2 episodes and they still manage to waste some time on unecessary scenes.
Thanks for responding! :) It's not that I disagree with you, the episode was far from perfect. Even though I personally like the Pony of Shadow's design, upon closer inspection it does look a lot like Sombra crossed with a changeling... xD Still, after I got over my frustration with (let's be honest here) Twilight's extreme stupidity, I found that I really love this episode. There's just so much enjoyment to have! I know, I know, I'm a sucker for fan-service. Still, getting such a flawless backstory for the Elements of Harmony makes me forgive this episode for almost anything ^^
@BlueTeller It wasn't made clear to us how far Stygian has fallen, so the whole "Can he be saved?" conflict didn't work.
Good points, I would have loved to see more of the shadow pony. However, his design looked cliche and yes something from kingdom hearts.
Kingdom hearts in my little pony friendship is magic give me a hell yeah
Heh that writing did its almost the same as the Japanese or Chinese language and those can be tricky there but I can tell and 6 elements and pillars that remind me of the 5 warriors has been vanished but they don't know who's 6th warrior
Three sixes hmm oh no a school was summoned
Don't take this seriously
Seven, there are SEVEN element of harmony, it in the begining of the ep in 26, take a good look at it and tell me I'm wrong, if not then are mind not got question but explode as welll.
They say 6 throughout the series, there are ONLY 6 elements go back to episode 1 of S1.
Casey Clark , The Canon is expanding now and there are 8 elements in the show ! Starlight is the 7th and spike is the 8th ! Also pay attention to the drawing of the tree in the finale there is a 7th element there !
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No there is not a 7th element slot and Spike and Starlight are NOT elements, Spike got called by the map because of his strong connection to Twilight and because he has a throne, Starlight got called because the Map seems to have some long term plan for her and because she tampered with it and helped repair it. Honestly I am done talking to you, there is only 6 elements.
The Toyline once said Cadence was the 7th element:Love, but that has been stated to be non-cannon in ever other media.
Casey Clark , why would spike Have a throne then huh ? Maybe because he is a 7th element ! Also do you know a word that is called prediction ? Lastly I may be wrong about her being the 7th element but I don't think that her repairing it will make her part of the pony Knights of Camelot ! Ps there might be a 7th element that will be revealed in a future season and will make starlight a real member of the new equestrian pillars , and again I'm asking you the question , why does Spike have a throne if he is not an element ? If he's not an element it's stupid for him to have a throne , and also relax it's just a theory that I have from the evidence I have so far ! Ps , why do you collect pony toys , are you a collector or something ?
I am just someone who likes to collect toys not for Resale value but because I just like having toys, I collect comics and manga too.
Your theory seems to hold no water as Spike has a throne for a clear reason:The map is sentient and he has helped Twilight so much he gets one, though his is more a booster seat. He doesn't have a full throne because he isn't one, also Starlight was always something the map fixated on and we do not know fully why yet, but her breaking and repairing the map may be a factor for why it calls her now.
The tree only has 6 slots and there were only 6 pillars who empowered and planted the magical seed, Stygian is not one so there is no 7th slot and cannot be a 7th element.
Yeah but you got to admit it’s twilight she thinks that he can do no wrong so obviously she thinks he’s correct
You are kingdom hearts fan my inner fan boy is screaming right
Nah! we can stil argue EQG isn't canon .
came cause of the KH reference in the thumbnail
well I hope you enjoyed the video XD
Tricky Fox yes, very much so
Well, they mentioned harming the tree by removing the elements. I don't think they can just take them as often as they want, because the tree needs to recharge and it's only gotten so much time since they put them back in Season 4. And I think they might have put them back offscreen here. Also, when Luna was banished, the elements disappeared. That was only to the moon, so it wasn't permanent. You should seriously check out Applegeek's head canon after his blind reaction. It's interesting. th-cam.com/video/VNKwELSomJE/w-d-xo.html
Love your o c
Interesting, just like the majority of your videos.
KH
This is a KEY reason I hate Starlight, all she does is steal things they COULD be doing with Twilight and would have been more interesting if they had done so WITH Twilight, this is the 12th time I know of this happening(I count Mirror magic because she stole Twilight's role and Sunset's role.)
Casey Clark this finale was like a daring dont call back.....twlight was lost by the presence of her idol...and needed starlight to remember her friendship acomplishment.
Which she shouldn't have needed, Tricky said it best that she DIDN'T need to be there. Her arguing with Starswirl over their clashing ideals would have been better and honestly they NEED to have Twi act the way she did because they NEEDED to have Glim-Glam be important in this finale, because she is the new main character and they never want us to forget that. All they do is just put her into stories that should be Twilight stories half the time.
Casey Clark maybe but in the finale i didn t see another fight against a powerfull villian from over 1000 years ago. I saw old twilight learning like in past seasons. Twilight fangirling is too believable to call it a forced insertion of starlight. This may be the one role starlight was needed to be put on. But yeah it could have been handeled better.....but i still think this may be the second or third best season finale.
Sure she could still fangirl, no doubt. But Starlight is lecturing Twilight, telling HER how things should be and that she is basically a hypocrite. She all but says this to Twilight and starts trying to guilt trip her into trying to reform Stygian. This finale was supposed to be a return to form for Twilight where she was important again, yet somehow Starlight ONCE again is behind the overall fixing of the problem, its favoritism pure and simple by the writers. Twilight could have come to the same conclusions on her own by just talking to Spike, or ANY of the other Mane 6, hell even Princess Celestia or Luna or even Discord. The point is Twi could have come to it ON her own and it being Starlight and being the ENTIRE driving force behind Twilight's choice of attempting redemption is wrong.
What is Glim-Glam going to get wings next season and be the princess of redemption?
Casey Clark , Actually the whole point of season 7 was to give Starlight more development because she wasn't developed that much in season 6 . Also they already gave us a hint that this was going to be Starlight season in the premiere ! Lastly Starlight will probably play a lesser role in season 8 because Chrysler will have her revenge on her and the mane 6 will have to rescue her !