@@madelinetramantano8302 While I agree with you that making fun of people can cause harm, I don't think it's fair to say that Joan Rivers made a living by doing that. First and foremost Joan was a comedienne, one of the first female ones, and she was a trailblazer for the comediennes of today. She was also a great representative for women. She pushed the limits and did things that women were not allowed to do at the time. She was just as funny and successful as any of her male counterparts and she was working hard til the day she died. Longevity. While her latter career incorporated making fun of fellow celebrities, at least the things she said were honest and real. She said what was on our minds. And she was the victim of the same thing in Hollywood, the butt of many jokes and punchlines. She understood that when you sign up to be a celebrity, you had to take everything that came with it even the negative things. In a way that's part of what celebs get paid for. If they can't handle it then they need to reconsider what they've chosen to do for a living.
keri caye Rather crude way of wording it........Your no Cinderella yourself judging from your avatar picture.....there! How does it feel to be cut down!!! Judge not lest ye be judged!! Joan Rivers needed an ocean worth of bucks for plastic surgery so has no right talking about Oprah needing to lose weight and ought to have been checked for that comment......Joan also was no beauty queen slender or not, healthy or not your words are crass and unecessary!
It’s probably because of the way she grew up. According to her she grew up chubby and ugly, even though if you see pictures of her really young I thought she was really pretty. She always joked about her “ugliness” a lot through the 80s and 90s but I always thought she was pretty.
Margaret well yeah, but a lot of comedians take inspiration for a lot of their material from real life issues. And she’s done serious interviews where she talks about it with no comedy context. She has even joked about eating disorders, and she herself struggled with bulimia in her adult life right after her husband died.
@@RosieOleanderDallinger Have not seen the pics. I always thought Joan was very attractive as an adult.I do think she went way too far with the plastic surgery.
The problem is Joan can give it but she can’t take it. Someone joked that her daughter Melissa was riding Joan’s coattails and Joan became incredibly offended and stormed out.
misshair...Joan Rivers IGNORANCE is an was always common as her Hollywerid persona when it came to not know the difference between (Smaller Vs Taller) just to spotlight a small segment of Joan Rivers condescending personality that dominated Hollywood than and now.
@@GetOnMyLvlBitch Joan could dish it out but she couldn't take the heat herself. Google her interview about a year before her death when she is in the hot seat. She walks off I believe,
🤣 you see an emaciated woman try to fat shame a perfectly normal bodied one, who then reveals that she is tormenting herself with diets for years now, going up and down in weight, and what you take away is a sense of longing... and you have a muslim sounding name... 😂
You call class many call it industry kiss ass to make a raise in this industry as at that time, Joan rivers could make or kill your career. I promise you the now rich & powerful Oprah would not take this today.
No, her racist ass will not be missed and her racism came out later in life with what she said about Michelle Obama too. Just she jealousy no woman does this to another woman publicly That they would like and respect
I think the fact that Oprah mentioned she won the contest "50 pounds ago" may have led Joan to believe she was comfortable with talking about her weight. If it isn't comfortable why bring it up? I don't think Joan was being mean spirited. Just a little insensitive.
@Shining Light Of Hope It's one thing for you to talk about your own weight but a totally different kettle of fish for someone else to talk about your weight and in such a derogatory way and publicly! Example: just because I make reference to my dark Black skin doesn't mean that that leaves the door wide open for a white person to call me a dark skinned, Black N$gger! The same with weight. To justify that in any way is just pure wilful ignorance with a determination to collude in abusive and shaming tactics, all in the guise of 'jokes/banter'. It wasn't merely insensitive, it was malicious. Everyone in America knew that Oprah struggled with her weight and that it was always a sore spot for her, including razor sharp and observant, Joan Rivers. You would think that someone who was so insecure about her own looks (and eventually died on the plastic surgeon's table at over 70 yrs old trying to meddle with her looks!) would be empathetiv and more respectful of another Woman's physical appearance but she went in for the kill because she wanted wanted make Oprah feel as bad as SHE was feeling internally and she used her public platform to maximum effect to humiliate and shame, a very successful Black Woman. That was malicious. Not 'a tad insensitive'.
Idk, it’s cool for someone to bring it up about themselves but for someone else to keep talking about it on national television? No. Maybe if it was a private conversation, but on TV? No. Just no. And usually when people mention their weight like that it’s because they’re insecure but want to deal with what they think is the elephant (no pun intended) in the room. In other words she assumed everyone else was wondering how this “fatty,” could ever win a beauty contest so she explained. Joan didn’t need to do that. But that’s Joan for you. I agree though. I don’t think she was mean spirited.
Oprah Winfrey later recalled this incident in her book "Food, Health, and Happiness.": "It was all going smoothly; I was starting to settle in. And then it happened: Joan interrupted with perhaps the only question I hadn't prepared for: 'So how'd you gain the weight?' Wait a minute - did she just use my national television debut to ask me why I was so fat? The studio started spinning. The word 'fat' reverberated in my brain." Winfrey continues, "Joan sat behind Johnny's big wooden desk, telling me that she didn't want to hear my excuses and that I shouldn't have let this happen … She wagged her flawlessly manicured finger at me, pointed out that I was still 'a single girl,' and challenged me to come back 15 pounds lighter next time she hosted."
+m mar Some tough love isn't bullying. Joan didn't call Oprah fat or ugly. She said "You're a pretty girl, so don't let yourself go". Fair is fair. Enough of this oversensitive bs.
I don't think I have ever in my life ever seen Oprah being interviewed by someone before. I mean, I know this was before she had her own show, but still though.
I remember seeing this interview on the Joan River's show when it was orginially on. That was 25 long years ago. I knew Oprah was going to go places, and boy did she go!!! It doesn't matter if Oprah if thin or heavy, she is adorable. I love Joan too. She can be a little abrasive with her comedy sometimes, but it's only in fun. You have to take Joan with a grain of salt. She's basically a good person.
I swear regardless of thought or whatever Oprah must have been thinking when Joan (whom I also love) asked her this offhanded question in front of millions, I love how Oprah handled this with grace and no real animosity despite being shamed. Still love them both sometimes dumb things are done on television and she’s also a comedian which she never meant any harm and probably in her mind thought she meant well.
This was Oprah's big break into national television, and Joan Rivers personally begged the Peter Lassally to put her on TV. So let's be real here people. I don't like how Joan talked about her weight, but that's Joan.
oh my goodness its 4:44 am and my angel is here! wow I always watch your shows! I love you and I am so glad you said something angel souls I love you! You are right it is judgmental and cruel . Thank You, because angels love food LOL... also scorpios getting the knowledge of the unknown it is kind scary. I am looking forward to this. Please don't stop what you are doing, finding your comment here is just another sign thank you angels!
Ana Qed haha well thank you Ana! And you are absolutely correct--angels do love food! And people often use food to protect themselves. The funniest (as in odd) thing is that most people who are putting down overweight people have some sort of addiction themselves. I think they call that projecting! ;) xoxo
It's funny because Oprah tells it another way. Saying she was fat shamed. First of all, Oprah is the one that brought it up and opened the door. She said oh 50 pounds ago. So Joan jumps in and says why did you let that happen. I mean 50 pounds is alot people and I think Joan was showing concern for her. It's funny to watch this clip because it's like Oprah is a completely different person. She's humble, self depricating, nothing like the person she evolved into with the holier than though massive ego. Ever watch her interview experts on her show. They are right in the middle of a sentence and she interupts them and jumps over them to talk. It's so annoying. So many missed lessons because she doesn't let them finish.
Your comment is the equivalent of justifying killing someone who has done no harm to you. This is the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Just because she was "self deprecating" did not give Joan the right to say anything more or further the conversation and assume this entitlement to say whatever the f she wanted. She's rude, and you're a dumbass with that weak ass argument.
This is the first time I've seen that interview and, to be honest, in 2022 I am so happy that Joan brought Oprah down. Whenever I've watched Oprah in more recent years, which is not often as I don't like her, she has over ridden many people and it was so great seeing her fat shamed by Joan. Yeah Joan. Trouble is it didn't work
Actually, my mother always thought Oprah looked better with a little weight on her. When she did Optifast in the 80's she got really thin and did not look as good.
I don’t agree with Joan’s fixation on other people’s weight, but I do think she was trying the “tough love & honesty” approach rather than just being mean, and I do admire that she always said what she meant and meant what she said.
No. Saying hurtful, shaming things to people about them publicly is not an admirable trait, and is not "shooting from the hip". Its mean, nasty and inappropriate.
"Tough love" is for people you have a relationship with and should be done in private. On national TV during an interview about career & entertainment is not the time. Tacky interview.
I have rarely found Joan Rivers as funny. I have very little respect for people who aren’t talented enough to be comedic without taking advantage of others and putting them down.
For an unfamiliar TV star in those days, this marked the beginning of Oprah Winfrey's long-running friendship with Joan Rivers, whom she met on the set of "The Tonight Show." For near 3 decades, they both talked about a lot of things, and that includes 4 yrs. @ The Daytime Emmy Awards (between 1990 and 1993), where Oprah has won more Awards, than Rivers (whom she only won once). In 1999, Rivers was reunited with Winfrey on "The Oprah Winfrey Show," who got people to talk about having people to look beautiful. Great comedienne, may she RIP! :(
@@mel2000 Michelle Philips, when she was promoting her book, a woman with multiple personality disorder who she described as "pretty crazy", right in front of the woman, etc. I've also seen some clips here on You Tube where she is just plain blunt and rude to some people. There was someone she really ridiculed badly and humiliated them on and on and people were saying in the comments they agreed with the guest, not Oprah. From what I recall I think she implied a woman was obviously promiscuous, going by her appearance, but she actually was not at all and there was nothing wrong with her appearance either.
Great idea for a follow-up video: "Oprah tells Joan Rivers that being obsessed with your appearance might lead to an over-reliance on cosmetic surgery."
@@KowloonHK People are happier when they stop worrying about being as attractive, famous, wealthy, talented, or as powerful and influential as people they hear about on their computer and smartphone screens. I can understand a musician feeling inadequate because they'll never compose something as great as Beethoven - that means you have lofty goals. But, an internet "influencer" being despondent because they don't have enough "likes" this week compared to another influencer? Blimey! 😬
Who could disrespect a person that passed away? She has a family and friends that love her. Have respect for everyone and let’s hope respect will be given to us all, as well.
Disrespect? Joan criticized people her whole life. Maybe it's a weird survival technique humans have. Focus on ourselves...not what others feel or say. Criticizing someone for disrespecting a dead person.....is an attack on a living person!! I'm trying not to be critical...lol.
OMG! Oprah I know I'm late as hell but she doesn't know what she's talking about. You are beautiful no matter what! I grew up watching you. Every time I saw you every time you are still beautiful. Joan needs to get some food in her.
After she made it she no longer had to “put on…” her radio/tv voice or personality to be accepted into mainstream daytime television. When she hit the scene most people didn’t look like her and she had to assimilate into their culture to fit their standards. Fast forward 30 Years… she has her Billions and no longer needs to put on a front on camera.
Oprah was young and green back then. The Oprah show didn’t exist when this interview aired. She would never let anyone treat her this way today, not even a Joan Rivers.
Johnny Carson commenting on Joan Rivers: "Joan will never succeed me when I retire from the show....Joan is just too brusque for the audience." Johnny was right. Rivers could be very entertaining at times; other times she didn't know how to pull back. Oprah was holding her own very well!
We're still waiting for Joan to be resurrected from the dead, but it ain't gonna happen, oh hell wait...she was the walking dead - with that gaunt look and those arthritic bones she should have been on the slab way earlier...God rest her bony bones!
To be fair, her point was "You just said you gained 50 pounds. How? You are such a beautiful woman and should take care about yourself!" which is actually pretty nice. Very direct, but also very honest
Its funny how people are saying joans really mean and stuff. Even though she does a lot for charity and the lgbt community. This interview was 24 years ago so i dont think she should be judged from an old interview.
You can see how uncomfortable Oprah is. She’s trying to laugh it off it’s so sad how people try to act better then other people by dragging out their insecurities on purpose
Tabloids would write that stuff behind her back. Joan said it to her face and allowed her to respond. She was bold.. and respectful, it’s show business.
I think a lot shaming on many subjects has gone out the window. No-one apologizes for being alive in their own skin! Most people just clap back and social media slams those who try to shame people or jealous of someone's looks!
i think oprah handled the conversation very well by being funny and still respectful despite the fact that joan rivers is delivering nasty jokes about her weight...
Agreed! Love them both but Oprah handled this in stride and still used this interview as an opportunity to connect with Joan and the audience. She took an uncomfortable moment and turned it around as an opportunity to show warmth, humor and class. It's no wonder why she's been such and incredible success.
I was an 8th grader in rural South when an unknown Oprah Gail Winfrey appeared on “Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson” with guest host Joan Rivers on Oprah’s 31st b’day: JAN. 29, 1985. I have no recollection of watching this when it aired, but saw it for the “first” time on 11/06/11-three days after Curt Jones’ “Ice Cream of the Future”, Dippin' Dots Inc, filed for bankruptcy protection in federal court in Western KENtuckY. This fits nicely with Joan mentioning “800 calories worth of cookies”
I thought it was Nell Carter too (it’s the blue dress Nell wore in “Ain’t Misbehavin’”) You could tell Oprah wanted to be liked/famous. She had no idea what God had planned for her. Unbelievable! Thank God for Oprah
I like it when everyone says that Joan Rivers never fat shamed ANYONE. She definitely did. People have short and selective memories. She was particularly nasty to Elizabeth Taylor.
Oprah and Joan were good friends. They would have prepared this discussion before the show, and it was designed to get people talking about Oprah and her show. It's a promotional thing.
She told her the truth and Oprah handled it really well. And she actually lost the weight, even though she gained it back and lost it and gained it back again. It's a problem for many people.
who else is here after just seeing Oprah reference this interview on her live WW TH-cam special today-05.09-24?? i ran over here 😂
Guilty 😂!! I can’t believe how mean Joan was
@@niccigubb400 Joan was cruel about Elizabeth Taylor's weight as well. Being mean is not humor to me.
i almost tripped coming here!
She full-on body shamed Oprah. The irony is not lost that Joan Rivers' vanity is what killed her in the end.
I’m literally crying this is so sad 😣😭 Joan wounded her.
Nobody would talk to Oprah this way today! Except for maybe Joan Rivers...I think she would have still. RIP...
SHE MADE HER MONEY HURTING PEOPLE. AND SHE WAS LOVED BY PEOPLE WHAT A LOUSY WORLD.
I NEVER REALLY LIKED JOAN. NASTY WOMAN. AND THE PEOPLE THAT THOUGHT SHE WAS FUNNY HURTING SOMEONE THEY ARE WHATS WRONG TODAY.
@@madelinetramantano8302 While I agree with you that making fun of people can cause harm, I don't think it's fair to say that Joan Rivers made a living by doing that.
First and foremost Joan was a comedienne, one of the first female ones, and she was a trailblazer for the comediennes of today.
She was also a great representative for women. She pushed the limits and did things that women were not allowed to do at the time. She was just as funny and successful as any of her male counterparts and she was working hard til the day she died. Longevity.
While her latter career incorporated making fun of fellow celebrities, at least the things she said were honest and real.
She said what was on our minds. And she was the victim of the same thing in Hollywood, the butt of many jokes and punchlines.
She understood that when you sign up to be a celebrity, you had to take everything that came with it even the negative things.
In a way that's part of what celebs get paid for.
If they can't handle it then they need to reconsider what they've chosen to do for a living.
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@@madelinetramantano8302 Joan made fun of herself most of all!
This was Oprah 999,999,999.00 dollars ago.
Ha! That's a great way of viewing this, actually. Nice comment.
AND SHE'S STILL FAT TODAY......unhealthy
keri caye Rather crude way of wording it........Your no Cinderella yourself judging from your avatar picture.....there! How does it feel to be cut down!!! Judge not lest ye be judged!! Joan Rivers needed an ocean worth of bucks for plastic surgery so has no right talking about Oprah needing to lose weight and ought to have been checked for that comment......Joan also was no beauty queen slender or not, healthy or not your words are crass and unecessary!
This so awful ~~~~but true. (hee-hee)
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I'm sorry
Joan had an obsession with appearance. It was the most obvious thing about her.
It’s probably because of the way she grew up. According to her she grew up chubby and ugly, even though if you see pictures of her really young I thought she was really pretty. She always joked about her “ugliness” a lot through the 80s and 90s but I always thought she was pretty.
@@RosieOleanderDallinger Was the ugly kid thing part of her act?
Margaret well yeah, but a lot of comedians take inspiration for a lot of their material from real life issues. And she’s done serious interviews where she talks about it with no comedy context. She has even joked about eating disorders, and she herself struggled with bulimia in her adult life right after her husband died.
@@RosieOleanderDallinger Have not seen the pics. I always thought Joan was very attractive as an adult.I do think she went way too far with the plastic surgery.
I know y it's really ugly
I love the way Oprah held it together. I'm sure she saw this conversation a million times after she walked off stage.
SHE'S A PIG.... Sellout. It's a disgrace what she has done in MAUI. If ya don't know look into it.... She will be judged accordingly, one day..
it had to have been traumatic for her
Oprah handled that like a pro 😂
Coz she knew that she couldn’t do jack about it. Joan was the powerhouse there at that time
Scary how thin Joan was here, and still wanted to lose 5 pounds.
she looked unhealthy
Clearly she had her own body image issues
She was bulimic
She’s stick head either green ish cotton hair
The problem is Joan can give it but she can’t take it. Someone joked that her daughter Melissa was riding Joan’s coattails and Joan became incredibly offended and stormed out.
Children are off limits
@sapphirelatina no..They're attacking Joe Bidens..lol
Bullies can never handle being bullied
Joan lose 5 pounds?! SHES A STICK HERE!
This was before Oprah had money and power to wield. She wouldn't let this happen ten years later
X Van Der Merwe
You can't stop people from saying what they want poor or rich status.
You sure can stop a career tho.
X Van Der Merwe you shouldn't treat anyone like that. Whether or not you have money or power
Pat Smith and now Oprah is more baller then ever and Joan Rivers is DEAD
PR199020
Well said!😂
Who's here from Oprah interview with Dr Oz
I am. total disrespect on Joan's end. I'd rather looked like Oprah than had my face look like plastic and couldn't make an expression.
Dontario Hodges Regretfully
I am, but I've seen this interview before. I hated that Joan Rivers. She was a mean, old and ugly bitch.
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Joan was so old-time-Hollywood-glamour, even up until the day she passed away..
misshair...Joan Rivers IGNORANCE is an was always common as her Hollywerid persona when it came to not know the difference between (Smaller Vs Taller) just to spotlight a small segment of Joan Rivers condescending personality that dominated Hollywood than and now.
misshair I miss her
Nothing old Hollywood glamor about her. Lmao She was a an old shrew without any talent.
misshair perfect description
Emily Peterson she is holly wood glamour you fool
Wow Joan has no filter
K Deloris If you think that's bad, try living in Asian, they really have no filter over there.
K Deloris also called being ghetto and uneducated
This was before PC and the sensitive world we live in now!! I mean look what happened to Megyn Kelly.
I mean... she’s dead. That’s quite a filter
@@GetOnMyLvlBitch Joan could dish it out but she couldn't take the heat herself. Google her interview about a year before her death when she is in the hot seat. She walks off I believe,
I love that Oprah is smiling through all of this. A beautiful smile is far more attractive than an emaciated body.
A healthy body is more beautiful than diabetes and heart disease.
She handled it so well
Which is whatJoan looks like. Crazy times!
Oprah has a good attitude in spite of be-ing insulted.
SocialAlchemyProject oh shut... why are people so sensitive.
She got more stone one.... NO FUCKING NO what happened Oprah was doing so well
They were friends, it was Joan’s schtick
@@jetnight88 Oprah had thick skin, you need it in showbiz
She's the one who admitted to gaining 50lbs
Dont kid yourself....she was pissed and wrote about it later in a book
I miss the 80s!! I was a kid but the vibe was so authentic.
🤣 you see an emaciated woman try to fat shame a perfectly normal bodied one, who then reveals that she is tormenting herself with diets for years now, going up and down in weight, and what you take away is a sense of longing... and you have a muslim sounding name... 😂
ARE YOU HIGH!!!!!?????
it's the truth@@ot8479 now everyone is walking on eggshells. it's disappointing
@ot8479 Are you okay?
WITH THAT CLIP ??
Oprah handled this interview with so much class
Yes she did omg!
You call class many call it industry kiss ass to make a raise in this industry as at that time, Joan rivers could make or kill your career. I promise you the now rich & powerful Oprah would not take this today.
I’m not sure if it was class as much as powerlessness/ low self-esteem 🥺
No apologies and no holding back. Brava, Joan. You will be missed
Another target was Liz Taylor.
No, her racist ass will not be missed and her racism came out later in life with what she said about Michelle Obama too. Just she jealousy no woman does this to another woman publicly That they would like and respect
Oprah has so much energy and enthusiasm here, like many videos from this time period. Now she seems so monotone
Depressed b/c she has no show I think!
No I think before as in here, she was eager to please and now she is no longer eager. she just is herself.
Everyone slows down as time goes by, even if it's a little.
B Kavanaugh she quit doing the show, it wasn’t canceled.🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
It’s the devil lol that’s why
Oprah was only 30 here? Wow she looked much older.
Wtf she was in her 50s.... lol where did you get that? She died in 2014 at 81... do the math.
Thats why joan was telling her to lose the weight 😂😂
That was how it was those days
Ehm no? She has no wrinkles. This is what a natural face looks like at that weight (without plastic surgery, contouring etc).
Sparklesupreme Dumb ass he was talking about Oprah not Joan
Once again..... Joan being Joan! I'm thinking there was a better way to promote weight-loss, not only to Oprah but to the viewers as well!!
I think the fact that Oprah mentioned she won the contest "50 pounds ago" may have led Joan to believe she was comfortable with talking about her weight. If it isn't comfortable why bring it up? I don't think Joan was being mean spirited. Just a little insensitive.
@Shining Light Of Hope It's one thing for you to talk about your own weight but a totally different kettle of fish for someone else to talk about your weight and in such a derogatory way and publicly!
Example: just because I make reference to my dark Black skin doesn't mean that that leaves the door wide open for a white person to call me a dark skinned, Black N$gger! The same with weight.
To justify that in any way is just pure wilful ignorance with a determination to collude in abusive and shaming tactics, all in the guise of 'jokes/banter'.
It wasn't merely insensitive, it was malicious. Everyone in America knew that Oprah struggled with her weight and that it was always a sore spot for her, including razor sharp and observant, Joan Rivers.
You would think that someone who was so insecure about her own looks (and eventually died on the plastic surgeon's table at over 70 yrs old trying to meddle with her looks!) would be empathetiv and more respectful of another Woman's physical appearance but she went in for the kill because she wanted wanted make Oprah feel as bad as SHE was feeling internally and she used her public platform to maximum effect to humiliate and shame, a very successful Black Woman. That was malicious. Not 'a tad insensitive'.
@@NickyM_0 Oprah deserves it. She’s a nasty person. Look what she did to the Olsen twins
@@NickyM_0 it wasn't plastic surgery that killed Joan.
Idk, it’s cool for someone to bring it up about themselves but for someone else to keep talking about it on national television? No. Maybe if it was a private conversation, but on TV? No. Just no. And usually when people mention their weight like that it’s because they’re insecure but want to deal with what they think is the elephant (no pun intended) in the room. In other words she assumed everyone else was wondering how this “fatty,” could ever win a beauty contest so she explained. Joan didn’t need to do that. But that’s Joan for you.
I agree though. I don’t think she was mean spirited.
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Oprah Winfrey later recalled this incident in her book "Food, Health, and Happiness.": "It was all going smoothly; I was starting to settle in. And then it happened: Joan interrupted with perhaps the only question I hadn't prepared for: 'So how'd you gain the weight?' Wait a minute - did she just use my national television debut to ask me why I was so fat? The studio started spinning. The word 'fat' reverberated in my brain."
Winfrey continues, "Joan sat behind Johnny's big wooden desk, telling me that she didn't want to hear my excuses and that I shouldn't have let this happen … She wagged her flawlessly manicured finger at me, pointed out that I was still 'a single girl,' and challenged me to come back 15 pounds lighter next time she hosted."
This whole thing was cringe worthy.
Horrible!
She said that to sell her book
@@SilVia-hs2kb not really
it was the first and last time that anyone was ever honest with oprah. long live joan rivers~
This was normal conversation between women at that time (still is) ... I'm not a fan of Joan but she seemed like she was trying to motivate her.
***** That's your opinion.
Also its entertaining to watch. She was just making good television
Nah, she was trying to bully her. You dont do this on national tv.
you don't motivate someone by BULLYING THEM!!!
+m mar Some tough love isn't bullying. Joan didn't call Oprah fat or ugly. She said "You're a pretty girl, so don't let yourself go". Fair is fair. Enough of this oversensitive bs.
I don't think I have ever in my life ever seen Oprah being interviewed by someone before. I mean, I know this was before she had her own show, but still though.
" I m going to lose it". This is adorable in Oprah. She s too perfect otherwise.
I remember seeing this interview on the Joan River's show when it was orginially on. That was 25 long years ago. I knew Oprah was going to go places, and boy did she go!!! It doesn't matter if Oprah if thin or heavy, she is adorable. I love Joan too. She can be a little abrasive with her comedy sometimes, but it's only in fun. You have to take Joan with a grain of salt. She's basically a good person.
"She's basically a good person"
Joan Rivers and nice is an oxymoron.
@@TFCFMINNISTRY12 internet? Help I have sand I'm my coochies
@@burdineblue Oprah needed a start
Oprah is really a classy lady.I admire her for not taking offense of Joan’s stinging remarks 😊 luv her!
I love Oprah no matter what size she is.
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+UFC FAN I'm still waiting for my car ;) lol
LOL
I think that diet with Oprah thing will work out---------------- don't you?
I swear regardless of thought or whatever Oprah must have been thinking when Joan (whom I also love) asked her this offhanded question in front of millions, I love how Oprah handled this with grace and no real animosity despite being shamed. Still love them both sometimes dumb things are done on television and she’s also a comedian which she never meant any harm and probably in her mind thought she meant well.
This was Oprah's big break into national television, and Joan Rivers personally begged the Peter Lassally to put her on TV. So let's be real here people. I don't like how Joan talked about her weight, but that's Joan.
Joan looks soooooooo different it's like another person
Flower Power yup just like Dolly Parton which I love she was so beautiful before her unnecessary surgery
@@babypinkdiva01 if it says bags or drags it gets nipped sucked or tucked
Man, Joan was such a bad ass. She is moving up on the funnest stand ups ever scale and she need to be recognized.
This makes me sick. I can't stand it when people tell others to lose weight.
Joan''s weight was abnormal too. She really was no one to judge at all.
that's the joke kiddo
samuel shepard Jokes are funny. This is just judgmental and cruel. She had no right to say that to her or anyone.
oh my goodness its 4:44 am and my angel is here! wow I always watch your shows! I love you and I am so glad you said something angel souls I love you! You are right it is judgmental and cruel . Thank You, because angels love food LOL... also scorpios getting the knowledge of the unknown it is kind scary. I am looking forward to this. Please don't stop what you are doing, finding your comment here is just another sign thank you angels!
Ana Qed haha well thank you Ana! And you are absolutely correct--angels do love food! And people often use food to protect themselves. The funniest (as in odd) thing is that most people who are putting down overweight people have some sort of addiction themselves. I think they call that projecting! ;) xoxo
When you come home from the semester and your mom sees you eating chips at 3 a.m.
What a crazy interview. They don’t do this these days. Ha, Joan
When they go low, we go high!
Best comment!
It's funny because Oprah tells it another way. Saying she was fat shamed. First of all, Oprah is the one that brought it up and opened the door. She said oh 50 pounds ago. So Joan jumps in and says why did you let that happen. I mean 50 pounds is alot people and I think Joan was showing concern for her. It's funny to watch this clip because it's like Oprah is a completely different person. She's humble, self depricating, nothing like the person she evolved into with the holier than though massive ego. Ever watch her interview experts on her show. They are right in the middle of a sentence and she interupts them and jumps over them to talk. It's so annoying. So many missed lessons because she doesn't let them finish.
Your comment is the equivalent of justifying killing someone who has done no harm to you. This is the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Just because she was "self deprecating" did not give Joan the right to say anything more or further the conversation and assume this entitlement to say whatever the f she wanted. She's rude, and you're a dumbass with that weak ass argument.
Your argument is dumb as fuck. By your philosophy no one should speak because there's always something to complain about.
This is the first time I've seen that interview and, to be honest, in 2022 I am so happy that Joan brought Oprah down. Whenever I've watched Oprah in more recent years, which is not often as I don't like her, she has over ridden many people and it was so great seeing her fat shamed by Joan. Yeah Joan. Trouble is it didn't work
This is how to blame the whites that got her to where she is
Very true. I just saw a clip where she says Joan called her “fat” in this interview. Um, nope. She did not.
I don't know about y'all but Oprahs always looked good. Joan too R.I.P
Actually, my mother always thought Oprah looked better with a little weight on her. When she did Optifast in the 80's she got really thin and did not look as good.
LMAO right
Oprah looked good
1:49 OMG I bawled... Joan’s mouth had NO filter... (I’m here after the Dr Oz interview with O too)...
I honestly believe Joan didn't mean it in a mean-spirited wayy
I don’t agree with Joan’s fixation on other people’s weight, but I do think she was trying the “tough love & honesty” approach rather than just being mean, and I do admire that she always said what she meant and meant what she said.
No. Saying hurtful, shaming things to people about them publicly is not an admirable trait, and is not "shooting from the hip". Its mean, nasty and inappropriate.
@samkelomambisa1897 oprah mentioned it first
"Tough love" is for people you have a relationship with and should be done in private. On national TV during an interview about career & entertainment is not the time. Tacky interview.
Joan 'No-Filter' Rivers. It's always funny when it's not about you.
Nah its funny either way. I have no self respect lmao.
I think she was playing a Miranda Sings style bit.
It’s a form of vulnerability.
Oprah should have told her not to get no more plastic surgery on her face😭😂😂😂
I have rarely found Joan Rivers as funny. I have very little respect for people who aren’t talented enough to be comedic without taking advantage of others and putting them down.
@@a.walters123 Joan mocked herself the most
My God the 80's were a strange era, just look at those clothes! Fantastic!
I wish Johnny Carson had been there, instead of Botox Joan. He knew how to interview celebrities without insulting them.
Oprah standing up saying Yaayyy! She almost hit the mike.
Sure do love and miss Joan! She’s a legend!
She only told her that because she knows how the business is.
Back when Oprah was down to earth. Btw, I think she looks really pretty here (despite the hideous 80's styles)!
shut up idiot. 80s styles were fashion.
For an unfamiliar TV star in those days, this marked the beginning of Oprah Winfrey's long-running friendship with Joan Rivers, whom she met on the set of "The Tonight Show." For near 3 decades, they both talked about a lot of things, and that includes 4 yrs. @ The Daytime Emmy Awards (between 1990 and 1993), where Oprah has won more Awards, than Rivers (whom she only won once). In 1999, Rivers was reunited with Winfrey on "The Oprah Winfrey Show," who got people to talk about having people to look beautiful. Great comedienne, may she RIP! :(
I'd love to see this same exchange a few years later, Oprah would have her head.
whoa. big s/o to Oprah`s patience bcs Joan here needs few slaps for those insults.
Your comment!💯💯
100% bitch slaps for the public shaming of Oprah.
Try it bitch, I'm front ny
Well, Joan was only telling her the truth. She should have listened.
Oprah went on to say pretty insulting things to people in interviews too, but with a far bigger audience, which made it way worse.
Can you give some examples? I can't think of any right now.
@@mel2000 Michelle Philips, when she was promoting her book, a woman with multiple personality disorder who she described as "pretty crazy", right in front of the woman, etc. I've also seen some clips here on You Tube where she is just plain blunt and rude to some people. There was someone she really ridiculed badly and humiliated them on and on and people were saying in the comments they agreed with the guest, not Oprah. From what I recall I think she implied a woman was obviously promiscuous, going by her appearance, but she actually was not at all and there was nothing wrong with her appearance either.
Great idea for a follow-up video:
"Oprah tells Joan Rivers that being obsessed with your appearance might lead to an over-reliance on cosmetic surgery."
And that meanness makes people look ugly not matter how skinny they are.
@@KowloonHK People are happier when they stop worrying about being as attractive, famous, wealthy, talented, or as powerful and influential as people they hear about on their computer and smartphone screens. I can understand a musician feeling inadequate because they'll never compose something as great as Beethoven - that means you have lofty goals. But, an internet "influencer" being despondent because they don't have enough "likes" this week compared to another influencer? Blimey! 😬
Who could disrespect a person that passed away? She has a family and friends that love her. Have respect for everyone and let’s hope respect will be given to us all, as well.
Disrespect? Joan criticized people her whole life. Maybe it's a weird survival technique humans have. Focus on ourselves...not what others feel or say. Criticizing someone for disrespecting a dead person.....is an attack on a living person!! I'm trying not to be critical...lol.
Joan Rivers had her own talk show? God I'm glad I was born in 90!
It wasn't her show I don't think. She wad filling in for Carson
Listen to Joan criticize peoples clothes at the Oscar's. No way that would fly today
OMG! Oprah I know I'm late as hell but she doesn't know what she's talking about. You are beautiful no matter what! I grew up watching you. Every time I saw you every time you are still beautiful. Joan needs to get some food in her.
Joan was so rude wow
I know this was a big deal and people were mad at Joan, but Joan was right and oprah was the one who brought her weight up
50 lbs? More like 150 lbs. :/
Actually, Oprah looks really good on here. She has curves and weight in what most southern men consider "the right places"
After she made it she no longer had to “put on…” her radio/tv voice or personality to be accepted into mainstream daytime television. When she hit the scene most people didn’t look like her and she had to assimilate into their culture to fit their standards. Fast forward 30
Years… she has her Billions and no longer needs to put on a front on camera.
@@serenemindzent6426 for sure. Now she can afford to be fat
She's obese.
two ICONIC women
Oprah was young and green back then. The Oprah show didn’t exist when this interview aired. She would never let anyone treat her this way today, not even a Joan Rivers.
Love Joan. The fucking truth teller.
Peanuts and pickles????😂 Bananas, weiners and eggs!!!😂what is this????
Oprah was desperate 😊
I love Joan but that was rude
It's called the truth hurts dude. Not Joan's fault. But I agree Joan didnt have to bring it up. Wasnt really her business
Meh.
She has a very jews sense of humor 💕😂she will tell you like it is!! She was never afraid to let you know how she felt. I love rivers I miss her;(
lack of empathy.. I just think Joan felt to comfortable
I Loved me some Joan!
Yassssss!!
Joan was always fearless and truthful. What was she supposed to say? Being obese is fabulous?
Lol
She should just shut her mouth.
Johnny Carson commenting on Joan Rivers: "Joan will never succeed me when I retire from the show....Joan is just too brusque for the audience." Johnny was right. Rivers could be very entertaining at times; other times she didn't know how to pull back. Oprah was holding her own very well!
Nell Carter was short? I remember this so well, such a funny clip. People need to get back their sense of humor, life would be so much better.
Is anyone else having trouble with no volume?? I turned it right up on the video and my computer.... and I can hear other videos fine??
We're still waiting for her to lose the weight.
We're still waiting for Joan to be resurrected from the dead, but it ain't gonna happen, oh hell wait...she was the walking dead - with that gaunt look and those arthritic bones she should have been on the slab way earlier...God rest her bony bones!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
To be fair, her point was "You just said you gained 50 pounds. How? You are such a beautiful woman and should take care about yourself!" which is actually pretty nice. Very direct, but also very honest
How rude is Joan Rivers on this. Who cares if Oprah is slightly overweight here.
Joan hated fatness. Period.
😀 how have I never seen this? Hilarious! 👌😂😂
Its funny how people are saying joans really mean and stuff. Even though she does a lot for charity and the lgbt community. This interview was 24 years ago so i dont think she should be judged from an old interview.
Joan Rivers actually was giving Oprah her big break here. She went out of her way to get Oprah on the show.
Excellent perspective you have - Oprah should be grateful especially to the whites
Imagine this conversation today. The amount of beauty at every size and death threats that Joanne would receive
You can see how uncomfortable Oprah is. She’s trying to laugh it off it’s so sad how people try to act better then other people by dragging out their insecurities on purpose
She said 50
i don't remember ever seeing joan rivers on the oprah show over the years..
culd it be that oprah decided not to have joan on cuz of this?
Probably
oh my lord where are your manners , since when was this ok
Ohpishof thin skkn
The 80s were brutal...”a different time”.
Tabloids would write that stuff behind her back. Joan said it to her face and allowed her to respond. She was bold.. and respectful, it’s show business.
Before obesity became an acceptable body
TRUTH IS TRUTH !
i feel like the comments are filled with people who just like calling other people fat and are using this video as validation
But Oprah was. I am
@@biruss
What? Are you saying Oprah is God? What's the matter with you? Are you crazy? That's blasphemy!
@@flowerpower2079 no. Oprah was fat.
Joan was wanting to be known as slaying the dragon.
As if I’m not afraid of the big dark Oprah.
I think a lot shaming on many subjects has gone out the window. No-one apologizes for being alive in their own skin! Most people just clap back and social media slams those who try to shame people or jealous of someone's looks!
i think oprah handled the conversation very well by being funny and still respectful despite the fact that joan rivers is delivering nasty jokes about her weight...
Agreed! Love them both but Oprah handled this in stride and still used this interview as an opportunity to connect with Joan and the audience. She took an uncomfortable moment and turned it around as an opportunity to show warmth, humor and class. It's no wonder why she's been such and incredible success.
Joan wasn't making it into a joke and Oprah is the one that brought it up by saying that was 50 lbs ago.
I was an 8th grader in rural South when an unknown Oprah Gail Winfrey appeared on “Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson” with guest host Joan Rivers on Oprah’s 31st b’day: JAN. 29, 1985. I have no recollection of watching this when it aired, but saw it for the “first” time on 11/06/11-three days after Curt Jones’ “Ice Cream of the Future”, Dippin' Dots Inc, filed for bankruptcy protection in federal court in Western KENtuckY. This fits nicely with Joan mentioning “800 calories worth of cookies”
Joan is so freakin rude man
joan gave her good advice
And to see how she did Michael makes me not even feel bad about this Joan sensed her energy 😂
awesome video. Amazing work. learnt a lot from this clip.
I'm glad Oprah remained classy during this horrible interview. She definitely made her haters her motivators.
I thought it was Nell Carter too (it’s the blue dress Nell wore in “Ain’t Misbehavin’”)
You could tell Oprah wanted to be liked/famous. She had no idea what God had planned for her. Unbelievable! Thank God for Oprah
Oprah gets her humor, she invited Joan to her wedding shower around 12 years ago
I like it when everyone says that Joan Rivers never fat shamed ANYONE. She definitely did. People have short and selective memories. She was particularly nasty to Elizabeth Taylor.
Love them both
Oprah and Joan were good friends. They would have prepared this discussion before the show, and it was designed to get people talking about Oprah and her show. It's a promotional thing.
She told her the truth and Oprah handled it really well. And she actually lost the weight, even though she gained it back and lost it and gained it back again. It's a problem for many people.
Peeps from Chicago love to eat!!! They have the BEST restaurants!!!