Jj is very quick and witty and good with words. And obviously knowledgeable. But sometimes I see him as that women that keeps arguing that point even tho he's wrong but keeps going because he sounds believable with his choice words and makes him seem like he's right
Yes, because he actually analyzes basketball, whereas SAS just makes lazy takes. The way SAS speaks so authoritatively is to compensate for the fact that he doesn't really know what he's talking about.
Never seen JJ get heated, and awesome to see that he can also stay articulate at the same time. Appreciated him as a player but appreciate him even more now as a former great player turned great analyst.
@@ty101ty Did say, I've never seen, not that he has never been. Just saw the uploaded clip 10 hours ago with Maddog. 😂 Looking forward to him getting baited more often.
@@robertjones3330 real talk he’s dead on about the physicality part. Yea they played tougher back then but it was less movement. Today with how fast it is I’d be more worried about getting injured now then then. In the 90s you expected to get tackled so breached for impact. In todays game you’ll be running up the floor for the 200 th time already and pop. There goes your acl
The Lakers are the best franchise in NBA history and they go hire a guy who has no experience and never been to a champion game as player. They need heart and shooter's not a no name NBA analyst that is cool with a player.
@@bondbarrybonds5774 JJ ain’t perfect but depending on what you like… Giannis can easily be left out off a top four list. If it’s dominance? Giannis is number one but if it’s skill? Just saying I won’t argue.
I LOVE JJs take, It drives me crazy when people don't understand that the illegal defense changes were far more important that the fouls. For the same reason, Kobe Bryant's career is horribly underrated, as the game took a while to adjust to the new rules and add a lot of shooters to space the floor, Kobe faced constant soft double and triple teams, something that Jordan just never had to deal with.
@ebb1432 Kobes game was elite.What he's talking about is that kobe could get double or triple teamed and it was legal.That was illegal in jordan era.Kobe didn't give a F*** and still shot the ball while being surrounded by multiple players.He took bad shots unlike jordan that's why his shooting % was lower.Most of his teammates were lazy so he disnt want to pass them the ball.😂
What you left out is it was fairly easy to double if not triple team Kobe because his passing ability was mediocre at best, making him predictable on offense, everybody knew he wanted to shoot it. LeBron on the other hand is an elite passer, so if you consistently soft double, he is going to kill you all day long with court vision. Kobe would shoot threw doubles which hurt his efficiency significantly, however, Bron would just find the open man, forcing you to stay honest defensively allowing open lanes for himself.
@@YourWrongImRight933 thats exactly what he said. no one is yelling, hes referring to ppl like stehpen a who yell to get their point across, now, are u okay?
@@johnpu605 it wasn’t that physical bro y’all act like they were throwing punching every possession, like jj said go watch that finals vs the suns. The game today not only has way more talented & athletic players but includes defense that is harder to play against cause zone was literally illegal to play in MJs era you couldn’t leave your guy to give help so MJ wasn’t dealing with help defenders. Lebron would’ve broke the record years ago if he only ever had to face man defense.
JJ and Tim Legler are the best thing to happen to NBA talk on ESPN. Whether you agree or disagree, they bring experience as NBA players and facts, not fluff, to their arguments.
Legler is the best former player analyst on ESPN. Perkins is in the business of opinion. Carter is there to comment dunks. Ogwumike is promoting anything that ties to her origins. JJ is defending the era, he played in.
Exactly bro🤣 Stephen A saying what hall of famers have told me …. The same one’s that don’t like lebron cause he threatened all their legacy an break all the records they once had ??? Yeah I’m sure they’ll be unbiased
Best take of JJ’s career. I wish I could describe what I’ve been saying for years, but I’ve never played basketball at that level before. I appreciate JJ articulating this reality. I dare those guys from the 90s to play at this pace. Guys like Hakeem and MJ could have did it with others. Those guys and others took care of their bodies, which I don’t think the majority of the league did so like this before Kobe/Bron/Steph era. Evolution should mathematically tell us how much harder it is to do it now. The amount of endurance required these days is insane
@@iamawin8272 i mean... his point was basically that it's harder to be a scorer in the modern NBA, but if the average NBA player is scoring at a much higher rate then that doesn't really hold up.
nah this is a really bad take lmao. Offensive players have way more freedom than they ever had in the past. The defense thats played today with things like the 3 second rule, or hand checking, have handicapped defensive players heavily while allowing offensive players to work virtually unbothered.
you guys don't get it, ones you compare LeBron to other legends speciall Wilt, Kareem Kobie and MJ I guarantee there's gonna be war. I didn't witness them except MJ and Kobie, but we should not disrespect the other legends so easily like Karrem 6 rings as a scoring leader of all time for so long but not a GOAT? Because his not all around position in 80s? now LeBron is the Goat the greatest scorer of all time? Because of same achievement if we not bias that is ridiculous remember LeBron James is the most supportive Carrer in history social media and cherry picking super team much more power than coach and stuff I ever witness I wonder why some of his fans want more but it's not cuz debate can't be settled forever, ESPN and fans support LeBron by saying LeBron deserve to have a championship without winning the league that's ridiculous LeBron needs help etch he got everything he needs whats more? but majority of peaple not saying his not the greatest of all but sadly his fans are want more that makes them sad. LeBron gain another achievement as a legacy which Wilt, next is Kareem and that's phenomenal too 👍🏻
@@malikalihudin6460Reading your comment almost gave me a stroke. I think where the conversation gets emotional is when someone is basically saying who they feel is the greatest. To be the greatest scorer in NBA history, what do you need to achieve? JJ stated his career PPG is essentially 3rd all time, has most career points, is 4th in assists,4 MVPs, 4 rings / 4 Finals MVPs (on 3 different teams), and has played for the last 20 years evolving with the ever-increasing pace of the game. SAS responds with “Not to take anything away from Lebron, but the game was more physical for MJ and Kareem than for Lebron, so it was harder to score” Excuses.
i swear JJ Redick is one of the smartest NBA analysts i've seen in my life. he's very well educated on the game through playing and watching and he is so well spoken that his points MAKE SENSE!!! love watching his podcast the old man and the three. keep killin it JJ
Why is Mad Dog even allowed to talk about basketball on television? We need more people like JJ who understand the greatness of all eras not just the 90's and earlier.
NO WE DONT BECAUSE WILT BEAT PRIME JABBAR. SHOW ME JORDAN BEAT JABBAR IN HIS 40 OF AGE ?? JJ WHO CANT SHPOOT IN PLAYOFF WHO CANT JUMP CANT RUN CANT PLAY DEFENSE. THAT GUY WHO TRY TO TALK ?? SHALL I CALL JJ BAREA TO BEAT LEOVERRATED AGAIN IN FINALS...
@@Luka-nw6kc apologize for what? Clearly you're just a hater. I still think MJ is the GOAT, but context matters and that's what JJ is talking about. He brings context and facts and not just stupidity like you. Btw, despite MJ being the GOAT for me, I know he wouldn't be as great as he was without the bulls management from the owner to the GM, specially the GM, at that time, each and every move he made was genius. He brought in Phil, which got Scottie to play as well as he has in that system and gave him the confidence to be a defensive specialist and a versatile player, and MJ buying in to trusting his teammates, also throwing away the coke bulls roster for the one that was always fighting for Eastern conference supremacy until they got over the Pistons and won 3 chips, then upon retirement the team was fine even without MJ because of the pieces he got like Kerr and others, then getting Rodman and Kukoc which made them a legendary team with the 2nd most regular season wins. It's not all MJ, but he's still the GOAT despite all of that in my eyes. Though you can't seem to see how great other players are because you're a narrow minded bigot
JJ brought up a very valid point about the pace of possessions. As an exercise science/kinesiology major, we learn that the leading cause of injury across the board is “wear and tear” and stress on the tendons/ ligaments (micro tears) without a proper and lengthy recovery. Your body needs proper and quality time to recover especially in joints with the ball and socket mechanism due to them having great mobility, but less stability. Exercise at a high intensity/pace day in and day out is incredibly taxing on the body even with proper strength and mobility exercises. You must also think about cartilage degeneration with repeated action over time. Staying healthy and on top of your game for as long as Lebron has is mind-boggling and many suspect him of taking/spending millions on researched steroids without significant adverse effects to enhance his recovery to an unprecedented degree.
Lebron is naturally a genetic freak anyway, but it's easier for him to stay healthy with modern medicine. It's well documented how much money he spends maintaining the health of his body, along with today's rules where you're not hitting the hardwood or being abused on the court nearly as often. All of this coupled that with load management... It's still impressive, no doubt, but let's consider everything.
The entire time, all Stephen A does here is give LeBron backhanded compliments. Stephen A and Skip have done more bad for the game of basketball then good, dividing the fanbase with “who’s better” and never allowing fans to enjoy players’ greatness. On the night LeBron surpasses Kareem, it’s crazy that MJ is still being mentioned here, just give the man his flowers bro ffs 🤦🏻♂️
Y’all boys grew up too sensitive & feminine . The dude said bron second all time but he not better than Jordan. How is that a backhanded compliment. Get off bron sack he got a wife
Stop crying the who's better talk been going on forever in all forms of entertainment. It has nothing to do wit dividing fanbases. That always been the the fun part about sports besides playing,having debates about it.
Before social media, there wasn't this constant need to crown one person the G.O.A.T and shortchange everybody else. I remember centers Russell vs Wilt. Later, Kareem being compared to both. Guards Oscar vs West. Later it was Magic vs Bird. There was always debate about who was better, but with one big difference. Before social media, being "one of the all-time greats" was enough. People didn't need to crown one person and downgrade everybody else with the condition, "Yeah but he's not... (fill in the blank)". I wish people would acknowledge LeBron James for his greatness without the disclaimer that he'll never be Jordan. It's unfair and petty.
Yup and Jordan will never be Lebron. Dude is incredible all around player. Feel like it all came down to championships for people in a team sport lol. This isn’t tennis.
@@ryanmussell739 Not a hockey fan, but I know enough to know Gretzky is universally accepted as the G.O.A.T. because he demolished all the scoring records. Has anyone since come close to legimately challenging Gretzky?
@@TheLirJEt86 I get what you're saying, and I make the same point. The number of rings can be part of the equation, but not everything in a team sport. Nobody can win it by themselves. And my answer to those who overstate the number of rings, is that means Bill Russell will always be the G.O.A.T. Wake me up when somebody wins 12.
I dont think I see that comment often. Ive seen it, but it isnt that common. I think most people just are aware of that, well, are aware as they are aware of the existence of oxigen, but just dont say it that often. Which is weird, since it is a fact, like it is a fact the existence of oxigen. Also a fact, is that MJ did it while being ALLWAYS the dominance force of NBA (except for the years out and the Washington years). Some people just want for a contemporary player to be the goat, which isnt true.
@@kenneth9338 Lebron was literally the entire topic of discussion in the video. Lebron as compared to Kareem and Jordan. Not sure how you missed it, when that’s who JJ is vouching for endlessly.
@@Wyly37 Telling lies? Where what lies was he telling? What does race have to do with this? I'm black and can tell that J.J. is more poised and collected than alot of people so whats your point here? Please think before you comment some nonsense like this.
@@micahkibe3406 he full of lies. He can’t with a straight face tell you what LJ does better than Jordan. Jordan is far more skilled than LJ in any era. If LJ, a known trash jump shooter for most his career, can develop a decent jump shot from 3 MJ most certainly could too. As a matter of fact, MJ has a fantastic 3pt % from 3 in all 6 Finals appearances. 42/113 for 36.8% in a none 3 point shooting era. He was on the cusp of being deadly from 3 if that is where the game went. JJ is a woke athlete trying to tarnish MJs legacy
@@114D Cherry-picking one finals performance doesn’t help ur case for jordan being a better 3 point shooter than lebron. Jordan i doesn’t know you I hope you know that…
all “calm down” from SAS means is.. woah you’re making a little bit too much sense and you’re actually beating me in this debate, let me say a few things so i can distract the people at home ☠️☠️🤷🏽♂️
Agreed with JJ on this, I have also noticed that during 90's, while it's a bit more physical, there are many times the players are just standing doing nothing. The sports today have evolved to continuous movement which is more physically demanding long term. JJ somebody with a different insight of the game. Nice.
I just watched a game between the Memphis grizzlies and the Timberwolves. The Timberwolves stood and watched jaMorant score on them undefeated because he's unstoppable just like jordan and all the other greats. He was in their head before the game began.
One thing that is not considered is that the league is way more talented now, and kids are playing basketball more and at earlier ages, which contributes to a lot of injuries in the game now. The fact that Bron has been able to play this long and be this good for this long is nearly impossible, and it’s a testament to his greatness
Also, the spacing that is given now allows for more points. Unlike in the 90's where you could hand check people. I think if the NBA continues like this someone will catch Lebron's scoring title eventually.
@@iamtheonlywilly did u not just hear jj take on defense in the 90s there was more space to score in that era if you ran a 3-2, 4-1 offense. now days those offenses dont even work.
In 10 to 15 years they the young people will feel the same about you and your generation and I will be laughing when it happens. When they diminish LeBron for Luka or Jokic and when they diminish Steph for Ja or somebody like him ya'll will be burnt up.
@@17thN.O Not really. I’m fine with accepting that the future players will be better than the current players. That’s a truth to life that the young generation has accepted already & the old generation still has trouble with. When the next stars that surpasses Lebron, Luka, & Giannis comes up, I’ll cheer him on, instead of hate on him like the older generation does right now.
That's actually great point there. They like to recognize the evolution of the game from wilt era to Mj but says that the Lebron era did not evolve as well.
Mad Dog thinks anybody that played/competed during his childhood and 20s is the greatest ever lol. 100 points is crazy but he did shoot 32 free throws and take 63 FGA. If Kobe had taken that many shots in his 80-point game, he would have ended with 150.
@@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains wow the stupidity of these comment apparently u have never watched a 90s game I can show u bad defense after bad defense in today’s game it’s actually a joke.
Something I feel people aren't talking about enough is that he did it without essentially a top 3 point gaurd of all time like Kareem and Malone did. A greater percentage of his buckets were created by himself.
Context matters. The game was played differently and Lebron is the guard with the ball in his hand so of course he is creating more of his own shots. Yes it is definitely impressive but Kareem and Malone aren’t wings that move like guards. Come on now.
the argument is simple here... Stephen A: LeBron is second because MJ suffered more to get his points, even though they are much lesser JJ Redick: Fair Point, but MJ might have suffered only a little bit more over a shorter period of time. LeBron, suffered a little but for significantly longer and is still being nearly as good as MJ in his prime.
@@RunningRugby4 That's what Kevin Garnett said. Technically, and literally, LeBron is the greatest scorer (he said). Mike (and Kobe) had 12 seasons with 25 or more points per game. LeBron has 19 straight seasons with 25 or more points. 10x top 3 in ppg, 13x top 5 in ppg, 8 seasons in a row with the 2nd most total points, and later the 1st most points in the league. It's not longevity alone, but very high points per season as well.
in what ways? Being better at something for longer doesnt make that person a best at it. It is one of the arguments but is not the end all be all. For example. hank aaron is the homerun king, but why is he not considered the best homerun hitter of all time?
But he is wrong. Lebron is at best 3rd greatest scorer of all time, at best 3rd best scorer. He has most points than everyone else, but that's the record for longevity, congratulation to Lebron because he jas the most consistent scorer in the history of this game and that's why he has the most points ever, but we also have to talk about their peak. I'm sorry, but Jordan won 10 SCORING TITLES IN HIS 13 SEASONS WITH CHICAGO, 10 SCORING TITLES. He has highest points per game average in NBA history in both regular season and play offs. Lebron won only 1 scoring in his career and some people can argue that Lebron wasn't even the best scorer in his era because 2010s was clearly Lebron's era, he was the best in that time, you can argue that Kevin Durant was better scorer than Lebron. More points eopr game in his best season, 4 scoring titles, much more efficient player than Lebron and simply when ypu watch jow he plays, he is probably the most versatile scorers of all time. Jordan was light years better scorer than everybody else when he played, miles ahead of the rest of the competition and to say that Lebron with 1 scoring title and with his scoring recordis the greatest scorer in the history of this game is to me ultimately too much. 1. Jordan 2. Kobe 3. Lebron /KD/Kareem.
Yea he just knows the game now. Anybody who knows history know Jordan, Wilt are top 2 greatest scorers. He only uses stats he likes but they dont tell whole story. Wilt avg 50pts for entire season! Mike was way more clutch than lebron & played when teams played defense
JJ is a smart guy. i'd say his only weakness is that he relies far to much on statistics for his arguments. with regard to Ws and Ls, a basket is a basket. however, in terms of a player's skillset, 20 points in garbage time isn't worth 2 points in clutch time.
JJ just gave a longevity speech. Doesn’t mean he was a better scorer than MJ. Just means he played longer and had a longer peak than MJ. That’s like saying Tony Parker was a better scorer than prime Derrick Rose, because he has more career points and rings. Anyone who saw them both play, knows that’s ridiculous. TP was an underrated scorer too, due to Pop’s system. But he still wasn’t f*cking with prime D Rose. Injuries not talent and ability, is why he doesn’t have more points than Parker. JJ’s critique is devoid of context. He’s just spouting stats. Nevermind how long MJ played versus Lebron. Nevermind, how the pace of the game is much faster and higher scoring, for the last 8 seasons. Nevermind, MJ has a career average of 30.1 over 15 seasons, without shooting many 3s. This is more of a recency bias issue. Younger fans think Lebron is a better scorer and that’s their right. I saw both their careers like Kobe’s. Lebron is not a better pure scorers and isn’t as skilled offensive as MJ or Kobe. He a better passer and better downhill, that’s it. Just because Giannis is averaging more than KD and Steph, doesn’t mean he a better scorer. Those guys can beat you so many different ways. Giannis is all raw power, but to his credit his jumper has improved. I also think he deserves MVP or Embiid not Jokic. I don’t agree with Russo, because Kareem’s scoring was limited to the blocks. MJ, Kobe and Lebron could score from anywhere on the court. In terms of big men and just putting points on the board in the paint, then it’s Wilt. Kareem played longer than Wilt. Lebron played longer than Jordan. Doesn’t mean they were better scorers, they just accumulated more points.
@@ninocrown3247 did you finish the video? I was referring to JJ talking about the effect of rule changes on zonal defense. You just sound like Stephen A with that inch-deep analysis.
I hate that in todays world if you dont think someone is the best you have to hate him. We need to learn how to appreciate and learn from the best to make ourselves better. It shouldn't matter who you have as the GOAT you can still appreciate the way Lebron plays and how he has done it.
You mean when Kobe spent his last six seasons as an inefficient scorer and a payroll liability. Kobe’s prime was awesome. But when he left the game his time had come.
It sucks bc it feels like you have to be one of the extremes, either worship someone or you’re a hater Lebron achieved an awesome feat. He’s the all time leader in points. But it’s also true that he’s not the goat
People love to talk about the 80s-90s as the best defensive eras, but it was really the early to mid 00s when Lebron was young. Watch those Pistons/Spurs/Pacer teams, they were barely allowing 90 pts per game. That Pistons/Spurs finals was basically a first to 80 pts series, and Bron was still averaging 30 during that period.
JJ makes a good point about wear and tear. That's why superstars get hurt a lot now. Lots of running, stepbacks, crossovers, dunks, etc. Faster pace for sure.
No lots guys came out early back in the day guys stayed 3 to 4 years in college their bodies were mature . We never saw rookies and second year guys missing time like we do today early entry guys get hurt more
@@anthonyhenley3013 🤣🤣🤣i wanna thank you for taking time out of your day to make troll comments and create laughter across the world as people read those troll comments. thanks for making my day i needed some laughter 😂😅
Valid point. Also assists can be both x2 or x3 for the point total. How many 3s has he assisted when he's driving through the lane drawing defenders? 🤷♂️
@@jordanc9282 u cannot convert assists into points and pretend that that player averages that many points 😂 actually scoring the ball is more valuable than simply passing to someone who does, the scorer should get most of the credit, definitely not the passer. Passing is valuable but this is ridiculous to pretend like he gets all the credit for those points
@@montagehq9872 not true, passes are statistically worth 1.5x more than points adjusting for probability on a cost per analysis basis according to vegas oddsmakers
@TCG that's a lot more math than most are willing to make. But we appreciate great passers of the ball, it's the reason why magic Johnson is who he is.
@@montagehq9872 I believe the posters point was that he has had contributions to those points made existing. If you're putting people in positions to score and drawing defenders to yourself than obviously you've had a fairly big say on whether those buckets actually happened. It is often the case that great players pass up the chance to make more points because they dish it off to give someone a higher percentage shot at getting the score. It's team basketball and it's why he is the most well rounded player who has ever existed.
LeBron Scoring Titles: 1 Michael Jordan Scoring Titles: 10 Sorry LeStans this isn't even a debate. LeBron isn't even the best scorer among his peers as there are players in the league with more scoring titles than him. The record speaks to his health and longevity not to him being the greatest scorer ever lmao.
@@IENetworkTV Not really. Unlike SAS, J.J. Redick has his OWN mind. Stephen A. Smith ALWAYS Nut Rides Jordan, and CONSTANTLY throws KD, and Kyrie under the Bus. Just watch his takes. FACTS!!!
As a kid born in 94 I’ll just say I prefer to watch MJ just cause that’s what/who my dad had on the tv…so in that way it’s just nostalgia. HOWEVER, LeBron is greatest player I’ve ever seen. The way people diminish the length of LeBron’s prime is craaazy and we literally wouldn’t do that anywhere else in society.
I was born in 89 and never watched a Jordan game besides some highlights. I understand his contributions to basketball and what he meant to the game though. Kobe,Penny (for obvious reasons)and Lebron are who made me interested in basketball.
Facttts nostalgia will really make you bias in a way bc think about it EVERYTHING was better when you were a kid… so i can’t imagine how they feel about mj, hes like there superhero 😂🤣
JJ showed his wisdom. Harder fouls doesn't necessarily mean better defenders. Pickup games at the YMCA can sometimes have harder fouls than organized ball. Watch re-runs of 80s games - quite a few unathletic players who barely bend their knees on defense, but they'll still hack you hard.
And that hard hack keeps soft players from driving to the basket unchallenged. People actually took pride in not giving up a basket. Especially allowing a dunk.
The players committed those "hard" fouls because that was the only way to get a foul called. Players were much more physical in Jordan's day because the officials let them play physical. Today's NBA is geared to be faster, and much more for offense, calling fouls much more liberally with much less contact.
@@fuddyduddie1205 go watch a game from 10 years ago. Night and day difference in effort. Yes it absolutely is easier to defend then and harder to guard now, but the night to night pride on that end has been going down for a while and it starts at the youth level but also is just a trend in the game. Offense is exciting.
@@dantelabella9753 Just because he was a role player, doesn't mean he doesn't understand fully the game of basketball. Only idiots who have zero valid arguments who use pitiful personal attacks to try to undermine someone's point. Good job!
6:45 You know, a lot of people say LeBron has done this all in a weaker league where fouls aren’t as hard, players don’t play as physical, etc. but they forget that the league morphed into that, BECAUSE OF MJ. They literally changed the rules of hand checking, and amount of contact you could put on an offensive player before it was a foul, BECAUSE OF MJ. Now granted, they HAD to hit MJ that hard to even slow him down slightly, but when you take a step back and look at it? They changed the rules to cater to their “golden goose”. The NBA saw what MJ could become for them and their brand, and changed the rules to suit that narrative. But no one ever talks about that 💀. Also, taking years off to go mess around in baseball, to me is considered a vacation. Both physically and mentally. Then he got to come right back after he already retired, and do it again 💀. They catered to MJ. Point blank period. He was their “golden boy” and their ticket to league success, so they changed everything for him.
Nope, they actual stopped hand checking after Mj retired from the wizards.. nba claimed none of the new players could penetrate the perimeter like him.. that’s why. The flagrant foul was introduced bc players would intentionally foul Mj bc the simply couldn’t stop him .
Those same hall of famers that say the game is softer now won't talk down on how that would mean they would've been worse defenders if they couldn't use hand-checking and physical contact with their bodies to impede their opponent's progress. They don't talk about how fewer steals, blocks and rebounds they would have if they only had to rely on footwork, so I would take everything they say with a grain of salt. It goes both ways, by their logic, it's more difficult to play defense today because you rely strictly on your footwork so wouldn't that mean these defenders would be more elite if they played back then considering they would've not only had great footwork and athletism but also been allowed to use their bodies and hand-checking.
Well Kareem had the record and MJ has the highest career scoring average without shooting many 3s, in a game with much less spacing and hand checking. MJ is far more creative offensively, more clutch and a better, reliable FT shooter. So, JJs face is irrelevant. Lebronhas been playing since he was 18 and to his credit has been able to stay healthy thru dedicated conditioning and great genes. But, this notion that if MJ played 20 straight seasons, he wouldn’t have passed Kareem even sooner is idiocy.
@@sharifbrown3567 What kind of nonsense is that ? MJ played all 82 games at age 40 lol. He retired because he chose to retire not because his body couldn’t hold up.
Lmao clearly Smith took the W here. He even admitted he learns from legends and yet people act like he got schooled. It's just click bait. They are cool with each other
LeBron Scoring Titles: 1 Michael Jordan Scoring Titles: 10 Sorry LeStans this isn't even a debate. LeBron isn't even the best scorer among his peers as there are players in the league with more scoring titles than him. The record speaks to his health and longevity not to him being the greatest scorer ever lmao.
@@dungoncrazy2634 u do realize people that usually have scoring titles don’t do nothing else for real but score so yeah if bron just focused on scoring I’m sure he could win scoring titles …. bron has lead the playoffs and finals in scoring,rebounding,and assist like come on bruh that man has way more on his plate than just scoring… Jordan to the KDs and Hardens just had 1 or two jobs on the team and 90 percent of it would be to score
@@S63guy Is this debate not about who the better scorer was/is? Is scoring titles not relevant in that debate? When these silly comparisons get made somebody has to inject you guys with some truth serum and the fact of the matter is he isn't even the best scorer among his peers let alone a better scorer than the GOAT Michael Jordan.
Love this from JJ him and Dray are probably the best player commentators that we have rn, actually educating people about the game, not just basic obvious points, but ball knowledge, and giving context to how actually was the game back then
@@draginslayver59 life long lakers fan here. Hate the Celtics. However I’m a huge fan of Paul pierce and Larry bird. They’ve earned my respect. To say your not a fan of the dude who was the face of the nba for over a decade just tells me Y’all don’t love basketball like that 😂.
And guys that hooped mostly have Kobe over Lebron....sooooo? Kobe is better than Lebron I'm assuming. A loooot of retired players go Kobe all day over Lebron. Just saying
This is the difference between a writer and a player. JJ is a blessing to basketball discussions on this network
Not every player who plays the game knows the game prime example ryan hollins kendrick perkins draymond Green Gilbert arenas and many others.
@Real Ryte you sound like a Stephen A
@@cpr813 a blessing to bronsexuals
73% of Current NBA Players have MJ over LBJ, what's your point? LBL has like 11%
Jj is very quick and witty and good with words. And obviously knowledgeable. But sometimes I see him as that women that keeps arguing that point even tho he's wrong but keeps going because he sounds believable with his choice words and makes him seem like he's right
JJ single-handedly carrying ESPN's basketball analysis while running one of the best NBA podcasts out there
Yes, because he actually analyzes basketball, whereas SAS just makes lazy takes. The way SAS speaks so authoritatively is to compensate for the fact that he doesn't really know what he's talking about.
4 years at duke under coach K and over a decade in the NBA will teach you a thing or two
Tim Legler has amazing analysis
@@Hooch_is_crzy oh yeah Legzz is always on point 👉 👈
No he isn't.
Never seen JJ get heated, and awesome to see that he can also stay articulate at the same time. Appreciated him as a player but appreciate him even more now as a former great player turned great analyst.
You must not watch the show then cuz JJ's always heated
@@ty101ty trueeeeeee
He’s gotten way more heated than this, this is light wrk to him lol
@@ty101ty Did say, I've never seen, not that he has never been. Just saw the uploaded clip 10 hours ago with Maddog. 😂 Looking forward to him getting baited more often.
He was never a great player. He was a good in college and as a professional
I love seeing JJ educate these guys everytime the bring him on the show...his knowledge is light-years ahead of theirs
JJ is 38 years old and still in diapers, he can't educate anyone.
@@curtish.6900 He played the game at the highest level...he knows far more than any analyst
@@robertjones3330 real talk he’s dead on about the physicality part. Yea they played tougher back then but it was less movement. Today with how fast it is I’d be more worried about getting injured now then then. In the 90s you expected to get tackled so breached for impact. In todays game you’ll be running up the floor for the 200 th time already and pop. There goes your acl
*Every time, not everytime… *THEY bring him, not THE…
The Lakers are the best franchise in NBA history and they go hire a guy who has no experience and never been to a champion game as player. They need heart and shooter's not a no name NBA analyst that is cool with a player.
JJ is easily my favorite ESPN analyst he actually makes SENSE when he gives opinions.
Facts!!
I agree but this sounds like an npc 2k mycareer tweet😂
@@Aymanmalek702 😂😂 U rite tho
You can like all you want he won't back on first take for a while lol
Lol
JJ is next level and doesn’t do it solely for entertainment, like most. A representation of Coach K’s excellence; JJ is a master at his craft.
The same JJ that left Giannis out of his top 4 a few months ago??
@@bondbarrybonds5774 JJ ain’t perfect but depending on what you like… Giannis can easily be left out off a top four list. If it’s dominance? Giannis is number one but if it’s skill? Just saying I won’t argue.
@@DreDay75 fair enough, but he was ranking top 4 in the league.
@@healthychild-m9c as he saw it🤷♂️
All cap
SAS telling JJ not to yell and then immediately yell is mind boggling 😂
Lmao
I thought that then immediately read your comment. SAS is ridiculously hilarious. Lol😂
HAHAHAHA
literally as soon as I heard him say "calm down" I rushed to the comments to look for this lmao
Like a woman losing an argument
I LOVE JJs take, It drives me crazy when people don't understand that the illegal defense changes were far more important that the fouls. For the same reason, Kobe Bryant's career is horribly underrated, as the game took a while to adjust to the new rules and add a lot of shooters to space the floor, Kobe faced constant soft double and triple teams, something that Jordan just never had to deal with.
His game is not underrated idk what planet u living on
@ebb1432 Kobes game was elite.What he's talking about is that kobe could get double or triple teamed and it was legal.That was illegal in jordan era.Kobe didn't give a F*** and still shot the ball while being surrounded by multiple players.He took bad shots unlike jordan that's why his shooting % was lower.Most of his teammates were lazy so he disnt want to pass them the ball.😂
@@LARULES100 no Kobe was a ball hog and sore loser that’s why he didn’t pass the ball he should of played tennis
@@ebb1432 jordan didn't pass either.He actually shot 4 more shots per game than kobe in his career.😭
What you left out is it was fairly easy to double if not triple team Kobe because his passing ability was mediocre at best, making him predictable on offense, everybody knew he wanted to shoot it. LeBron on the other hand is an elite passer, so if you consistently soft double, he is going to kill you all day long with court vision. Kobe would shoot threw doubles which hurt his efficiency significantly, however, Bron would just find the open man, forcing you to stay honest defensively allowing open lanes for himself.
JJ is literally the best at talking about basketball. He states facts and doesn’t just yell to get his point across like these other morons.
No one was yelling? Are you okay?
@@YourWrongImRight933 thats exactly what he said. no one is yelling, hes referring to ppl like stehpen a who yell to get their point across, now, are u okay?
@@freemoney9041 I think he was being sarcastic. I hate how American commentators yell so much, JJ is a refreshing change and clearly knows his stuff
how come? he completely ignores the softness of today's game. Physicality has impact on your career length too, you know.
@@johnpu605 it wasn’t that physical bro y’all act like they were throwing punching every possession, like jj said go watch that finals vs the suns. The game today not only has way more talented & athletic players but includes defense that is harder to play against cause zone was literally illegal to play in MJs era you couldn’t leave your guy to give help so MJ wasn’t dealing with help defenders. Lebron would’ve broke the record years ago if he only ever had to face man defense.
JJ and Tim Legler are the best thing to happen to NBA talk on ESPN. Whether you agree or disagree, they bring experience as NBA players and facts, not fluff, to their arguments.
FACTSS!!! Stephen A is so biased and has tunnel vision for MJ, Im glad JJ called him out
And that’s why ESPN doesn’t give them too much air time. Takes away from the entertainment when you actually wanna talk basketball
these two are elite
Legler is the best former player analyst on ESPN. Perkins is in the business of opinion. Carter is there to comment dunks. Ogwumike is promoting anything that ties to her origins. JJ is defending the era, he played in.
Legler is way better.
Stephen A telling JJ not to be dismissive while he’s being dismissive is crazy
Exactly bro🤣 Stephen A saying what hall of famers have told me …. The same one’s that don’t like lebron cause he threatened all their legacy an break all the records they once had ??? Yeah I’m sure they’ll be unbiased
Yall sound butthurt
The same SAS that dismissed Isiah Thomas opinion about MJ? Oh, but now he listens to Hall of Famers?!? These Jordan lovers won't quit lmao
When did any of that happen in the segment? You watch the video??
I love Stephen a but he needs to get off this mj bs
Best take of JJ’s career. I wish I could describe what I’ve been saying for years, but I’ve never played basketball at that level before. I appreciate JJ articulating this reality. I dare those guys from the 90s to play at this pace. Guys like Hakeem and MJ could have did it with others. Those guys and others took care of their bodies, which I don’t think the majority of the league did so like this before Kobe/Bron/Steph era. Evolution should mathematically tell us how much harder it is to do it now. The amount of endurance required these days is insane
There are more 20ppg scorers today than ever before. What are you talking about it
@@jagged2tiger what does this change about his point?
@@iamawin8272 i mean... his point was basically that it's harder to be a scorer in the modern NBA, but if the average NBA player is scoring at a much higher rate then that doesn't really hold up.
nah this is a really bad take lmao. Offensive players have way more freedom than they ever had in the past. The defense thats played today with things like the 3 second rule, or hand checking, have handicapped defensive players heavily while allowing offensive players to work virtually unbothered.
@@12temp Yet back then you weren't allowed to play zone defense, which MJ said if that was back then he would've scored less.
They kill me how they say "not taking anything from Lebron" when they spent the whole segment taking anything from Lebron. It's really sad.
True. And that was pathetic. They showed their hatred.
you guys don't get it, ones you compare LeBron to other legends speciall Wilt, Kareem Kobie and MJ I guarantee there's gonna be war.
I didn't witness them except MJ and Kobie, but we should not disrespect the other legends so easily like Karrem 6 rings as a scoring leader of all time for so long but not a GOAT? Because his not all around position in 80s? now LeBron is the Goat the greatest scorer of all time? Because of same achievement if we not bias that is ridiculous remember LeBron James is the most supportive Carrer in history social media and cherry picking super team much more power than coach and stuff I ever witness I wonder why some of his fans want more but it's not cuz debate can't be settled forever, ESPN and fans support LeBron by saying LeBron deserve to have a championship without winning the league that's ridiculous LeBron needs help etch he got everything he needs whats more? but majority of peaple not saying his not the greatest of all but sadly his fans are want more that makes them sad.
LeBron gain another achievement as a legacy which Wilt, next is Kareem and that's phenomenal too 👍🏻
@@malikalihudin6460Reading your comment almost gave me a stroke.
I think where the conversation gets emotional is when someone is basically saying who they feel is the greatest. To be the greatest scorer in NBA history, what do you need to achieve?
JJ stated his career PPG is essentially 3rd all time, has most career points, is 4th in assists,4 MVPs, 4 rings / 4 Finals MVPs (on 3 different teams), and has played for the last 20 years evolving with the ever-increasing pace of the game.
SAS responds with “Not to take anything away from Lebron, but the game was more physical for MJ and Kareem than for Lebron, so it was harder to score” Excuses.
But they didn’t. They made an analysis. Which is their job
We know the 2 Lebron HATERS( KAREEM ) Really!!!!!
i swear JJ Redick is one of the smartest NBA analysts i've seen in my life. he's very well educated on the game through playing and watching and he is so well spoken that his points MAKE SENSE!!! love watching his podcast the old man and the three. keep killin it JJ
Lol
He was especially right on the Sacramento pacers trade. A true genius.
He went to Duke on a real scholarship…he graduated from Duke… most of the other analysts can’t string together 3 coherent sentences
I want him and Isaiah Thomas to have a show together
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ gross
Why is Mad Dog even allowed to talk about basketball on television? We need more people like JJ who understand the greatness of all eras not just the 90's and earlier.
But older players tend to have clear biases. Just look at all the old heads knockin youngins down when they're threatened.
Who even is Mad Dog to begin with
@@schwarzmann1 A mad dog?
I agree w you but he's here because he gets reactions out of people like us lol.
NO WE DONT BECAUSE WILT BEAT PRIME JABBAR. SHOW ME JORDAN BEAT JABBAR IN HIS 40 OF AGE ??
JJ WHO CANT SHPOOT IN PLAYOFF WHO CANT JUMP CANT RUN CANT PLAY DEFENSE. THAT GUY WHO TRY TO TALK ?? SHALL I CALL JJ BAREA TO BEAT LEOVERRATED AGAIN IN FINALS...
JJ: spits pure facts
SAS: talks to talk
JJ was absolutely seething when the other 2 were talking LMAO.
He was a scrub player 😂
@@mubashiryusuf7968 definitely wasn't , he was a 3 point shooting assassin
@@mubashiryusuf7968 casual fan take
@@mubashiryusuf7968 Stephen A yes he sure was and shouldn’t have an opinion on the topic.
@@mubashiryusuf7968 jj Reddick mount Rushmore of ncaa basketball....
RESPECK
JJ is the best ever. He should get more airtime, more shows. He's so smart and a true NBA analyst
I'm glad he brought up illegal defense. I mention this all the time and all Jordan fans pretend he was double or tripled team his whole career
Just another lebron apologist
@@Luka-nw6kc apologize for what? Clearly you're just a hater. I still think MJ is the GOAT, but context matters and that's what JJ is talking about. He brings context and facts and not just stupidity like you.
Btw, despite MJ being the GOAT for me, I know he wouldn't be as great as he was without the bulls management from the owner to the GM, specially the GM, at that time, each and every move he made was genius. He brought in Phil, which got Scottie to play as well as he has in that system and gave him the confidence to be a defensive specialist and a versatile player, and MJ buying in to trusting his teammates, also throwing away the coke bulls roster for the one that was always fighting for Eastern conference supremacy until they got over the Pistons and won 3 chips, then upon retirement the team was fine even without MJ because of the pieces he got like Kerr and others, then getting Rodman and Kukoc which made them a legendary team with the 2nd most regular season wins.
It's not all MJ, but he's still the GOAT despite all of that in my eyes. Though you can't seem to see how great other players are because you're a narrow minded bigot
Because he speaks your position? Confirmation bias.
@@snarf0596 Jordan was double and triple teamed. Not sure why you think otherwise.
I still don’t see why JJ isn’t on First Take during the basketball season.. This dude is incredible
tbh
He’s a threat
Because Stephen a would get cooked every night 😂
Because he will make Stephen a look foolish
He not there cause he cooks stephan a smith a lot
JJ brought up a very valid point about the pace of possessions. As an exercise science/kinesiology major, we learn that the leading cause of injury across the board is “wear and tear” and stress on the tendons/ ligaments (micro tears) without a proper and lengthy recovery. Your body needs proper and quality time to recover especially in joints with the ball and socket mechanism due to them having great mobility, but less stability. Exercise at a high intensity/pace day in and day out is incredibly taxing on the body even with proper strength and mobility exercises. You must also think about cartilage degeneration with repeated action over time. Staying healthy and on top of your game for as long as Lebron has is mind-boggling and many suspect him of taking/spending millions on researched steroids without significant adverse effects to enhance his recovery to an unprecedented degree.
So, that's why Jordan broke his foot in the 80s. Wear-and-tear amid a higher pace of play. Got it.
@@johnjones528 I broke my ankle at 10 jumping off a sidewalk.. what’s your point?
Lebron is naturally a genetic freak anyway, but it's easier for him to stay healthy with modern medicine. It's well documented how much money he spends maintaining the health of his body, along with today's rules where you're not hitting the hardwood or being abused on the court nearly as often. All of this coupled that with load management...
It's still impressive, no doubt, but let's consider everything.
@@johnjones528Is there a problem?
It’s dope when JJ is on here 😂. He is ready to check Stephen A every time 😂
Stephen A is really out of touch, like most Boomers
That's why they don't have him on a lot 😂
Err time
@@roddyboethius1722 only one out of touch here is you junior.
@@gpipeline eat my shorts, Homer
The entire time, all Stephen A does here is give LeBron backhanded compliments. Stephen A and Skip have done more bad for the game of basketball then good, dividing the fanbase with “who’s better” and never allowing fans to enjoy players’ greatness. On the night LeBron surpasses Kareem, it’s crazy that MJ is still being mentioned here, just give the man his flowers bro ffs 🤦🏻♂️
you think people are so weak-minded they base their opinions on talking clowns takes? You are so weak, this isn't that serious
Y’all boys grew up too sensitive & feminine . The dude said bron second all time but he not better than Jordan. How is that a backhanded compliment. Get off bron sack he got a wife
Stop crying the who's better talk been going on forever in all forms of entertainment. It has nothing to do wit dividing fanbases. That always been the the fun part about sports besides playing,having debates about it.
Stephen a and Skip have done nothing differently than what fans were already doing.
I mean Facts is Facts tho.
Let’s be Honest
Before social media, there wasn't this constant need to crown one person the G.O.A.T and shortchange everybody else. I remember centers Russell vs Wilt. Later, Kareem being compared to both. Guards Oscar vs West. Later it was Magic vs Bird. There was always debate about who was better, but with one big difference.
Before social media, being "one of the all-time greats" was enough. People didn't need to crown one person and downgrade everybody else with the condition, "Yeah but he's not... (fill in the blank)".
I wish people would acknowledge LeBron James for his greatness without the disclaimer that he'll never be Jordan. It's unfair and petty.
Yup and Jordan will never be Lebron. Dude is incredible all around player. Feel like it all came down to championships for people in a team sport lol. This isn’t tennis.
This is a very underrated post that should have 10,000 likes.
Yes
As a hockey fan everyone has agreed on the top 5 all time.
No one debates Gretzky.
@@ryanmussell739 Not a hockey fan, but I know enough to know Gretzky is universally accepted as the G.O.A.T. because he demolished all the scoring records. Has anyone since come close to legimately challenging Gretzky?
@@TheLirJEt86 I get what you're saying, and I make the same point. The number of rings can be part of the equation, but not everything in a team sport. Nobody can win it by themselves. And my answer to those who overstate the number of rings, is that means Bill Russell will always be the G.O.A.T. Wake me up when somebody wins 12.
I like JJ. He speaks what’s on his mind and the truth. We need more broadcasters like him
THANK YOU JJ, I’ve been trying to explain these same points to people for years
What points? He's making up history
Bro we’re you saying that Kareem was the greatest scorer before yesterday??
The simple 100% undeniable fact is, MJ accomplished MORE in LESS time with LESS help. Props to Bron, being the 2nd greatest ever is amazing
@@juanordonez5667 fact lebron will always be number 2 to mj no matter what he does in life
I dont think I see that comment often. Ive seen it, but it isnt that common. I think most people just are aware of that, well, are aware as they are aware of the existence of oxigen, but just dont say it that often. Which is weird, since it is a fact, like it is a fact the existence of oxigen. Also a fact, is that MJ did it while being ALLWAYS the dominance force of NBA (except for the years out and the Washington years). Some people just want for a contemporary player to be the goat, which isnt true.
JJ had a straight-up glare when the camera went to him for the first time after the intro. Had me rolling. Could see the rage building. 😂
Fr 😂
That's what that LeKlutch Sports payroll 💰 does to a person...
@@Mercurial. weird y’all bring that man up for no reason
@@kenneth9338 Lebron was literally the entire topic of discussion in the video. Lebron as compared to Kareem and Jordan. Not sure how you missed it, when that’s who JJ is vouching for endlessly.
Wow. JJ was very articulate. Thank you for providing this perspective of Lebron's journey.
So because he's white and talks well...and telling you lies...a politician.
@@Wyly37 Telling lies? Where what lies was he telling? What does race have to do with this? I'm black and can tell that J.J. is more poised and collected than alot of people so whats your point here? Please think before you comment some nonsense like this.
@@micahkibe3406 he full of lies.
He can’t with a straight face tell you what LJ does better than Jordan.
Jordan is far more skilled than LJ in any era.
If LJ, a known trash jump shooter for most his career, can develop a decent jump shot from 3 MJ most certainly could too.
As a matter of fact, MJ has a fantastic 3pt % from 3 in all 6 Finals appearances. 42/113 for 36.8% in a none 3 point shooting era.
He was on the cusp of being deadly from 3 if that is where the game went.
JJ is a woke athlete trying to tarnish MJs legacy
@@114D You don’t think LBJ is a better playmaker? Rebounder? Interior defender? Your era bias and lack of basketball knowledge is showing.
@@114D Cherry-picking one finals performance doesn’t help ur case for jordan being a better 3 point shooter than lebron. Jordan i doesn’t know you I hope you know that…
JJ's face whenever Madd Dogg talks 😂
JJ is a gift to this sports broadcasting world!! Love his takes!!
becuz mfs think they know the game but never played in the NBA
He has some stinkers though don’t act like he’s this squeaky clean guy
@@_YourFlyIsOpen So you're saying no one is 100% right all the time? 😮
@@CharifRocka No, that he has some awful AWFUL takes, he had a take so bad that he had to go incognito for months to hide from it.
@@_YourFlyIsOpen “incognito”
posted on his podcast pretty actively
yall make anything up on this app lmfao
Stephen a should be the last person to ever tell anyone to calm down 😂
all “calm down” from SAS means is.. woah you’re making a little bit too much sense and you’re actually beating me in this debate, let me say a few things so i can distract the people at home ☠️☠️🤷🏽♂️
@@JM-lg1qg this is sooo true lmao
@@JM-lg1qg fax lol
Agreed with JJ on this, I have also noticed that during 90's, while it's a bit more physical, there are many times the players are just standing doing nothing. The sports today have evolved to continuous movement which is more physically demanding long term. JJ somebody with a different insight of the game. Nice.
Not true. Even today players get to stand around especially when a player goes iso.
This isn't true. I see a lot of players who are stationary in where they stand instead of setting up a play.
today's game is completely stagnant too
Jordan had weaker competition
I just watched a game between the Memphis grizzlies and the Timberwolves. The Timberwolves stood and watched jaMorant score on them undefeated because he's unstoppable just like jordan and all the other greats. He was in their head before the game began.
JJ sitting there like.... "remember the Bag, remember the Bag"
One thing that is not considered is that the league is way more talented now, and kids are playing basketball more and at earlier ages, which contributes to a lot of injuries in the game now. The fact that Bron has been able to play this long and be this good for this long is nearly impossible, and it’s a testament to his greatness
Also, the spacing that is given now allows for more points. Unlike in the 90's where you could hand check people. I think if the NBA continues like this someone will catch Lebron's scoring title eventually.
Not really , the man spends over 2 million dollars a year on maintaining his physique. It’s more so a testament to his investments in himself.
There's also a lot of luck involved.
@@iamtheonlywilly did u not just hear jj take on defense in the 90s there was more space to score in that era if you ran a 3-2, 4-1 offense. now days those offenses dont even work.
Naming this allowed would have to give too much credit to LBJ for succeeding so well within this more talent-saturated pool of NBA players
The face that JJ made when he appeared, he was ready to bring the smoke on these boomers 🤣🤣
@@Username12665 that my be played out but it’s never been in style to nitpick in the youtube comment section
@@Username12665 sounds like ur a boomer lol
In 10 to 15 years they the young people will feel the same about you and your generation and I will be laughing when it happens. When they diminish LeBron for Luka or Jokic and when they diminish Steph for Ja or somebody like him ya'll will be burnt up.
@@17thN.O Not really. I’m fine with accepting that the future players will be better than the current players. That’s a truth to life that the young generation has accepted already & the old generation still has trouble with. When the next stars that surpasses Lebron, Luka, & Giannis comes up, I’ll cheer him on, instead of hate on him like the older generation does right now.
@@Username12665 ok boomer
jj was the star but gotta say stephen a killed me at the end
“did we forget about wilt chamberlain?”
“yes” 💀
I mean it's the truth bro was playin segregation ball with ease 💀
@@eatmakock3646 😂😂😭
That's actually great point there. They like to recognize the evolution of the game from wilt era to Mj but says that the Lebron era did not evolve as well.
Love JJ standing up to SA and his comparison of physicality.
Mad Dog sounds like the guy who says.. “But what about Rocky Marciano” 😂
Lol
lmaooo
Lmao these fossils on TV be on some bs
Mad Dog thinks anybody that played/competed during his childhood and 20s is the greatest ever lol. 100 points is crazy but he did shoot 32 free throws and take 63 FGA. If Kobe had taken that many shots in his 80-point game, he would have ended with 150.
Facts. 😄😄😄
Mad Dog is literally if someone had to draw/reimagine Skip Bayless of like 10 years ago from memory…or like if you ordered him from Wish.
Literally nothing like skip
@@tylerterry179he just means that he looks like him, not acts like him
SAS is so “INSECURE”!!!!!!!
JJ always EXPOSES SAS!
Protect JJ at all costs
He's a keeper man. Best Basketball podcast.
JJ is a basketball genius and I live his breakdowns
93 finals defense by the suns is tragic
@@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains the bad takes on the older team is blasphemy the rules are so easy today. No defense at all.
@@right8630 you must be blind.
@@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains wow the stupidity of these comment apparently u have never watched a 90s game I can show u bad defense after bad defense in today’s game it’s actually a joke.
@@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains Compared to what defense today? It's like 10 players averaging 30 or close it. Defense is joke in today's nba
Something I feel people aren't talking about enough is that he did it without essentially a top 3 point gaurd of all time like Kareem and Malone did. A greater percentage of his buckets were created by himself.
They don’t want to hear that
say it loud 💯
Context matters. The game was played differently and Lebron is the guard with the ball in his hand so of course he is creating more of his own shots. Yes it is definitely impressive but Kareem and Malone aren’t wings that move like guards. Come on now.
@@user-dh7dj3yw1b This dude actually understands basketball
Lebron IS a top 3 point guard all by himself lmao
the argument is simple here...
Stephen A: LeBron is second because MJ suffered more to get his points, even though they are much lesser
JJ Redick: Fair Point, but MJ might have suffered only a little bit more over a shorter period of time. LeBron, suffered a little but for significantly longer and is still being nearly as good as MJ in his prime.
The argument is simple: lebron scored the most points of all time. He's the greatest scorer of all time
@@RunningRugby4 That's what Kevin Garnett said. Technically, and literally, LeBron is the greatest scorer (he said).
Mike (and Kobe) had 12 seasons with 25 or more points per game. LeBron has 19 straight seasons with 25 or more points. 10x top 3 in ppg, 13x top 5 in ppg, 8 seasons in a row with the 2nd most total points, and later the 1st most points in the league. It's not longevity alone, but very high points per season as well.
LOL you can see JJ fighting with himself trying to not explode.
lol he will on his podcast
Facts 😂😂😂
JJ is a gift to the media someone who knows what they are talking about
JJ’s take actually made me a believer
facts. literally the definition of "say it with ya chest out" 🔥
He need to be his co host on first take
The ONLY believer is having Rodman and Laimbeer, pulverizing LeWOKE and he will be the CHOSEN ONE to hide under his towel and cry like LePRINCESS. 🤔😙
in what ways? Being better at something for longer doesnt make that person a best at it. It is one of the arguments but is not the end all be all. For example. hank aaron is the homerun king, but why is he not considered the best homerun hitter of all time?
But he is wrong. Lebron is at best 3rd greatest scorer of all time, at best 3rd best scorer. He has most points than everyone else, but that's the record for longevity, congratulation to Lebron because he jas the most consistent scorer in the history of this game and that's why he has the most points ever, but we also have to talk about their peak. I'm sorry, but Jordan won 10 SCORING TITLES IN HIS 13 SEASONS WITH CHICAGO, 10 SCORING TITLES. He has highest points per game average in NBA history in both regular season and play offs. Lebron won only 1 scoring in his career and some people can argue that Lebron wasn't even the best scorer in his era because 2010s was clearly Lebron's era, he was the best in that time, you can argue that Kevin Durant was better scorer than Lebron. More points eopr game in his best season, 4 scoring titles, much more efficient player than Lebron and simply when ypu watch jow he plays, he is probably the most versatile scorers of all time. Jordan was light years better scorer than everybody else when he played, miles ahead of the rest of the competition and to say that Lebron with 1 scoring title and with his scoring recordis the greatest scorer in the history of this game is to me ultimately too much. 1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. Lebron /KD/Kareem.
For once a decent debate! No screaming. There was active listening, acknowledgement and good points made by both dudes. They need more of this.
no screaming? 🤣 did you have your headphone volume at like what.. 5? 😂
Congratulations LEBRON on another lifetime achievement that NO ONE can take away from you.
Until the next person that beats the all time scoring record 😂
In 60 years
ANT man best chance right now
Lol nobody wants to take it away, just don’t call him the goat because of it. He’s not. The 🐐 is 6-0.
@@saifghanim6851 if he extends it to 42K only a wilt chamberlain with a longer prime could break it
Stephen a: jj calm down
Stephen a: proceeds to yell twice as loud
Classic Steven a😂
@@yahiaali4059 it’s not funny he’s a fuggin character!
JJ is refreshing to have. Someone how actually has played against LeBron and knows today’s game.
Yea he just knows the game now. Anybody who knows history know Jordan, Wilt are top 2 greatest scorers. He only uses stats he likes but they dont tell whole story. Wilt avg 50pts for entire season! Mike was way more clutch than lebron & played when teams played defense
no no no, he just intentionally sounds smart, but most of his arguments only account for partial facts
Yet he haven't played against Jordan
@@27MOJOKINGLEBRON FG% 50 3PT %34 higher than MJ. So lebron the GOAT and he better skilled player.
@@johnpu605LEBRON FG% 50 3PT %34 higher than MJ. So lebron the GOAT and he better skilled player.
JJ is a breath of fresh air
Best convo they ever had on ESPN Lol very insightful and not just emotions.
Definitely alot of emotions we must not be watching the samething
Not when guys like Reddick make weak arguments out of desperation
JJ is a man of the people
JJ is a smart guy. i'd say his only weakness is that he relies far to much on statistics for his arguments. with regard to Ws and Ls, a basket is a basket. however, in terms of a player's skillset, 20 points in garbage time isn't worth 2 points in clutch time.
No he not 😂
@@jobunaga4178 there is no such thing as garbage time unless the game is out of reach
He just said you wanted to hear from him. He is just fooled by him
@@JohnnyDahabra that's literally what garbage time is
You know Stephen A starts sweating bullets when JJ starts bringing up actual basketball knowledge and not surface-level platitudes.
JJ just gave a longevity speech. Doesn’t mean he was a better scorer than MJ. Just means he played longer and had a longer peak than MJ. That’s like saying Tony Parker was a better scorer than prime Derrick Rose, because he has more career points and rings. Anyone who saw them both play, knows that’s ridiculous. TP was an underrated scorer too, due to Pop’s system. But he still wasn’t f*cking with prime D Rose. Injuries not talent and ability, is why he doesn’t have more points than Parker.
JJ’s critique is devoid of context. He’s just spouting stats. Nevermind how long MJ played versus Lebron. Nevermind, how the pace of the game is much faster and higher scoring, for the last 8 seasons. Nevermind, MJ has a career average of 30.1 over 15 seasons, without shooting many 3s.
This is more of a recency bias issue. Younger fans think Lebron is a better scorer and that’s their right. I saw both their careers like Kobe’s. Lebron is not a better pure scorers and isn’t as skilled offensive as MJ or Kobe. He a better passer and better downhill, that’s it. Just because Giannis is averaging more than KD and Steph, doesn’t mean he a better scorer. Those guys can beat you so many different ways. Giannis is all raw power, but to his credit his jumper has improved. I also think he deserves MVP or Embiid not Jokic.
I don’t agree with Russo, because Kareem’s scoring was limited to the blocks. MJ, Kobe and Lebron could score from anywhere on the court. In terms of big men and just putting points on the board in the paint, then it’s Wilt. Kareem played longer than Wilt. Lebron played longer than Jordan. Doesn’t mean they were better scorers, they just accumulated more points.
@@ninocrown3247 did you finish the video? I was referring to JJ talking about the effect of rule changes on zonal defense. You just sound like Stephen A with that inch-deep analysis.
@@iguacu3517 exactly
@@ninocrown3247 lebron has a 27 career ppg with a lot more assist… cmon my guy
Thanks J.J. Redick for clarity.
Mad Dog with the prehistoric take as usual
thank God
🤣I thought he was going to somehow bring up Bob Cousy.
@@tonjamo5658 lmao that wouldve been hilarious...
Good for him because y’all love to act like nothing and no one came before now.
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I hate that in todays world if you dont think someone is the best you have to hate him. We need to learn how to appreciate and learn from the best to make ourselves better. It shouldn't matter who you have as the GOAT you can still appreciate the way Lebron plays and how he has done it.
Real talk. People gonna miss him when he’s done playing. Same happened with Kobe
@@haywood0457 i noticed that when Kobe died a lot more people pushed him higher than he was originally
You mean when Kobe spent his last six seasons as an inefficient scorer and a payroll liability. Kobe’s prime was awesome. But when he left the game his time had come.
@@jamesonedwardsii4943That’s because he won another championship that year after people said they was gonna fold to the Clippers in the Bubble.
It sucks bc it feels like you have to be one of the extremes, either worship someone or you’re a hater
Lebron achieved an awesome feat. He’s the all time leader in points. But it’s also true that he’s not the goat
People love to talk about the 80s-90s as the best defensive eras, but it was really the early to mid 00s when Lebron was young. Watch those Pistons/Spurs/Pacer teams, they were barely allowing 90 pts per game. That Pistons/Spurs finals was basically a first to 80 pts series, and Bron was still averaging 30 during that period.
And there was zone defense compared to the times before where you had to stay on one man during the possession. Just a different way of playing
This. Great take.
Thank You
You know ball!
You are out of your mind dude; there was no defense in the 00s, 10s and 20s
JJ is one of the best commentators 8n the NBA. Dude is so educated and loves the sport so much. We need more people like him for the sport.
JJ was needed on this panel because he added a different perspective on why LeBron is a great scorer.
I am so happy J.J is back to give it to Stephen A.
See how silent them airsexuals are in this comment section.
Love what JJ does to these analysts
They say that Kareem went to college to discredit Bron's accomplishments. They don't say that Kareem took more shots than Bron, so there.
“Did we forget about Wilt Chamberlain?” YES! Lmao😂😂😂
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Yes they did. And I'm gonna forget about lebron James in a couple years after he retire. Just like Kobe Bryant.
MJ and Nike 😂😂 ESPN is making way too much money to forget about them
Not gonna lie. I completely forgot about Wilt. They changed the rules the most because of him. He was too unstoppable.
Mad dog - “did we forget about wilt chamberlain?”
Sas- “yes” lol😂
Lol
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They will say anything to discredit LeBron.
JJ taking S.A.S to the Basketball School of "I played this game."
Somebody protect this man.
He's white he's well protected lol
JJ really broke it down to a close minded Stephen A
JJ’s facial expressions are priceless lol
A great basketball mind. Stephen A and madd dog are just being subjective.
JJ makes a good point about wear and tear. That's why superstars get hurt a lot now. Lots of running, stepbacks, crossovers, dunks, etc. Faster pace for sure.
They get hurt because they are weak every little thing hurts them you can't touch them no defense w.n.b.a lot tougher
No lots guys came out early back in the day guys stayed 3 to 4 years in college their bodies were mature . We never saw rookies and second year guys missing time like we do today early entry guys get hurt more
@@anthonyhenley3013 bro please stfu, you sound dumb asf
@@anthonyhenley3013 🤣🤣🤣i wanna thank you for taking time out of your day to make troll comments and create laughter across the world as people read those troll comments. thanks for making my day i needed some laughter 😂😅
@Anthony Henley they get hurt because they are 'weak' 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lebron also has 10354 assist X2 = 20,708 points. on top of the 38390 points, that's 59,098 total points . And Lebron is still going
Valid point. Also assists can be both x2 or x3 for the point total. How many 3s has he assisted when he's driving through the lane drawing defenders? 🤷♂️
@@jordanc9282 u cannot convert assists into points and pretend that that player averages that many points 😂 actually scoring the ball is more valuable than simply passing to someone who does, the scorer should get most of the credit, definitely not the passer. Passing is valuable but this is ridiculous to pretend like he gets all the credit for those points
@@montagehq9872 not true, passes are statistically worth 1.5x more than points adjusting for probability on a cost per analysis basis according to vegas oddsmakers
@TCG that's a lot more math than most are willing to make. But we appreciate great passers of the ball, it's the reason why magic Johnson is who he is.
@@montagehq9872 I believe the posters point was that he has had contributions to those points made existing. If you're putting people in positions to score and drawing defenders to yourself than obviously you've had a fairly big say on whether those buckets actually happened. It is often the case that great players pass up the chance to make more points because they dish it off to give someone a higher percentage shot at getting the score. It's team basketball and it's why he is the most well rounded player who has ever existed.
Thank you ESPN for JJ
JJ takes SAS lunch money every time they argue. 😂
FACTS! That's why SAS hardly has him on the show.
SO U AGREE WITH HIM? SO IF SAS HAD SAID LEBRON AND JJ WOULD HAVE SAID JORDAN U WOULD HAVE AGREED WITH SAS?
Drinking his milkshake from across the room
LeBron Scoring Titles: 1
Michael Jordan Scoring Titles: 10
Sorry LeStans this isn't even a debate. LeBron isn't even the best scorer among his peers as there are players in the league with more scoring titles than him. The record speaks to his health and longevity not to him being the greatest scorer ever lmao.
@@IENetworkTV Not really. Unlike SAS, J.J. Redick has his OWN mind. Stephen A. Smith ALWAYS Nut Rides Jordan, and CONSTANTLY throws KD, and Kyrie under the Bus. Just watch his takes. FACTS!!!
That Kareem made 1 3pt his entire career and STILL was the career leader for four decades can't be underestimated nor glossed over.
yes it can since lebron now has the record and not him lol
Dude he was the tallest mf on the field playing against short white plumbers and Mechanic, of course ain't nobody gone stop him
@Daryl Mccline the Skyhook is so easy that no one else does it
@Daryl Mccline I think you confusing a hook shoot with a sky hook shot.
Thank you took the same amount of seasons but took what 3000 3s? Not as impressive
JJ really knows his basketball!
He played ball and was a sharp shooter.
@@ndjibukabengele973 duh lol but i didn’t think he could talk about the game the way these analyst reporter do.
@@ndjibukabengele973 didnt play a lick of defense. Shooting was the only thing he could do.
And the only person in this clip that knows a lick of basketball lol
@@JoseRodriguez-qo3dv he’s good most of the time but he still has bad takes
JJ spitting facts I am sick of all the BS
JJ is the new media. And he showed up on time!
JJ has created the Stephen A rules. He knows SA's tricks and keeps him honest.
As a kid born in 94 I’ll just say I prefer to watch MJ just cause that’s what/who my dad had on the tv…so in that way it’s just nostalgia. HOWEVER, LeBron is greatest player I’ve ever seen. The way people diminish the length of LeBron’s prime is craaazy and we literally wouldn’t do that anywhere else in society.
Jordan >
I was born in 89 and never watched a Jordan game besides some highlights. I understand his contributions to basketball and what he meant to the game though. Kobe,Penny (for obvious reasons)and Lebron are who made me interested in basketball.
Facttts nostalgia will really make you bias in a way bc think about it EVERYTHING was better when you were a kid… so i can’t imagine how they feel about mj, hes like there superhero 😂🤣
I've seen all of them play itf, Jordan was far superior on both ends esp when it comes to winning the damned game.
@@shaft9000 Lol. Sure old man.
JJ showed his wisdom. Harder fouls doesn't necessarily mean better defenders. Pickup games at the YMCA can sometimes have harder fouls than organized ball. Watch re-runs of 80s games - quite a few unathletic players who barely bend their knees on defense, but they'll still hack you hard.
And that hard hack keeps soft players from driving to the basket unchallenged.
People actually took pride in not giving up a basket. Especially allowing a dunk.
The players committed those "hard" fouls because that was the only way to get a foul called. Players were much more physical in Jordan's day because the officials let them play physical. Today's NBA is geared to be faster, and much more for offense, calling fouls much more liberally with much less contact.
There's players in todays game that stand up on defense all the time, what are we doing here
@@dimedropperpod I watched 50 year old Mamoud Abdul Rauf give DeRozan, and some other guy 40. Players today cannot guard like past players could.
@@fuddyduddie1205 go watch a game from 10 years ago. Night and day difference in effort. Yes it absolutely is easier to defend then and harder to guard now, but the night to night pride on that end has been going down for a while and it starts at the youth level but also is just a trend in the game. Offense is exciting.
“Did we forget about Wilt Chamberlain?”
Yes.
Stephen A no mercy
LMFAO
IDIOCRACY CONFIRMED. Wilt is ALWAYS higher on GOAT list than Bron. MJ, Kareem, Wilt, Kobe and Magic AT MINIMUM, for me. Arguably Bill Russell also!
I love it when JJ is on because hes always cooking Stephen A
No he has an opinion you agree with.
I really love JJ man, he’s the one that really knows the game from inside & outside
The only one there*. SAS is just there for box office and Mad Dog is a joker 😂
Yeah the same guy calling all time greats milk men. Dude was nothing but a role player his whole career.
@@dantelabella9753 Just because he was a role player, doesn't mean he doesn't understand fully the game of basketball. Only idiots who have zero valid arguments who use pitiful personal attacks to try to undermine someone's point. Good job!
You just like him cuz he always hyping lebron up 😂😂
JJ need to come on more often.
6:45
You know, a lot of people say LeBron has done this all in a weaker league where fouls aren’t as hard, players don’t play as physical, etc. but they forget that the league morphed into that, BECAUSE OF MJ. They literally changed the rules of hand checking, and amount of contact you could put on an offensive player before it was a foul, BECAUSE OF MJ. Now granted, they HAD to hit MJ that hard to even slow him down slightly, but when you take a step back and look at it? They changed the rules to cater to their “golden goose”. The NBA saw what MJ could become for them and their brand, and changed the rules to suit that narrative. But no one ever talks about that 💀. Also, taking years off to go mess around in baseball, to me is considered a vacation. Both physically and mentally. Then he got to come right back after he already retired, and do it again 💀. They catered to MJ. Point blank period. He was their “golden boy” and their ticket to league success, so they changed everything for him.
Nope, they actual stopped hand checking after Mj retired from the wizards.. nba claimed none of the new players could penetrate the perimeter like him.. that’s why. The flagrant foul was introduced bc players would intentionally foul Mj bc the simply couldn’t stop him .
Fax Dre
JJ always destroys SAS & Mad Dog 😂
How?
@@bxi1547
Basketball is not for you, I am sorry if you can't get it or understand what's happening here.
@@ndjibukabengele973 Yeah because you’re a basketball expert all while flipping burgers at Whataburger.
JJ came for blood today. I love it
I love how they respected each other …. Knowledge 💯
They both made good arguments. This is when FT is 🔥
Those same hall of famers that say the game is softer now won't talk down on how that would mean they would've been worse defenders if they couldn't use hand-checking and physical contact with their bodies to impede their opponent's progress. They don't talk about how fewer steals, blocks and rebounds they would have if they only had to rely on footwork, so I would take everything they say with a grain of salt. It goes both ways, by their logic, it's more difficult to play defense today because you rely strictly on your footwork so wouldn't that mean these defenders would be more elite if they played back then considering they would've not only had great footwork and athletism but also been allowed to use their bodies and hand-checking.
JJ was fuming when he came on 💀
I love JJ. He wants ALL THE SMOKE!! Still great hair also.
Sis said got JJ vanilla dip 😮
Hi, you look good.
Hair transplants baby we’re in a whole new world now
@@marsrecordings 😄😄 Dont do that. Lol
@@vincetaliaferro2777 thank you
jjs face when they were picking the best scorers, he was tryna hold back so badly
Well Kareem had the record and MJ has the highest career scoring average without shooting many 3s, in a game with much less spacing and hand checking. MJ is far more creative offensively, more clutch and a better, reliable FT shooter.
So, JJs face is irrelevant. Lebronhas been playing since he was 18 and to his credit has been able to stay healthy thru dedicated conditioning and great genes. But, this notion that if MJ played 20 straight seasons, he wouldn’t have passed Kareem even sooner is idiocy.
@@ninocrown3247 why you worried about hypotheticals? He didn't play 20 seasons because he wasn't able to. So he played 15 instead.
@@sharifbrown3567which means Lebron has locked up longevity. Nice accomplishment. So there’s that
@@sharifbrown3567 What kind of nonsense is that ? MJ played all 82 games at age 40 lol. He retired because he chose to retire not because his body couldn’t hold up.
Thanks for the logic and rational thinking J.J we appreciate you.
JJ gets out logic; Stephen just gets louder.
Jj really cooks Stephen A without trying💀
Lmao clearly Smith took the W here. He even admitted he learns from legends and yet people act like he got schooled. It's just click bait. They are cool with each other
LeBron Scoring Titles: 1
Michael Jordan Scoring Titles: 10
Sorry LeStans this isn't even a debate. LeBron isn't even the best scorer among his peers as there are players in the league with more scoring titles than him. The record speaks to his health and longevity not to him being the greatest scorer ever lmao.
@@dungoncrazy2634 u do realize people that usually have scoring titles don’t do nothing else for real but score so yeah if bron just focused on scoring I’m sure he could win scoring titles …. bron has lead the playoffs and finals in scoring,rebounding,and assist like come on bruh that man has way more on his plate than just scoring… Jordan to the KDs and Hardens just had 1 or two jobs on the team and 90 percent of it would be to score
Yes, at the end, Stephen A. had to admit JJ, YOU'RE RIGHT, listen closely he said it
so it was a productive take
That's how debating should work
@@S63guy Is this debate not about who the better scorer was/is? Is scoring titles not relevant in that debate?
When these silly comparisons get made somebody has to inject you guys with some truth serum and the fact of the matter is he isn't even the best scorer among his peers let alone a better scorer than the GOAT Michael Jordan.
"DID WE JUST FORGET ABOUT WILT CHAMBERLAIN?!?!?!?!"
"Yes."
I love Wilt Chamberlain. Top 10 for sure!
The fact that this is a suggestion to me after I seen this when it came out a year ago 😅……. TH-cam trying to say something with LeBron and JJ
Love this from JJ him and Dray are probably the best player commentators that we have rn, actually educating people about the game, not just basic obvious points, but ball knowledge, and giving context to how actually was the game back then
Yeah players need to start overtaking these clowns
That’s why a say there are 2 many women talking football 2 men who actually played 🤫
💯💯💯💯💯
They suck lmao
no Jalen rose??
I'm not a LeBron fan at all, but you have to recognize what he has done here.
Same never been a LeBron fan cuz I'm a Celtics fan doesn't mean I don't respect what he's done I wasn't a Jordan fan either
@@draginslayver59 never cared for Jordan. Larry Bird and Kobe Bryant are my favorites of all time
Nobody is not recognizing it but the question is 'is he the greatest scorer ever?'. And he is not.
@@draginslayver59 life long lakers fan here. Hate the Celtics. However I’m a huge fan of Paul pierce and Larry bird. They’ve earned my respect. To say your not a fan of the dude who was the face of the nba for over a decade just tells me Y’all don’t love basketball like that 😂.
@@teambigv This is refreshing to see, never seen this perspective.
Watching this makes you realize the difference between the guys that hooped and the guys who just watched
The guys that can be objective and the guys that are too attached to the narrative from their generations
And guys that hooped mostly have Kobe over Lebron....sooooo? Kobe is better than Lebron I'm assuming. A loooot of retired players go Kobe all day over Lebron. Just saying
Jalen Rose pretty much said the same thing SAS said.
@@ithinkimanaries2620Is it that or do you have recency bias?
@@THEMASTER26 and a lot of former players have Lebron over Kobe too so what does that mean lol
thank you JJ finally a good take man