"From the River to the Sea": Omer Bartov on Contested Slogan & Why Two-State Solution Is Not Viable
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- Israeli American scholar Omer Bartov says the two-state solution is dead after decades of Israeli settlement building in the West Bank, making the creation of an independent Palestinian state all but impossible. He says a one-state solution - a single democratic state for all Jewish Israelis and Palestinians - is also unlikely to work given the competing national visions of the two communities. "The only solution is a confederation," says Bartov, describing a scenario in which two states would be closely intertwined and interdependent. He also discusses the phrase "from the river to the sea," used by both Israelis and Palestinians to refer to the land.
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The Israel minister said to nuke Gaza that worst than Palestinian slogan.
No one repeated that idea, let alone became a national slogan…
No country should be allowed based on ethno religious supremacy
Tell that to all other countries in the world where that is the case.
Tell it to Saudi Arabia
@@slavalib7587the western media already depicts Saudis and Arabs as violent extremist and misogyny/antiLGBTQ, as if that’s not also happening in the western countries
As a Muslim I agree because the world belongs to all human beings, rules should justice everyone.
Especially since you cannot enter this religion if you want to, as it is a religion that is closed on itself
If the idea of Palestinians being free "from the river to the sea" offends them, image how they will react to ALL PEOPLE being free EVERYWHERE.
Yes free of Hamas!
@jeremiasrobinson, the controversy over the slogan is that there are two interpretations of it by people who use it.
(1) For some they use it to mean Palestinians will be free, but not about the destruction of Israelis.
(2) For others they use it to mean Palestinians will be free, by destroying Israel.
Israel and the supporters of Israel of course think anyone using the slogan means (2).
All people being free from democracy everywhere in order to enjoy the freedom of the caliphate and Sharia, you mean?
@@MusingsFromTheJohn00They don't actually believe (2). Nobody does. They pretend to because they want to pose as victims and justify killing children
Because it does mean number 2 regardless of any other justification you want to think
This isn't just happening in the U.S., this is a coodinated effort in many countries
Continued world pressure as never been seen before will break an already weak joe.Believe it.
@ishaks8152 break which way though? Joe and his family have made crooked deals with every country on the planet.
@@-THE-REPENT- Most western governments don't care. I won't be surprised if they do some inside job to influence people to support their crimes.
@@-THE-REPENT-say that when it comes to the presidential race.
Let's see how much will Joe care then.
All the world leaders used the words "unconditional support" at the exact same time.
Every western nation is in the palm of israel's hand.
One democratic secular state is the only solution in which Jews , Muslims, Christians and others live together with equal rights and responsibilities of citizenship
I agree with you 100%
Israël is the only state in the world that established based on a religion it is not a secular State and will never be
And it is not a democratic state
@@contact594 what vacation bible school told you that?
@arshadwaheed a secular state would not work . Most Muslims do not believe in a separation of religion and state. And based history of violence against religious minorities in the surrounding Arab countries it would just cause more violence.
Condemning Israel's war CRIMES isn't antisemitism! Palestinians are Semites as well.
Semantics
Ignoring hamas brutal attacks on civilians and calling it de colonization, or petendenig october 7 didnt happen, is antisematism.
We are not allowd to be killed and butherd just because we are israelis.
The term “antisemitism” does not refer to hostility to Semitic people in general. You can love Palestinians and still be an antisemite.
Yes it does Israel is the victim they shouldn't be condemned at all
Arabs are 90% of the sematic race!
Clear take from Bartov. He acknowledges his bias, integrates the opposing argument and delivers his reasoned opinion. Excellent.
But he is quite happy to go along with Amy’s disgraceful misrepresentation of why the students were doxxed.
Israel protects its civilians with rockets, Hamas protects their rockets with civilians 😳
'Since the beginning of the occupation in 1967, Israeli security forces have repeatedly used Palestinians in the West Bank and in the Gaza Strip as human shields' (B’Tselem - Israeli Human Rights organisation)
@@darrenjamrock2677 lol, the less you know the funnier you are 😂😂😂😂😂
One State solution with equal rights for all is the best solution.
That could never happen with the current government of Israel.
What happens to their property which was stolen?
Hamas wants an Islamic state. They want to kill all Jews. It’s in their charter if you cared to do some research
@mrteacher1315, if Israel could combine all of Israel and all of the Palestinian Territory and Jerusalem where Jews and Palestinians all have equal rights, including the right of return, that would be best. But, the hatred between these two groups probably makes that impossible.
Thus a two state option I think is the only solution, but it can only work if a third party military occupied the Palestinians or the benefit of the Palestinians to then protect Palestinians from Israel, but also protect Israel from the Palestinians, while providing general armed security for the Palestinian population. That will be very hard to achieve, because other countries do not want to make the effort required to do it.
It's the ideal solution but I don't know if it's workable in the current conditions. Enough people would have to be willing to be citizens of this state first, Jews or Palestinian second. I fear that's a long way off.
I like the solution but when Israel has a 500 Billion GDP and their concentration camp known as Palestine has a 20 Billion GDP the solution has to come with reparations.
How about the clear genocide of the 1,400+ Israeli’s perpetrated by 2,000-3,000 Palestinian’s trained and sanctioned by Hamas. It isn’t just ignorance from those who chant “from the river to the sea” … it is the intractable view Palestinian’s have held for 70+ years and before that by centuries that Jew’s should be removed from “their” land and if they die that is fine. They do not recognize that Jews are as indigenous to that area as they are.
European Jews are not.
@@valerieconnell2962 It is like saying arab living in London is not indigenous to arabia.
@@natalies4849 European Jews are not indigenous to the Middle East. Neither are American Jews. I am a Canadian Jew. I am not indigenous to the Middle East.
@@valerieconnell2962 But your ancestors were indigenous to Israel. I am israeli jew born in Belarus and never felt that Belarus is my homeland because it really isn't. Have a nice day.
He's telling you his ancestors weren't indigenous to Israel over and over and you're too arrogant and dense to listen , White people aren't from there period .
Oh Amy. The students were doxed because they signed a resolution blaming Israel for HAMAS attack, not because of protesting. Keep it real.
Amy’s treatment of this matter was quite disgraceful. Bartov just goes along with it!
@@MrAlexsegal Bartov can’t see the forest for the trees. I can’t belief he called Jews nazis. Way to arm the haters with fresh propaganda! I couldn’t find the peace symbol so I’m sending you 🩵💚💛🧡s in it’s place.
HAMAS’S actions are a direct result of Israel’s fascist, apartheid policies.
It been 1 month already go learn History and stop believe in news ,Hamas IS created because israeli occupation and opression
Dr. Bartov your words on your proposed government of two states are music to my ears, and salve to my sorrows. Brunonians think alike…. I hope your idea prevails
Unimaginable. Also in the long run the one-state would not benefi the Israelis assuming the Palestinians were given the right to vote. This is why Israel does not want a one state. Israel would cease to exist, but perhaps that is the only just resolution.
I have no power to enact this, but if it was up to me, every last settler in the West Bank would be dragged out by their heels, just like we saw in 2005, and their buildings and infrastructure turned over to the Palestinians. If the Israelis want the land so bad, then they should have annexed it formally and offered citizenship to the residents, just like they did in the Golan, or at least integrated it as an autonomous, self-governing region. Instead they have used violence to enact an illegal land grab, doing their best to make life unbearable for the Palestinians with their checkpoints, walls and resource appropriation, in the vain hope that the Palestinians will pack up and go. Not only is it immoral, its stupid; they don't have anywhere else to go. Its impossible to tell now, but if the Israelis had tried to incorporate the West Bank into Israel constructively, its possible Arafat's terrorist campaign in the late 80s might have never have got off the ground.
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STAND IN SOLIDARITY WITH PALESTINE🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸..May they be free from.opression..Genocide must STOP❤💚🖤
Well they offered to give it back to Jordan but Hussein didn’t want it and after the events of Black September in 1970 it’s easy to see why.
Arafat is not a terrorist. WE DONT FORGET VIETNAM. IRAQ, LIBYA, AFGHAN. WHO THE REAL TERROR IS
If every freedom movement is called terrorism than so was George washington and all the rebellious yankees. They were too terrorist
Thank you very much for explaining the different intrepretation of this sentence. It is no call for violence.
There is an Israeli song that wishes Palestinians, “may your village burn down.” Unfortunatelly, this is exactly what it is happening now in Westbank.
Israel is committing a genocide, so the feelings of the Israeli people about an emancipatory chant and not top of my priorities
It is worth reading what Wikipedia says about the meaning of the expression “from the river to the sea”. Neither speaker in this video manages to say anything that refutes the Wikipedia account. The kind of journalism at issue in this video seems to me to be quite irresponsible.
Wikipedia is just an open source. It is not a scientific reliable source for academic research.
I go for the academic source, Professor Researcher Bartov.
But did you listen to what Bartov actually says? He questions the value of even thinking about the meaning of expression! Why do people trust this man? Incredibly Amy seeks no clarification. This is journalism at its worst - journalism complicit with antisemitism.
@@MrAlexsegal You assume Wikipedia is a reliable source. It's a crowd-sourced repository of information. This means it might have correct info, it might have false info. Most articles seem to be correct with bits of opinion, conjecture, misinformation, disinformation, and lies. A few articles are outright lies or fabrications - especially those edited by Chinese, on topics they want to spin. What you find on a Wikipedia article depends on who last edited it. Anyone can add or lie on it.
Rely on trustworthy sources, like scholarly & academic sources. Learn HOW to learn the truth. Don't "google stuff".
These same students issued a letter roundly condemning Israel who hadn’t even responded!
The donors who rescinded job offers! Fabulous idea. Wish I could have been a fly on the wall when they realized that there was going to be consequences!!!
A one-state solution is the only way. All modern countries are doing it. Living cohesively with other ethnicities and combating racism is the way forward.
One land, one people, one government, freedom, and equal representation.
Israelis' superior race claim and behaviour is pathological. So....
Oil and water don’t mix. Israel is Israel, Palestine is Palestine. They have nothing in common with each other, and don’t want to share a country, and a constant demographic battle
Non starter. The Jewish ppl won’t become the next genocide victims of the Sunni Arab death cult.
Try telling that to Netenyahu and co...
Sry, but a one-state solution would stop working the moment another Netanyahu would take over, be it a Zionist or a Sunni one.
Why Israiel not be declared as a teirriorist for what it did and is still doing?
Could it be because they are a client state of the most prominent terrorist organization in the world - the US? The world knows about US atrocities but dares not label it terrorism. The US's protection of Israel confers them the same immunity.
Bravo 😂 👏👏👏👏👏 Standing ovation !
Because they’re not.
@@davidreidenberg9941 Is killing 4000 children not terrorism? Is killing 3000 women not terrorism? Is cutting food, water and power to 2 million people not terrorism?
@@SadaK-tr6dmIt's terrorism only when brown people do it. When white people murder hoards of civilians it's "self defense ".
Who does not punishes crime,commands crime😢😢
I'm anti genocidal maniacs and that goes for the jewish type as well. Free Palestine!
Amy Goodman sounds like a teenager complaining to her parents; 'I'm reading the Likud charter and it says there's no place for Palestinians here, why can't Palestinians say there's no place for Jews here?' Well done mr Bartov, directing her question to the much more essential question of interpretation and how the territory should be shared..
I think the confederation solution is interesting. Although it can get pretty bloody if people choose to stay where they are without enjoying Israeli government's security. So either it's their own call, or some kind of transition period might be needed (calculated reducing of Israeli control) during which trust can be regained between the parties.
A two-state solution with big big concessions on Israel's part in the West Bank (they own this to the Palestinians) might still be the most realistic after all. I'm not sure..
it's a red herring question anyway. Everyone knows that Israel is the one carrying out what Likud intended right now! Big concessions on the West Bank. You think? They are currently murdering Palestinians carte blanche. Do you really think they will stop and hand it back?
How long would Palestine be free? How did the Arab Spring turn out?
from the river to the sea, be Palestinian free.
"From the River to the Sea" sounds almost identical to
"From SEA to Shining Sea"
Thank you Prof.Bartov for your contribution for Humanity.
Yeah he supports Genocide of Palestinians
He is a horrible liar
Bartov goes along with the interviewer’s shocking misrepresentation of what motivated the doxxing at Harvard.
@@MrAlexsegalnot really. Were there some justifying Hamas’s actions, yes, and that is problematic. But those billionaires and their Israel supporters stayed silent about Israel murdering thousands and committing terrorist acts every day, and they did nothing to call out Israel supporters that spouted genocidal rhetoric. They were not pro human rights and this doxxing was not pro human rights. They were merely pissed about rhetoric against Israel and some rhetoric against Israeli people. They were not pissed about Israel committing genocide.
@democracynow please also have experts speak about the financial gains for the UK, US, Israel ie trillions in oil reserves in Gaza and the creation of a canal.
How about some reporting on "Peace
There must be some left in the world!?
It's getting to be the "war" report
I know it's extremely important
But maybe Just a Little bit of contrast
Could make a brighter day?
Democracy When?
The primary reason for Israel is to create a sanctuary nation for Jews. The one-state solution concept is antisemitic and disrespectful, a complete denial of the holocaust and the Eoropean genocide of Jews. Stop proposing an idea that will never under any circumstances be accepted. That concept is a waste of intellect and is heard with revulsion and nausea by most Jews. The professor's two state confederacy concept is wonderful, but how does he think Israel should handle terrorism by Palestinians (and rewards to their families, if given by the Palestinian government) in that scenario?
This guy never truly recognizes the fact that Palestinians were intentionall;y removed from their homes and land in Israel....and were denied citizenship. even though that right was stipulated in the UN resolution that created israel. He just greys the issue very much. | can't respect him a whole hell of a lot. His idea is incredibly ridiculous. Creating states based solely on ethnicity is the worst solution possible, if one wants peace. The only real solution is to give proper rights to all Palestinians, which should have happened in 1948. Israelis have had those rights long ago. Israelis are simply afraid of Palestinian democratic dominance. Tough shit, in my opinion.
So, in other words, the guest agrees that from the river to the sea is a call for annihilation and expulsion.
Not simple as that, he stated that the use of the slogan must make way for a diverse, indiscriminate-of-ethnicity singular state as explained in the answer to the last question. I take it as an acknowledgement that ethnicities from both sides are valid and there thus must definitely be a one-state from the river to the sea, but one with policies that can unite what are now Palestinians and Israelis. Both have rights to self determination and that must be accomodated for the proposed new Palestine. Those are my two cents.
@@gwarchive listen again. He didn't say what you think he said.
Free Palestine .
I hate that truck that smears people. I have seen it in action and it is a pathetic way to get any message across.
Dehumanization of both sides? Only one side is being ethnically cleaned from it's own land, jailed in a concentration camp, and methodically being killed in a genocide. Oct 7 was a tragedy but that would be almost a normal day for Palestinians.
So, you don't really know what happened on that day.
Israel did not make such barbaric and sadistic acts
.
All about land grab,plain and simple.
I love how they act like there can be a political solution to the religious war Hamas is fighting. They clearly do not understand Hamas.
Very enlightening, thanks
From the River to the Sea, Judea will be free!!!
In the absence of any Palestinian declared policy against Jewish people rather than Zionism, the slogan "From the river to the sea Palestine will be free" should be taken at face value, ie Palestinians (which include Jewish, Muslim, and Christians) simply want to be free in their own land.
It's not their land never was never will be
@@elvangulley3210 Of course, it was their land. In 1900, 95% of the population was Arab Muslim and Christian (85% Muslim, 10% Christian) and most of the 5% Jews were Arabic speaking Jews. So you're trying to tell me Jews in Europe were more connected to the land and the ancients after being gone for 2,000 years? Yeah, that doesn't make sense.
@@QUINTUSMAXIMUS it was never their land Arab kingdoms pushed out 2 different Jewish kingdoms
@@elvangulley3210it was never your land. Palestinians have been living there for thousands of years. Youre from Europe with ZERO percent Semitic dna in you.
You converted to Judaism 1000 years ago, youre not from the 12 tribes of Israel.
You're a European colonizer
@@elvangulley3210it wasnt the arabs it was the Romans. Pick up a history book.
Why lie?
There's only ONE STATE...COUNTRY & THE STATE OF 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸
A population that has quadrupled in number is not experiencing a genocide.
Losing all their land, is genocide. Living in terror and an open air prison is genocide. Not being allowed on Jewish only land is apartheid.
I just pray and hope that Palestinian get victory over Israel and they get their occupied land back and live their lives in peace and free Aameen
I think the one state solution is the most prospective option. It worked in Canada, it can work in the Middle East. It would make the equality of all the humans living there legal. This would prevent de-humanisation.
We need to talk about islam first, because muslims dehumanize me every day, and they simply can't stop doing that.
And I am not even gay, jew, christian or hindu, yet they believe I should burn in hell unless I change myself completely.
Lol. Hilarious analysis.
@@waterbottles4744You might as well laugh at Moishe Dayan. You think so?
I would laugh at him. He was wrong. He should have listened to the ideas of Meir Kahane. There would be peace now. Moshe Dayan was completely wrong.@@republica13
1 state: Palestinerael here Israelistine there!
When the state of Israel was founded, someone proposed a bilateral trade plan to show "reasonableness and fairness." When after the establishment of the state of Israel, the Palestinian people were unable to establish a state for them and the land was continuously eroded by Israel, it is not feasible for someone to replace Israel and wash the negotiation plan now !
With all due respect he is suggesting a policy that has a slim chance at best, of working
The real saying is...from the river to the sea, Palestine will be Jew free.
There is another national government that would call any criticism of them, criticism of the state religion. They call themselves the Taliban.
From the river to the Palestine will be free 🇵🇸
From every river and every sea may all beings be free.
Any else notice all of the mainstream news at once stopped reporting the daily Gazan deathtoll?
Because everything originating from the Gaza ministry of health must be taken with a grain of salt .
@@davidreidenberg9941when the IDF drops tons of bombs on a densely populated city for a month, don't you think 10000 dead is a reasonable estimate? I bet you take IDF statements as gospel though. Typical.
@@davidreidenberg9941or must bé for us citizen to not knowing for whats hapenning there
Where is the proof of the 40 slaughterd babys?? Is this the waepons of massdistruction this time? A surviver of 7 octobre said that IDF was schooting allover without distinguishing between hamas or civilians! Hamas did not came with Woman and children to the festival or kibboets!
I would have more sympathy for the Palestinians if they didn't think that the holocaust didn't happen or that it wasn't that big of a deal or something like that. What about all the hostages being held in Gaza right now.
So because some Palestinians deny the holocaust, they deserve to have no rights essentially? They deserve to be bombed relentlessly? What kind of augment is that?? Also, why haven’t you mentioned the THOUSANDS of Palestinian hostages that have been rotting inside Israeli jails for YEARS without due process? Many of them are CHILDREN who haven’t been convicted of any crimes.
Why not change it to "From the River to the Sea, We demand Equality" if there is a true desire for Democracy and Equality. Especially given the fact that the original intent of of the saying "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free" was to drive the Jews out of the Middle East. Using that same slogan is like suggesting that a Swastika can be reformed to mean that it is just about protecting German human rights.
Thank you professor ❤
too complex it needs a single democratic state forced on them by a serious BDS
I hope the information about this solution is getting into the hands of those International Interventors and Mediators who can bring this about.
Thr US needs to be taken out as being a "broker" for this Solution to become a reality. Indeed there needs to be equal representation at this riund table - somewhat like the group that Hanan Ashrawi was a part of before the secret Olso Accord stopped this groups negotiations.
100% agree. The US needs to stay out of it.
Getting to Yes, by William S Ury of the Harvard Negotiating Project.
Trump did get out of it. We are better off without the UN and Paris Accords but Marxist Obama put us right back in as soon as the election was done being stolen.😂😂😂 You get what you cheated for!
The only solution is for Palestinians to leave they had their chance to live in peace they chose to be terrorists for 70 years
Prof Bartov's modified 2-state solution does not seem tenable. Putting two people with strong animosity to each other, in close proximity with opposing governments sounds like a lose-lose proposition. Human nature and generations of built-up hatred between them requires that they be kept separate, and helped over time to learn to live in peace. This "inter-mixed 2-states" would be a disaster, since violence would flare-up, continuing today's fury.
so sick of the hola
lies roll off their tongue so easily without their lies they'd be naked
The conflict has exposed the brutality of the western hegemony and also that it is in crisis
I have no doubt about my mind that West is responsible for all craziness is going on the world whether they had created before or they are creating now
I think that Hamas has responsibility for the evil it did on 7 October. I do not believe this evil is purely the responsibility of the West.
Everyone should be able to live wherever they want; regardless of religion. That should apply to both sides. What an unbelievably petty and destructive thing we do to war over religion in 2023.
We should be advocating for a four-state solution - an independent Gaza, West Bank, Israel, and Jerusalum-city state (administered by the UN). This is the only feasible option at this time.
Abby you are the Patron Saint of Journalism.
Who???
What is anti-Semitism if it is not any and all, valid or not, criticism of the Jews? And why is it the worst crime in the world to be an anti-semite?
I am anti-Republican and you may be anti-Democrat but you and I are not criminals because we are against something with which we disagree. Why, then, is it that if you disagree with Israel you have committed the grievous heinous crime of anti-Semitism?
Thank you for your media
Two state is just another way for the criminals to absolve themselves of responsibility.
It sends a message that tells it's ok to invade and colonize.
You might not get 100% of the land, but you will get most of it and slave labor to go with it, basically returning to the same power dynamic we have today.
People seem to forget that Israel is also the employer of most Palestinians, paying them less than minimum wage as it doesn't see them as citizens.
So two state is not compromise.
I wish it was.
One state, preferably under the name of Palestine is a compromise.
Because if the israelis stay in Palestine, they will still control everything in the way of money and industry.
And money controls everything.
Therefore even a one state solution will have the result of being apartheid (or similar to jim crow at least), but at least then Palestinians will regain some rights and the chance to be equals one day.
A beyond terrible compromise but the most realistic one at the moment.
Treating two state as a solution is f-ing bs.
It lets israel get away with all the crimes it gets away with today.
It changes nothing.
I agree with what the professor said regarding the mutual statehood.
I support Palestine. But, hey I like this Israeli American scholar Omer Bartov idea of the two state solution. Both states having equal rights, religious and cultural "right to return" for both Jews and Palestinians.
There is only one Jewish country and 23 Arab countries. Another Arab country is not needed especially at the expense of the only Jewish country. The so-called Palestinians are Arabs who have 23 countries to choose from.
I don’t understand how they justify a right to land that you stole. Someone please explain to me and I don’t want to hear it’s in the Bible. That holds no weight. Even if you want to use the Bible, that was 2000 years ago.
River to sea. Long leave Gaza
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A one-state solution would provide equal citizenship, rights, and freedoms for all Israelis and Palestinians living between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. This includes ending occupation and settlement expansion in the West Bank and blockade of Gaza.
It avoids the need to resolve thorny issues like borders, settlements, Jerusalem, and Palestinian refugees that have doomed a two-state solution.
i am doing everything i can to make sure that the Jews have a true spiritual awakening so that they can lead the way to True Peace.
Make 1 non-ethnic democratic nation with a new name (Olive Trees) for all people with the right of return for all.
Study the works of Ilan Pappe (an Israeli Historian) who supports a one-state solution.
from sea to shining sea? from the river to the sea? i didnt know geography was offensive.
😄 Thanks !
The chant is, from the river to the sea, "Palestine will be free". Freedom can have different shapes, as this concept was defined in various ways through ages and by different philosophers, maybe like in the USA, a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic democratic society, Americans would love that to happen, me too... Only a country where all are free equally is a free country, that is how I understand "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free."
Haha no it’s not. Don’t make excuses - From the River to the Sea, is literally a rallying cry from terrorist groups and their sympathizers, from the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) to Hamas, calling for Israel’s total destruction as stated in their original governing charter in 1988 and was responsible for the October 7, 2023 terror attack on Israeli civilians, murdering over 1,200 people in the single deadliest day for Jews since the Holocaust. It is also a common call-to-arms for the establishment of a State of Palestine from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, wholly erasing the State of Israel and its people.
Omer's twin state solution is almost on point, but i would argue a federated union like in the US is more applicable than the EU model which he proposed. My point is that whomever is living in the holy lands has to acknowledge a shared fate principle, because having a rich state right next to a poor one (with the wealth disparity being part of the history of both states) will only cause trouble in the long run. the only way this will work is if both the Palestinian and Israeli people strive towards a common goal
Germany and France have peace now, they do not want each other to disappear, or surrender.
No common goal, just mutual respect.
But I never heard of anyone able to live with muslims: they have rules and they think their rules apply to everyone.
They even think they know Judaism better than the jews, suggesting jews should also worship the same Arabic alla
there is a ten-state solution: nine Arabic states and one Jewish state, and that's it.
@@worfoz muslims live in germany and in france. you are making this about religion. a twin state is just a way of preserving israeli identity under a complete state without walls or war, it's ridiculous that you don't want that. you'd rather annihilate the native inhabitants of the land you "came back" to than grant them their freedom? doing so will cause the world to eventually stop recognizing israel, so just to argue in the case for israeli self-preservation, a "twin state solution" is the only solution with israel in the picture. after israel eventually loses the information war and with coming generational changes in the west and worldwide etc, israel will be gone if it continues to annihilate palestine the way it is doing now. no one will accept it
@@calleha01 so many slogans. Do you have an opinion at all or you are just a parrot repeating Hamas propoganda?
@@sergeedelstein3463 how about you give an opinion if mine is so "unoriginal"
@@calleha01 Mine is simple, I'm Israeli Jew - I just don't want to be tortured and murdered - "sorry for that", the reality on the ground is far cry from what you think.
All discussed in that topic is based around to take advantage from us, make us weak - immediately after they will 100% slaughter us by your and people like you praises.
They chant God is Great then they rape and murder our kids - it is about the most peaceful religion Islam.
OMG! why was this not propsed ages ago. this is so stupid. Politicians are so incompetent.
b/c Israel would nevr agree and won't stop till the land is 100% theirs
Respectfully Omer, I wouldn't trust that deal as far as you can throw it... The Israeli's are famous for being able to reinterpret fine print to their advantage...
Balanced and helpful interview.
I understand the professor’s point, but people are dying at an excruciating rate right now. So a ceasefire must come first! There will be nobody left to experience the freedom that comes with not being occupied. Experts like the professor do need to stress the necessity of ending the occupation. But the people who are protesting right now, need to continue to call for a ceasefire. Not 4hr pauses. An actual ceasefire!
Why don't they call for releasing the hostages, it is the way to ceasefire?
1-1948 is a non-starter. The existence of the state of Israel is non negotiable. 2- the so-called occupation of “Palestine “ disregards the events that occurred in 1967 that lead to this occupation. 3- what Jew in their right mind would trust his safety and well being to live in a Palestinian state? How many Jews does he think would want to settle in a Palestinian state vs. the number of Arabs that would settle in Israel? This sounds like a Lebanon solution and we all know how that turned out, and he completely ignores the dirty hands of Iran in the region. What evidence does he have to suggest that this proposed Palestinian state would remain peaceful and democratic along the lines of the western democracies. How long does he think it would take before radical islamists would gain control of this Palestinian state and become a dagger into the heart of Israel. HE’S CORRECT. THIS IS A TOTAL PIPE DREAM.
Jews and Palestinians live together before 1948.
The white racial supremacist fascist has spoken now everyone bow down .
@@greencat8949under Ottoman and later British occupation, neither had a state. Jordania, Siria and some other states were proclaimed in 1945-47, merely year or two before Israel proclamation, but only Israel was invaded by newly formed Arab states.
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Right of return. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Perhaps we should start by defining what Palestine is and who the Palestinians are. The two-state model has been on display at least since 1915. Why is the western bank named the western bank and why are these Israeli settlements established there?
I think both nations can make from this place an Oasis of love an forgiveness that is going to teach the world that we are one and must be United.
We are not one, we are many and we differ.
Some religions like to teach us that we all should be united UNDER the rules of that religion, I know. These religions tend to fight each other.
Please forgive all the people that differ from you for wanting different things and doing different things.
@@worfoz If doing different things means genocide, then you answer the world’s question about who must leave the ambition of conquering more land, and they must move where they can live in peace with their neighbors.
I mean:
If Israel feel their people are superior to Arabs, then they must move to a land where the rest can feel superior to Arabs in peace, they should move back to Europe or United State.
I’m sure Israel is loved over these lands.
@@ximenaclaure2524That's the ancestral lands of the Jews, the modern Palestinians are Arabs refugees and immigrants who arrived during the British mandate Palestine.
yes perhaps in several hundred years, but not any time soon.
@@worfoz Your religion is not better than the one of Palestinians religions, I think most Zionists don’t even believe in their religion, they just want more land. Because in the future land is better than gold.
It is greediness!
Some Jews are famous on that.
Before Muslin, Cristians and Jews lived in peace and harmony on that land, until the Greedy EU USA, and England Colonialist feel they can do give away someone’s land as it doesn’t
They want control of the oil of Palestine.🇵🇸
Finally 6:46 , I’ve been Waiting for you to talk about that slogan.
As long as Israel and palstenine are treated equally, nothing wrong lives together. If not, they should have self-examination ,for example, the USA has all the diversity living together and treated equally. No problem, why not palstenine and Israel?
Why is there a wall in Egypt? Why won’t Jordon accept refugees?
That is a dumb argument! Palestinians belong to their own land
@@Mamali316 what is the reason? I really don’t understand.
@@pkaye5876 Why should they? it's a burden on a country to take millions of refugees. Israel exists b/c europe and usa didn't wanna take all the Jewish refugees afrer WW2.
@@pkaye5876 Also, they've accepted a ton already over the years.
@pkaye5876 continues occupation violence, murder, and bombardment in the past 45 years, accelerating after 2001. Bad behavior by the settlers, for illegally expanding and crimes. Just catch up with the history from a non biased Jewish group.
this pearl clutching tone policing is the only criticism they can come up, it shows how desperate they are
What about a 0 state solution where it's essentially controlled from elsewhere, but fairly (by a neutral and secular entity, as much as possible). I'm not sure democracy is the right way to go about this unique situation, rather fairness, justice and equality should be prioritised.
I dont know where you are from, or what dobyou know about israel... but it's the most dellusional idea. Sorry.
My grandparents ran with only the clothes on their bodies from countries that their famelies lived in for hundreds of years, cause these countries gave them to the nazis.
There is no way in the world an independent jewish state that can defend itself, cannot exist.
u.n. should run palestine for a few years as a secular single state. not gonna happen. 'israel' is a glove puppet of usg in middle east. rich american jews seem to use the glove to nudge the empire, sometimes not clear whose hand is up which skirt.
I'm for it.
So how do we go about this now? 😅
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I’ve heard varying reports- is it true that all or almost all of the victims on October 7th were civilians?
All citizens of Israel start military training at the age of 18
@@cdean2789that doesn't make them combatants.
Nobody knows how many civilians were targeted and how many civilians died, not even Hamas. All we have is the numbers reported from the Israeli military, which obviously prefers not to announce that hundreds of its soldiers were slaughtered while still in their boxers.
370 are soldiers
No, over half were serving military, hopefully the truth will be told one day, I hope we do not have to wait too long.
Probably. Including civilians from all over the world.
The problem with 2 states solution there’s a pizza we’re supposed to divide it, but you keep on eating pieces
There are people who say a one state solution would incite a fertility race among the religious extremists on both sides, in order to establish dominance. Well, if you look at population growth curves that race has started long ago. Doesn't bode well for the region, doesn't bode well for the world.
The wiki page on the one state solution says it could paralyze the state on making decisions, cause a lot of fear possibly leading to an exodus, cause massive financial and economic issues, and could even lead to a civil war or Rwandan genocide situation.
October 7 can not be seen in a vacuum. THERE IS A CONTEXT. The people escaped from the cage
And where will this violence take them?
@@tomrecane6366 END THE OCCUPATION! FREE PALESTINE!
Stop asking for money amy.... God knows you dont need it.
Why does your "god" ask for tithing?
@@tracyleighbasham because scam.
It's a nonprofit. They have to ask for money. All non profits do it, in order to survive.
This channel appears to be favored by the TH-cam algorithms. No matter how many times I give it a thumbs down it keeps popping back up. I wonder why that is. I was a subscriber however I unsubscribed when I lost confidence in its impartiality.
It’s all a lot of needless suffering over religion. It’s why there should always be a separation of church and state. Religion shouldn’t have a role in government policy.
"The only viable solution is a pipe dream" - Omer Bartov
This is a dangerous way of thinking that can end up justifying horrors if we treat it as fact.
To you it sounds like realism.
To a criminal state it sounds like the 'ok' to go and commit more atrocities.
Palestinian will never give up the the wish and try to destroy Israel i can’t believe that the professor is so naive
Constitutional Republic!
He fails to bring up a 1 state socialist Marxist solution that leftists advocate for. We also have to keep in mind that liberals will always align with fascists to preserve their power.
He's 100 percent sober and right ,There was secular Palestinians leadership that were socialist and they were all murdered by Israel just like every Arab government that was secular was couped/destroyed / murdered .
Just watched a vid of a kid throwing back 7 grenades that got thrown into his family's bunker.
The 8th one got him.
You couldn't hear any women screaming after either.
From the river to the see Palestine in your dreams.