Did you see the female crew members look at each other early in the show and roll their eyes without restraint when Raynor is introduced on the bridge? It's on the same level as the way Uhura treated those male technicians on SNW during that one episode and the other female crew members smiled at each other with glee. The level of misandry and unprofessionalism is unbelievable. I'm also reminded of Nurse Chapel humiliating Spock in front of the crew during a song and dance number in the Enterprise bar -- remember that one, Mollie? Haha.
There was a show called Alias, ironically made by Jeff Joseph Abrams. In it the lead spy was given a new handler and he called a meeting just to say hello, which the spy chewed him out over because every time they met it was a risk to her cover and 'just to introduce yourself' was a lousy reason to call a meet. Right away it showed the difference in not only professionalism, but also how each viewed what they were doing. The new handler treated the situation like an office environment meet up... For the spy it was life or death and those stakes were ones she faced willingly, but on a managed level just to stay alive and complete her mission.
@stopgeorge LOL! I noticed the looks. Every character in NuTrek is so unprofessional, which is obviously a writing problem. I really have to wonder what is wrong with these writers. The characters they write exhibit extremely childish, narcissistic, and often times hate filled. On a side note, I wonder if Nurse Chapel, Moll, and the Sith Apprentice on Ahsoka all go to the same hair dresser. -Mollie
@davfree9732 You've really hit the nail on the head. The difference in how professionalism and missions are treated has changed so much in the last 20 years. If you really want to scratch your head, check out the show 'Jack of All Trades'. It stars Bruce Campbell, and it's raunchy, irreverent, and Napoleon Bonaparte is played by Verne Troyer. Alex Kurtzman wrote for that show... And it was actually funny. -Mollie
@@mollieandtheoldman the answer is, the writers are extremely childish, narcissistic, hate-filled, and hate the military and use this opportunity to take shots at command structures, because this is "deconstruction" apparently and therefore Intellectual/SMRT (TM).
Congratulations on 1000 subscribers! You deserve every one of them, and many more, for your courage, your honesty, your morality, and your fidelity to the true values of Old Trek. You are my favorite TH-cam channel. Live long and prosper, Dandelion Down
Prediction: In the final episode Michael Burnham is going to go back in time and use the Progenitor technology to create the universe and all life in it, and we will see that she truly is god.
Wow! Thanks for the shout out! I plugged your channel on Overlord DVDs via Superchat on Friday Night Frolics last night. I hope some subbed due to that. I appreciate the thanks but no thanks are necessary. I've enjoyed your insights and your humor and I am very happy to steer folks to your content. I wouldn't have if your content wasn't excellent. Take care! You're almost there. Subs are 998 currently!
It was actually Overlord DVD who originally inspired me to start this channel. I loved his take on Star Trek and his videos about the vandalism of our shared cultural heritage. Thank you so much for plugging us on Friday Night Frolics! I can't think of any place more fitting. -Mollie 😊
I know someone who worked on the show. The directors have to do what the show runners say while shooting (they are constantly monitoring while shooting) which is funny enough, exactly the opposite of what the show wants to present as a message. There is no room for creatively changing the script and so on. I know that the actor of cpt rayner tried his best to change bits, but he almost never had success, only a few times.
@@billkerns9258 in defense of the workplace. The actors have been very nice and kind and the there was a good atmosphere working there. It's a showrunner problem and hiring young unexperienced writers (and directors in some episodes). But even the more experienced directors at the end had to do it the way the showrunner wanted it. Changing lines and scripts was a very complicated process, that had to go through various instances, which is typical for big company productions. Sometimes the actor of Raynor did have success though. I know he really worked his ass off to make it work somehow. There will be some moments of satisfaction with him though.
I really enjoyed Callum Keith Rennie's performance on Battlestar Galactica, so I have mixed feelings about his new role on Discovery. On the one hand, I'm glad to see him because his presence steals every scene he's in. On the other hand, I'm feeling a great deal of trepidation concerning the direction the writers will probably take the Rayner character. We've always had a great deal of sympathy for the actors because they can only do so much with the lines they are given. As far as the writers and showrunners, the showrunners especially, I would really like to see them looking for work in fields that don't include writing, education, or management of any kind. At least Alex Kurtzman and Michelle Paradise's tenure with Star Trek should be coming to an end soon. And I wish the best of luck to all the actors who had the misfortune of working for Secret Hideout. -Mollie
@@billkerns9258 I enjoy reading your comments, Bill. I find it encouraging that you are an educator. I made a comment, on another video, that TOS appealed to a variety of social groups. I have always seen myself as middle-of-the-road; my late father was conservative; but we both loved TOS, and we watched it together. TOS made a sincere attempt to provoke thought about important issues: I think that is understood by all TOS fans, regardless of their individual leanings, and that is why TOS still appeals to many different types of people. Live long and prosper, Dandelion Down
@@billkerns9258 Certainly the fan base would return with thoughtful scripts. The popularity of Star Trek Continues demonstrates that viewers still hunger for intelligent story-telling. Peace, and long life, Dandelion Down
@@billkerns9258 I agree with everything in your comment. It is shocking that the writers completely misrepresent the Vulcans. Vulcans are guided by their IDIC philosophy, which I find admirable. As for their logic, we remember the opinion of Spock: “Logic is the beginning of wisdom … not the end.” Cheers, Dandelion Down
Go ..go...1000! You guys deserve many times more! And what a thorough and on-point review for this dreadful episode. Thanks for giving us the sanity check!
I always thought that the hate on Tilly wasn't that fair. (I don't like the character don't get me wrong, I just wondered why people didn't like her.) And now I understand why. Just heard the news that Lower Decks is being cancelled at season five. So thankfully Kurtzman Trek has the expiration date of five seasons. 😀If _any_ character in Legacy Trek acted like the Discovery and Enterprise crews (aside from Ro Lauren) they'd have been chewed out! Congrats on being so close to 1,000 subs! The both of you deserve it!
What completely blows apart the argument Tilly is making is that none- NONE- of the crew members Rayner is being brusque with seem negatively affected or bothered in any way by his brusqueness. They just seem to go on with their day.
Thank you for doing this guys, instantly subscribed. You seem to be a voice of reason in a sea of madness. Seems like the nuTrek scam is finally falling apart with both Prodigy and LD cancelled.
We hope this is towards the end of the Secret Hideout run. Because this has been a sad ride. Section 31 seems like their last big endeavor and we're guessing that it is going to fail miserably -- Old Man
In reference to your comment toward the end of the video, people do frequently say that all Star Trek shows start off rough. But in reality, that’s not true at all. In TOS, the first season was the best. And the other two were pretty good. They knew what they were doing from the beginning. TNG‘s first season was a little rough to go to a lot of behind-the-scenes shenanigans as documented in the documentary chaos on the bridge., but the next generation had it pretty well figured out by season two. So the whole myth that Star Trek always has a few bad seasons before I figures out what it’s doing is simply not true.
Rayner represents a demographic that exists in real workplaces the world over, and is representative of myself. Our type is best deployed to inefficient worksites as a temporary manager to ascertain the shortcomings and correct them (being disliked is irrelevant). The friend to everyone type of manager also has a place, fostering a more familial environment in which people are happy/ optimistic/ positive but can make it difficult for the manager to enforce policies ("give an inch, take a mile").
You will find no technical manual written for NuTrek, the only material that might exist, is...a artist concept book on ship design. Since 2009, BR & SH has not explained any technical feature from their version of Trek. They will not do so, cause they can't be that creative in the first place.
Stay true to us and Trek, and you will always find subs. We are all in the same boat. Unfortunately when bigger channels get favors they forget what's real, and sell out.
Hilarious: 22:28 "She [Burnham] has never seen a war crime she doesn't want to commit." and "at 22:50 "It's like they made a series that's comprised entirely of Wesley Crushers." Ha ha ha ha!
When some people say, "All Star Trek series have started poorly," they are wrong. TOS hit the ground running. The first ten episodes (in airdate order OR production order) included some of the best ever episodes, including five of my personal favourites. The first season was the best, IMO.
Maybe not ALL Star Trek series, but its true for most of them. TNG season 1 is by far the poorest and most dated. It's true season 7 for that show is pretty bad but at least it had good production and direction. DS9 started ok but only found its actual footing after season 3. Voyager pretty much the same, only getting "good" after 7 of 9 arrives. Enterprise's best season was season 4.
Hi just came across your channel and my reaction was after each of your point was, That's what I was screaming this whole time at the Not Star Trek discovery
I'll say it again -- Tilly, to me, is competing for the top spot for worst character ever written for Star Trek. Her and Ortega (who flies the ship) represent everything that is wrong with Nu Trek. Even more so than Michael Burnham, IMO.
Congratulations, Mollie and the Old Man on reaching the 1,000 subscriber threshold! 🥳🥳 I was waiting for a "dolphin" sound effect from you, Mollie. It was clear right away in the recap that you strongly disliked a lot of what was in this episode. And there are only 7 more to go. Old Man, I loved the WKRP reference, and the "...entirely of Wesley Crushers" was a zinger.
you know how a lot of comic books do this thing where instead of fighting the bad guys, the good guys spend pages and pages on talking about their feelings in cafes/coffee shops/etc? StD does the same thing, except instead of coffee shops, it's standing around in hallways talking about their FEEELINKS.
When the old lady released the symbiont back into the pool... Maybe I've been watching to much Shogun because I imagined the ceremony was in line with Seppuku.
Rayner is the only decent and believable character on the entire show! This is Star Fleet! Not some girls gossip club. Luckily they found a cure for the STD and it will soon be gone!
The Tec Manuals went out the window with jj trek. In the 2ed film there was a trans warp transporter. The so called writers are just kit bashing old Star Trek ideas like they did models back in the day.
Prodigy feels like Star Trek meets Guardians of the Galaxy in my opinion. If they'd ditch some of the sitcom humor, Strange New Worlds would be the best Trek since Enterprise season 4, imo.
Very very good point about there being no tech manual for Nu Trek. That is a concise way of proving in yet another way that this is NOT Star Trek. TNG had scientific and engineering consultants on the show so that they could at least make it believable and grounded with some relationship to science and innovations of the day. Furthermore, they used these references as the basis of some wonderful thought experiments. Discovery, on the other hand, has none of that. Science is simply a facade for cheap lazy fantasy. From Perplexity AI... "No, there does not appear to be an official technical manual published for the Star Trek: Discovery series. The search results indicate that while there have been technical manuals published for other Star Trek series, such as The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager, there is no mention of a similar manual being released for Discovery. The search results focus on technical manuals for other Star Trek shows and do not contain any information about a Discovery technical manual. This suggests that Paramount or CBS, the studios behind Star Trek: Discovery, have not commissioned or published an official technical reference book for that particular series." What technology will Discovery be known for being ahead of real-life. TNG had tablet computers (Padd) and touch screens. TOS had the communicator which mirrored the modern cell phone. Discovery? I can't think of anything. AI? That's not really ahead of the game now. Anything that does look futuristic is simply non-sensical fantasy.
Ironically, Discovery does have a science consultant, a biologist who teaches at Duke University. But if you don't heed the advice of your consultant, then whose fault is when your attempts at science fiction devolve into trashy melodrama checking DEI boxes, rather than stories to inspire thought and expand worldviews.
@@stopgeorge No, the Mycelium network comes from the IRL Mycologist Paul Stamets. It's possible they consulted Dr. Mohammed Noor about the Progenitors from TNG "The Chase", since he has talked about that on his TH-cam channel.
@@wotaj On a brief search, I couldn't find anything that he contributed that was a main concept for any of the Nu Trek shows. It seems as though He was just someone who made sure the techno-babble was somewhat plausible and maybe gave the writers ideas for some minor elements on the show. On the topic of the Progenitors, he indirectly says it's a silly idea... "One explanation the show offers, from The Next Generation episode “The Chase,” is that four billion years ago something was seeded on Earth, and on Kronos, and on Romulus, and on all these other places, so essentially weʼre all related. It is possible that life on Earth came from life elsewhere, a hypothesis called panspermia. I applaud them for the effort, but thatʼs a little problematic, because why would everything evolve to look so similar? That denies the important role of chance events in evolution."
@@wotaj Erin Macdonald is the chief consultant I have discovered (astrophysicist). In the brief research I've done, it seems like their approach is to be "yes" people to the writers -- and then try to make it make sense in a scientific way. That explains a lot, actually. So, it's not science really driving the ideas of the show. Science is really a supporting role, which I think we all have suspected. From my searching... "When the writers wanted to include a musical episode in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, Macdonald worked with them to find a scientific explanation that made the concept plausible. She takes a "yes, and..." approach, looking for ways to make the writers' ideas work from a scientific perspective rather than just rejecting them."
The ship was even more advanced back in the 23rd century and seems even more advanced than the ships that they have in this 32nd century. It doesn't need warp drive.
Ahaha, a series comprised of all Wesley Crushers. Maybe they’ll pull the last episode of Roseanne where it turns out Wesley Crusher never went with the weirdo to travel the universe but instead has been living in his mom basement writing these new trek stories all along.
We actually see Barclay get chewed out more than once for his "quirkiness". Everyone treats Tilly with kid gloves. I want more Stamets and Adira solving engineering problems, so we can get some exposition explaining the magic tech better.
If Rayner was a Medjai, rather than Oded Fehr's Admiral Vance, that would a clever transposition. But it's STD so we know they wouldn't do anything dealing with meta-narrative on purpose.
I'm guessing the technology is neuro-linked, but it must be linked to the ship's computer to manage all the technicalities of transporting or you'd end up in a wall. Explaining how it works would mean the writers had to follow rules, its easier for them to make technology work like magic and do whatever they want it to do (as long as it looks cool and works with the story). I'd say the writers are very much like the crew of Discovery, so Rayner's behaviour is wrong in their opinion and Tilly is perfectly justified in disrespecting him, she sure is starfleet academy material! I feel sorry for any personalities that aren't "super bubbly!" like hers, they'll all fail.
When you think about everyone having an implanted neuro-link, it definitely raises some questions. For instance, isn't a neuro-link a little too close to Borg tech? -Mollie
When I compare the characters of Tilley vs. Barclay on TNG, I'm left wondering why I distinctly dislike one over the other to such a significant degree. They both started out as similar awkward characters who had much self-doubt. But the difference is that this vulnerability remained with Barclay and I think that's why I liked him so much. Even at the beginning, Tilly had this cartoonish drive to be Captain. Of note, Barclay was juxtaposed with his colleagues who were incredibly professional and he was often intimidated by his superiors (meaning, he implicitly respected the chain of command). We could all relate to that. Tilley completely lost that vulnerability and became this know-it-all preachy sanctimonious focal point of female self-righteousness ("That's the power of math, people!"). She's still remained awkward but she has this extreme tone-deaf smugness that is completely off-putting. And, in this particular episode, they took her self-righteousness to another level -- to the point of insubordination. Imagine if she were with the TNG crew. Even "Q" would have been more welcomed than her. There was one episode when Barclay exhibited the same behavior as Tilly. It was an episode called, "The Nth Degree". He acted like Tilly but, in this case, it was temporary and out of his control due to an alien probe's energy surge. He became all-knowledgeable, and eventually, arrogant and regrettably insubordinate. However, in this case, the entire crew was figuring out a way to make this inappropriate destructive behavior stop. Now, in 2024, this behavior is praised without any sense of self-reflection or humility. Tsk... tsk... How times have sadly changed!
Barclay is one of my all-time favorite characters. And I despise Tilly at this point. The writers have made her so intolerable and unlikeable. I thought she was supposed to be autistic representation, and if that's the case, what they are doing to her character is unconscionable. -Mollie
@@mollieandtheoldman That would have actually been interesting to genuinely have a character on the spectrum. But if she was, why would they not talk about it directly on the show? It would have given her much needed depth of character. That would have been gold for Star Trek. Instead, they just made her irritatingly quirky and sanctimonious in a really shallow way.
There's also something that Wesley, Adira and Tilly do which is to lack seriousness, gravitas and concern. Everything is easy for them. They say everything with a smile. They exude smugness and arrogance. I think it's disrespectful for all the characters and people who have had to be serious and concerned when they deal with difficult issues. That's why people look professional and have gravitas. That to me is the worst of what Tilly now does. And I guess we can blame the director because I think Wiseman was fine in the first season.
It is so small-minded of Michelle Paradise to use Rayner as a metaphor for the critics. We get it. She hates us. Well, sorry, you live by the sword and you die by the sword. The cancellor is cancelled. I am Raynor!
OMG, I'm just five minutes into your summary and I'm asking, who wrote this? A 10-year-old? re: STD Technical manual. You're kidding, right? They just make it up as they go along. The tech does what they think will look cool in the moment. It has no rules or consistency. You're not supposed to understand it, because not even the writers understand it. There will never be an STD technical manual. No Discovery blueprints. It's not possible because nothing makes sense.
We try to keep an open mind. But at this point it does look like they make up stuff as they go. Which is different than say Voyager's technobabble EXTENDING the rules. We're open to be wrong if we can get a tech manual describing the Discovery rules. But so far, no one has shared any -- Old Man
There is just no orderly hierarchy in STD. No chain of command in a behavioral sense. I wouldn't have Tilly teach waste extraction let alone the academy.
Tilly learned under Lorca, Burnham and Saru. And whatever off screen stuff she is doing at the academy (which we still don't know what she is teaching). How she thinks she can talk down to a person about leadership who seemingly has decades of experience .... well, that's Secret Hideout Star Trek -- Old Man
The technology problem also relates to story tension and stakes. Michael Burnham has reached her final form this season. She flies around in an Ironman suit. She is able to teleport great and short distances as she requires. And she can summon a phaser or tissue regenerator with a mere wave of her hand, a "hand-wave" if you will. She is not a Starship captain, she is Captain Marvel. She never needs to worry about the vacuum of space nor the sheer force of riding a vessel travelling at lightspeed. She will never have to best an enemy in a struggle for a weapon just out of her reach nor will she ever find herself trapped in a cave or on a precipice. Unless of course the script needs for those things to happen and hey presto, suddenly she is surrounded by magnetic rocks or old school TOS, TNG DS9 bad weather induced interference. Michael Burnham is the "chosen one" as evidenced by the fact that the old Trill lady could finally rest (read die) now that she had passed on the Universe saving clue to the one person worthy of continuing the search. And when this show finally ends and its many many producers (over twenty I believe) can also finally rest safe in the knowledge that they have hired all the diverse folks and given them nothing of value to do, Michael Burnham will have sacrificed her life in order to save all the things only to be resurrected by the maguffin life generator (don't look at the Search For Spock behind the curtain, just ignore it) so that the power of Christmas Kwanza love will show Book how to recreate his stupid planet for love and friendship family luv. I actually wish they could have made just one more season so Burnham could have solved the mystery of the strange disappearance of all the straight white men in the future. It's very concerning, some of best myselves are straight white man.
We made a joke last season about expecting one day that Michael Burnham would go fist to fist w/ a starship (I think that was a derivation of what RLM predicted). In that first episode of this season, that prediction came really really close -- Old Man
@@mollieandtheoldman I missed that but I believe you. It could still happen. I mean, what's a starship to a strong woman who has started a war with the Klingons, defeated the mirror-universe, destroyed a galaxy-threatening killer A.I., mangled a powerful pirate empire, successfully begged for mercy from some goofy planet-eating aliens, deftly solved the mystery of the moronic plot device (burn) and I dunno, got her weirdo live-in boyfriend out of space jail after thinking she had ordered his death. So um...where's Book's ankle bracelet by the way?
It took me awhile to build up the resolve the watch this vid… mainly because, based on the title, I suspect that just the description of STD’s content is going to annoy me and after 5 half seasons, or 2 and a half full ones, based on previous Treks, the show should be starting to get good… but it’s woke. It’ll never get good and Hollywood seem fine with that. I feel sorry for the consumers.
Criticising Star Trek for being woke is like criticising sugar for being sweet, its idiotic. The problem is not the wokness, its the bad writing, atrocious characterisation and storytelling.
I thought it was established in DS9 or even TNG that once a trill leaves its host they have to be put into another one. I don't think they ever showe done could be put back into the pool. Not that I expect these writers to know that. Vulcan purists? Again? Sigh..
I thought the same thing. I assumed the old Trill died and the symbiont swam off to die, too. And the Vulcan purists... I really hope they don't go much further down that racial purity road, but they probably will. -Mollie
Nu Trek writers hate real Vulcans. They adhere to logic too much. That's why they they turned the real Vulcans into purists who resort to terrorism and watered down characters like Spock to the point where they are barely recognizable. And even then, they have the female characters chastise him on SNW.
@@mollieandtheoldman Yeah that's how I remember the Trill being portrayed at least. I guess they can survive without a host as the Dax symbiote was being transported to Trill after.. That decision the writers made which I'm still not fond of. But from what I could understand it needed to be put into another host pretty quickly. I think Bishir says " It needs to get to Trill as quickly as possible". Yeah I hate what they've done to the vulcans. Some of that is Enterprise's fault, though they tried to correct things in the last season. But yeah Vulcan purists doesn't seem like a group that'd be a founding member of the Federation.
I just watched "Booby Trap", and yeah, it comes down to Picard flying the ship instead of the computer... Great review! So glad you guys are so close to 1000 Subscribers! Sub everyone!
Speaking of relaying pertinent information in 20 words or less, "It's like they made a series that's comprised entirely of Wesley Crushers," is another outstanding summary of this terrible show.
Do they ever use the holodeck on this show? Does the ship even have a holodeck? The holodeck is a huge part of Trek, and maybe a big missing piece of NuTrek is holodeck underuse.
Everyone apparently has a holodeck in their quarters now (sigh). It's another level of stupid "magic" that is never explored in any interesting or fun way. But they show it now and then. David Cronenberg was using it in episode 1 this season.
I know we've seen holodeck capabilities in the crew's quarters, but I don't recall ever seeing an actual holodeck. It's certainly been underutilized if they do have one. That would have been a good way to gain more insight into the crews personalities by seeing them using holonovels in the holodeck, but character development doesn't seem to be an area of strength for the writing staff. -Mollie
@@mollieandtheoldman Maybe they didn't want to fall into the holodeck malfunctions trope, and some of the holodeck stuff is cheesy, but like you suggest, we get a lot of insight into characters during holodeck episodes.
It is magical technology. The writers have no idea how to do any sort of world building, let alone understand how anything works. Which would be fine if the magical technology was consistent, everyone is willing to accept rules of a fictional universe. In our world your not have a space that big re-entering atmosphere. But it's sci fi i have no problem with that, but crashing into the surface to divert an avalanche, and then back up and leave with no damage?!?! That makes no sense. I think a lot of modern writers don't take the world they are writing in seriously and that puts a serious ceiling in how good your writing can be. Combine that with no understanding of world building and everything is set up to fail.
Imagine if Riker, at some point, started preaching to Picard that his professional leadership style sucks and that the best way forward is to try to be friends with everyone on the ship. Nothing against the actress, but Tilly is one of the worst characters Star Trek ever produced. I'd rather have 2 Wesleys.
They talk about Zora, but never show her/it. Or maybe I just space out sometimes and miss it. Did we used to see characters interact with the computer more in other series? Shin Hottie is just a weird villain in both Trek and Star Wars. Her motivations seem petty in both universes. There are times when you see something and your reaction makes you feel like a bad person in ways that you can't share with anyone without being hated. Adira and the person she broke up with, their scenes this episode made me feel like that. It was so cringe, and I hope no one ever interacts like that. Where are the Klingons? I still don't know the names of half the characters.
Don't feel too bad. Gray is an android and showed as much emotion as you'd expect to get out of Data when breaking-up with Adira. I hope we don't see the Gray character again. I have also wondered what happened to the Klingons. I certainly don't remember them addressing it in narrative. I have a feeling they were too much hassle for the showrunners to include past the initial storyline. -Mollie
@@mollieandtheoldman Ugh. The actor who plays Gray is intolerably bad. As for the Klingons, don't worry -- Space Jesus has an intrinsic understanding of them and will speak on their behalf when she eventually becomes the mycelium network.
I said I wasn't going to watch Discovery anymore, but then I watched this video, and decided to suffer with everyone else here. How is this time period, just coming off a century or so without interstellar travel of any useful speed, worthy to be trusted with the Progenitors' tech? Things seem chaotic, like they are still putting the pieces back together from a more peaceful, safer, time. They will probably realize this, and either be forced to destroy the tech or hide it for another thousand years.
Burnham should have said yes you're right, we're not ready. We just got the Federation back again and we got Earth into the Federation, and Book almost destroyed species 10c. The only reason this works in Star Trek is that it is set in an optimistic future. Once they took that away to tell they're dramatic stories then you can't do stuff like this.
Also disco is soooo bad. They clearly think they are clever from the name Moll meaning gangster girlfriend in slang and her setup to be forgiven with an hard life. This is not scifi show it's a teen drama. They are again running back to the Genesis device like destruction. The whole concept from season 1 has been terrible and this is more of the same. Between the insipid dialog to the rampant stammering, it's hard to watch or listen too. The self aware comment on Culber being in shape annoyed me. At the end i bet MB will be ensconcsed into the fabric space time like an original and rejected roddenberry script. It fits as this show started with a rejected ship design.
Moll and L'ak didn't get the correct clue on the 1st planet and instead went to Betazed. Then, they spent how much time searching the entire planet of Betazed? Once they realized they didn't have the right clue, they traveled back to the 1st planet. There they once again defeat the electromagnetic field and the defense system. They were then able to figure out Romulan poem structure and was able to find the 5th line of the poem which was hidden underneath the stone monument. They then correctly figured out the 5th line of the poem to lead them to Trill. Then they travelled to Trill, defeated the Trill defenses and correctly found where Burnham and friends are hanging out. This is all happening at the same time Discovery, using it's pizza mushroom drive, instantly travels from the planet with the 1st clue to Trill. ... Stupid.
Actually I couldn't watch the end of the episode - it made me sick so I missed the part with Moll. So I didn't understand your post here until I finished the video, and there she was.
Congrats on reaching 1000! We just started our small chanel: Yelling At Gaseous Anomalies. So we'd be happy to have you as a sub and well shout you too as you guys do great work! Thanks for suffering through Disco and other shows for the nu Trek era!
I agree that the strip mining of ideas from better shows is bad. But I've said this before, even with the Star Trek "themes" or "ideas" set aside - the writing of this show is terrible. Just regular continuity, like A leads to B then leads to C is extremely bad. The dialogue is trash and at many times makes no sense. The basic logic is so weak and nonsensical. The plot convenances are so numerous and huge that borders on the ridiculousness. Like the Old Man said, the technology is nonsense and magic. Forget that this is suppose to be a Star Trek show. This is just a badly written show.
Did you see the female crew members look at each other early in the show and roll their eyes without restraint when Raynor is introduced on the bridge? It's on the same level as the way Uhura treated those male technicians on SNW during that one episode and the other female crew members smiled at each other with glee. The level of misandry and unprofessionalism is unbelievable. I'm also reminded of Nurse Chapel humiliating Spock in front of the crew during a song and dance number in the Enterprise bar -- remember that one, Mollie? Haha.
There was a show called Alias, ironically made by Jeff Joseph Abrams. In it the lead spy was given a new handler and he called a meeting just to say hello, which the spy chewed him out over because every time they met it was a risk to her cover and 'just to introduce yourself' was a lousy reason to call a meet. Right away it showed the difference in not only professionalism, but also how each viewed what they were doing. The new handler treated the situation like an office environment meet up... For the spy it was life or death and those stakes were ones she faced willingly, but on a managed level just to stay alive and complete her mission.
@stopgeorge LOL! I noticed the looks. Every character in NuTrek is so unprofessional, which is obviously a writing problem. I really have to wonder what is wrong with these writers. The characters they write exhibit extremely childish, narcissistic, and often times hate filled. On a side note, I wonder if Nurse Chapel, Moll, and the Sith Apprentice on Ahsoka all go to the same hair dresser. -Mollie
@davfree9732 You've really hit the nail on the head. The difference in how professionalism and missions are treated has changed so much in the last 20 years. If you really want to scratch your head, check out the show 'Jack of All Trades'. It stars Bruce Campbell, and it's raunchy, irreverent, and Napoleon Bonaparte is played by Verne Troyer. Alex Kurtzman wrote for that show... And it was actually funny. -Mollie
@@mollieandtheoldman the answer is, the writers are extremely childish, narcissistic, hate-filled, and hate the military and use this opportunity to take shots at command structures, because this is "deconstruction" apparently and therefore Intellectual/SMRT (TM).
Congratulations on 1000 subscribers! You deserve every one of them, and many more, for your courage, your honesty, your morality, and your fidelity to the true values of Old Trek. You are my favorite TH-cam channel.
Live long and prosper,
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Thank you so much, Dandelion Down! It really has been subscribers like you who have made this worthwhile. -Mollie 😊
Prediction: In the final episode Michael Burnham is going to go back in time and use the Progenitor technology to create the universe and all life in it, and we will see that she truly is god.
Yes, strong female Mary-Sue character that can do no wrong.
Wow! Thanks for the shout out! I plugged your channel on Overlord DVDs via Superchat on Friday Night Frolics last night. I hope some subbed due to that. I appreciate the thanks but no thanks are necessary. I've enjoyed your insights and your humor and I am very happy to steer folks to your content. I wouldn't have if your content wasn't excellent. Take care! You're almost there. Subs are 998 currently!
It was actually Overlord DVD who originally inspired me to start this channel. I loved his take on Star Trek and his videos about the vandalism of our shared cultural heritage. Thank you so much for plugging us on Friday Night Frolics! I can't think of any place more fitting. -Mollie 😊
I know someone who worked on the show. The directors have to do what the show runners say while shooting (they are constantly monitoring while shooting) which is funny enough, exactly the opposite of what the show wants to present as a message. There is no room for creatively changing the script and so on. I know that the actor of cpt rayner tried his best to change bits, but he almost never had success, only a few times.
@@billkerns9258 in defense of the workplace. The actors have been very nice and kind and the there was a good atmosphere working there. It's a showrunner problem and hiring young unexperienced writers (and directors in some episodes). But even the more experienced directors at the end had to do it the way the showrunner wanted it. Changing lines and scripts was a very complicated process, that had to go through various instances, which is typical for big company productions. Sometimes the actor of Raynor did have success though. I know he really worked his ass off to make it work somehow. There will be some moments of satisfaction with him though.
I really enjoyed Callum Keith Rennie's performance on Battlestar Galactica, so I have mixed feelings about his new role on Discovery. On the one hand, I'm glad to see him because his presence steals every scene he's in. On the other hand, I'm feeling a great deal of trepidation concerning the direction the writers will probably take the Rayner character.
We've always had a great deal of sympathy for the actors because they can only do so much with the lines they are given. As far as the writers and showrunners, the showrunners especially, I would really like to see them looking for work in fields that don't include writing, education, or management of any kind. At least Alex Kurtzman and Michelle Paradise's tenure with Star Trek should be coming to an end soon. And I wish the best of luck to all the actors who had the misfortune of working for Secret Hideout. -Mollie
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I enjoy reading your comments, Bill. I find it encouraging that you are an educator.
I made a comment, on another video, that TOS appealed to a variety of social groups. I have always seen myself as middle-of-the-road; my late father was conservative; but we both loved TOS, and we watched it together. TOS made a sincere attempt to provoke thought about important issues: I think that is understood by all TOS fans, regardless of their individual leanings, and that is why TOS still appeals to many different types of people.
Live long and prosper,
Dandelion Down
@@billkerns9258 Certainly the fan base would return with thoughtful scripts. The popularity of Star Trek Continues demonstrates that viewers still hunger for intelligent story-telling.
Peace, and long life,
Dandelion Down
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I agree with everything in your comment.
It is shocking that the writers completely misrepresent the Vulcans. Vulcans are guided by their IDIC philosophy, which I find admirable. As for their logic, we remember the opinion of Spock: “Logic is the beginning of wisdom … not the end.”
Cheers,
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Go ..go...1000! You guys deserve many times more! And what a thorough and on-point review for this dreadful episode. Thanks for giving us the sanity check!
I always thought that the hate on Tilly wasn't that fair. (I don't like the character don't get me wrong, I just wondered why people didn't like her.) And now I understand why. Just heard the news that Lower Decks is being cancelled at season five. So thankfully Kurtzman Trek has the expiration date of five seasons. 😀If _any_ character in Legacy Trek acted like the Discovery and Enterprise crews (aside from Ro Lauren) they'd have been chewed out! Congrats on being so close to 1,000 subs! The both of you deserve it!
5 half seasons is too long. These projects should have been terminated at season 1... Or better yet, pre-production.
im so glad its ending. people are tired of this nonsense. i would tell tilly... "yer off duty until you loose weight. you cant run a mile"
Congrats guys on finally getting over 1000 subs! 🥂🎉
What completely blows apart the argument Tilly is making is that none- NONE- of the crew members Rayner is being brusque with seem negatively affected or bothered in any way by his brusqueness. They just seem to go on with their day.
Thank you for doing this guys, instantly subscribed. You seem to be a voice of reason in a sea of madness. Seems like the nuTrek scam is finally falling apart with both Prodigy and LD cancelled.
We hope this is towards the end of the Secret Hideout run. Because this has been a sad ride. Section 31 seems like their last big endeavor and we're guessing that it is going to fail miserably -- Old Man
In reference to your comment toward the end of the video, people do frequently say that all Star Trek shows start off rough. But in reality, that’s not true at all. In TOS, the first season was the best. And the other two were pretty good. They knew what they were doing from the beginning. TNG‘s first season was a little rough to go to a lot of behind-the-scenes shenanigans as documented in the documentary chaos on the bridge., but the next generation had it pretty well figured out by season two. So the whole myth that Star Trek always has a few bad seasons before I figures out what it’s doing is simply not true.
Rayner represents a demographic that exists in real workplaces the world over, and is representative of myself. Our type is best deployed to inefficient worksites as a temporary manager to ascertain the shortcomings and correct them (being disliked is irrelevant).
The friend to everyone type of manager also has a place, fostering a more familial environment in which people are happy/ optimistic/ positive but can make it difficult for the manager to enforce policies ("give an inch, take a mile").
You will find no technical manual written for NuTrek, the only material that might exist, is...a artist concept book on ship design.
Since 2009, BR & SH has not explained any technical feature from their version of Trek.
They will not do so, cause they can't be that creative in the first place.
They're not SF fans. Not tech nerds. They don't care if anything makes sense, and don't understand why it would be important to fans.
Stay true to us and Trek, and you will always find subs. We are all in the same boat. Unfortunately when bigger channels get favors they forget what's real, and sell out.
WKRP reference was pretty fantastic!
Hilarious: 22:28 "She [Burnham] has never seen a war crime she doesn't want to commit." and "at 22:50 "It's like they made a series that's comprised entirely of Wesley Crushers." Ha ha ha ha!
The Old Man was really killing it in this video. -Mollie 🤣
When some people say, "All Star Trek series have started poorly," they are wrong. TOS hit the ground running. The first ten episodes (in airdate order OR production order) included some of the best ever episodes, including five of my personal favourites. The first season was the best, IMO.
Maybe not ALL Star Trek series, but its true for most of them. TNG season 1 is by far the poorest and most dated. It's true season 7 for that show is pretty bad but at least it had good production and direction. DS9 started ok but only found its actual footing after season 3. Voyager pretty much the same, only getting "good" after 7 of 9 arrives. Enterprise's best season was season 4.
Hi just came across your channel and my reaction was after each of your point was, That's what I was screaming this whole time at the Not Star Trek discovery
I'm glad you found us. Welcome! -Mollie
I'll say it again -- Tilly, to me, is competing for the top spot for worst character ever written for Star Trek. Her and Ortega (who flies the ship) represent everything that is wrong with Nu Trek. Even more so than Michael Burnham, IMO.
This isn't Star Trek.
@@nickcharles1284 It's not even science fiction, IMO. It's Glee or 90210 in space.
Don't forget Adira:
Adira: So does that mean....?
Grey: Are we saying we are breaking up?
Adira: I, uh... Yeah, I guess.
Gray: I guess so
@@stopgeorge Heh. Indeed.
Congratulations, Mollie and the Old Man on reaching the 1,000 subscriber threshold! 🥳🥳
I was waiting for a "dolphin" sound effect from you, Mollie. It was clear right away in the recap that you strongly disliked a lot of what was in this episode. And there are only 7 more to go.
Old Man, I loved the WKRP reference, and the "...entirely of Wesley Crushers" was a zinger.
you know how a lot of comic books do this thing where instead of fighting the bad guys, the good guys spend pages and pages on talking about their feelings in cafes/coffee shops/etc? StD does the same thing, except instead of coffee shops, it's standing around in hallways talking about their FEEELINKS.
When the old lady released the symbiont back into the pool... Maybe I've been watching to much Shogun because I imagined the ceremony was in line with Seppuku.
Rayner is the only decent and believable character on the entire show! This is Star Fleet! Not some girls gossip club. Luckily they found a cure for the STD and it will soon be gone!
The Tec Manuals went out the window with jj trek. In the 2ed film there was a trans warp transporter. The so called writers are just kit bashing old Star Trek ideas like they did models back in the day.
Agree with you guys regarding Prodigy! It is the closest we've gotten to Trek in this modern era. Pretty sad, eh?!
II would say The Orville is the closest.
Prodigy feels like Star Trek meets Guardians of the Galaxy in my opinion. If they'd ditch some of the sitcom humor, Strange New Worlds would be the best Trek since Enterprise season 4, imo.
Very very good point about there being no tech manual for Nu Trek. That is a concise way of proving in yet another way that this is NOT Star Trek. TNG had scientific and engineering consultants on the show so that they could at least make it believable and grounded with some relationship to science and innovations of the day. Furthermore, they used these references as the basis of some wonderful thought experiments. Discovery, on the other hand, has none of that. Science is simply a facade for cheap lazy fantasy.
From Perplexity AI...
"No, there does not appear to be an official technical manual published for the Star Trek: Discovery series.
The search results indicate that while there have been technical manuals published for other Star Trek series, such as The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager, there is no mention of a similar manual being released for Discovery.
The search results focus on technical manuals for other Star Trek shows and do not contain any information about a Discovery technical manual. This suggests that Paramount or CBS, the studios behind Star Trek: Discovery, have not commissioned or published an official technical reference book for that particular series."
What technology will Discovery be known for being ahead of real-life. TNG had tablet computers (Padd) and touch screens. TOS had the communicator which mirrored the modern cell phone. Discovery? I can't think of anything. AI? That's not really ahead of the game now. Anything that does look futuristic is simply non-sensical fantasy.
Ironically, Discovery does have a science consultant, a biologist who teaches at Duke University. But if you don't heed the advice of your consultant, then whose fault is when your attempts at science fiction devolve into trashy melodrama checking DEI boxes, rather than stories to inspire thought and expand worldviews.
@@wotaj I'd love to know what detail he has consulted on? Please don't tell me the mycelium network. Lol.
@@stopgeorge No, the Mycelium network comes from the IRL Mycologist Paul Stamets. It's possible they consulted Dr. Mohammed Noor about the Progenitors from TNG "The Chase", since he has talked about that on his TH-cam channel.
@@wotaj On a brief search, I couldn't find anything that he contributed that was a main concept for any of the Nu Trek shows. It seems as though He was just someone who made sure the techno-babble was somewhat plausible and maybe gave the writers ideas for some minor elements on the show.
On the topic of the Progenitors, he indirectly says it's a silly idea...
"One explanation the show offers, from The Next Generation episode “The Chase,” is that four billion years ago something was seeded on Earth, and on Kronos, and on Romulus, and on all these other places, so essentially weʼre all related. It is possible that life on Earth came from life elsewhere, a hypothesis called panspermia. I applaud them for the effort, but thatʼs a little problematic, because why would everything evolve to look so similar? That denies the important role of chance events in evolution."
@@wotaj Erin Macdonald is the chief consultant I have discovered (astrophysicist). In the brief research I've done, it seems like their approach is to be "yes" people to the writers -- and then try to make it make sense in a scientific way. That explains a lot, actually. So, it's not science really driving the ideas of the show. Science is really a supporting role, which I think we all have suspected. From my searching...
"When the writers wanted to include a musical episode in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, Macdonald worked with them to find a scientific explanation that made the concept plausible.
She takes a "yes, and..." approach, looking for ways to make the writers' ideas work from a scientific perspective rather than just rejecting them."
1000 subscribers! Woo hoo!
😃 You took the words right out of my mouth!!!
The ship was even more advanced back in the 23rd century and seems even more advanced than the ships that they have in this 32nd century. It doesn't need warp drive.
Gee, a computer matrix that effects life, atmosphere and matter. Where have I heard that before.
Paging Dr. Marcus. Paging Dr. Carol Marcus.
Ahaha, a series comprised of all Wesley Crushers.
Maybe they’ll pull the last episode of Roseanne where it turns out Wesley Crusher never went with the weirdo to travel the universe but instead has been living in his mom basement writing these new trek stories all along.
We actually see Barclay get chewed out more than once for his "quirkiness". Everyone treats Tilly with kid gloves.
I want more Stamets and Adira solving engineering problems, so we can get some exposition explaining the magic tech better.
Broccoli -- I mean, Barclay -- was a loveable character. Shilly -- I mean, Tilly -- is not.
Gratulations on 1k.
If Rayner was a Medjai, rather than Oded Fehr's Admiral Vance, that would a clever transposition. But it's STD so we know they wouldn't do anything dealing with meta-narrative on purpose.
Fantastic review that hits almost all of my personal grips lmao
NuTrek does not do science. NuTrek does the magic ocarina, which repairs things when you "use your imagination." (STP0109)
I'm guessing the technology is neuro-linked, but it must be linked to the ship's computer to manage all the technicalities of transporting or you'd end up in a wall. Explaining how it works would mean the writers had to follow rules, its easier for them to make technology work like magic and do whatever they want it to do (as long as it looks cool and works with the story). I'd say the writers are very much like the crew of Discovery, so Rayner's behaviour is wrong in their opinion and Tilly is perfectly justified in disrespecting him, she sure is starfleet academy material! I feel sorry for any personalities that aren't "super bubbly!" like hers, they'll all fail.
When you think about everyone having an implanted neuro-link, it definitely raises some questions. For instance, isn't a neuro-link a little too close to Borg tech? -Mollie
When I compare the characters of Tilley vs. Barclay on TNG, I'm left wondering why I distinctly dislike one over the other to such a significant degree. They both started out as similar awkward characters who had much self-doubt. But the difference is that this vulnerability remained with Barclay and I think that's why I liked him so much. Even at the beginning, Tilly had this cartoonish drive to be Captain. Of note, Barclay was juxtaposed with his colleagues who were incredibly professional and he was often intimidated by his superiors (meaning, he implicitly respected the chain of command). We could all relate to that. Tilley completely lost that vulnerability and became this know-it-all preachy sanctimonious focal point of female self-righteousness ("That's the power of math, people!"). She's still remained awkward but she has this extreme tone-deaf smugness that is completely off-putting. And, in this particular episode, they took her self-righteousness to another level -- to the point of insubordination. Imagine if she were with the TNG crew. Even "Q" would have been more welcomed than her. There was one episode when Barclay exhibited the same behavior as Tilly. It was an episode called, "The Nth Degree". He acted like Tilly but, in this case, it was temporary and out of his control due to an alien probe's energy surge. He became all-knowledgeable, and eventually, arrogant and regrettably insubordinate. However, in this case, the entire crew was figuring out a way to make this inappropriate destructive behavior stop. Now, in 2024, this behavior is praised without any sense of self-reflection or humility. Tsk... tsk... How times have sadly changed!
Barclay is one of my all-time favorite characters. And I despise Tilly at this point. The writers have made her so intolerable and unlikeable. I thought she was supposed to be autistic representation, and if that's the case, what they are doing to her character is unconscionable. -Mollie
@@mollieandtheoldman That would have actually been interesting to genuinely have a character on the spectrum. But if she was, why would they not talk about it directly on the show? It would have given her much needed depth of character. That would have been gold for Star Trek. Instead, they just made her irritatingly quirky and sanctimonious in a really shallow way.
There's also something that Wesley, Adira and Tilly do which is to lack seriousness, gravitas and concern. Everything is easy for them. They say everything with a smile. They exude smugness and arrogance.
I think it's disrespectful for all the characters and people who have had to be serious and concerned when they deal with difficult issues. That's why people look professional and have gravitas.
That to me is the worst of what Tilly now does. And I guess we can blame the director because I think Wiseman was fine in the first season.
coming soon...
star trek:discovery
magic manual...
It is so small-minded of Michelle Paradise to use Rayner as a metaphor for the critics. We get it. She hates us.
Well, sorry, you live by the sword and you die by the sword. The cancellor is cancelled.
I am Raynor!
If that's what she's doing, then she's doing it wrong. Rayner appears to be the only competent character on the show. -Mollie 🤣
OMG, I'm just five minutes into your summary and I'm asking, who wrote this? A 10-year-old?
re: STD Technical manual.
You're kidding, right? They just make it up as they go along. The tech does what they think will look cool in the moment. It has no rules or consistency. You're not supposed to understand it, because not even the writers understand it.
There will never be an STD technical manual. No Discovery blueprints. It's not possible because nothing makes sense.
We try to keep an open mind. But at this point it does look like they make up stuff as they go. Which is different than say Voyager's technobabble EXTENDING the rules.
We're open to be wrong if we can get a tech manual describing the Discovery rules. But so far, no one has shared any -- Old Man
There is just no orderly hierarchy in STD. No chain of command in a behavioral sense. I wouldn't have Tilly teach waste extraction let alone the academy.
Tilly learned under Lorca, Burnham and Saru. And whatever off screen stuff she is doing at the academy (which we still don't know what she is teaching). How she thinks she can talk down to a person about leadership who seemingly has decades of experience .... well, that's Secret Hideout Star Trek -- Old Man
This sounds so excruciatingly bad I don't see how you both got through it.
At this point, knowing each episode we finish watching takes the count left to n-1 -- Old Man
Is Dr. Carol Marcus a Progenitor?
The technology problem also relates to story tension and stakes. Michael Burnham has reached her final form this season. She flies around in an Ironman suit. She is able to teleport great and short distances as she requires. And she can summon a phaser or tissue regenerator with a mere wave of her hand, a "hand-wave" if you will. She is not a Starship captain, she is Captain Marvel. She never needs to worry about the vacuum of space nor the sheer force of riding a vessel travelling at lightspeed. She will never have to best an enemy in a struggle for a weapon just out of her reach nor will she ever find herself trapped in a cave or on a precipice. Unless of course the script needs for those things to happen and hey presto, suddenly she is surrounded by magnetic rocks or old school TOS, TNG DS9 bad weather induced interference. Michael Burnham is the "chosen one" as evidenced by the fact that the old Trill lady could finally rest (read die) now that she had passed on the Universe saving clue to the one person worthy of continuing the search. And when this show finally ends and its many many producers (over twenty I believe) can also finally rest safe in the knowledge that they have hired all the diverse folks and given them nothing of value to do, Michael Burnham will have sacrificed her life in order to save all the things only to be resurrected by the maguffin life generator (don't look at the Search For Spock behind the curtain, just ignore it) so that the power of Christmas Kwanza love will show Book how to recreate his stupid planet for love and friendship family luv. I actually wish they could have made just one more season so Burnham could have solved the mystery of the strange disappearance of all the straight white men in the future. It's very concerning, some of best myselves are straight white man.
We made a joke last season about expecting one day that Michael Burnham would go fist to fist w/ a starship (I think that was a derivation of what RLM predicted). In that first episode of this season, that prediction came really really close -- Old Man
@@mollieandtheoldman I missed that but I believe you. It could still happen. I mean, what's a starship to a strong woman who has started a war with the Klingons, defeated the mirror-universe, destroyed a galaxy-threatening killer A.I., mangled a powerful pirate empire, successfully begged for mercy from some goofy planet-eating aliens, deftly solved the mystery of the moronic plot device (burn) and I dunno, got her weirdo live-in boyfriend out of space jail after thinking she had ordered his death. So um...where's Book's ankle bracelet by the way?
Sidenote---Saw an earlier post from another YTuber, saying that Lower Decks run is over. Can you guys confirm that?
Yes. I saw a press release yesterday that season five is the last of Lower Decks. -Mollie
Good riddance.
It took me awhile to build up the resolve the watch this vid… mainly because, based on the title, I suspect that just the description of STD’s content is going to annoy me and after 5 half seasons, or 2 and a half full ones, based on previous Treks, the show should be starting to get good… but it’s woke. It’ll never get good and Hollywood seem fine with that.
I feel sorry for the consumers.
Criticising Star Trek for being woke is like criticising sugar for being sweet, its idiotic. The problem is not the wokness, its the bad writing, atrocious characterisation and storytelling.
I swear they rip off concepts from classic Trek and always make it worse.
I thought it was established in DS9 or even TNG that once a trill leaves its host they have to be put into another one. I don't think they ever showe done could be put back into the pool. Not that I expect these writers to know that. Vulcan purists? Again? Sigh..
I thought the same thing. I assumed the old Trill died and the symbiont swam off to die, too. And the Vulcan purists... I really hope they don't go much further down that racial purity road, but they probably will. -Mollie
Nu Trek writers hate real Vulcans. They adhere to logic too much. That's why they they turned the real Vulcans into purists who resort to terrorism and watered down characters like Spock to the point where they are barely recognizable. And even then, they have the female characters chastise him on SNW.
@@mollieandtheoldman Yeah that's how I remember the Trill being portrayed at least. I guess they can survive without a host as the Dax symbiote was being transported to Trill after.. That decision the writers made which I'm still not fond of. But from what I could understand it needed to be put into another host pretty quickly. I think Bishir says " It needs to get to Trill as quickly as possible". Yeah I hate what they've done to the vulcans. Some of that is Enterprise's fault, though they tried to correct things in the last season. But yeah Vulcan purists doesn't seem like a group that'd be a founding member of the Federation.
I just watched "Booby Trap", and yeah, it comes down to Picard flying the ship instead of the computer... Great review! So glad you guys are so close to 1000 Subscribers! Sub everyone!
Thank you so much! -Mollie 😊
Speaking of relaying pertinent information in 20 words or less, "It's like they made a series that's comprised entirely of Wesley Crushers," is another outstanding summary of this terrible show.
DISCOVERY can really get on a viewer's nerves at times. It is written or overwritten. These season-long arcs are like the worst of the 24 series.
Do they ever use the holodeck on this show? Does the ship even have a holodeck? The holodeck is a huge part of Trek, and maybe a big missing piece of NuTrek is holodeck underuse.
Everyone apparently has a holodeck in their quarters now (sigh). It's another level of stupid "magic" that is never explored in any interesting or fun way. But they show it now and then. David Cronenberg was using it in episode 1 this season.
I know we've seen holodeck capabilities in the crew's quarters, but I don't recall ever seeing an actual holodeck. It's certainly been underutilized if they do have one. That would have been a good way to gain more insight into the crews personalities by seeing them using holonovels in the holodeck, but character development doesn't seem to be an area of strength for the writing staff. -Mollie
@@mollieandtheoldman Maybe they didn't want to fall into the holodeck malfunctions trope, and some of the holodeck stuff is cheesy, but like you suggest, we get a lot of insight into characters during holodeck episodes.
It is magical technology. The writers have no idea how to do any sort of world building, let alone understand how anything works. Which would be fine if the magical technology was consistent, everyone is willing to accept rules of a fictional universe. In our world your not have a space that big re-entering atmosphere. But it's sci fi i have no problem with that, but crashing into the surface to divert an avalanche, and then back up and leave with no damage?!?! That makes no sense.
I think a lot of modern writers don't take the world they are writing in seriously and that puts a serious ceiling in how good your writing can be. Combine that with no understanding of world building and everything is set up to fail.
Imagine if Riker, at some point, started preaching to Picard that his professional leadership style sucks and that the best way forward is to try to be friends with everyone on the ship. Nothing against the actress, but Tilly is one of the worst characters Star Trek ever produced. I'd rather have 2 Wesleys.
They talk about Zora, but never show her/it. Or maybe I just space out sometimes and miss it. Did we used to see characters interact with the computer more in other series?
Shin Hottie is just a weird villain in both Trek and Star Wars. Her motivations seem petty in both universes.
There are times when you see something and your reaction makes you feel like a bad person in ways that you can't share with anyone without being hated. Adira and the person she broke up with, their scenes this episode made me feel like that. It was so cringe, and I hope no one ever interacts like that.
Where are the Klingons?
I still don't know the names of half the characters.
Don't feel too bad. Gray is an android and showed as much emotion as you'd expect to get out of Data when breaking-up with Adira. I hope we don't see the Gray character again.
I have also wondered what happened to the Klingons. I certainly don't remember them addressing it in narrative. I have a feeling they were too much hassle for the showrunners to include past the initial storyline. -Mollie
@@mollieandtheoldman Ugh. The actor who plays Gray is intolerably bad. As for the Klingons, don't worry -- Space Jesus has an intrinsic understanding of them and will speak on their behalf when she eventually becomes the mycelium network.
I said I wasn't going to watch Discovery anymore, but then I watched this video, and decided to suffer with everyone else here.
How is this time period, just coming off a century or so without interstellar travel of any useful speed, worthy to be trusted with the Progenitors' tech? Things seem chaotic, like they are still putting the pieces back together from a more peaceful, safer, time. They will probably realize this, and either be forced to destroy the tech or hide it for another thousand years.
Burnham should have said yes you're right, we're not ready. We just got the Federation back again and we got Earth into the Federation, and Book almost destroyed species 10c.
The only reason this works in Star Trek is that it is set in an optimistic future. Once they took that away to tell they're dramatic stories then you can't do stuff like this.
Also disco is soooo bad. They clearly think they are clever from the name Moll meaning gangster girlfriend in slang and her setup to be forgiven with an hard life. This is not scifi show it's a teen drama. They are again running back to the Genesis device like destruction. The whole concept from season 1 has been terrible and this is more of the same. Between the insipid dialog to the rampant stammering, it's hard to watch or listen too. The self aware comment on Culber being in shape annoyed me. At the end i bet MB will be ensconcsed into the fabric space time like an original and rejected roddenberry script. It fits as this show started with a rejected ship design.
Moll and L'ak didn't get the correct clue on the 1st planet and instead went to Betazed. Then, they spent how much time searching the entire planet of Betazed? Once they realized they didn't have the right clue, they traveled back to the 1st planet. There they once again defeat the electromagnetic field and the defense system. They were then able to figure out Romulan poem structure and was able to find the 5th line of the poem which was hidden underneath the stone monument. They then correctly figured out the 5th line of the poem to lead them to Trill. Then they travelled to Trill, defeated the Trill defenses and correctly found where Burnham and friends are hanging out.
This is all happening at the same time Discovery, using it's pizza mushroom drive, instantly travels from the planet with the 1st clue to Trill.
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Stupid.
Moll and Lock are essentially super-villains. They are basically unstoppable!
@@thecaptain6730 The power of "love" will stop them! Paging, Mr. Lewis. Mr. Huey Lewis.
Well, the power of love is a curious thing. -Mollie 🤣
Actually I couldn't watch the end of the episode - it made me sick so I missed the part with Moll. So I didn't understand your post here until I finished the video, and there she was.
@@mollieandtheoldman 🎵 Make a one Nu Trek cast weep. Make another cast sing. 🎵
Just noticed that was a softball you threw at me, Mollie! 😂
Congrats on reaching 1000! We just started our small chanel: Yelling At Gaseous Anomalies. So we'd be happy to have you as a sub and well shout you too as you guys do great work! Thanks for suffering through Disco and other shows for the nu Trek era!
Subbed! -Mollie 😊
@@mollieandtheoldman Thanks! See you out there!
I agree that the strip mining of ideas from better shows is bad. But I've said this before, even with the Star Trek "themes" or "ideas" set aside - the writing of this show is terrible.
Just regular continuity, like A leads to B then leads to C is extremely bad. The dialogue is trash and at many times makes no sense. The basic logic is so weak and nonsensical. The plot convenances are so numerous and huge that borders on the ridiculousness. Like the Old Man said, the technology is nonsense and magic.
Forget that this is suppose to be a Star Trek show. This is just a badly written show.