In the 96-97 regular season the Jazz scored 103.1 ppg In the 98-99 regular season the Jazz scored 93.3 ppg. This gives us an avg of 98.2 ppg. Karl’s 26.1 ppg during those seasons has him scoring ~ 26.6% of his team’s points. (Strictly per game..not a total number stat) The Lakers over the last two seasons have scored 112.1 ppg and 117.2 ppg respectively. This gives us an avg of 114.65 ppg. LeBron’s 29.6 ppg during those seasons has him scoring ~ 25.8% of his team’s points. (Strictly per game..not a total number stat) Brou’s point about the volume of scoring is technically correct, but probably isn’t a significant enough difference to be up in arms about the disrespect of Karl Malone. Their scoring numbers are comparable. He should’ve focused less on the volume and more just on the fact that LeBron can score at volume from the outside. He’s Malone’s size, but they play nothing alike. Hard to actually compare
Finally someone who knows what they are talking about. I thought these people had gone extinct, especially in the age of Twitter and TH-cam comment wars.
Lebron James in 2013 and 2014 vs 2022 and 2023 PPG: 27.0 vs 29.6 RPG: 7.5 vs 8.3 ASG: 6.8 vs 6.5 FG%: 56% vs 51% FT%: 75% vs 76% MPG: 37.8 vs 36.4 By Nick's argument, Lebron is a better player now than he was in Miami
Malone played 19 seasons. Never missed playoffs. Led Jazz to 18 playoffs when Stock was already washed. Never missed playoffs. Malone longevity was way better than Dirks, KGs, Chucks. Chris has a legit point.
Yes Malone was incredibly durable, but so was LeBron until a few years ago. Also, I repeat this constantly but LeBron took 4 different teams to the Finals. FOUR. And only had 1 good coach. Imo familiarity goes a long way. And Sloane was an all time great coach imo..
@@leroysanders3564 I strongly believe that Utah will never win a championship as the Jazz. You can't be the Mormon capital of the world, and call your team the Jazz, and expect to not be a cursed franchise.
Based on Nick's logic Luka is better than 93 Jordan. Just look at the numbers. Giannis, Jokic and Embiid are all better than 00-02 Shaq, look at the numbers. God, SGA and Dame are as good of a scorers as 07 Kobe Bryant and OKC Durant, they average similar numbers. Comparing numbers from an era when the pace was the slowest in history to now is silly
How come its not ok to throw up a bunch a numbers when it comes to Malone and Lebron but its ok to throw up those same numbers to disregard everything else about Lebron.
Nick has some great takes on everything other team and player in the NBA not name Lebron James. Everything tied to LBJ he over exaggerates or straight up paints everything out of context to make LBJ look greater than he is.
Malone had an actual mid range game and actual post skills. Could actually guard people too. Most big defenders just protect the rim. He could guard bigs.
Yeah but what they don't understand is that MVP Karl Malone was doing those numbers when the league was also averaging like 91 points a night lol. This is very disrespectful of Karl Malone a very great player. We don't have to disrespect one player to prop up another.
This is the most stat bending performance ever by Nick Wright. Never seen someone use stats and ignore pace and era this much. Actually sick but them klutch boys are paying well
Lebron scored 25.8% of his teams points and Malone scored 26.5% of his teams points in those two seasons on a per game basis. Another factor was that Malone was a FT merchant and Stockton carried him.
When Karl came in the league he was strictly an athletic dunk guy. He worked on his game to develop his shooting. He averaged nearly 80 games per season in 18 of his 19 years in the league.
The blind reveal is silly in this instance because Malone was playing in an era where BY THE VERY RULES OF THE GAME it was significantly harder to score. If the roles were reversed, we'd see Malone with better numbers in his twilight years unquestionably. But who am I kidding? We're just filling airtime in July... Still watching and loving every minute, though. XD
" BY THE VERY RULES OF THE GAME" so he was built to be the best he could be for the rules but somehow he would get even better if his build wouldn't be perfectly fit and the rules would be different? 🤣🤣 based on just what ur saying you already dismantled that assertion yourself. not to mention other slew of problems with what ur saying.
@@SadSinStorypeople say anything to discredit any Lebron accomplishments. It was harder to score then because outside of the superstars the league wasn't nowhere near as skilled as the players of today.
The 8% from three in Malone's MVP years was crazy though 😂 I think a lot of old guys back then would have issues to adapting to the shooter league we have now. Shaq for example one of the greatest ever only made one three point his whole career. In today's NBA all the top big men can shoot. Jokic, KD, Embiid. Not being able to shoot as a big man is a flaw that can be exploited like how they exploit Giannis in the playoffs. Giannis lucky he has Middleton to bale him out but Middleton is just not that consistent
By rules of the game it’s harder to score now… being able to double and triple team as much as they want… playing zones… illegal defense calls… just cuz they allowed goons to foul hard doesn’t mean the entire league was like that or that the entire league was elite defensively…
I know - I died and rewound that aside he made after Brou said he probably didn’t take 100 3’s in his whole career, and without a beat’s worth of time, wildes jokes about how he probably shouldn’t have, if he’s only making 8% of them. Lol wildes is the hero we don’t deserve
The game is at a far faster pace nowadays Nick meaning more possessions and thus more opportunities to record counting stats and thus those numbers are never quite fair to players that played in eras with a slower pace
It’s not too much different. Pace during Malone’s MVP years were 90 and todays pace is 98. The game was actually faster in the 70s and 80s but that’s unimportant. So the question is can Karl Malone make up the difference in stats if there were 8 more possessions per game when he played? Odds are, probably not. He couldn’t get enough assists, points and rebounds with 8 more possessions to make up the difference of what LBJ does with about 98 possessions per 48 minutes. The biggest difference is offensive rating where teams have an offensive rating of 115 league wide whereas during Malone’s years were 105 league wide. Offensive rating (points per 100 possessions) disregards tempo and number of possessions in a game. So really todays NBA outscored Malone’s NBA by 10 points per 100 possessions. The league’s offense efficiency might be a bigger explanation of why LBJ’s stats look so much better.
@@sindilacion19 seasons, multiple long playoff runs. For the longest time the only player that scored more points than Malone was Kareem. There’s your mileage. Y’all can talk about lebron without shitting on other legends. This is just a bad take, Malone was athletic and had a waaaaaay better post arsenal. Lebron would be warriors iggy if he lost his athleticism
He ain’t have to move lol.. he stayed at the top the key and pick and popped. He wasn’t running an offense he wasn’t playing deep into the playoffs for majority of his career and he also had a Pg
The Lakers the last 2 seasons, their pace per game was 102 whereas the Jazz in those 2 years Wright is showing had a pace of 89 so a difference of 13 possessions. That means with Malone's stats as is he'd average more point rebounds and assists per game than LeBron. Wright just throws numbers out sans context.
While youre somewhat correct, Karl Malone in no universe would get more assists than lebron. While it's true pace was slower back then, that also meant players needed less cardio conditioning and got hurt much less often. So you can make several different arguments for or against eras which is why it's no use trying to compare stats.
@@DeadSezSoAlso help defense/ zone was considered illegal Defence which resulted in a lot of dudes standing around while one player goes iso on the opposite wing. Imagine what LeBron could’ve done with that “illegal defense” rule, people aren’t ready for that convo tho lol
@@DeadSezSo not necessarily when it comes to cardio. Players then played more games, more minutes and shorter rotations. 8-10 players with the roster at 12 max and 3 on reserve. Now, players play less minutes, less games, and longer rotations...9-12 players. 15 players with 18 max. Yes, I understand the pace is more but a similary paced late 70's to mid '80's had guys again playing more minutes per player per game. While I'll concede Malone would average less assists however it wouldn't be by much.
@@willjohnwick6911Lol, didn’t Malone lose? I thought it was about winning? Cause all people like you do especially in the Jordan debate is bring up 4-6 and make it seem like LeBron should get punished as a 22 year old for being able to carry a team to a finals and more trash teams after that. Make up your mind 😅😅😅😅 . Also FYI in that series where he got “spanked” LeBron averaged 38, 8, and 8 and I don’t even think I need to pull Malones stat to know he didn’t do that in the final.
@@robaustin_Why do people keep saying this when it's not true? LBJ averaged 21.8 fga last year and 22.2 this season. Malone average 19.2 fga in 1997 and 16.3 in 1999. So, the 2 seasons Nick uses, LBJ took 22 shots a game and Malone took under 18 shots per game.
LeBron has obviously had a better career than Karl, but lets not act like LeBron has close to the strength that Karl had. Karl would guard Shaq at the end of games, had good post moves, screened and rolled better than anyone, and had a rock solid mid range game. They're totally different players so the whole conversation is a typical "it's summer, we've got nothing to talk about" conversation.
For all those wondering... On the 2 season nick showed, Lebron scored 30.3 & 28.9 / 117.2 & 112.1 (25.8% of team points) Karl Malone scored 25.5 & 27.4 / 103.1 & 96.5 (26.5% of team points) Lebron absolutely did score at a very comprable rate & efficiency
Bruh, the thing isn’t that lebron is miles ahead, it’s that those 2 seasons are MVP seasons for Malone and the 2 seasons from lebron are age 37 and 38 that’s why the seasons are comparable with the averages still being ahead in lebrons favour because of the assists
Again context. the pace ans scorin, rules and philosophies are drastically different. stats mean nothing without context. go back and watch players from the 70s and 60s shoot from steph curry range. it still counted for 2pts. how many people would have better stats if these rules and pace of play were allowed in their eras?
At the risk of sounding like a Bron hater, none of this is the point. It isn’t about the player. It’s about the game. It’s like saying Jordan averaged 45/9/8 against the Monstars but only 30/5/6 against the NBA. In the offense that the Jazz ran, with the skill set that the game told Malone he SHOULD and MUST have, in the overall backdrop of the game that Malone played in, The Mailman did X. In a completely different backdrop, with a mandatory skill set that had already changed drastically even by the time LeBron was drafted and more so since (which to his credit he has largely adapted to), Bron did X. You cannot compare the two X’s.
These two know nothing about basketball^. You're asking a 38 year old man entering his 21st season that he should be banging in the post more often. Ya'll do the math everyone.
@user-gh2df6fk3w You mean the LeBron 1st year in Miami and Dwade remember the league started testing and how the boats buddies all cut and lose weight even Melo back then. Yes LeBron spends millions on his body BUT BACK THEN ALL OF THEM WAS ON THE HGH
Karl Malone was a much better defender. Probably the best legit post defender I ever seen. Most defenders that defend the paint are shotblockers. Like Gobert. Malone could legit guard centers and power forwards. Could even switch to smaller players. 6th all tome in defensive win shares
lol. Nick Wright clearly didn't watch basketball in the 1990s. The game was slower. 27ppg was way more impressive than 29ppg now. Malone's points, rebounds, and assists were all far more impressive; Malone was a more impactful player in his prime than Lebron is right now. Nick's argument is borderline insane.
Why don’t they do a revised comparison based on the average point increase? For instance - if teams score 20% more points per game in this era - add 20% to that stat.
@@noodlezworld3627 Nick and Rich Paul are comparing prime Malone to year 19&20 LeBron. We know that it’s been easier to score the last 5 years of this era than any era before it! Prime Malone is definitely better than these last 2 years of LeBron!
Back in Karl Malone's time the was much physical, teams were more physical and scoring was much more difficult. And as Cherry on top, the probability of getting injured was much higher impacting the players longevity in the League.
You say this cause you watching them now... watch 90's ball, the game was different (doesn't necessarily mean better) also unfair comparing a top 20 guy to a top 2 guy
Karl Malone is one of the only pedos I’ve ever seen still get respect for what he did on the court it’s shocking how they just ignore what he did sickening typical for the sports media I guess tho
This take really showed Nick’s Lebron bias, which hurts his objectivity and clouds his other arguments about Lebron (which he has great takes on Lebron) … The comparison of Lebron’s last two years and Malone’s MVP years based on numbers is what we call playing the numbers and shows that you can find numbers to argue anything you want… if there is no context… anything out of context is a pretext…
Not to say Nick had points, but I think Chris is right. The scoring was way different when comparing eras. LeGone scoring average with Lakers is better than Heat. Are we saying that LeGone Lakers days are better than his tenure in the Heat?
@@Wilkin-vd5wx of course, I am picking LeGone over Malone, but that blind comparison that Nick made is ridiculous. Scoring was different, pace was different, how the game was played is different. LeGone Miami was to me his best cause he was a two-way player much better during this time.
Nick: "i know you can't just do that (throw up number from different eras and compare)"...but you just did that nick karl malone played against REAL nba style defense ...lebron has faced zero defense for the last 10-12 yrs
To me that's all LeBron has ever been a athletic Karl Malone that can dribble. except Karl Malone did have a mid-range and could shoot free throws very well
LeBron in the past few years clearly only care about offensive stats. it's the combination of he knows 99% of the fans only care about offensive stats, AND father time that he knows he can no longer use energy on both ends of the floor like he used to.
for those of who are still on the delusion that Klutch Sorts Nick is off the charts pro Lebron, you can hear it here from his colleagues. " this is a little insulting to Lebron " * Collective sigh from his friends with an " ok " When it comes to Lebron he literally debates like a teenager and would try to convince you that night is day
Nick bodied Bru in that debate, Bru couldn't even make an argument other "you can't just use stats" also, using literally when we already assume you're being literal is how a teenager would type.
@@harrisonpointer7894 They both went nowhere here. None of them “won”. They both had nothing to say to prove their own argument or disprove the other.
@@harrisonpointer7894 take Lebrons stats from whatever year you want, he's better. Is it really that crazy to say the 1st or 2nd greatest player of all time is better at any given point than the maybe 20th best of all time?
This is completely despicable saying "LeBron without his legendary athleticism, is just Karl Malone." Karl Malone was such a dog in the midrange game. His midrange jumpshot from 6-20 feet? Is still top 5 all time from a big man. Up there with Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Hakeem Olajuwon, Rasheed Wallace, and a couple of others. There's a different eras argument as well. Karl Malone had Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Dikembe Mutombo, Chris Webber, Tim Duncan, Patrick Ewing, Sabonis, Shaquille O'Neal, Rasheed Wallace, Cliff Robinson, Moses Malone, Sam Perkins, Robert Parrish, James Worthy, Charles Oakley, Bill Laimbeer, Dennis Rodman, Kevin Garnett, Shawn Kemp, Vlade Divac, Charles Barkley, Elton Brand, and Horace Grant types of guys throughout the entire league to contest with while in the paint. It's not even comparable. Name as many impressive big men, that LeBron would have to compete with in the present day throughout the league? I implore anyone. Also? The league was not allowing guys to get to the free throw line for being breathed on like they are now. LeBron would be able to handle the beating physically because of his fitness, and hard work. But? He wouldn't have been doing whatever he wanted when driving to the rack like he has his entire career thus far while playing in the league. It's funny these younger generations argue for LeBron, and haven't been around long enough to see both eras in their entirety to even be able to make the argument.
Karl Malone and Lebron do have one thing in common: both are good at losing in the finals. Difference is Malone didn’t jump on superteams until he got old.
I’m surprised nobody brought up the pace of play, physicality, and usage of 3 as a point to why Malone’s stats are lower than Lebron’s. It’s basically just like inflation but with NBA numbers lol😂
Nick is paid by Lebron. You are comparing an NBA for the past decade where you can't touch anybody, get called for a foul when passing gas, shooting up 100 3 pointers a night, a mickey mouse game....to the 80s and 90s where you get killed for playing in the paint, and physicality was #1. MJ, Malone, Magic, Drexler, etc. putting up 30pts a game by chucking up 2 pointers every night...think about it.
That stat is misleading, you need to include the team records and playoffs. Going just by the stats that Nick has shown, you’d say lebron is top 3 in the league and better than KD and Steph were during their MVP seasons. Stats so misleading.
The new age rules CONSIDERABLY helped Lebron's career...much like the NFL QB rule changes helped Brady. And same size?? lol, umm Karl was way more muscular....and on flip side tho...slower.
@@Cooleyhyhwhat agenda? He factually started playing in the NBA in 2003. Are you suggesting Kobe, Iverson, Tmac, Shaq, KG and Tim Duncan played in a soft era? You Lebron detractors are something special I swear smh
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I’m in tears yo🤣😂🤣😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😅😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@johncampbell7417guyFF
No thanks LOL..i have enough of NIck's ludacris take on this very short clip :)
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Lebron built a school, Karl Malone shouldn’t be allowed within 100 feet of one
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Stole that from the other vid huh? 😂
Karl was delivering mail to that school!! 😂😂 idc, idc 😂
Mmmmmmm Barz
No one really talks about him getting a really young girl pregnant back in the day……
Malones midrange is extremely underrated
Money from about 13 feet out
Missed it when it mattered tho lol, that's what was so frustrating about him
You mean mid ranged teens?
LeBron doesn't know what mid-range is
@@seanadachi9795 don't need it
To say you could take someone's athletic ability away and they would still be Karl Malone. That is an amazing compliment.
Right that’s what I said
Without Lebron, rich Paul would be working at t mobile rn
@@tono6621 sellin drugs somewhere 😂
Exactly!
I was thinkin the same lol Karl Malone was a muthafuckin beast
In the 96-97 regular season the Jazz scored 103.1 ppg
In the 98-99 regular season the Jazz scored 93.3 ppg.
This gives us an avg of 98.2 ppg. Karl’s 26.1 ppg during those seasons has him scoring ~ 26.6% of his team’s points. (Strictly per game..not a total number stat)
The Lakers over the last two seasons have scored 112.1 ppg and 117.2 ppg respectively. This gives us an avg of 114.65 ppg. LeBron’s 29.6 ppg during those seasons has him scoring ~ 25.8% of his team’s points. (Strictly per game..not a total number stat)
Brou’s point about the volume of scoring is technically correct, but probably isn’t a significant enough difference to be up in arms about the disrespect of Karl Malone. Their scoring numbers are comparable. He should’ve focused less on the volume and more just on the fact that LeBron can score at volume from the outside. He’s Malone’s size, but they play nothing alike. Hard to actually compare
Finally someone who knows what they are talking about. I thought these people had gone extinct, especially in the age of Twitter and TH-cam comment wars.
and it’s way easier to score now
plus lebron has ball 70 percent of time
This show is PERFECT! Brou vs Nick = Platinum!!!!! Wildes = Comedic Gold!!!!
Wildes in the background: geeee willikerrz
Lebron James in 2013 and 2014 vs 2022 and 2023
PPG: 27.0 vs 29.6
RPG: 7.5 vs 8.3
ASG: 6.8 vs 6.5
FG%: 56% vs 51%
FT%: 75% vs 76%
MPG: 37.8 vs 36.4
By Nick's argument, Lebron is a better player now than he was in Miami
At his age now offensively he is....his bag is much bigger (obviously not the same athleticism). It's the defense that's the problem
Miami Bron is just a younger defender not a better one dude just don’t sit in the chair anymore
Timo be fair, he us save for stamina and def.....
Also let's ve real he had 3 other stars on that Miami team?
Not better, smarter.
@@MannyTwice That and he shoots way more 3s which to me is why his points have gone up a bit but his FG% has dipped a bit
Lebron - Four Rings
Malone - Four(teen) year old old knocked up
lmao!
Sad part is she was actually 13. 🤮
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@@LembeckIsStaying 12
And he was 17 or 18 and it gets into the realm of poverty and race.
Broussard calling out Nick was gold
Nick wasn’t wrong
@@jerrodgarland2604 he admitted he was
Malone played 19 seasons. Never missed playoffs. Led Jazz to 18 playoffs when Stock was already washed. Never missed playoffs. Malone longevity was way better than Dirks, KGs, Chucks. Chris has a legit point.
Lebron played 20 seasons and went to 17 playoffs
@@boatfromvsg8062dick riding ain’t you
@boatfromvsg8062 you forgot in year 2 he actually had a winning record and somehow misses playoff?!
Yes Malone was incredibly durable, but so was LeBron until a few years ago. Also, I repeat this constantly but LeBron took 4 different teams to the Finals. FOUR. And only had 1 good coach. Imo familiarity goes a long way. And Sloane was an all time great coach imo..
Last time I checked 🤔🧐 Stockton the ALL TIME assist leader is the reason the Utah jazz made all those playoff appearances .
Karl Malone only missed 10 games his entire 18year stint with jazz that’s crazy
Should have been in prison the whole time
Those teens kept him rejuvenated
@@mitchtherevolution 😆😆😆😆😆😆
And how many rings did he get out of that🫣🫣🫣
@@leroysanders3564
I strongly believe that Utah will never win a championship as the Jazz.
You can't be the Mormon capital of the world, and call your team the Jazz, and expect to not be a cursed franchise.
Based on Nick's logic Luka is better than 93 Jordan. Just look at the numbers. Giannis, Jokic and Embiid are all better than 00-02 Shaq, look at the numbers. God, SGA and Dame are as good of a scorers as 07 Kobe Bryant and OKC Durant, they average similar numbers. Comparing numbers from an era when the pace was the slowest in history to now is silly
Exactly. Part of me feels like Nick knows that this point, they just have to find something to fill the time.😂😂
Context matters. He compared a 37-38 year old to a mvp winner in their prime. You didnt. 🤦♂️ Please get smarter.
@@thisnewnamesystemisdumbI don’t understand why they just keep skipping over that🤣🤦🏾♂️
If due to how slow the pace was can we stop over exaggerating how good the defense was based purely on numbers?🤔
@@thisnewnamesystemisdumbThat was Malone's 13th and 14th year in the league I believe so I wouldn't consider that as prime.
"If LeBron's ceiling would be Karl Malone, he'd be a bust"
- Chris Broussard 2003
Mic drop
This is the research we need
But they aren't talking about LeBron Ceiling there talking about year 20 LeBron nice try though lol
That is not what they are talking though.
@waltertaylor44 but its not relevant to this debate .. this wasn't about LeBron ceiling it was about Malones ceiling and LeBron floor lol
How come its not ok to throw up a bunch a numbers when it comes to Malone and Lebron but its ok to throw up those same numbers to disregard everything else about Lebron.
Right! Or to minimize his numbers and just say "Longevity Longevity". The 2016 Finals being the most egregious example.
Lenron averages 2 more pts per game than karl malone for his entire career... more assists less rebounds.
Wilds is surprisingly very likable now unlike when he started... good job wilds I'm happy for you
Facts he used to be annoying af
It’s actually so INSANE hearing Broussard defend Malone so passionately. Doing a better job than Malone’s defense attorney
Louisiana Pride
Gotta hold on to that 90s/Mj lure
this corny cause thats 30 years old and the girl didn't want press charges lol
I see l showed up on 8mile today not prepared with bars
Yall are dropping these Malone bars are funny!😅😂
He's defending his ability to play a game, not his character. This a sports show, not Law and Order
Best show on planet earth. Fox needs to get this crew paid. They fit so well together
Nick is the type of media personality Barkley talks about when it comes to making it personal
100%. He’s Skip Bayless in different clothes.
Nick just wants to get in LBJ's pants so bad. He's like the nerd that wants the hot girl and embarrasses himself and never gets her.
At least Nick is funny
I mean Nick is a clutch sports guy🤷🏾♂️
Nick has some great takes on everything other team and player in the NBA not name Lebron James. Everything tied to LBJ he over exaggerates or straight up paints everything out of context to make LBJ look greater than he is.
Malone had an actual mid range game and actual post skills. Could actually guard people too. Most big defenders just protect the rim. He could guard bigs.
And have s ex with underage girls
Lebron could guard in his prime like any top defender
@@TheDamis360no he couldn’t
@@wesleymiller3830he could tho… what?
@@wesleymiller3830 He literally locked up Prime D-rose in a playoff series. "locked up" as well as anyone could
Yeah but what they don't understand is that MVP Karl Malone was doing those numbers when the league was also averaging like 91 points a night lol. This is very disrespectful of Karl Malone a very great player. We don't have to disrespect one player to prop up another.
This is the most stat bending performance ever by Nick Wright. Never seen someone use stats and ignore pace and era this much. Actually sick but them klutch boys are paying well
Plus how many games lebrons missed
Lebron scored 25.8% of his teams points and Malone scored 26.5% of his teams points in those two seasons on a per game basis. Another factor was that Malone was a FT merchant and Stockton carried him.
@@stopjordan4193 now bring up average points per game for their teams in both those seasons
@@Person-gk5eewhat does that have to do with the percentage of points they scored?
@@Person-gk5ee 117.2 & 112.1 for lebron's season, 103.1 & 96.5 for Malone. yea pretty similar in terms of percentage, so pace shouldn't be an issue
When Karl came in the league he was strictly an athletic dunk guy. He worked on his game to develop his shooting. He averaged nearly 80 games per season in 18 of his 19 years in the league.
He also avg 80 teens in those years sooo
@@mikemars7888corny , get a life
He also worked on his pickup skill. Around an elementary school.
@@Mithrandir523so players aren’t great without a title? I hate you new dudes
@@Mithrandir523 Thats because he had to face MJ, if LeChina had to face MJ he would never have a title either.
The blind reveal is silly in this instance because Malone was playing in an era where BY THE VERY RULES OF THE GAME it was significantly harder to score. If the roles were reversed, we'd see Malone with better numbers in his twilight years unquestionably. But who am I kidding? We're just filling airtime in July... Still watching and loving every minute, though. XD
" BY THE VERY RULES OF THE GAME" so he was built to be the best he could be for the rules but somehow he would get even better if his build wouldn't be perfectly fit and the rules would be different? 🤣🤣 based on just what ur saying you already dismantled that assertion yourself. not to mention other slew of problems with what ur saying.
@@SadSinStorypeople say anything to discredit any Lebron accomplishments. It was harder to score then because outside of the superstars the league wasn't nowhere near as skilled as the players of today.
@@SadSinStoryfrom what I read you clearly missed the point 😂
The 8% from three in Malone's MVP years was crazy though 😂 I think a lot of old guys back then would have issues to adapting to the shooter league we have now. Shaq for example one of the greatest ever only made one three point his whole career. In today's NBA all the top big men can shoot. Jokic, KD, Embiid. Not being able to shoot as a big man is a flaw that can be exploited like how they exploit Giannis in the playoffs. Giannis lucky he has Middleton to bale him out but Middleton is just not that consistent
By rules of the game it’s harder to score now… being able to double and triple team as much as they want… playing zones… illegal defense calls… just cuz they allowed goons to foul hard doesn’t mean the entire league was like that or that the entire league was elite defensively…
Nick: "I'm gonna do a blind reveal..."
Brou & Wildes: moans and groans...
LMAO
Like, oh, I wonder if Nick found numbers that favor LeBron…
“Josh, still employed” was some beautifully subtle shade at ESPN lmao
Nick wright is signed to Clutchsport, it’s unprofessional for him not disclosing that info
In 1990 Malone played all 82 games and put up 31/11 on 56% shooting. Off court, he's a scumbag, but on the court, dude was a monster
The most sensible comment so far
I agree, he's a Monster on and off the court.
Difference is bron still a monster goin into yr 21 😂
so then don't you mean, on the court, dude was a monster.... off the court
dude was a monster
What was Malone in year 21 though
Wildes is unintentionally hilarious
I know - I died and rewound that aside he made after Brou said he probably didn’t take 100 3’s in his whole career, and without a beat’s worth of time, wildes jokes about how he probably shouldn’t have, if he’s only making 8% of them. Lol wildes is the hero we don’t deserve
And delusional most of the time
not unintentionally--he is a certified clown. world class troll. gotta love him
Wildes is dumb af
Wildes is f’n cringe
Thank you Josh!!! Was the best sentence in this entire argument.
The game is at a far faster pace nowadays Nick meaning more possessions and thus more opportunities to record counting stats and thus those numbers are never quite fair to players that played in eras with a slower pace
Wrong. Another brain washed fan.
It’s not too much different. Pace during Malone’s MVP years were 90 and todays pace is 98. The game was actually faster in the 70s and 80s but that’s unimportant.
So the question is can Karl Malone make up the difference in stats if there were 8 more possessions per game when he played? Odds are, probably not. He couldn’t get enough assists, points and rebounds with 8 more possessions to make up the difference of what LBJ does with about 98 possessions per 48 minutes.
The biggest difference is offensive rating where teams have an offensive rating of 115 league wide whereas during Malone’s years were 105 league wide.
Offensive rating (points per 100 possessions) disregards tempo and number of possessions in a game. So really todays NBA outscored Malone’s NBA by 10 points per 100 possessions. The league’s offense efficiency might be a bigger explanation of why LBJ’s stats look so much better.
The 80s were identical
I almost imploded when they said it was Bru's last day...this week😂
So is he (bru) leaving the show soon?
Lebron only played 110 games the last 2 years. Karl malone in 19 seasons played less than 80 games twice.
Karl malone didn't have to cover as much ground as players do today. Playoff mileage is a factor also.
You can put Stockton in that bracket too
@@sindilacion what????v you guys gotta stop this. malone was in the vpaint banging against big men. lebrick scores by running over smaller players
@@sindilacion19 seasons, multiple long playoff runs. For the longest time the only player that scored more points than Malone was Kareem. There’s your mileage. Y’all can talk about lebron without shitting on other legends. This is just a bad take, Malone was athletic and had a waaaaaay better post arsenal. Lebron would be warriors iggy if he lost his athleticism
He ain’t have to move lol.. he stayed at the top the key and pick and popped. He wasn’t running an offense he wasn’t playing deep into the playoffs for majority of his career and he also had a Pg
The Lakers the last 2 seasons, their pace per game was 102 whereas the Jazz in those 2 years Wright is showing had a pace of 89 so a difference of 13 possessions. That means with Malone's stats as is he'd average more point rebounds and assists per game than LeBron.
Wright just throws numbers out sans context.
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While youre somewhat correct, Karl Malone in no universe would get more assists than lebron. While it's true pace was slower back then, that also meant players needed less cardio conditioning and got hurt much less often. So you can make several different arguments for or against eras which is why it's no use trying to compare stats.
@@DeadSezSoAlso help defense/ zone was considered illegal Defence which resulted in a lot of dudes standing around while one player goes iso on the opposite wing. Imagine what LeBron could’ve done with that “illegal defense” rule, people aren’t ready for that convo tho lol
@@DeadSezSo not necessarily when it comes to cardio. Players then played more games, more minutes and shorter rotations. 8-10 players with the roster at 12 max and 3 on reserve.
Now, players play less minutes, less games, and longer rotations...9-12 players. 15 players with 18 max.
Yes, I understand the pace is more but a similary paced late 70's to mid '80's had guys again playing more minutes per player per game. While I'll concede Malone would average less assists however it wouldn't be by much.
They took around the same amount of shots those
Shut up, Nick Wright. Stop interrupting and truly listen to Chris’s arguments.
I dont know why, but the drumroll Nick does at the beginning pumps me up everytime lol
Malone led his team to 64 wins was all first team offense and defense
Bron led his to 66... MVP 1st tm all def and all nba 🙄
@@xxtooshiestyxx8756THANK YOU…. I was about to say the same.
@@xxtooshiestyxx8756got his DPOY stolen
@@xxtooshiestyxx8756but didn’t make the finals that year Malone made the finals lebron got spanked by the magic 😅
@@willjohnwick6911Lol, didn’t Malone lose? I thought it was about winning? Cause all people like you do especially in the Jordan debate is bring up 4-6 and make it seem like LeBron should get punished as a 22 year old for being able to carry a team to a finals and more trash teams after that. Make up your mind 😅😅😅😅 . Also FYI in that series where he got “spanked” LeBron averaged 38, 8, and 8 and I don’t even think I need to pull Malones stat to know he didn’t do that in the final.
Thank you Chris for the pushback to Nicky and his numbers
Chris is incapable of listening to the point and understanding nuance. He's dense.
Chris's points don't make sense because they took the same amount of shots per game
@@robaustin_Why do people keep saying this when it's not true? LBJ averaged 21.8 fga last year and 22.2 this season. Malone average 19.2 fga in 1997 and 16.3 in 1999.
So, the 2 seasons Nick uses, LBJ took 22 shots a game and Malone took under 18 shots per game.
Nick the biggest LeBron Stan out there
Chris’ face at 3:27…lmao 😂 my man’s was sick😂😂😂
6:20 brou got nick with the wilt example because nick is disregarding the nature of the game changing. He got nick thats why he was all upset
9:22 Karl Malone shot 27.4% from 3pt line for his career and he took 310 for his career.
@@1newme425 naw it’s correct based off basketball reference…
He also shot 100% at 13 year old girls in his career
LeBron and Stockton not going to the finals is an extremely crazy take lmao
I was waiting for this!!!
Malone made all defensive first team both of his MVP seasons.
This is the only channel that keeps me invested for almost 20 minutes
LeBron has obviously had a better career than Karl, but lets not act like LeBron has close to the strength that Karl had. Karl would guard Shaq at the end of games, had good post moves, screened and rolled better than anyone, and had a rock solid mid range game. They're totally different players so the whole conversation is a typical "it's summer, we've got nothing to talk about" conversation.
For all those wondering...
On the 2 season nick showed, Lebron scored 30.3 & 28.9 / 117.2 & 112.1 (25.8% of team points) Karl Malone scored 25.5 & 27.4 / 103.1 & 96.5 (26.5% of team points)
Lebron absolutely did score at a very comprable rate & efficiency
Finally somebody said it
Bron also better passer an defender bc he can guard 1-4 an sometimes the 5 depending on who the 5 is
Bruh, the thing isn’t that lebron is miles ahead, it’s that those 2 seasons are MVP seasons for Malone and the 2 seasons from lebron are age 37 and 38 that’s why the seasons are comparable with the averages still being ahead in lebrons favour because of the assists
Again context. the pace ans scorin, rules and philosophies are drastically different. stats mean nothing without context. go back and watch players from the 70s and 60s shoot from steph curry range. it still counted for 2pts. how many people would have better stats if these rules and pace of play were allowed in their eras?
At the risk of sounding like a Bron hater, none of this is the point. It isn’t about the player. It’s about the game. It’s like saying Jordan averaged 45/9/8 against the Monstars but only 30/5/6 against the NBA.
In the offense that the Jazz ran, with the skill set that the game told Malone he SHOULD and MUST have, in the overall backdrop of the game that Malone played in, The Mailman did X.
In a completely different backdrop, with a mandatory skill set that had already changed drastically even by the time LeBron was drafted and more so since (which to his credit he has largely adapted to), Bron did X.
You cannot compare the two X’s.
We don’t f with km13
Nick got owned in this one
stop comparing eras..There is zero defense in today's NBA and lacks the following.
“To the guy that impregnated a teenager” left that out Broussard.
Two teenagers.
In fairness. So did lebron. Granted he was also a teen.
Why would he put that in?? He is talking about what he did on the court. Malone was a beast
thats 30 years ago fool you wasn't even born how you speaking on some you know nun about
@@mr.mr.4772two!?
That’s why I don’t understand why he don’t want to play in the post. Karl Malone was an absolute unit. And he was a great athlete in his prime
He could extend his career even more if he did that on top of the HGH.
These two know nothing about basketball^. You're asking a 38 year old man entering his 21st season that he should be banging in the post more often. Ya'll do the math everyone.
How many rings did playin in the post get Malone 😂
Tell me you don't know about the modern NBA without telling me 😂
@user-gh2df6fk3w You mean the LeBron 1st year in Miami and Dwade remember the league started testing and how the boats buddies all cut and lose weight even Melo back then.
Yes LeBron spends millions on his body BUT BACK THEN ALL OF THEM WAS ON THE HGH
Karl Malone was a much better defender. Probably the best legit post defender I ever seen. Most defenders that defend the paint are shotblockers. Like Gobert. Malone could legit guard centers and power forwards. Could even switch to smaller players. 6th all tome in defensive win shares
Couldn’t guard his lust fit minors.
@@ubong5172 🤣
I scrolled down to the comments, was not disappointed.
lol. Nick Wright clearly didn't watch basketball in the 1990s. The game was slower. 27ppg was way more impressive than 29ppg now. Malone's points, rebounds, and assists were all far more impressive; Malone was a more impactful player in his prime than Lebron is right now. Nick's argument is borderline insane.
Why don’t they do a revised comparison based on the average point increase? For instance - if teams score 20% more points per game in this era - add 20% to that stat.
I always say, go back 20 years, and 25 points in the 90s-early 2000s is equal to about 30 points today.
Lol comparing LBJ to anybody but the goat sounds disrespectful to me.
To Malone, not to lebron
@@magicjohnson5733are you blind?
Everyone let’s Brou get his point across once nick speaks brou cuts him off a lot sometimes …. Still the best show ever
Nick got fed up quick 😆😆😆😆
Brou doesn't have coffee in that cup🍇😂😂😂😂
It's already stated its easier to score in this era so the LBJ numbers are inflated. LeBron is more athletic but Malone would bully LBJ on the block.
Definitely would bully LeBron in the paint!
He def cam in 03 when the league was still rough am i not mistaken 😂 yall b pushing it
@@noodlezworld3627dude we’re talking about now not in 2003 🤡 reading is fundamental
@@noodlezworld3627 Nick and Rich Paul are comparing prime Malone to year 19&20 LeBron. We know that it’s been easier to score the last 5 years of this era than any era before it! Prime Malone is definitely better than these last 2 years of LeBron!
Back in Karl Malone's time the was much physical, teams were more physical and scoring was much more difficult. And as Cherry on top, the probability of getting injured was much higher impacting the players longevity in the League.
The true meaning of Power Forward he doesn't have Malone's Heart.
The probability of injury is statistically higher today.
yea that last part is just a straight up a lie
Wildes is the best thing about this show.
Real talk I didn’t like him at first. I compared him to skip because they both like to troll. Wildes actually knows wtf he is doing
I feel like Karl Malone was more muscular than Lebron, they always compare that. Lebrons arms don’t look like Karl Malones arms.
Basically same weight class and height just different body frames
Malone Had A Medieval Bodyguard Body
Rich Paul opinion don't mean a thing. a prime karl malone is way better than a prime lebron.
Lebron compared to Karl Malone is like comparing Reggie Miller to Stephen Curry.... Accept this generation of players does everything better.
They surely don't defend or stay healthy in comparison to back then.
Not defense.
You say this cause you watching them now... watch 90's ball, the game was different (doesn't necessarily mean better) also unfair comparing a top 20 guy to a top 2 guy
@@langanhlakanipho I thought the same thing how can they compare lebron to Karl?? There's really no comparison.
Here Nick go being outta pocket 🤣🤣
Karl Malone is one of the only pedos I’ve ever seen still get respect for what he did on the court it’s shocking how they just ignore what he did sickening typical for the sports media I guess tho
Thanks Chris
When wilds said, josh… still employed 🤣
Imagine if Karl Malone teamed up with micheal Jordan & Hakeem Olajuwon like Lebron did with wade & bosh in his prime.. ridiculous argument
Are you saying Wade is equal to MJ? Are you saying Hakeem and Bosh are the same?
Karl Malone is athletic. End to end he was faster than some guards. Lebron would be more like later years Magic Kohnson if he lost athletic prowess
This take really showed Nick’s Lebron bias, which hurts his objectivity and clouds his other arguments about Lebron (which he has great takes on Lebron) … The comparison of Lebron’s last two years and Malone’s MVP years based on numbers is what we call playing the numbers and shows that you can find numbers to argue anything you want… if there is no context… anything out of context is a pretext…
He doesn't have great takes on Lebron. Thats false.
Not to say Nick had points, but I think Chris is right. The scoring was way different when comparing eras.
LeGone scoring average with Lakers is better than Heat. Are we saying that LeGone Lakers days are better than his tenure in the Heat?
@@Wilkin-vd5wx of course, I am picking LeGone over Malone, but that blind comparison that Nick made is ridiculous. Scoring was different, pace was different, how the game was played is different. LeGone Miami was to me his best cause he was a two-way player much better during this time.
This is what is so toxic about Lebron, his posse and his fans. They attack other people's legacy just to say he was better.
Karl Malone 😮google him before you compare him to anyone else 🤔🤔
These segments where Nick sets up numbers and makes huge assertions show where Nick is a absolute prisoner of analytics and his love for Bron.
People like Nick are a CANCER to sports media
FYI, in 97 and 98 he went through Shaq both times
Labron doesn't have the post game of Malone.
Nick: "i know you can't just do that (throw up number from different eras and compare)"...but you just did that nick
karl malone played against REAL nba style defense ...lebron has faced zero defense for the last 10-12 yrs
Nick is on one today.
Malone is a despicable human being so idgaf if he’s catching shade like this.
It's not about his humanity or morals, it's a pure basketball conversation
IDGAF THAT YOU DGAF!
Watching Broussard destroy nick (pause) is half of what makes this show awesome. That Malone segment was a blowout sweep.
To me that's all LeBron has ever been a athletic Karl Malone that can dribble. except Karl Malone did have a mid-range and could shoot free throws very well
#7 rebounder is a surprise greater player in that area than I thought
LeBron in the past few years clearly only care about offensive stats. it's the combination of he knows 99% of the fans only care about offensive stats, AND father time that he knows he can no longer use energy on both ends of the floor like he used to.
Because he’s 38 he can’t give you both end of the floor.
2020 Lebron was a beast on the defensive end tough.
for those of who are still on the delusion that Klutch Sorts Nick is off the charts pro Lebron, you can hear it here from his colleagues.
" this is a little insulting to Lebron "
* Collective sigh from his friends with an " ok "
When it comes to Lebron he literally debates like a teenager and would try to convince you that night is day
Nick bodied Bru in that debate, Bru couldn't even make an argument other "you can't just use stats" also, using literally when we already assume you're being literal is how a teenager would type.
@@kangaroocourt9507 Brou won that easily. comparing 1999 statline to 2023 is utterly ridiculous and anyone with any basketball knowledge knows that
@@harrisonpointer7894 They both went nowhere here. None of them “won”. They both had nothing to say to prove their own argument or disprove the other.
@@harrisonpointer7894 take Lebrons stats from whatever year you want, he's better. Is it really that crazy to say the 1st or 2nd greatest player of all time is better at any given point than the maybe 20th best of all time?
@@kangaroocourt9507 This is a Nick burner account for sure.
Malone never missed the playoffs in his entire career. In today's league, no one would stop Malone.
Lebron is really 6'8 245 most of his career. Karl Malone was 6'9'1/2 and also 265. Malone was bigger.
Malone was bigger I don't know what they're on about
Lebron is currently barely a top 10 player but he’s better than a top 20 player all time?
nick be glazing hard
With no shame
“You can’t just throw up a bunch of numbers and say he’s just as good”
Literally the sports analysts entire job
No, that's what the official keeping statistics does.
i'm kinda happy chris put the hammer on nick. Nick was being mad ridiculous and insulting.
We must of watched different videos, Bru just yelled and grasped for answers. Nick bodied him in this debate.
What is Nick talking about ... prime Malone would run through todays Lebron ...
This is completely despicable saying "LeBron without his legendary athleticism, is just Karl Malone." Karl Malone was such a dog in the midrange game. His midrange jumpshot from 6-20 feet? Is still top 5 all time from a big man. Up there with Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Hakeem Olajuwon, Rasheed Wallace, and a couple of others. There's a different eras argument as well. Karl Malone had Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Dikembe Mutombo, Chris Webber, Tim Duncan, Patrick Ewing, Sabonis, Shaquille O'Neal, Rasheed Wallace, Cliff Robinson, Moses Malone, Sam Perkins, Robert Parrish, James Worthy, Charles Oakley, Bill Laimbeer, Dennis Rodman, Kevin Garnett, Shawn Kemp, Vlade Divac, Charles Barkley, Elton Brand, and Horace Grant types of guys throughout the entire league to contest with while in the paint. It's not even comparable. Name as many impressive big men, that LeBron would have to compete with in the present day throughout the league? I implore anyone. Also? The league was not allowing guys to get to the free throw line for being breathed on like they are now. LeBron would be able to handle the beating physically because of his fitness, and hard work. But? He wouldn't have been doing whatever he wanted when driving to the rack like he has his entire career thus far while playing in the league. It's funny these younger generations argue for LeBron, and haven't been around long enough to see both eras in their entirety to even be able to make the argument.
Karl Malone and Lebron do have one thing in common: both are good at losing in the finals. Difference is Malone didn’t jump on superteams until he got old.
One thing they don’t have in common: being smart. Karl missed out on the superteam train when he was younger.
@@Dr.Elaine1 players didn't jump like that pre Bron. There was pride among players.
@@Dr.Elaine1 you call that “not smart”, I call that loyalty
@@erikpuka2627Mj had the best rebounder ever and other best 2 way, pippen, Barkley, and Hakeem played together….Gary Payton, kobe, shaq, metta
@@erikpuka2627Celtics had rondo, kg, ray Allen and Paul pierce
You think LeBron would sleep with 13 year olds?
Skip would believe it 😂
@@bingbong4074 "You know it and I know it!"
@@bingbong4074 😅
@@chiefmiyagi9802 🤣
I’m surprised nobody brought up the pace of play, physicality, and usage of 3 as a point to why Malone’s stats are lower than Lebron’s. It’s basically just like inflation but with NBA numbers lol😂
Nick is paid by Lebron.
You are comparing an NBA for the past decade where you can't touch anybody, get called for a foul when passing gas, shooting up 100 3 pointers a night, a mickey mouse game....to the 80s and 90s where you get killed for playing in the paint, and physicality was #1.
MJ, Malone, Magic, Drexler, etc. putting up 30pts a game by chucking up 2 pointers every night...think about it.
That stat is misleading, you need to include the team records and playoffs. Going just by the stats that Nick has shown, you’d say lebron is top 3 in the league and better than KD and Steph were during their MVP seasons. Stats so misleading.
The new age rules CONSIDERABLY helped Lebron's career...much like the NFL QB rule changes helped Brady. And same size?? lol, umm Karl was way more muscular....and on flip side tho...slower.
What do u mean by new age rules? Bc lebron played half his career in a tough physical era too
@@Frank-nz1wrno tf he didn’t 😂 don’t change the narrative just to fit your agenda
What new age rules ?
@@Frank-nz1wrpeople act like Lebron start playing like 5-8 yrs ago
@@Cooleyhyhwhat agenda? He factually started playing in the NBA in 2003. Are you suggesting Kobe, Iverson, Tmac, Shaq, KG and Tim Duncan played in a soft era? You Lebron detractors are something special I swear smh