*looks at kashtira, coloSUS, vfd, new darkworlds, drytron's showing in master duel and every deck cheesing synchro ib* Gee, what makes you say that? Was it the fact that litch exists?
@@ASoldierify*players see card that is just fine and not broken* Complete dogshit. It doesn't let me SS 10 million times or make my opponent miserable.
@@monkey_bluYeah but just because something is not broken does not mean it is good or fun. We don’t want to regress yogioh back to the old days of stall and attack gating until someone draws the out we just want them to stop with the intentional power creeping for greed.
@@ASoldierifyback then combo decks were the problem, i mean they dedicated the entire line of support to defeating these, DRNM, Nib and Shifter. I think shifter wasn't even the most played at the start, but i could see it coming.
Kash would unironically be tolerable if not for Shifter. They'd just be another combo deck that loses to the die roll along with every handtrap and boardbreaker under the sun like Drytron. It's the fact that basically it's just Drytron with a handtrap that reads neither player can SS monsters except machines and rituals that's the issue.
@ASoldierify nib and dark ruler made the biggest waves when the tin promos were announced. But people talked about shifter, it was one of those "matter of time" scenarios until the game got power crept enough that it would see play in good decks. Honestly seeing that card on release was a real wake up call to how absurdly broken the game had become.
Yeah idk how people play this game fir multiple years, I come and go so often the guys at my locals get surprised when they see me, I really only play in healthy formats where I can play something rogue or tier 2 and not go x-5 at locals, I got a wife a kid and bills I don't have $500 to drop on a meta build just for it to get hit on the list in a no less than a few months
To me, the game can be very very frustrating to play, but sometimes you have a game that is so good and interactive it surpasses the fun I have in any other TCG
@@vanesslifeygo Or, you know, we could have a game that’s been balanced and designed properly so we don’t have to suffer through annoying uninteractive cards just so we can reap the benefits of those cards against even more bullshit strategies
As soon as that second Shifter dropped I'd put my hand back on the deck, pack all of my things and leave the store without a single word. Get home, pull out the paper shredder and spend the evening feeding it my entire collection.
Did you know that there are Yugioh players, who played throughout the entirety of Kashtiras reign of terror, regardless wether they played Kashtira or other decks, and when you tell them that Shifter should be banned, and they (unironically) go: “No, its fine, lets put it to 2 and see what happens.”
@@SpainLordyeah but at least I can feel like I’m doing anything when I can bystial a tear. If I run into Arise-Heart with any deck that needs the gy well looks like I’m unable to play
@@SpainLord I to be fakr, Tears will always remain an unjust comparison, only with Ishizu cards have they reached their unmatched powerlevel. Kashtira is already a very strong deck, with a good engine and big pay off, but being able to play a handtrap that FTK’s 90% of the meta is just absurd. I would give Kash 3 unicorns and Arisehearts if it meant shifter would go. Its a terribly designed card.
My impressions is that people at the locals themselves are just terrible people. It would be easy for someone that knows what they're doing to have restraint and go easy on new kids, but what they usually do is their full combo as if it's the final game of the tournament.
@@animegx45 cause they spent 500$ for their tier 1 deck and they have to sweat and expose to you their full 1 card combo 8 negates + handtrap otherwise they cry under a table XD
It’s always fun when they put their earphones in and say “I’ll activate pressure planet.” Then even though I haven’t played him yet he proceeds to lock off my two pendulum zones because he saw what I was playing. Yippee! Yugioh.
I can’t speak for everyone. But as a resident “piece of shit kashtira player” I go for pendulum zones first just because. Like I lock spell zones first and I just choose pend zones on the off chance someone uses them
Those had traps that are lingering floodgates should just not exist. Droll, shifter and lancea are the most toxic hand traps in the game after maxx c obviously. Hand traps should trade one for one not lock you out of a whole game mechanic. I don't care if they are format dependent, such cards should be banned.
The problem with one for one trade is that some deck can plus non stop, for example Mannadium. You simply lose if you can't draw blowout handtrap like Droll, Shifter, Lancea, or Nibiru. Even Nibiru isn't always a guarantee because they can set up Baronne before 5th summons. If you draw no handtrap and they have an average hand, Calamity will says hi in the next turn. I think the solution is to create more deck like Tearlament/Labrynth who can play on turn zero. Instead of hoping on blowout handtrap, let's just trade blows with main engine. Those deck are awful when they're the only deck who can do that, but if many deck can do the same, the game will be more interesting.
@@LS-qs9jushifter in ocg at 2 for a reason my dude, Maxx c? I can just play droll to stop it while hitting other deck as well 3 Maxx c vs 9 anti Maxx c it will unlikely to resolve shifter? I need 2 specific cards to keep shifter from resolving, they are my 2 called by. 2 shifter vs 2 called in every deck seems fair enough but combined with other handtraps it become headache.
@@LS-qs9juthe new design philosophy that konami is taking in the latest releases is very good. We got more and more cards that play on turn 0.. tearlaments.labrynth. bystials...etc. that it'll not matter whether you go first or second really. I predicted that when almost every deck can play on turn 0 the game would be so much better
There are just far too many busted cards in Yu-Gi-Oh that need to be removed. Considering you get any of these cards on turn 1 the quickest, it turns the game into a battle of either Attrition or No contest. Quite literally a Racing card game.
Yugioh is a bad game that's good sometimes is literally the best description I've ever heard. I think yugioh players we are a special breed of gluttons for punishment type.
On a OTS, on first round I got paired against another Kashtira (I was playing Rikka). Won the dice, standby phase: shifter. I was like, ok, I still can set up something. He starts his turn: summons fenrir, I got to negate it and he has no follow up. He normal ash, make Baronne, pops something and pass turn. In my standby he goes: Baronne effect, special shifter. Followed up by: another shifter from hand. Lost that one, on second game got shiftered again but managed to win and third game lost in time. Clearly that day wasn't my luckiest day
"How is this a fun game?!" he yells, while wanting to finish on a board that effectively prevents the opponent from playing just the same, but they get to activate cards for them to be negated, which apparently is "playing the game". Maybe tech in some removal so you aren't screwed by a single backrow?
Locals really have gone from the spot for casuals to meet up and chill to no mini regionals you can hear all the sweaty nerds shuffling their hands in unison
locals have always been mini regionals the fuck do you mean "spot for casuals to meet up and chill?" every locals i've ever been to has been the cities competitive players going for fucking blood.
@@ChuuniKaede for me it was post Xyz when the shift happened where local went from fun casual play with mostly non competitive decks to everyone running meta and being toxic shit lords that killed off yugioh in the city three fucking times
@@michaelkeha I started playing when sdy/sdk/lob came stateside and even from the beginning yugioh locals were all the competitive mtg and Pokémon players moving over to yugioh for another game to play so literally since the beginning locals has always been just a 30-40 person regional. My locals was almost always of a higher level than our actual regionals lol. 200-300 people events meant you were more likely to run against some casual at the low tables. Locals were consistently the players who wanted to lab out their brews in prep for the next regional or sjc so you were always more likely to be paired against someone good. The difference is my cities competitive players were all friends with each other so there was no toxicity. There was the Tucson vs Phoenix rivalry with plenty of banter but no true toxicity.
I've not played physically for a long time cause I just can't deal with this. And I don't mean that in a "get good scrub" way, I mean like emotionally deal with this in my life right now way. Sometimes, I look at the first decks I really took time, sat down, built and learned like Altergeist and Salad and think of how nice it would be to build with the new support and play again. Like for old times sake and catch up with old friends. But then I remember how die roll dependent the game can be. Then I ask "Do I need this in my life right now?". Do I really want to deal with a Nibiru mid turn or a 3 activation Zeus or something like Farfa described in his video? Like I want to go to locals for a good time; Can I really have this on top of everything else in my life right now? And sadly, I answer no.
Retro formats are a good way to still enjoy the game. If you like Altergeist and Salads, then TOSS would be perfect or you. I got one of my friends into TOSS and we've been having loads of fun playing it. If not, then Edison is a pretty good choice since there's pretty much always gonna be at least one person with an Edison deck at your locals and some locals even have Edison tournaments if there's enough interest. With the way standard is going I can definitely see a ton more people switching over to retro formats for fun.
@@nerfirelia8235 I've dabbled at the idea of going to retro format tournaments. For TOSS, i'd probably do either Striker or Salad since, depending on the list used, Multifaker being at 1 hurts geist a lot. Funny story from years ago. I played against my one friend who was playing Trains/earth machine and won against him the exact same way two events in a row. Update Jammer into Borreload, Borreload steal Liebe, Borreload and Liebe attack for game. Then another time I won in time by teching in Parro.
And the regulars wonder why I stopped showing up at their locals, the game currently is poop. I go to another shop and play the time wizard formats that the previous locals did not offer.
I remember when me and some buddies got into Yugioh after none of us played since our childhoods and somehow found out about a locals near us. Duelist Alliance dropped a week earlier.... We didn't even know how XYZ worked. That format thought me we didn't even understand fusion or synchro yet
My first and only locals I beat a striker player round 1 (who tried to cheat in his later duels), and then got shiftered twice round 2, then played against a tearlament player round 3 (about 3 weeks after release when they were still at full power). Told myself I'm not going back until the format changes lol. Haven't been back since though because Kash came out.
I think hand trap floodgates, if they have to exist should instead of beibg a lingering effect summom themselves, and then gain their floodgate as a continuus effect for a turn (and leave field in endphase). That way you could negate or destroy them on the field. Also I guess they need to only work on opponents turn, or not be usable as material
We already have a few cards kinda like this. The main one coming to mind is Retaliating "C". If the opponent uses a Spell Card that summons a monster, you can summon Retaliating "C" to the board. It applies a Macro effect to the entire board while summoned by that effect.
Yeh shifter has to fucking go. They've designed this game where like 90% of decks have some shenanigans with the GY. The artificial orchestration they did to make Kash so dominant was so egregious.
"Dimensional Shifter isn't a problem anymore, Bro." "It was only 'oppresive' in Tear formant, Champ." "Just be the Kash player, Chief." I didn't drop a single game, no match went to game 3, in the Oceanic YCS... except... round 2 and 6, both to game 3, Shifter + Feather Storm, ALL. THREE. GAMES. When the round 2 opponent spent nearly 5 minutes trying to convinve me that either of them are more balanced than Marincess Wave, because and I quote "Wave is searchable, Shifter and Storm aren't, so they're balanced" ... I almost went on suicide watch. Ban this shit already.
I'm really sorry for you. This saddens me, even frightens me from ever attempting a locals, once I have an actual chance of doing so. Might just buy the cards in a near future and let it gather some dust in a box.
I'm not trying to argue the general state and health of the game, I'm saying they shouldn't be frightened of going to locals because you >might< have some bad games. Some locals do old format stuff, but the health of the game shouldn't prevent you from making the attempt to go to locals and meet new people/see what your local card game community is like/support your local game store/etc. Hell, if the current state of Yugioh is really that bad, then by going to locals you might be able to find the shop demoing another game like flesh and blood/battle spirits/digimon/etc for you to try out.
the best you could hope is to expect to lose the first round or two and start getting paired with people that aren't playing the top-tier decks, really
I really don't get why Shifter is still around, it's a instawin card for every deck that likes their own stuff banished and has only been used very few times in decks that while getting hurt by it still can play under it. Card isn't healthy, like at all, it's counters are very few and far between and getting rarer still with Gamma limited and being activatable on your own turn to fuck your opponent regardless of any HTs they could have possible drawn to stop your plays isn't fun to play against. Is it just to push Kash? Did they keep it around because they knew they were releasing this banished focused Drident + Macro turbo deck that's super unfun to play against? It wouldn't surprise me is the sad thing....
I'm not totally against shifter. Not a fun card to face, nonetheless it's a kind of evil which serves to gatekeep out so many extravaganzas you might find in a high competitive environment. You really need this kind of crap, at least during testing you can say "ok, this bunch of decks are boned so hard by Arise and Shifter that every player knowing what he's doing won't bother consider them". I know it kinda sucks, but what else do you want to do in a non-rotational format? Also, consider how when a banish focused deck achieves a tier 0ish status good players immediately move their shifters to the side rather than not playing them at all. Cause in mirrors it is so ass. On a local scale banning shifter doesn't save you from from dudes enjoying playing whatever other random floodgate they like and which coincidentally hoes your deck no matter if Shifter is legal or not.
I think Shifter is fine as a concept because too many decks use their graveyards to generate advantage, ignoring most other hand traps. Similarly to Droll, it's a "fuck that mechanic" card that helps keep in check degenerate strategies. Unfortunately, some decks cannot play at all if one of these mechanics is turned off. But that's yugioh for you: you either shut down your opponent's entire first turn through hand traps or you won't play the game at all. I think Konami should just ban all the generic extra deck omni negates so we wouldn't have to run these shitty cards just to get a chance at playing the game
@@florinalinmarginean1135 I mostly agree. Handtraps are at their most interesting when they trade one for one in order to block a combo line from going off. But Shifter turns off an entire zone of the game which most decks use because archetypes in this game are designed with the assumption you have access to the graveyard. Its way too high impact for a handtrap. Droll is similar in that respect, but preventing draw is less egregious compared to locking off a zone.
@@florinalinmarginean1135 agreed. I believe omni negates are not that big of a deal rn. Mass tribute removal became a keystone of this game both as a side option and as featured in main deck slots. Also most of the oppressive decks we have seen recently do not feature omni negates (yeah maybe Cryme, but that card is played more for its extension capability). Lingering effects are no fun, but as long as Konami releases archetypes in which almost every card serves at the same time the roles of: -A starter; -An extender; -An advantage generator for follow up/floodgate... those cards are so necessary. And even with them around, so many Kash's hands shit on Droll, Ishizu Tear played around Shifter quite well and so on.
1.Shifter was made before kash was created. 2. You cant search it and your grave needs to be empty to even use it. 3. You can play crossout designator to kill it. If you are running called by thats an additional protection for you. In event they shifter you during their turn and you have zero counter, your best option is to save as much res as possible. They cant open shifter every game, and even if they did, its just how rng works.
My recent locals experiences have just been people asking me what every single card in my deck does when there's 5 minutes left and I've just resolved a ze amin
okay now I am confirmed in my life of just never going outside and play with these shifters... lingering effects are just insanely toxic especially if they are in handtrap form...
Why did we release Kash, let them run 3 shifter, and then say GAMMA NEEDS TO GO TO 1?!?!? The only turn 0 out to shifter that I can even think of, that requires all brick to use, and were all like yeah too strong.
I had a very similar experience at my locals. I drove 15 minutes to get there. Waited 30 to find someone to play. They had phantom knights and blew my toon deck out of the water. Waited 30 more minutes. Drove home. Went another day got blown out by psy frame, left again. Now toons is not the best deck but I'm hoping to get one monster or spell out. Master duel is at least nice because you don't have to look them in the eyes as they synchro combo you long after you've been cooked.
There is actually a scam version of this in the EU and UK. The version is that someone in a car whizzes by and gets muddy water on you or even throws something at you. They will then have a friend some by and clean you up pretending to be a Good Samaritan, but they are actually there to pickpocket you or say "now pay for the tissues". I was concerned about that, but I saw it's a bird and figured there's no way you are controlling a bird in the environment.
tuesday, i went to have fun with Suships at locals, got paired to the only kashtira player that ended up going 8th place at the regional that was last sunday in my city, lmfao *i still gave him a nice scare*
I remember my first time in locals... I was playing a wierd blue eyes deck with some random dragons and i went up against orcust. He spent 15 mins playing while i was just looking at him without understanding anything. Needless to say i have only gone to locals one more time. Master duel is way more fun
I've been busy moving to a different city, so no locals for the past 2 months. I visit my parents for a week, and I told myself "why not? Locals could e fun". All my cards are in my new apartment, so I borrow my brother's HERO deck, which isn't entirely optimized, but is still quite strong. First match : I go second, my opponent sets up his Kashtira field, I have outs in hand so I'm thinking I'm fine right ? Wrong. I out Ariseheart, start my combo, "Activate Nibiru, response?" Ok so second game I go first, start building my field, stop with DPE, Cross Crusader, and Vyon on field with Dark Angel in hand. I could stay at that, but I got greedy, what are the odds he has Nibiru in starting hand twice in a row? So 0-1 start. Next 3 matches I face Purrely, which I wasn't too familiar with yet, lose 1, win 2. Fifth match I go up against Noble Knights. I'm thinking this is at least a third win if I play it right. I go second as I lost the dice roll, he sets up his field. I start my turn, normal summon Stratos, activate effect, he chains Contact C.... Game 2 I start, Activate A HERO Lives, summon Shadow Mist, activate effect, he chains Contact C... On the bright side, I pulled a Crimson Dragon from the one and only pack I won from the tourney, so there's that.
Floodgates are a bit of a problem but in a way they counter balance combo decks that you use to say hey I have this expensive deck that makes a board with so many interruptions so you can't play. Either way what people fall to see is that with decks like that there really isn't much interaction anyway.
The decks that can’t play under shift are the true problem. Because if we don’t open shifter , you would have locked him out of the game. Doing the exact same thing
In the next banlist shifter needs to get banned along with arise heart or something that makes the deck harder to make it. Shifter was fine when it was a part of a few rogue decks, especially when we had gamma as an out but now it can be in so many decks (kash, spright, swordsoul, floo, madolche, vanquish soul, etc) that it is just as toxic as mystic mine was a while ago and it makes you either play those decks or lose to it and that is super toxic to have hts that make you not play decks that would otherwise be meta viable. Droll and nib you can make different boards when they happen but shifter a lot of decks auto lose and that is dumb
Well tbf you DID play dragon link and your end board would be 2 or 3 negates, chaos angel plus bystial in hand after a 9 minute session of playing solitare. Its not like dragon link is a very interactive deck or fun to play against.
But I thought locals were where you could go with a training wheels deck and do well! Are you telling me that even locals players will follow the meta and make the game unfun?!
I only started going to locals for the first time this month. First time playing in paper in, like, 20 years! My first game was against Kashtira. And I'm wondering if paper play is even really for me when I can't feel good about spending top dollar just for one deck that might be fun to play but I'll still lose every match, as I have done for the past 3 weeks with a slightly upgraded Traptrix deck. At least in MD, I can lose for free!
Honestly kashtira itself is not that big a problem anymore. It's not doing a lot with min hacker banned and ariseheart at one. The real problem card is D shifter. It's just too degenerate to use in any deck that doesn't need it's graveyard. I also got shiftered on my first turn twice at locals by a kashtira player but the board they made wasn't even very good. They won because I literally couldn't do anything without my graveyard. Shifter really needs to be the next card on the ban list. It wins games on it's own far too often.
@@nickhero6329 shifter is not comparable to ariseheart. Shifter is a hand trap that you have to immediately have a very specific out to or just get fucked for two turns. Ariseheart only works while he's on the field and dies to literally any kind of removal. It's a lot easier to get rid of one monster on field than it is to negate a monster effect that's discarded from hand. Not to mention that once the Ariseheart is gone, it's just gone. They're not making another one. Ariseheart is a slightly stronger dark law, I'm shocked that people still think he's broken.
No man you don't understand now that tears are out of the spotlight the game is fun, you can play so many floodga.... Decks like ariseheart/shifter pass, d barrier control and the list goes on
I went to my 2nd tournament ever and I was at the bottom. I do so well when I play test but once I'm at the tournaments, I brick so hard. That's how it was at my first tournament too. My goal was to just win 1 match and I actually did against Mermail. Goal achieved for the night lol
Yugioh just needs to have a community tier system like Pokemon does. That way everyone thats mad that there favorite NU deck gets clapped in UBERS has a tier to play. Like if we just had Ubers( KASH/TEAR/PEPE/SPYRAL/SHS) Over Used( PEND/SALAD/STRIKER/ALEISTER) Under Used( HERO/ZOMBIES/RITUAL)
This is a metaphor for Farfa getting clapped by Floowandereeze.
don't you mean.. crapped
Getting shit on by birds in life and yugioh
@@funkgremlin2765got shit on by birds and shifted 2 times thats floo in a nurshell 😂
It was a targeted effect
@@funkgremlin2765average locals goer. Gets shit on by a bird and doesn’t take a shower. Bro was right at home
I think MBT famously said "Yugioh historically has had more bad formats than good, making it objectively a bad game"
*looks at kashtira, coloSUS, vfd, new darkworlds, drytron's showing in master duel and every deck cheesing synchro ib*
Gee, what makes you say that?
Was it the fact that litch exists?
@@idosarts_and_krafts The crazy part is how many players are completely fine with and want more broken cheese.
@@ASoldierify*players see card that is just fine and not broken*
Complete dogshit. It doesn't let me SS 10 million times or make my opponent miserable.
@@monkey_blu Then we wonder why we can't get enough new players or players in the finals of a major tournament getting handripped for 6 still in 2023.
@@monkey_bluYeah but just because something is not broken does not mean it is good or fun. We don’t want to regress yogioh back to the old days of stall and attack gating until someone draws the out
we just want them to stop with the intentional power creeping for greed.
Gotta respect Farfa for going to Locals, loses to shifter TWICE and then says "Yeah, I could go for some Master Duel right about now".
lmao true
This is why "ban shifter" is not a meme
Why was a floodgate printed as a hand trap is beyond me.
@@ASoldierifyback then combo decks were the problem, i mean they dedicated the entire line of support to defeating these, DRNM, Nib and Shifter.
I think shifter wasn't even the most played at the start, but i could see it coming.
Kash would unironically be tolerable if not for Shifter. They'd just be another combo deck that loses to the die roll along with every handtrap and boardbreaker under the sun like Drytron. It's the fact that basically it's just Drytron with a handtrap that reads neither player can SS monsters except machines and rituals that's the issue.
@@mechamedeamigo3984 Oh I know the history behind the card but anyone with half a brain could tell this card would be a massive problem very soon.
@ASoldierify nib and dark ruler made the biggest waves when the tin promos were announced. But people talked about shifter, it was one of those "matter of time" scenarios until the game got power crept enough that it would see play in good decks. Honestly seeing that card on release was a real wake up call to how absurdly broken the game had become.
“I’m starting to think that Yugioh is a bad game that’s good sometimes rather than a good game that’s bad sometimes.”
You’re just now realizing this?
If MBT's latest yugioh vid told me anything it's that
*Y E S*
Yeah idk how people play this game fir multiple years, I come and go so often the guys at my locals get surprised when they see me, I really only play in healthy formats where I can play something rogue or tier 2 and not go x-5 at locals, I got a wife a kid and bills I don't have $500 to drop on a meta build just for it to get hit on the list in a no less than a few months
To me, the game can be very very frustrating to play, but sometimes you have a game that is so good and interactive it surpasses the fun I have in any other TCG
You'll appreciate those floodgates when you use them to stop something tier zero that can be stopped by a floodgate in the future. that has happened
@@vanesslifeygo
Or, you know, we could have a game that’s been balanced and designed properly so we don’t have to suffer through annoying uninteractive cards just so we can reap the benefits of those cards against even more bullshit strategies
As soon as that second Shifter dropped I'd put my hand back on the deck, pack all of my things and leave the store without a single word. Get home, pull out the paper shredder and spend the evening feeding it my entire collection.
Did you know that there are Yugioh players, who played throughout the entirety of Kashtiras reign of terror, regardless wether they played Kashtira or other decks, and when you tell them that Shifter should be banned, and they (unironically) go: “No, its fine, lets put it to 2 and see what happens.”
God bless em
i had a much worse experience during tearlaments, kashtira is but a speck of BS compared to getting combod and winda'd during my. own turn
@@SpainLordyeah but at least I can feel like I’m doing anything when I can bystial a tear. If I run into Arise-Heart with any deck that needs the gy well looks like I’m unable to play
It shouldn't be at 3
Ideally it'd be banned but 1 and 2 are better than 3, but banned is better than all of them
@@SpainLord I to be fakr, Tears will always remain an unjust comparison, only with Ishizu cards have they reached their unmatched powerlevel. Kashtira is already a very strong deck, with a good engine and big pay off, but being able to play a handtrap that FTK’s 90% of the meta is just absurd. I would give Kash 3 unicorns and Arisehearts if it meant shifter would go. Its a terribly designed card.
Mfs goes to local once every 6 month just to play Master Duel on his phone and complain about Arise-Heart and Shifter
Only showing his face IRL once every 10 lunar cycles just to go to a public venue and embarrass himself. We can all relate.
And people wonder why not too many new players start playing the game or want to join in locals lmao
My impressions is that people at the locals themselves are just terrible people. It would be easy for someone that knows what they're doing to have restraint and go easy on new kids, but what they usually do is their full combo as if it's the final game of the tournament.
@@animegx45 cause they spent 500$ for their tier 1 deck and they have to sweat and expose to you their full 1 card combo 8 negates + handtrap otherwise they cry under a table XD
Ah yes, the " get paired with the one guy that plays this deck" is soooooooo relatable.
Villain arc, farfa brings runick stun to local.
It’s always fun when they put their earphones in and say “I’ll activate pressure planet.” Then even though I haven’t played him yet he proceeds to lock off my two pendulum zones because he saw what I was playing. Yippee! Yugioh.
I can’t speak for everyone. But as a resident “piece of shit kashtira player” I go for pendulum zones first just because. Like I lock spell zones first and I just choose pend zones on the off chance someone uses them
@@Balasarbiscuitprobably why you still can’t top with a pay2win deck
@@GutsmanLoL brother every deck is pay to win
Those had traps that are lingering floodgates should just not exist. Droll, shifter and lancea are the most toxic hand traps in the game after maxx c obviously. Hand traps should trade one for one not lock you out of a whole game mechanic. I don't care if they are format dependent, such cards should be banned.
The problem with one for one trade is that some deck can plus non stop, for example Mannadium. You simply lose if you can't draw blowout handtrap like Droll, Shifter, Lancea, or Nibiru. Even Nibiru isn't always a guarantee because they can set up Baronne before 5th summons. If you draw no handtrap and they have an average hand, Calamity will says hi in the next turn.
I think the solution is to create more deck like Tearlament/Labrynth who can play on turn zero. Instead of hoping on blowout handtrap, let's just trade blows with main engine. Those deck are awful when they're the only deck who can do that, but if many deck can do the same, the game will be more interesting.
@@LS-qs9jushifter in ocg at 2 for a reason my dude, Maxx c? I can just play droll to stop it while hitting other deck as well
3 Maxx c vs 9 anti Maxx c it will unlikely to resolve
shifter? I need 2 specific cards to keep shifter from resolving, they are my 2 called by. 2 shifter vs 2 called in every deck seems fair enough but combined with other handtraps it become headache.
@@LS-qs9juthe new design philosophy that konami is taking in the latest releases is very good.
We got more and more cards that play on turn 0.. tearlaments.labrynth. bystials...etc. that it'll not matter whether you go first or second really.
I predicted that when almost every deck can play on turn 0 the game would be so much better
There are just far too many busted cards in Yu-Gi-Oh that need to be removed.
Considering you get any of these cards on turn 1 the quickest, it turns the game into a battle of either Attrition or No contest.
Quite literally a Racing card game.
I don't think the others can be compared to Shifter since Shifter lasts 2 turns and turns off other handtraps
Yugioh is a bad game that's good sometimes is literally the best description I've ever heard. I think yugioh players we are a special breed of gluttons for punishment type.
reminds me of my first time returning to locals after years in 2018 and my first match was against Gozen Rivalry Thunder King Raioh
I loaded up YGOPro with Exodia Stall and played against Machine Dupe Spyral.
On a OTS, on first round I got paired against another Kashtira (I was playing Rikka). Won the dice, standby phase: shifter. I was like, ok, I still can set up something. He starts his turn: summons fenrir, I got to negate it and he has no follow up. He normal ash, make Baronne, pops something and pass turn. In my standby he goes: Baronne effect, special shifter. Followed up by: another shifter from hand.
Lost that one, on second game got shiftered again but managed to win and third game lost in time. Clearly that day wasn't my luckiest day
"How is this a fun game?!" he yells, while wanting to finish on a board that effectively prevents the opponent from playing just the same, but they get to activate cards for them to be negated, which apparently is "playing the game".
Maybe tech in some removal so you aren't screwed by a single backrow?
Locals really have gone from the spot for casuals to meet up and chill to no mini regionals you can hear all the sweaty nerds shuffling their hands in unison
locals have always been mini regionals the fuck do you mean "spot for casuals to meet up and chill?" every locals i've ever been to has been the cities competitive players going for fucking blood.
@@ChuuniKaede for me it was post Xyz when the shift happened where local went from fun casual play with mostly non competitive decks to everyone running meta and being toxic shit lords that killed off yugioh in the city three fucking times
@@michaelkeha I started playing when sdy/sdk/lob came stateside and even from the beginning yugioh locals were all the competitive mtg and Pokémon players moving over to yugioh for another game to play so literally since the beginning locals has always been just a 30-40 person regional. My locals was almost always of a higher level than our actual regionals lol. 200-300 people events meant you were more likely to run against some casual at the low tables. Locals were consistently the players who wanted to lab out their brews in prep for the next regional or sjc so you were always more likely to be paired against someone good. The difference is my cities competitive players were all friends with each other so there was no toxicity. There was the Tucson vs Phoenix rivalry with plenty of banter but no true toxicity.
Very sad 😢
@@ChuuniKaede not surprised due to being able to win packs/boxes that's on the line
All that and you go "Same time next week?". Truly a Duelist of all time.
Shifter low key most toxic card rn
I've not played physically for a long time cause I just can't deal with this. And I don't mean that in a "get good scrub" way, I mean like emotionally deal with this in my life right now way. Sometimes, I look at the first decks I really took time, sat down, built and learned like Altergeist and Salad and think of how nice it would be to build with the new support and play again. Like for old times sake and catch up with old friends.
But then I remember how die roll dependent the game can be. Then I ask "Do I need this in my life right now?". Do I really want to deal with a Nibiru mid turn or a 3 activation Zeus or something like Farfa described in his video? Like I want to go to locals for a good time; Can I really have this on top of everything else in my life right now? And sadly, I answer no.
Retro formats are a good way to still enjoy the game. If you like Altergeist and Salads, then TOSS would be perfect or you. I got one of my friends into TOSS and we've been having loads of fun playing it. If not, then Edison is a pretty good choice since there's pretty much always gonna be at least one person with an Edison deck at your locals and some locals even have Edison tournaments if there's enough interest. With the way standard is going I can definitely see a ton more people switching over to retro formats for fun.
@@nerfirelia8235the hard part is finding people willing to play the exact format you want, specially if it's not one of the more popular ones.
@@nerfirelia8235 I've dabbled at the idea of going to retro format tournaments. For TOSS, i'd probably do either Striker or Salad since, depending on the list used, Multifaker being at 1 hurts geist a lot.
Funny story from years ago. I played against my one friend who was playing Trains/earth machine and won against him the exact same way two events in a row. Update Jammer into Borreload, Borreload steal Liebe, Borreload and Liebe attack for game.
Then another time I won in time by teching in Parro.
>Gets hosed on by Shifter and has to go through MD in his locals
"It was really fun"
And Konami wonders why the game struggles to gain new players.
And the regulars wonder why I stopped showing up at their locals, the game currently is poop. I go to another shop and play the time wizard formats that the previous locals did not offer.
Farfa explaining what happened at his locals while "we are finally cowboys" was playing looked pretty sick ngl.
I had an identical situation last week 😂 Kash round one, only guy on it, and i lost instantly and had the whole round to rethink my life choices
I remember when me and some buddies got into Yugioh after none of us played since our childhoods and somehow found out about a locals near us.
Duelist Alliance dropped a week earlier....
We didn't even know how XYZ worked. That format thought me we didn't even understand fusion or synchro yet
My first and only locals I beat a striker player round 1 (who tried to cheat in his later duels), and then got shiftered twice round 2, then played against a tearlament player round 3 (about 3 weeks after release when they were still at full power). Told myself I'm not going back until the format changes lol. Haven't been back since though because Kash came out.
I think hand trap floodgates, if they have to exist should instead of beibg a lingering effect summom themselves, and then gain their floodgate as a continuus effect for a turn (and leave field in endphase).
That way you could negate or destroy them on the field. Also I guess they need to only work on opponents turn, or not be usable as material
We already have a few cards kinda like this. The main one coming to mind is Retaliating "C". If the opponent uses a Spell Card that summons a monster, you can summon Retaliating "C" to the board. It applies a Macro effect to the entire board while summoned by that effect.
@@cherrychocolate1434 Yeah right! Also Flying c that saw some use during the xyz festival
Farfa just getting the locals experience. Konami seriously needs to ban shifter
Yeh shifter has to fucking go. They've designed this game where like 90% of decks have some shenanigans with the GY. The artificial orchestration they did to make Kash so dominant was so egregious.
"Dimensional Shifter isn't a problem anymore, Bro."
"It was only 'oppresive' in Tear formant, Champ."
"Just be the Kash player, Chief."
I didn't drop a single game, no match went to game 3, in the Oceanic YCS... except... round 2 and 6, both to game 3, Shifter + Feather Storm, ALL. THREE. GAMES.
When the round 2 opponent spent nearly 5 minutes trying to convinve me that either of them are more balanced than Marincess Wave, because and I quote "Wave is searchable, Shifter and Storm aren't, so they're balanced" ... I almost went on suicide watch. Ban this shit already.
I'm really sorry for you. This saddens me, even frightens me from ever attempting a locals, once I have an actual chance of doing so. Might just buy the cards in a near future and let it gather some dust in a box.
Some of the greatest games I've ever played were at my locals. I know its daunting but try giving it a shot!
Locals are fun honestly
I think it's just the current format that just making it bad
@@JMarGameDesignbut good formats last so little time that one has to ask, if this game stinks 80% of the time, is it really a good game?
I'm not trying to argue the general state and health of the game, I'm saying they shouldn't be frightened of going to locals because you >might< have some bad games. Some locals do old format stuff, but the health of the game shouldn't prevent you from making the attempt to go to locals and meet new people/see what your local card game community is like/support your local game store/etc.
Hell, if the current state of Yugioh is really that bad, then by going to locals you might be able to find the shop demoing another game like flesh and blood/battle spirits/digimon/etc for you to try out.
the best you could hope is to expect to lose the first round or two and start getting paired with people that aren't playing the top-tier decks, really
I enjoy hearing about how you go to a locals to play a card game then proceed to not get to play and loose instantly
Farfa explaining my experience at locals:
I must say I have enjoyed your storytelling! You know what, actually you are great at it! Looking forward to your locals series
that's wild your locals has the prisoners prisoner's dilemma going on and you ended up with the guy that turned on everyone.
>stream
>does TH-cam
>has a strong community
>still can’t afford a $.50 Scarlight
KEKW
I really don't get why Shifter is still around, it's a instawin card for every deck that likes their own stuff banished and has only been used very few times in decks that while getting hurt by it still can play under it. Card isn't healthy, like at all, it's counters are very few and far between and getting rarer still with Gamma limited and being activatable on your own turn to fuck your opponent regardless of any HTs they could have possible drawn to stop your plays isn't fun to play against.
Is it just to push Kash? Did they keep it around because they knew they were releasing this banished focused Drident + Macro turbo deck that's super unfun to play against? It wouldn't surprise me is the sad thing....
I'm not totally against shifter.
Not a fun card to face, nonetheless it's a kind of evil which serves to gatekeep out so many extravaganzas you might find in a high competitive environment.
You really need this kind of crap, at least during testing you can say "ok, this bunch of decks are boned so hard by Arise and Shifter that every player knowing what he's doing won't bother consider them".
I know it kinda sucks, but what else do you want to do in a non-rotational format?
Also, consider how when a banish focused deck achieves a tier 0ish status good players immediately move their shifters to the side rather than not playing them at all.
Cause in mirrors it is so ass.
On a local scale banning shifter doesn't save you from from dudes enjoying playing whatever other random floodgate they like and which coincidentally hoes your deck no matter if Shifter is legal or not.
I think Shifter is fine as a concept because too many decks use their graveyards to generate advantage, ignoring most other hand traps. Similarly to Droll, it's a "fuck that mechanic" card that helps keep in check degenerate strategies.
Unfortunately, some decks cannot play at all if one of these mechanics is turned off. But that's yugioh for you: you either shut down your opponent's entire first turn through hand traps or you won't play the game at all.
I think Konami should just ban all the generic extra deck omni negates so we wouldn't have to run these shitty cards just to get a chance at playing the game
@@florinalinmarginean1135 I mostly agree. Handtraps are at their most interesting when they trade one for one in order to block a combo line from going off. But Shifter turns off an entire zone of the game which most decks use because archetypes in this game are designed with the assumption you have access to the graveyard. Its way too high impact for a handtrap. Droll is similar in that respect, but preventing draw is less egregious compared to locking off a zone.
@@florinalinmarginean1135 agreed. I believe omni negates are not that big of a deal rn. Mass tribute removal became a keystone of this game both as a side option and as featured in main deck slots.
Also most of the oppressive decks we have seen recently do not feature omni negates (yeah maybe Cryme, but that card is played more for its extension capability).
Lingering effects are no fun, but as long as Konami releases archetypes in which almost every card serves at the same time the roles of:
-A starter;
-An extender;
-An advantage generator for follow up/floodgate...
those cards are so necessary.
And even with them around, so many Kash's hands shit on Droll, Ishizu Tear played around Shifter quite well and so on.
1.Shifter was made before kash was created.
2. You cant search it and your grave needs to be empty to even use it.
3. You can play crossout designator to kill it. If you are running called by thats an additional protection for you.
In event they shifter you during their turn and you have zero counter, your best option is to save as much res as possible. They cant open shifter every game, and even if they did, its just how rng works.
Scarlight is my boss monster for my Masochist deck in MD , so happy I pulled that bad boy
Welcome to Yu-Gi-Oh, Farfa... clearly the game that DOESN'T waste your time (but technically does) XD
Konami really out here hitting the Shifter counters instead of Shifter
The true definition of "one bad day". Next locals will be 2 kashtira players 😂
Playing Yu-Gi-Oh these days is more sufferable and frustrating than ever.
My recent locals experiences have just been people asking me what every single card in my deck does when there's 5 minutes left and I've just resolved a ze amin
lol went to locals tn and feather duster was glued to my hand.
one round was back to back same opener, duster into kaiju the kitten
okay now I am confirmed in my life of just never going outside and play with these shifters...
lingering effects are just insanely toxic
especially if they are in handtrap form...
Imagine setting down for duel. And immediately seeing your opponent counting your free zones. XD
Floo shifters opponent, and no one bats an eye.
Kash shifters, everyone loses their god damn minds.
Why did we release Kash, let them run 3 shifter, and then say GAMMA NEEDS TO GO TO 1?!?!? The only turn 0 out to shifter that I can even think of, that requires all brick to use, and were all like yeah too strong.
what do you do ? you chain advent farfa YOU chain advent.
Best way to play Yugioh is make sure the other guy doesn't.
I had a very similar experience at my locals. I drove 15 minutes to get there. Waited 30 to find someone to play. They had phantom knights and blew my toon deck out of the water. Waited 30 more minutes. Drove home. Went another day got blown out by psy frame, left again. Now toons is not the best deck but I'm hoping to get one monster or spell out. Master duel is at least nice because you don't have to look them in the eyes as they synchro combo you long after you've been cooked.
"This is his endboard"...only 3 cards in the hand, lmao
MORE OF THESE BRO THATS FREAKING GOLD ❤😂😂😂
There is actually a scam version of this in the EU and UK. The version is that someone in a car whizzes by and gets muddy water on you or even throws something at you. They will then have a friend some by and clean you up pretending to be a Good Samaritan, but they are actually there to pickpocket you or say "now pay for the tissues". I was concerned about that, but I saw it's a bird and figured there's no way you are controlling a bird in the environment.
where tf are you looking in the uk that this happens. it doesn't. never heard of this in my life
SP really stands for Shifter Phase tbh
I remember once at my locals I was playing at I got Droll'ed two games in a row which cost me the match...it still haunts me to this day 😅
You didn't reach into your binder and pull out 3 Called By and Gamma? Sounds like a skill issue to me, king.
The gusto revenge
tuesday, i went to have fun with Suships at locals, got paired to the only kashtira player that ended up going 8th place at the regional that was last sunday in my city, lmfao *i still gave him a nice scare*
I went to locals only once, got clapped really hard and never return.
I remember my first time in locals... I was playing a wierd blue eyes deck with some random dragons and i went up against orcust. He spent 15 mins playing while i was just looking at him without understanding anything. Needless to say i have only gone to locals one more time. Master duel is way more fun
After a bird that shit on you, the day couldnt go worse tbh. That was awful omg.
Yes, yugioh is like that somemtimes unfortunally.
I've been busy moving to a different city, so no locals for the past 2 months. I visit my parents for a week, and I told myself "why not? Locals could e fun". All my cards are in my new apartment, so I borrow my brother's HERO deck, which isn't entirely optimized, but is still quite strong.
First match : I go second, my opponent sets up his Kashtira field, I have outs in hand so I'm thinking I'm fine right ? Wrong. I out Ariseheart, start my combo, "Activate Nibiru, response?" Ok so second game I go first, start building my field, stop with DPE, Cross Crusader, and Vyon on field with Dark Angel in hand. I could stay at that, but I got greedy, what are the odds he has Nibiru in starting hand twice in a row? So 0-1 start.
Next 3 matches I face Purrely, which I wasn't too familiar with yet, lose 1, win 2.
Fifth match I go up against Noble Knights. I'm thinking this is at least a third win if I play it right. I go second as I lost the dice roll, he sets up his field. I start my turn, normal summon Stratos, activate effect, he chains Contact C.... Game 2 I start, Activate A HERO Lives, summon Shadow Mist, activate effect, he chains Contact C...
On the bright side, I pulled a Crimson Dragon from the one and only pack I won from the tourney, so there's that.
Last time I was in Glasgow my dad got absolutely droopied on by a seagull
At the end of the day, getting sh*t on was a highlight.
Floowandereeze Robina sends its regards.
The bird tried to warn you but at least he pooped on you so now you're lucky they say if a bird poops on you it's lucky
Everyone: okay guys gentlemen agreement no Kash
The man who’s never known the touch of a woman: man I love Kash so much
Floodgates are a bit of a problem but in a way they counter balance combo decks that you use to say hey I have this expensive deck that makes a board with so many interruptions so you can't play. Either way what people fall to see is that with decks like that there really isn't much interaction anyway.
I think the word you are looking for is frustratingly enjoyable Farfa
apparently for some godforsaken reason getting shat on by a bird is a good sign or something so??????? GUESS SOMETHING GOOD WILL HAPPEN FOR YOU
Banging a seagull gives you more luck
@@literallygrass1328 so true
I recently went to locals and was having lunch outside with friends and the store owner when a bird dropped a load straight on my head
The bird poo was a sign of things to come
I'm my locals of on average 50 people I have been paired up against the same guy 3 times and I KEEP LOSING.
What locals you go 2. Never had bad luck like that
The decks that can’t play under shift are the true problem. Because if we don’t open shifter , you would have locked him out of the game. Doing the exact same thing
Ghost Belle also works under Shifter btw
In the next banlist shifter needs to get banned along with arise heart or something that makes the deck harder to make it. Shifter was fine when it was a part of a few rogue decks, especially when we had gamma as an out but now it can be in so many decks (kash, spright, swordsoul, floo, madolche, vanquish soul, etc) that it is just as toxic as mystic mine was a while ago and it makes you either play those decks or lose to it and that is super toxic to have hts that make you not play decks that would otherwise be meta viable. Droll and nib you can make different boards when they happen but shifter a lot of decks auto lose and that is dumb
Well tbf you DID play dragon link and your end board would be 2 or 3 negates, chaos angel plus bystial in hand after a 9 minute session of playing solitare. Its not like dragon link is a very interactive deck or fun to play against.
But I thought locals were where you could go with a training wheels deck and do well! Are you telling me that even locals players will follow the meta and make the game unfun?!
I only started going to locals for the first time this month. First time playing in paper in, like, 20 years!
My first game was against Kashtira.
And I'm wondering if paper play is even really for me when I can't feel good about spending top dollar just for one deck that might be fun to play but I'll still lose every match, as I have done for the past 3 weeks with a slightly upgraded Traptrix deck. At least in MD, I can lose for free!
Honestly kashtira itself is not that big a problem anymore. It's not doing a lot with min hacker banned and ariseheart at one. The real problem card is D shifter. It's just too degenerate to use in any deck that doesn't need it's graveyard. I also got shiftered on my first turn twice at locals by a kashtira player but the board they made wasn't even very good. They won because I literally couldn't do anything without my graveyard. Shifter really needs to be the next card on the ban list. It wins games on it's own far too often.
Yep without shifter he probably could've won that first round...it kills mostly everything
Thing is ariseheart is a shifter on legs so if he cant out that card it doesnt matter
@@nickhero6329 shifter is not comparable to ariseheart. Shifter is a hand trap that you have to immediately have a very specific out to or just get fucked for two turns. Ariseheart only works while he's on the field and dies to literally any kind of removal. It's a lot easier to get rid of one monster on field than it is to negate a monster effect that's discarded from hand. Not to mention that once the Ariseheart is gone, it's just gone. They're not making another one. Ariseheart is a slightly stronger dark law, I'm shocked that people still think he's broken.
Groose's theme makes the video all the more glorious
lmao "that was really fun" 🤣
Yeah, this kind of shit is why I stopped playing physical Yugioh.
Copium Target Farfa
Farfa Target Copium
No man you don't understand now that tears are out of the spotlight the game is fun, you can play so many floodga.... Decks like ariseheart/shifter pass, d barrier control and the list goes on
Yooo your locals also has a bird? Theres a seagull amily that sits right outside a window and they scream at us whenever we go near the window
Man if I got shit on by a bird I’d pack it up call in sick for work and try again tomorrow
Locals Legends Farfa edition
and people laughed atme when i said inspector boarder is a problem card, which it is
2:41 WE'RE FINALLY COWBOYS
I played hero’s after like 15yrs at locals actually placed 5th in a tournament, but some of these decks I vs’d are so over powered man
I went to my 2nd tournament ever and I was at the bottom. I do so well when I play test but once I'm at the tournaments, I brick so hard. That's how it was at my first tournament too. My goal was to just win 1 match and I actually did against Mermail. Goal achieved for the night lol
still cant believe shifter is a card
Remember when Farfa lost to plunder with dragon link when DL was at full power?
Dude, shifter should have already gone at this point lol
Yugioh just needs to have a community tier system like Pokemon does. That way everyone thats mad that there favorite NU deck gets clapped in UBERS has a tier to play. Like if we just had Ubers( KASH/TEAR/PEPE/SPYRAL/SHS)
Over Used( PEND/SALAD/STRIKER/ALEISTER)
Under Used( HERO/ZOMBIES/RITUAL)
Underrated comment. The metagame at large would benefit from this