This takes me back many years! The sound of the boring bar and installing pistons. Nothing makes you quite as sick as realizing you installed a nice new piston facing the wrong way! Still have my old Kwidkway boring bar and Sioux valve and seat grinder! And yes check, check and double check! I've been burned by mis numbered rods too.... I had seen pictures of the fixture to cold press pins but never seen one in real life. Thanks for bringing back so many memories!
Long time hardcore gearhead, diy mechanic and non-automotive production machinist but have never seen the official process of press fitting pistons to connecting rods. Thanks for this! Nice equipment.
It's refreshing to see somebody that somebody actually knows the proper use of a rod heater without overheating the piss out of the rods and changing color. I wish all these other places would learn how to use one. So many 'You Tube Experts' that heat up the rods way beyond what is necessary and say it's OK. I've taken apart engines that were rebuilt multiple times and the stamps are all over the place. The two rod pieces matched but the numbers didn't correspond to the correct cylinders, and most were re-stamped or had multiples of a particular number, ie two number 6 rods.
When I took engine rebuilding 30 years ago all they showed us was pressing the pin into the connecting rod. When I serviced cranes we would heat the bearing for installation.
I used motor.. until they quit making them.. Still have some from the old days around I think.. I had to quit working on cars about three years ago.. Outstanding.. love the old stuff!
I did many balance jobs back in the 80's for guys who'd taken their stuff to their local hero who couldn't balance anything. They'd bring the box of pistons in with the rods standing at attention because their 'hero' had pressed them together ( not realizing you do that AFTER it's balanced ) using the piston as the anvil and distorting the pin bore so the pin would barely move. We always wound up repairing this for free after having to press them apart for the balance job. It was always entertaining to check the bearing bore on the rods after resizing, too....
I love your honesty when you make slight mistakes. When i use to do this i would use a drift that centered on the pin. I would then lay the piston on my thighs with some cushioning and give the drift a sharp blow with a 10lb mash hammer. I never lost a single piston in 30 years and it was very quick and easy
I would like to add you need to check the rod and piston for perpendicularity. Put the press fit assembly, there is a vee-block if there is a gap you need to twist the rod assy. Keep checking until the twist is eliminated. My Sunnen vise had the spacer a rod for twisting. I did 1300 sets per year for Atchision Machine service in London, Ont, CDN
We did pistons diffrent. I heated the Rod and he placed the piston and wrist oun by hand. Old school. John Tucker was his name. He built and raced in the 60s. Hemi's of course.
Damn... I hot a Buick 340 sitting in my shop. You're the second person I've ever seen actually work on one. Most people tell me I made a mistake and it's actually a Buick 430.
Do you have a video showing/explaining how your shop crane works? The one you use to move blocks & heads around the shop. I’m curious how it works and how it’s installed.
New subscriber here, awesome channel man! I checked out your website you guys have a very nice business there. I am a heavy equipment mechanic in CT, I wish you guys weren’t so far away I would be bringing all my machining needs to you. Great video thanks!
@@JAMSIONLINE i hear you there buddy. Im impressed with how talented you and your dad are. Im 31 i think your about my age, maybe a little younger. These days it seems like a good hands on machinist is getting hard to find so keep up the good work. Can’t wait to see your future videos!
Well worth paying someone to do it. I've done them before with good luck but the last set I did didnt work at all and ended up having to buy a new set of pistons.
Yep! They go great until they don't! And often these days you can't get a single new piston as most are sold in sets. Not that I don't support people learning to do things themselves and trying to do things themselves, but unfortunately this is something that is easy to mess up.
Not at all. You're not going to chill the metal enough to create any contraction, but you will cause the heat to be pulled out of the rod quicker possibly resulting in not enough time to get it into the correct position. This is another 'internet myth'. Freezers only go to 0 degrees (or thereabout). That's maybe 75-80 degrees difference from room temperature. Zero effect on the pin. If it's that much of a concern, why not just heat the rod up 75 more degrees? By the way, I don't advocate that. You only need to heat it up as much is as necessary, anything more is excess.
A somewhat wild guess after crunching some potentially inaccurate numbers, I'm gonna guess around 1.5 tons or less? www.engineersedge.com/manufacturing_spec/press_fit_force.htm
Great video. I work in a family automotive machine shop as well. We use a sunnen rod heater but it’s the same concept. I’d really like to know where you can get one of those rod supporting “jigs” you used to fix the centering of the pin. Is this homemade?
Thank you! I believe the one we have is from OTC tool but I couldn't find theirs. Goodson sells one here: goodson.com/products/ppe-7082-piston-pin-removal-fixture?variant=48613711750
Goodson sells one: goodson.com/collections/catalog-page-85/products/ppe-7082-piston-pin-removal-fixture If you end up ordering one, tell them I sent you lol. Not too cheap unfortunately :(
Hello! I believe the one we have is actually from OTC tools, but I couldn't find theirs. Goodson.com sells one: goodson.com/products/ppe-7082-piston-pin-removal-fixture?variant=48613711750
This takes me back many years! The sound of the boring bar and installing pistons. Nothing makes you quite as sick as realizing you installed a nice new piston facing the wrong way! Still have my old Kwidkway boring bar and Sioux valve and seat grinder! And yes check, check and double check! I've been burned by mis numbered rods too.... I had seen pictures of the fixture to cold press pins but never seen one in real life. Thanks for bringing back so many memories!
Poooooooooolplooo
Great video like how you show the mistake and how you fixed it. Many would edit it out.
Keep up the great work
Thank you! Mistakes are bound to happen. Most are small and fixable like this one. Transparency is the best policy.
Young Man , you're coming along great with the machine shop work. I wish we had folks around here that put that much pride in the finished product. 👌
Great content and quality workmanship. Always cool to see skilled professionals doing high quality work.
Thank you.
Long time hardcore gearhead, diy mechanic and non-automotive production machinist but have never seen the official process of press fitting pistons to connecting rods. Thanks for this! Nice equipment.
It's refreshing to see somebody that somebody actually knows the proper use of a rod heater without overheating the piss out of the rods and changing color. I wish all these other places would learn how to use one. So many 'You Tube Experts' that heat up the rods way beyond what is necessary and say it's OK.
I've taken apart engines that were rebuilt multiple times and the stamps are all over the place. The two rod pieces matched but the numbers didn't correspond to the correct cylinders, and most were re-stamped or had multiples of a particular number, ie two number 6 rods.
When I took engine rebuilding 30 years ago all they showed us was pressing the pin into the connecting rod.
When I serviced cranes we would heat the bearing for installation.
I used motor.. until they quit making them.. Still have some from the old days around I think.. I had to quit working on cars about three years ago.. Outstanding.. love the old stuff!
This was very good, it's not often we get to see this operation. Thank you!
I appreciate the detail you put in to what you do.
Thank you!
I've really enjoyed watching you work on a old Buick. Don't see those very often.
It’s always refreshing watching these videos
Nice video. Never been a fan of press fit wrist pins. Seen 'em move before, for whatever reason. Floating pins with retainers are nice.
Glad I watched this. Talked me out of trying to install wrist pins on my 460 Ford. I'll be taking them to a shop.
I did many balance jobs back in the 80's for guys who'd taken their stuff to their local hero who couldn't balance anything. They'd bring the box of pistons in with the rods standing at attention because their 'hero' had pressed them together ( not realizing you do that AFTER it's balanced ) using the piston as the anvil and distorting the pin bore so the pin would barely move. We always wound up repairing this for free after having to press them apart for the balance job. It was always entertaining to check the bearing bore on the rods after resizing, too....
Immaculate shop, super sharp tools…
I love your honesty when you make slight mistakes. When i use to do this i would use a drift that centered on the pin. I would then lay the piston on my thighs with some cushioning and give the drift a sharp blow with a 10lb mash hammer. I never lost a single piston in 30 years and it was very quick and easy
Thanks ! More interesting stuff ! I remember my old 283 small block had press fit pistons !
I would like to add you need to check the rod and piston for perpendicularity. Put the press fit assembly, there is a vee-block if there is a gap you need to twist the rod assy. Keep checking until the twist is eliminated. My Sunnen vise had the spacer a rod for twisting. I did 1300 sets per year for Atchision Machine service in London, Ont, CDN
We did pistons diffrent. I heated the Rod and he placed the piston and wrist oun by hand. Old school. John Tucker was his name. He built and raced in the 60s. Hemi's of course.
Damn... I hot a Buick 340 sitting in my shop. You're the second person I've ever seen actually work on one. Most people tell me I made a mistake and it's actually a Buick 430.
would that make it "dyslex-uick"???
@@jeffo881 LOL🤣
Quality content
Thank you!
Wonderful video. Cheers man
Thank you!
this is the content i subscribed for!! love your work and the family shop your carry together!!!
Thank you!
Old 340 Buick. I had one years ago. They only built that engine 2 years.
Any idea how much changed between the 340 and the 1968 350?
LOVED YOUR VIDEO 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Nice outro! Also those were some nice interference fits
Thank you!
love this video... also your father is an great teacher ... need more videos :D
Thank you! Trying to stick to one video a week minimum lol
Always learn something here!!!!
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Love the longer content ✌
Thank you!
Awesome
Thank you!
Do you have a video showing/explaining how your shop crane works? The one you use to move blocks & heads around the shop.
I’m curious how it works and how it’s installed.
Nice job, thanks for sharing. Have you ever used an induction heater on the rods?
I would love it if I had access to a shop like this...I would build some really cool cars...I got the know how just not the funds
yep, i discover this, there is no bushing, wrist pin in contact directly with the piston? wasn't able to see much detail about that? thx
New subscriber here, awesome channel man! I checked out your website you guys have a very nice business there. I am a heavy equipment mechanic in CT, I wish you guys weren’t so far away I would be bringing all my machining needs to you. Great video thanks!
Thank you! Yes, we wish we could do work for everyone lol. I think we might get tired if that was the case haha
@@JAMSIONLINE i hear you there buddy. Im impressed with how talented you and your dad are. Im 31 i think your about my age, maybe a little younger. These days it seems like a good hands on machinist is getting hard to find so keep up the good work. Can’t wait to see your future videos!
That electric (assuming) gas pedal on the press seems tough to feather😳
I had a 99 ford escort with a 2.0 I think? Anyway it had press fit pins.
WHERE CAN I BUY------- THAT---- JIG--------- TO PRESS FIT PISTONS ????
Hi. Can i use a Full Floating Wrist Pin without using a Brass Bushing on the Rod ?
Well worth paying someone to do it. I've done them before with good luck but the last set I did didnt work at all and ended up having to buy a new set of pistons.
Yep! They go great until they don't! And often these days you can't get a single new piston as most are sold in sets. Not that I don't support people learning to do things themselves and trying to do things themselves, but unfortunately this is something that is easy to mess up.
What is that tool y’all are using to adjust the wrist pin without ruining the piston?
Top Shelf
How do I know if my rod is floating or pressed fit?
Where did you get the piston jig for setting the pin?
Would putting the pin in freezer and heating up piston and rod allow pin to drop in
Not at all. You're not going to chill the metal enough to create any contraction, but you will cause the heat to be pulled out of the rod quicker possibly resulting in not enough time to get it into the correct position. This is another 'internet myth'. Freezers only go to 0 degrees (or thereabout). That's maybe 75-80 degrees difference from room temperature. Zero effect on the pin. If it's that much of a concern, why not just heat the rod up 75 more degrees? By the way, I don't advocate that. You only need to heat it up as much is as necessary, anything more is excess.
what if not centered conrrectly? maybe 1-2mm short
Any idea how many tons it takes to push a pin thru the rod when at room temp ?
A somewhat wild guess after crunching some potentially inaccurate numbers, I'm gonna guess around 1.5 tons or less?
www.engineersedge.com/manufacturing_spec/press_fit_force.htm
3 tons
cross oiling squirters always point away from the bottom of the piston
If you had to remove it (piston on backwards lets say) would you press it out or heat the connecting rod while still on the piston?
Very cool. Keep up the good work
Thank you! Will do!
Hi,
Who is the manufacture and part number of that pin press jig you used.
Where did u get the tool
How do you set it up to make sure the pin is in the middle
chanfer aways goes toward crank journal wall
About how hot should you get the connecting rod?
Great video. I work in a family automotive machine shop as well. We use a sunnen rod heater but it’s the same concept. I’d really like to know where you can get one of those rod supporting “jigs” you used to fix the centering of the pin. Is this homemade?
Thank you! I believe the one we have is from OTC tool but I couldn't find theirs. Goodson sells one here:
goodson.com/products/ppe-7082-piston-pin-removal-fixture?variant=48613711750
Bruh can you tell me if i hit it with force is it advisable
Where can I purchase the press jig to support the connecting rod properly
I think it's a Kent-Moore or SPX tool I've seen those before.
10:03, what is that part called(jig), brand, and is there a part number for it, please?
How did u remove
How about removing press fit rods?
Do you have a jig for sale like the one you used in the video?
Goodson sells one:
goodson.com/collections/catalog-page-85/products/ppe-7082-piston-pin-removal-fixture
If you end up ordering one, tell them I sent you lol.
Not too cheap unfortunately :(
How many times have you guys had to tell a greenhorn that heating rods doesn’t hurt them?😆
Love your videos. Are you interested in taking new customers?
Hi mate, I'm interested to know where you got that piston jig for the press from? Could really use one of them for my shop!
G'day from Australia 🇦🇺
Hello! I believe the one we have is actually from OTC tools, but I couldn't find theirs. Goodson.com sells one:
goodson.com/products/ppe-7082-piston-pin-removal-fixture?variant=48613711750
@@JAMSIONLINE thank you sir!
I would still rather have the paper reference materials.
check and recheck your work i sleep better at night that way.
Yaaaas
"Who uses press fit pistons?" Unless you buy high end forged $500+ pistons, you're getting press fit....that's who.
Don't hang your micrometers. Store them laying flat...
Been hanging there well over 20 years and still on the money. Just your normal recalibration as necessary.
Buffering