Menz Liliput Pocket Pistols: 4.25mm and 6.35mm
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- The Liliput was made by the August Menz Company in Germany during the 1920s, in several variations. It was introduced in both 4.25mm and 6.35mm (.25 ACP) and also later offered in 7.65mm (.32ACP). These were typical defensive pistol chambering at the time, although the 6.35mm version was much more popular than the 4.25mm one. They are simple blowback pistols, and competed against similar but more successful designs like the FB Baby Browning, Walther Model 9, and Mauser 1910. For a detailed history of the Menz Company and its pistols, check out Ed Buffaloe’s page:
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Ha!
Just casually whips out a kolibri for scale
"Excuse me while I whip this out." - Gun Jesus
As one does, I mean, who hasn't just casually pulled out a Kolibri?
@@turbowolf302 hahaha.
It's gotta be Ian's EDC.
@@johnanon6938 so glad you brought that up
The perfect pistol to take to a 2-gun match with a Boys Anti-Tank Rifle.
Boys II Menz
"Just for references sake here's the 2mm Kolibri" he says and just casually takes one out from below the frame and puts it on the desk.
Are you questioning the powers of gun jesus?
They are sized much more like the kolibri than that Luger. I can't imagine what else you could use to show the size of those. A Bic lighter?
4 years later but the purpose of this comment baffles me... what else would he possibly do besides put a Kolibri on the desk, after saying hes gonna show a Kolibri.... Its a size comparison. Naturally hes gonna put said Kolibri pistol on the desk. Is this supposed to be a joke of some kind? 🤷♂️ maybe i just dont understand modern humor.
@@ZANGELIX1263 normally when you make reference to another obscure and rare thing you might not have one handy, and so you maybe edit in a photo of one into the video.
You are a victim of what is called overthinking and then overexplaining your overthinking by trying to mock it as weird humor. Maybe relax and post less.
Ian’s EDC contains everything.
In the thumbnail they didn't look too small, but as soon as the video starts you realise just how tiny winy they are.
KTo288 Baby Browning vs .50 BMG:
i.imgur.com/5T4mBya.jpg
Either that or Ian's a giant
Imagine someone tries mugging you with one of these
Squirrels need the right to bear arms too.
Bearing arms, arming bears.
@@chrishanson9748 Science Fiction author Gordon R. Dickson released a compilation novel containing 3 novelettes, called _The Right to Arm Bears._
@@tarmaque Entertaining books. RIP Gordon R. Dickson.
@@neutralobserver3423 Indeed. But I'm still mad at him for never finishing _The Childe Cycle_ before he died. All the while writing an endless series of _The Dragon and the George_ fluff novels.
Lol that would be scary
No antibiotics you say, these wee buggers make alot more sense
"Stay back or you'll die of infection"
👉
Ahahahaha!!! Just simply fill one of these hollow points with pure liquid nicotine and then they die of nicotine overdose..... super kraykray
@@austinsears1637 to be fair that's actually not a terrible idea hmm🤔
@@austinsears1637 isn't pure nicotine a crystal at room temperature?
Yep, that's why the .22 short was actually quite effective these days. As the late Barry on IV8888 pointed out in their vid about how far a 22 will kill:"You WILL die from a 22 back in those days - not immediately, but over a couple of days."
Must resist making a joke about men's pocket lilliputs
Menz Liliput. When you absolutely positively have to get a good present to that lovely Texan lady next door.
This pistol easily wits in womens pockets.
Texan? You better give her an AR-15 then :) .
@@kentchr76 Not in 1927 you're not ;D
RedShocktrooper Lol that’s true :) .
No joke I got my granny a .25 browning and she carries it 24/7
In the immortal words of Mae, "It's so wee!"
John Preisler thats what she said
Gross.
I love how at the end of each video Ian says “Hopefully you enjoyed the video...” I think it’s safe to say that everyone here enjoys every video Ian has ever done. Hopefully Ian keeps this up for a very long time to come.
My great grandpa brought one back from wwii and shot opossums in this garden with it. It is a 6.35 and he used 25 auto, it blew up one time he shot, it is fine but it is missing the piece that you push to disassemble it.
"But when would you use an underwear gun?"
"Hopefully never."
@@slamblamboozled1245 inalienable ant arms?
How would it be safe $ex, without propper armament?
@@bulldowozer5858 Depends if you get an accidental discharge i guess?
@voice of raisin I hear penicillin is good for that sort of thing. :-P
They've got great stopping power, I hear.
Love unusual guns like this, the rarer, uglier, not effective, unreliable, badly made the better for a collector like me.
Agreed, we need another Chinese mystery pistol video!
@@etelmo Yeah something full auto, rougher than a badgers anus and dangerous to the user, I love them all.
@@silverfingerthesilverstack5062 Perfect, sadly we would never see a live fire demonstration of such a beast...
@@etelmo Thats what a table, vice and a long piece of string was designed for lol
@Scumfuck McDoucheface But only if we can see a live fire, now that would be interesting.
17 ft/pounds!
That's still 5ft/pounds more than we're permitted for air rifles in the UK and 11 more than air pistols.
@Christie Malry So you and a couple of your friends all managed to get a pellet embedded into your bodies? How irresponsible were you guys? Maybe if they were a higher fpe you guys would have had more respect. 12 fpe can still be lethal by the way.
@Christie Malry Here on brazil last week a kid died by a shot made with an b3 chinese air rifle (they have like 7-7.5 ft/lbs I think)
12 ft/lbs can definetively kill a kid and even an adult, that law doens't make any sense in terms of safety
@Christie Malry the b3 airguns for sale here gives a maximum of 470 fps with a 14.6 grain pellet, never seen one with more fps than that
Here we dont have power limits and doens't have 'dozens of kids killed' by those scary powerful airguns
In fact when some kid dies is generally because an very old rossi dione or a cbc 145 (some brazilian made airgun that gives about 5 ft) that they reach on the basement of their grandfathers
@Christie Malry and you just dont throw a gun in the hands of a untrained kid
First make clear what are the safety rules with guns
Apparently the dinky 4.25 is legal by virtue of it being "obsolete"
Forget accidental discharge, there’s a High chance of choking on it.
That’s what she or he said.
Ahahahaha!!! Facts!!!
The Liliput was mentioned by Ian Fleming in the Bond books, as a backup gun and as an alternative to Bond's .25 Beretta (PPK was used at the only at the end of the book series). Fleming apparently was very familiar with their use as assassin's weapons.
IIRC, is it not mentioned in the books when they issue him the PPK that it is as a replacment for the Beretta that "failed" him? I only heard this second hand so i have no idea if it´s true, and if by "failed" they meaned jammed or failed to get noticible effect on target.
@@BigSwede7403 It failed to stop an assailant and injured him, being only a .25 ACP it's replaced by... a .32 ACP. Honestly why not just get a 9mm at that point.
@@BigSwede7403 fleming intended killing bond off after from russia with love and concentrate on a tv series commander jamaica .had written 6 episodes which later became dr no and the stories in for your eyes only. rosa klebb kills him with a poisened [fugu fish}shoe.his silencer jams in his shoulder holster.in the comeback dr no [tv series fell through]m replaces it with a smith and wesson .38 airweight and a ppk in .32 not .380 as you might expect as he feels the gun could let him down again.this was due to fleming like most of brits who served in the war having little interest in the guns they were issued as long as they worked! and handguns being a very small part of our culture.a gunsmith wrote to him and pointed out that the two guns he recommended the .38 and ppk were more suitable than a .25.as it was bond carried his ppk in a shoulder holster which was actually a berns martin clip on belt holster for the smith and wesson. actually fleming was right at the start.a soe oss exhibit in the imperial war museum reveals that our wartime spies almost exclusively used .25 s as a carry piecee.easily concealable and really the weapon of last resort either to kill or take your own life! dont forget bond also had a colt .45 in his car and a snipers rifle for anticipated firefights. the liliput is not mentioned in fleming but does crop up in alistair maccleans where eagles dare.and robert shaw in from russia also carries a .25 to kill bond!
@@Nukle0n While i agree completly, i think they were kind of limited in what they could pick. They sure was not going to let Bond carry a Makarov, the FN 1903 was probably too heavy. Don´t know if the 9mm short version of the PPK was available then?
@@BigSwede7403 The first James Bond novels were from the early 50's. I would think with how much he uses his gun, carrying an FN Hi-Power should not really have been that much of a stretch but yeah for something a bit more concealable that spy could carry, the .380 PPK would probably have been more preferable compared to the vimpy .32, esp if your problem with a .25 ACP is that it won't stop a guy.
When he put the luger in as a size comparison I burst out laughing
So Menz got bought out by Bergmann???
So I suppose that this is a continuation of the “Forgotten Bergmanns” era of this page?
Fascinating and very comprehensive video, 👍( for those who mock the power of even the tiny 4mm, 17ft lbs will kill a man with a head shot ( 3ft lbs penetrates rabbit skulls)
The trick is - stuff the other guy with as many bullets as you can. One bullet is just test of fortune.
always go for center mass
You could always go for a 'throat punch' with authority... ;-)
Can we expect something related to the 80th anniversary of the outbreak of WW2 anytime soon? Any Polish weapons on auction or something?
80 years ago Today at 4:44am Eu time. Germany invades poland and starts ww2 . in two days on Tuesday at 11pm europe time. Uk and france declares war. 80 years ago today ww2 has begun
@@keanur6541 80 years ago first German bombs fell on The defenceless city of Wieluń, at 4:40 AM. Mere two hours later my hometown, Krosno, was also bombed. The first minutes of the Polish campaign gave way for a war that would change the world and humanity forever.
@@janwacawik7432 60+million died within 6 years. Just shows how devastating war is. I always felt sympathy for the polish. Always caught in the middle. How are things in poland these days.. Greetings from south africa
@@keanur6541 Peace at last. Of course, the politicians are bickering as always, but from a simple citizen's standpoint, things are better than anyone can remember. Economy is on the rise, the demography is better than in other EU countries. I'm happy to live in such a time and graceful to all who fought to make things as they are now, including my ancestors. Greetings to you too, friend.
Great way to start my day, thanks Ian! Love the noisey crickets!
amenz? sounds like gangsta ending a prayer.
*praya
@@stevejohnson6593 Ugh. The first comment was barely funny, you're pushin' it.
2mm and 4.25mm,perfect for stopping a charging June bug
i think people underestimate the amount of damage that these small calibre rounds do.
You would not want to be gutshot with either one of these, this was in the days before antibiotics, so you'd probably slowly die in a hospital.
Well they certainly aren't going to overestimate them
I wouldn't say they had stopping power, but I bet they hurt like hell.
Alistair McCLean kept mentioning these in his books, but he was hardly an expert. Thanks for showing what they were actually like.
Gosh i remember that! I think he described the little one as "the smallest really effective pistol" or some such.
Probably right he was not expert but... Not complaining, I loves his stories as a kid.
The author Alister MacLean mentioned the 4.25mm variant in several of his action/adventure books. I just read "Fear is the Key" having seen the movie made from the book.
That was the Where Eagles Dare dude right?
After seeing the Liliput disassembled, I can definitely see where the old Raven Arms pistols got their designs.
These are normal size. It's the Luger, the ultra rare .50 cal model, that's bigger. 🤣🤣🤣
And Gun Jesus is a giant.
Oh, I see. This weapon was made to be pulled out of nowhere, when you are getting jumped, the robber can't use his knife, because you have made this a gunfight!
How long was ammo available for the 4.25?
I have one of these, a model 1927 in .25 ACP... fantastic gun and an absolute meme
Don't think for a moment your fan base did not hear the change in pitch when you were discussing the 4.25 mm pistol. Angling for work as a voice artist Ian? (Greetings from the U.K.)
I don't know about everyone else but I don't want to be shot with _any_ gun. Even a .22 short NAA mini revolver is scary. I carry a 9mm but if I were unarmed and someone pointed one of these 4.25 liliput pistols at me I would most likely comply with whatever he or she told me to do.
Becker and Hollender, like in the Beholla pistol? I had one of those. Same design as the Menta.
Had you posted this, say, 9 hours ago, this would have came out on Saturday night. That would have been much more fitting for the design and appearance.
4:11 Ian’s comedic timing is, as always, impeccable
Always been fascinated with the mechanics of guns. Miniaturization is another aspect of just how interesting and varied pistol designs can be.
Is that a pistol in your pocket or are you mildly pleased to see me?
WOW .25acp 65 ftlbs .22lr 130 ftlbs that makes the. 22lr look like a man stopper with twice the power
Is that from a rifle length barrel, though?
If your .22 lr has a barrel long enough to get the velocity to get that energy figure it probably won't fit in your shirt pocket. 80fpe from a pocket pistol length barrel is much more reasonable. Speaking of which, I have a j-22 I rebarreled and need to Chrono..
IAN LOOKED LIKE HE. GOT GIANTIZED AT FIRST VIEW
Oh
New rapper!
Lil gun?
So Ian’s everyday carry is a Kolibri, a Luger and a China Lake
Based on a lot of things I've read over time, .22 LR has a 50% one hit fight stoppage rate. Just the act of being shot makes a lot of people stop fighting regardless of how much damage the wound caused, so in that 6.35mm would stop a lot of people with a single hit as well.
OwO *THEY'RE SO CUTE I'M MELTING*
*Notices you pocket pistol*
OwO what’s this!
Thanks, I hate this
..... Have a like
But now imagine a 4.25mm in full-auto.
Where can you get 4.25 mm bullets that's what 17 caliber I think
Advertising from the Menz Wearhouse: You're going to like your pistol. I guarantee it.
Kind of reminds me of a ortiges 6.35 pistol
only man on the planet still carrying kolibri in change pocket gun Jesus AMEN
I regularly carry a beretta jetfire. I love pocket pistols, just so neat.
These look like a 25 acp no name found on crack dealers on the 90s COPS show
Cute gats for Barbie & Ken.
口径や作動形式、大小にかかわらず、銃は道具でしかないのだから刻印説明など正直どうでもいい。内部構造が見たい。完全分解/組み立てして説明せずに蘊蓄ばかり語っているのであれば、動画でなくポッドキャストかなんかで良いんじゃないのかな？長々と喋りまくりたいなら動画でなくていいし、銃本体を見せる必要もないはずだから。銃器系動画だから主役はこの拳銃（弾倉含む）だろう。解説している人物ではない！
I guess it's safe to assume the name is a reference to Gulliver's Travels based on the size.
Ok...this should have been in
BF V...or a modern ww2 game just for shits and giggles.
Tiny, but still deadly if you aim right
reminds me of a certain video by corridor digital
The Beholla/Menz/Stenda/Leonhardt story seems to be EXTREMELY tangled, with many different (and mutually incompatible) versions existing. The Unblinking Eye/Guns website version, which Ian uses here, seems to be the best researched to date.
I like your video but i want see the ammo for complete it ?? Even in picture.... 25 evfr ypeople know but 4,25 how look it ?? You dont own an ammo... just an inert cartridge ? ...SORRY IF IHAD MISSED IMAGE....
The 4.25mm Liliput, Germany's smallest biological weapon.😂
In the book "Service arms of the South Australian Police : 1838 to 1988, the first 150 years" by Max Slee, he states that when the Women's Police Force was established in this state, they carried in their purses various guns confiscated from criminals,- including a Liliput semi-automatic. It would be interesting to know what calibre it was - can you imagine a female Officer armed with a 4.25 saying to a hardened criminal "Stop, or I'll shoot!" She'd probably get laughed at !
Was the 4.25mm also center fire? I ask, because many people have said that 6.35mm Browning (.25acp) is that smallest possible size that a center fire cartridge could ever be... and I thought that could be true. I looked up the 4.25mm liliput bullet... and it does appear to be a smaller center fire bullet. I'm really surprised by that. (Then again, I've heard "smallest gun ever made" on several occasions and have since found smaller and smaller firearms. the 4.25mm may be the smallest besides the Kolibri (which is completely useless as a self defense weapon, while the 4.25mm wouldn't be completely useless).
23 joules for 4.25.
Floberts CB 6mm have energy 40J.
Im surprised my gallery gun gave more energy than this beaty.
The thumbnail did not prepare me for how small these are
Damn you TH-cam .
This looks like the deliverer
Internet research indicates the 6.35mm gun weighs just a little bit more than 2 rounds of .50 BMG M2 ball. The 4.25mm one weighs about the same as 7 rounds of 7.62mm M80 ball.
I have an excellent 1926 Liliput 6.35 version. Works great. I can't find anywhere that tells how to take the firing pin and spring out. Does anyone know how?
Liliput is quite a clever name for a small pistol.
Wait wait. 2mm? Seriously? So a box of 50 is about the size of a packet of gum? Designed for hunting mosquitos? I kinda want one.
What is this, a pistol for ants?
Nah, for Lilliputians...
Adolph Hitler supposedly owned a Lilliput in 6.35 (25 acp) in addition to his Walther PPK. Had a special pocket in his pants to carry the gun
1 gram at 250ms is just about dangerous. takes 2 layers of kevlar to stop it. But it can do great deal of damage up close, head or vital organs etc. i wonder if it requires ffl in usa...
BTW here's the kolibri for scale
I need help guys. I have a Menz 7.65 Mark II and the firing pin is missing. I need a manual or something to get the part machined. Can anyone help?? Ian? Help! :)
Just to be clear, 23 joules is how much energy this firearm can put into a person. The average output of a normal person throwing a punch is 37.5 joules.
I don't know why, but for some reason those medallions in the grip plates are quite visually appealing. Generally speaking I'm not a fan of that sort of embellishment but it looks "right" on these pieces.
Coral
My dad when he fought in ww2, picked up a Becker and Hollander pistol off a dead German officer. Will you do a Becker and Hollander video, or are the pistols too rare?
I wonder if the criminal of the time, having the knowledge of the likelihood of infection and complications of being shot, would be more dissuaded by that type of firearm than criminals would be today.
It comes in two cartridge sizes: useless, and totally useless. Not that I wouldn't have one, of course ;)
Pocket pistols such as these and the Weimar Republic era seem to go together somehow. I can see a drunken, disappointed actress pointing one at Josef von Sternberg in a studio dressing room.
They look like starting pistols!
Menz (probably doing heroin), it'll grow!
What every artist needs in their paint box if you can’t afford an Apache duster.
Never attend a gunfight with a gun whose caliber doesn't start with a a four...
To bad it isn't in 4.20
my ninja
I never knew the Smurfs had a service pistol
A "Liliputaner" was an old German (now probably political incorrect) name for Midgets
That word comes from the fictional island of Liliput in Jonathan Swift's novel "Gulliver's Travels", by the way.
@@nindger4270 yeah, I was just reading about that because honestly, I never knew where it came from.
7:45 What if you nullified that though...full auto pocket pistol 🤔
I just noticed this pistol in the old movie "Metropolis." Did some research and here I am.
When Hans takes out ze Luger, something is about to go down. When Ian breaks out the Luger, he needs it for scale. Shoulda used a banana for scale, but my man used what he had.
Bananas vary greatly in length and girth.
Carry it if you wish but never load it. If you load it you might shoot it. If you shoot it you might hit someone. If you hit someone they might notice it. If they notice it they might become angry and hurt you.
Please do a review on cz45 pocket pistol chamber in 6.35mm... please!!! Many thanks
Didn't Bonnie Parker (of Bonnie and Clyde) use one of these?
Loool sadly ammo must be really rare an expensive ,, ,! ( for the little )
Love to see one of the 4-1/4 being shot with a disabled disconnect be an interesting noise full auto
4.25mm ... for when you really, REALLY have to stop a semi-rabid hampster. ;)
Just make sure you shoot it between the eyes...they charge when wounded
Reminds me of the Ortgies pistols I used to have...
Anti-MateriAl pistol, it can go through paper.
Cool video. I recall from my schooldays in the 1970's, when Alistair MacLean was mandatory reading for all boys, one of his novels had a nasty villain with a penchant for a 4.25mm Liliput, which in those pre-internet days made it an object of speculative technical conversation without anyone actually knowing what the gun looked like...
Make a luger look like a hand canon... buy a liliput.