I've found locking the turret in place also helps your gunners kill as they aren't swinging all over the place while you scan surroundings. Additionally, you can surprise the enemy while the turret is locked since they will think you aren't looking at them. Once they expose themselves, if you are on the outside view looking at them, you can unlock the turret and it'll swing toward them for a perfect shot. Locking the turret in place so useful to me that (on console) I changed it to toggle instead of hold so my fingers are free to use other buttons. Great video. Cheers.
There is a setting that passengers can use in the menu so that their aim isn't adjusted by the movement of the vehicle. I don't know what it is called off the top of my head, but it definitely exists! I have been using turret lock for looking around points lately because, as you said, it catches people off guard a lot. Thanks for adding your tips here!
I think it should add towards the scoreboard column which currently tracks ammo resupplies, heals and repairs. Say every 5-10 seconds you have a target tagged you get 1 point here. At least then your efforts will be reflected to your team. Also give them an assist for every kill achieved in the vehicle kill, not just one of them.
I spent entire rounds one day marking targets for my team . Works best when your ontop of a building or tower because you can survey the entire field & sit back and watch your team completely decimate the enemy team on the battlefield. I got a few thank yous at the end of matches.
people under using the soflam in game has always been an issue but if you have comms with the guy on soflam and a good spotter in your tank its a great experience
It is such a unique amazing tool in this game and can make enemy armour and choppers fold really quickly. But all of that doesn't matter because no one wants to waste their time doing it to have the rare opportunity to be given a single assist and a little bit of EXP. It's so upsetting! Did you know that if an Engineer hits a SOFLAMed fully manned Condor for the 6-kill, the poor Recon only gets one assist? It's crazy! Thanks for your support Aberbear! Hope you are well!
Biggest tip - enable the setting where you decouple your turret from your hull. meaning when your hull turns, the turret doesn't turn along with it. Incredibly important when making on the move shots or repositioning while firing.
Oh yeah, the second seats especially should be constantly on the lookout for Lissiles! I still think Lissiles are good but definitely not overpowered, as some would make you believe.
@@marzipandan767 couldn't agree more from both sides of that fence. I do really well with them and they are very effective but I never find myself being oppressed by them when in armour, they're much more lethal against aircraft since you can't tank the first shot. It is mostly balanced though since aircraft are much harder to hit. The only issue I have with them is the desync which makes them sometimes appear to be somewhere they're not but that's something that affects the user too
@@damienmcdonald7610 Yeah I am really hoping they can fix that or make it much better for the people who have it really hard. It's frustrating when it happens but I'm lucky enough that it doesn't happen to me too much. Whenever I am nailed out of the sky by the Lis I am always fine with it. They outplayed me and I failed to dodge them. It is totally fair!
@killerfroggaming6397 we'll see. I'm working on something now, which I'm pretty excited about. But I've got so much footage to go through that it's gonna take a while to come out.
@12:41 Good solo kill vs another MBT that had a TOW missile though it highlights the common issue of having teammates that jump in your vehicle and refuse to seat swap. Would have helped you even more if the squadmate had swapped to the mortar seat to help fight the MBT.
Thanks man! I was lucky that the enemy TOW player didn't notice my APS. If they had hit that, I would have lost for sure! Yeah, not everyone is super aware of the tools on these vehicles, and that is a shame.
With APS, I do think Repair System is closer in value than most players think. In a direct non-stop-line-of-sight fight, APS _does_ absolutely win. For newer players who often stumble into fights like that, yes it absolutely provides more value. However I find that when I creep around cover (including over a hill) to start an engagement, we often both get one shot off, the other guy activates APS, I retreat back to hard cover for 7 sec, and by the time the fight ends my Repair System has often come up that second time. (And the rest of the passive value to it is that _immediately after that fight_ I'm still getting periodic boosts of repairs without having to find someplace safe to get out and repair -- I can do it while sprinting to the next objective if needed; though I may not sprint full speed depending on battle conditions there). With Thermal Smoke, yeah it does feel like the only real choice. I wish the two regular Smoke options had faster cooldowns, as they're not _bad_ they just lack the outright defensive value Therm provides. I think the cooldown should in particular be accelerated for MBT/TOR, because for faster vehicles I think Smoke is fully viable (due to the value it provides in letting you dash away rapidly behind that smokescreen). Interesting info on the main gun numbers, thanks! My choice is often like Planetside 2, where it just feels too important to me to kill vehicles for me to opt for anything but the punchiest anti-armor I can get. So while I'd love to splurge on the anti-infantry option, it would just really irritate me each time I ended up dying to a tank in what would've been a draw or a win. STAFF I haven't really tried a whole lot, but they definitely felt a bit lackluster (though if they shine with proper tagging then maybe DICE will improve tagging gameplay a bit down the line and they'll simply rise back up to a balanced pick). Great vid, thanks!
I think APS is much more valuable because of things like Attack choppers and 25mm APDS on the CAV both tools which will tear through you very quickly if you don't have APS. In most cases when you activate it if it deflects more than one projectile, you'll get more out of it than repair. Repair can also be interrupted which can be quite significant if the enemy has some sort of weapon that pings for a small amount of damage, like Anti-Armour bullets or 25mm passenger cannon on the Attack chopper. Just my thoughts though, definitely use what you think works best for your play style. I agree the other smokes are very underwhelming. Thermal is completely better, especially since Javelins are common and do very good damage. You are welcome! I think knowing the numbers is very important so you can figure out what you want to do. It is worth noting that they are not the be all and end all. For example, the HE rounds shoot much faster than MPAT rounds, so they are much closer in damage to the MPAT... They are pretty OP in my opinion xD STAFF are a blast if you have a dedicated spotter. If you have a friend you can convince to spot for you, I would strongly recommend it for a few games! Thanks for the great long comment!
Thanks I always try to tell my friends about the staff shells , and Timeless Gamer Lis tips definitely helped me out alot , also I love what he did in one of his uplands when he calculated how much money he has cost his enemies in dollar amounts
The staff shells are an absolutely blast. Any opportunity when I have a recon friend tagging vehicles, I will absolutely bust them out! Timeless is great! I'm glad that you agree!
I use almost only the primary weapon because with it I can shoot, then spend the time when reloading to switch third person view to spot for incoming dangers such as soldiers with c5. I always try to keep moving as well, these two principles helped me to stay alive longer. The secondary weapon takes too much focus and ttk is at times too long which makes me vulnerable to attacks from various angles.
I completely agree with keeping moving, C5 is so deadly to MBTs. It's a little lessened since the movement buffs, since you can stop and start much faster. I think it is much easier to get tunnel vision with the secondary weapons for sure, but I think if you can train yourself to avoid doing it, you'll be glad to use the secondary.
It really is a good idea to get into switching to your machine gun while reloading and once you get into leading your shots with it, it becomes quite deadly. Happy gaming anyway 👍
I just started using the HEAT shells and I honestly think they’re the best (I almost have tier 1 for both tanks) The lower vehicle damage is noticeable, but you’re still a deterrent for enemy armor. IMO enemy infantry are a bigger problem than the vehicles if you’re supporting your infantry, and your engineers can most likely help with extra vehicle damage anyway HEAT rounds have definitely helped me out in winning more games and getting A LOT of kills recently
I agree 100% with what you are saying, but they feel so cheesy to use. You hardly have to aim them at all, you are practically guaranteed the kills against infantry. Cabal and I did a test, MPAT vs HEAT in a 1v1 tank slug-fest and at the end the MPAT won but with only 4 health remaining. I honestly think that the HEAT shells shouldn't be that effective against vehicles.
So many buildings are not destroyable. It really destroys the gaming experience. Guys camp in a house and I can not destroy it. BF3 was really a masterpiece in this aspect
I completely agree. They dropped the ball in 2042 in this respect, considering that one of BFs unique aspects was how you could shape the map through destruction. Even up to BFV, the destruction was great. They just focused on bad aspects during development, like the tornado.
HEAT Rounds, Thermal Smoke and APS is my tank loadout. With half the lobby carrying RPGs, APS is VITAL. Before it was added to tanks, they were super easy targets.
Fair, but what are your second and third seats? The HEAT rounds are amazing, and honestly a little broken. They should be much weaker vs armour than they currently are :/
ppl dont spawn in tanks bc they're usually not available and im not about to open the tablet every 10 seconds for a whole round just to check if there's one up for grabs
Sometimes if I see there is one available on the spawn screen, I'll quickly drop to a point on the map, pull up the tablet and call it in. It doesn't work all of the time, since other people sometimes get it, but it works often enough. I wish there was a way of knowing what was available without having to pull the tablet up.
I think it was BF4 where the third seat spotter attachment which could light up vehicles and then have the tank shoot with guided shell. The commander seat needs that.
Great video. Bottom line, in my opinion, tanks would be way better if the building/terrain destruction was as good as in previous titles. Rolling up on a building full of people and blowing out the walls was one of the MBT’s best advantages. Now you’re limited to threading shells through doors and windows which takes time and allows enemies to take pot shots through small cracks and entry ways without risk of you taking the wall down with a shot as a punishment. It’s too bad. 2042 really is polished in so many ways, but falls short in major areas still, even years later.
I think destructible environments is one of the major areas of improvement which I would like to see in the next iteration. It was one of the main reasons I picked up battlefield to begin with, so I really hope the current DICE notices that it is an important feature. Thanks for the comment!
Ah yes, the MBTs. I finally learned how to play TOR, and also learned how to RAM in the Assault Conquest game mode. But MBTs... I do not know how to use them.
Well, I hope that this video can help in some way. It's still very difficult, but with practice, you can minimize your risk and learn to help support your team with them! Hopefully, the upcoming movement changes will make the MBT way more viable! I appreciate your support!
Noob question about STAFF shells: Aren't STAFF shells these days pretty much dead in the water to use when the effective use of APS on almost all vehicles (I think???) pretty much counters lock-on abilities and gadgets? I don't do much vehicle play myself, but I do like to hop on every once in a while.
They can be countered by flares and thermal smoke if you use their lock on. They can also be countered by APS, but so can ever tank shell. Only the CAV, the TOR, and MBTs have access to APS. The great thing about STAFF shells with a lock on is you can shoot (and hit) without line of sight, provided your recon spotter keeps them tagged. Give them a try if you can have a dedicated recon :)
Bro... I was making a pass with a jet at the same time a vehicle was spawning from the sky, hit me, brought the jet nose down, and I crashed. not a good outcome when you are in a dogfight :(
@@cyclonous6240 It's easier than you would think to do. There are too many distraction on the BF, and sometimes you just get squished by your own drop xD
Occasionally, yes, xD his ticks include Angel's, who don't know how to use his loadout crate, people who use the jets as taxis, and people who abandon vehicles.
@@marzipandan767 all I do is gun for people @ImYourGunner and I completely understand the rage. Either they use them as taxis, they drive into the middle of everything, or they try to be xXSniperTank420Xx
@@AiR1DaN When I was recording for my passenger seat guide found myself in streamers MBT on the mortar POD. I thought to myself "This is going to be some great footage". They then proceeded to climb on a hill in our spawn and camp the whole game. I checked while I was playing, and they were streaming this... I think they got something like 11K 0D. I can't think of a worse stream to watch xD
I love seeing the subs rise on your channel. Seriously, you're underrated and put so much time in your videos I mean... good job dude! Please keep making videos, you're literally the only battlefield TH-camr I watch. As a medical main, this makes me want to give the tank a try. Keep up the work, and to you all reading this comment.. just subscribe. Please?
Thanks for the lovely comment! I really appreciate your support. I do have a few more BF videos in me, but I must warn you that 2042 content is definitely drying up, and with it, a lot of the interest in these videos is slowing down. This isn't just happening to me, but seemingly all BF creators. So unless something changes, I'll likely have to look for greener pastures. I really enjoy making videos so I'll probably keep at it, but I'm just letting you know that it might start to deviate from BF content.
Another thing, just run heat shells, there is so much missle spam from infanty that using a tank for anti tank is just a waste of your time, just run a tow missile in the gunner seat :/
Depends on the lobby, dosent matter how good a player ypu are, revenge bombing by Sundance with c4 , entire squads running at at the same time so you getting slammed by 4+ people the moment you get near a point, the changes to the class system needs to be fixed, anti vehicle.should take team work not a pissy mf wing suiting to you becuase you shit on them, anti air should absolutely rip aircraft to pieces but have short range so you can really only defend a single point at a time and mabye pokes an aircraft at another for over extending, anti infanty on armor needs a major buff, so does splash damage on shells and health, balance the system as a whole instead of just nerfing shot into the ground, vehicles aside from the helicopter and jet feel like shit and have no survivability against anything but bots
Great vid as always mate! To my embarrassment I only got my T28 Tier 1 last week-- I know it's a pipe dream but wouldn't it be great if there was an option to have a dedicated Gunner... that would be so cool :D
Oh right sorry -- what I meant was if we could have a mode where tank play was like "Hell Let Loose" whereby one player controlled the main turret i.e. was a dedicated gunner vs the driver / gunner combo we have now. Just think it would be fun, especially if you could change shells and use more advanced functionality :D Like I say silly pipe dream, never going to happen.@@marzipandan767
At least for me, my number 1 issue with the MBT is getting feasted on by stealth helicopter mains. I think though, that the RAM is a direct upgrade to the MBT. Yes, you sacrifice armor. However, you gain so much more value than the MBT's armor, with vastly superior speed, firepower, and versatility. Why settle for MPAT or HEAT shells when RAM rocket pods decimate both of those options, and are the fastest rocket in the game, more than capable of sniping aforementioned stealth helis? Honestly that's just the main gun. Everything else about the RAM is complete overkill haha. Mobile spawn point for team, lock on missiles for both AA and ground, best gunner weapons in the game. The thing literally can shoot enough explosive ordinance to reignite the cold war.
The ram is one of my favourite vehicles I wouldn't say the rockets are I direct upgrade since the MPAT refreshes much faster and has higher velocity, the main advantage the rocket pods is the higher burst damage but only if you hit all of your shots. I think they're both really good at different things and are both capable at fighting pretty much anything
@@damienmcdonald7610 I swear the rockets have a faster velocity, but I could be wrong! What I'm getting at, is the missiles are much better against infantry, whereas the MPATs are just average.
@@ToasterTron2000 yeah I do agree, they have decent splash damage and the fact that they burst fire is pretty handy too. I think the ram is better against infantry in general with it being much faster and more agile and it has APS too. It is also great against other armour as long as you play smart using cover and sneak attacks. I have tier 1 with the ram, m1a5, t28, nightbird, Apache and hokum they're all great vehicles in the right hands
Well said! I personally am a wildcat main. Run it with 30mm and anti tank missiles. Let's you creep up on aircraft so you can actually kill them.@@damienmcdonald7610
The agility of the RAM is really what makes it an absolute force! If you can keep moving whenever you start to take too much fire, you can absolutely crush enemy teams. More people need to use the team deploy beacon that it comes with! That being said, it only takes 2 MPAT shells to kill you in a RAM. So if you don't have APS up or don't get away fast enough, you aren't going to last long.
@@marzipandan767 I’ve found more success being aggressive with the TOR if I’m vehicle hunting, but I think that’s because I do not have a competent squad willing to play in a tank to use all the seats effectively, especially the mortar/turret slots. For taking out infantry, the RAM usually feels better to use given its excellent survivability and the 105mm howitzer melting infantry. So I’ve always found the MBTs to be in a sort of rock and a hard place. They’re a bit of a jack of all trades assault vehicle when kitted out and crewed. Almost like a mini-MAV for your squad.
@@Goldendroid I'm always happy when I see a TOR out of spawn actually playing it as intended! Good work with that! The EMP grenade it comes with is also amazing to just completely counter enemy armour. I do think MBT are in a weak state. I'm looking forward to the update coming soon, just the increased acceleration and turn speed are going to improve them so much!
The rate of fire increase isn't enough to make up for the damage loss. Also at longer ranges you'll really notice the drop and slower velocity making it much harder to hit distant vehicles and aircraft
I have never lost a duel with a enemy tank using heat shells. Hell I take out tanks using HEAT+TOW and they never had a chance of taking me out. The only threat a mbt can pose to another mbt is MPAT. I have only ever had a enemy MBT engage me with STAFF like twice.
I did a test yesterday to check this and you aren't wrong here, it is pretty 'even'. The HEAT shells put up a very competitive fight with their increased rate of fire, but the MPAT shells sill came out victorious (albeit barely). Me and Cabal both took tanks, I had MPAT and he had HEAT, we raced each other with shots to the side until one of us died. The MPAT shells won, but it was only by 4 health, which is a much smaller victory than I was expecting. It's quite a shocking. I will say that the MPAT shells are better at range since they don't drop quite as much and the HEAT shells cannot one shot aircraft, which is quite disappointing. But yeah, thanks for commenting this! It was a good thing for me to check. I do think the HEAT shells are still a bit OP vs infantry, considering you barely have to aim.
I completely agree, spawn camping tanks are the worst, and I am not sure why there isn't some kind of timer for the spawn zone. It really is a waste of a tank :/
I agree xD Someone on reddit the other day said this exact same thing, and this was my response: ------------------------------------ Real talk. I don't disagree. Hear me out. DICEs intention clearly is that vehicles should be a team effort to take care of (or it should be really difficult to solo them). You can see this in their design philosophy with Engineers in this game. You CAN solo tanks as an engineer, but it's difficult. The exception to this philosophy is C5. You can solo everything other than the CAV with three pieces (two if you get the rear of most vehicles). What is worse is they give C5 to everyone (other than medics), and it is so effective that almost all Assualt and Recon (and even a lot of engineers) are guaranteed to be equipped with them meaning that so many of their interesting tools don't get used. You want to know why no one plays with the SOFLAM because it's so much more efficient and effective to equip C5 and just banzai rush a vehicle than to use a tool that relies on teamplay. I also think that it is way too easy to use compared to other AT options. I'm a fan of the high skill, high reward way of thinking. C5 also encourages crap behavior in tanks since many players will just resort to camping with these vehicles since they know that getting close and playing the objective usually just end in a C5 death, because it gives no warning and tanks are too slow to react to the speed of C5. It is too effective compared to other weapons. I think a nerf could look like one of the following (not all): -Have its damage decreased but increased if thrown on the rear. This means you can still get the kill, but you need to be more tactical about it and can't just run in for an easy suicide attempt. -Only allow one class to run it. I don't care which class. It just sucks that everyone has it. Anything so that it is less prevalent. - Reduce the throwing range so it requires players to get much closer in order to secure the kill. Feel free to disagree with me. Hell, feel encouraged. But I agree with this post. -------------------------------------------------------- Another way to nerf would be as you suggested, maybe they could work like the rocket launchers, you start with 2 but can carry 3? So, it encourages you to work with a support player to get some ammo first?
@@marzipandan767 I do like the sound of the reduced damage for non tactical placements and the reduced carry capacity. It makes sense for engineers to carry it (although I find AT mines so much more fun now) but I'll admit I do like to have it when I play Mackay or Sundance. I think another good idea would be to make it only sticky when placed and if thrown it just bounces off since it's not THAT sticky right?
@@damienmcdonald7610 None sticky could be a good idea too! Just have it roll off of moving vehicles? Either way I think more players being encouraged to try different strategies would be much healthier for the game.
@@marzipandan767Agree on all but I would modify one point, assault cannot be allowed to have c5. Anything to get the most op anti tank option out of the hands of the two most broken specialists with practically zero counterplay options. Preferably only engineer should have c5. Make em pick between rockets or c5. All your other points are great.
Vehicles in this game suck. So dice adds vehicles to have more squad play, the idea is a squad or group of people need to owrk together to take out a tank. But 1 tank can have 1 person and wipe out squad aftrer squad as a solo. The tank should require a squad to operate. So tanks shouldnt be able to shoot, there should be a driver and a gunner. So tanks require squads just as much as infantry do.
I don't agree. I think vehicles can be strong in the right hands, but people can also get really good at dealing with vehicles. BF isn't a Milsim, it's an arcade-y FPS which takes some of the realism out for convenience/fun sake and I kind of prefer that. A lot of BF competitors lean into the realism too much for my liking. I get that those games are perfect for others, but for me the BF series lies in that perfect spot.
@@marzipandan767 i know its an arcade shooter, but dice has said it themselves that they want squad play and they dont want tanks to be taken out by just 1 person. But 1 person in a tank can take out entire squads? theres balancing issues that makes the game not as fun and why this game dosn't have a ranked mode and never has. I like battlefield being arcady but having huge advantages because youre in a chopper farming and get 60+ kills in a game or a tank getting 40+ kills just isnt fun. I love infantry gameplay but i find im often just in a chopper or vehicle since theyre so over powered.
I think it's worth mentioning that you should NEVER bail on your tank even if you think you're about to die. Giving your heavy armor to the enemy is probably the worst thing you can do to your own team and I see it all the time. Unless you can destroy your tank quickly, just go down with the ship please. Great video, keep it up
Yeah, I completely agree! I mentioned this in my Wildcat guide and didn't want to repeat myself here. Giving the enemy an extra tank can completely ruin your team's chances of winning. Thanks for your support!
This game just continues to impress me with it's depth. I only recently started using a recon character to lock on to enemy vehicles, and it has really opened up a new dimension to the game if I can get others to cooperate. I never explored the other tank shells but now I have a reason too. Thanks again for a great video.
I love SOFLAM interactions. It's one of the instances of teamwork really coming out shining. I would strongly recommend STAFF shells of you have a friend to help. If you are interested in more SOFLAM antics, I made a video with Timeless Gamer where he was a recon, and we were trying a bunch of different tactics for dealing with vehicles. It was an awesome time!
I need to redownload that one on my console and see if anyone is still online. I played the campaign more than multiplayer. BF1 was my first real jump into BF multiplayer.
You forgot to mention the different fire rates for each round. HEAT being the fastest. And HEAT will always be my fav, infantry can suck it. They're OP anyways with grenade launchers, hit-scan launchers, C4, Mines, EMP, lock-on's, and Lis missiles. Tanks should always be a highly dangerous threat that demand immediate attention. And you're not really giving up anti vehicle with the increased fire rate. Most of the time you can retreat and come back sneakily or get the initial jump on an enemy tank so that makes the lower damage acceptable. And if you're really going anti vehicle, LAZER TANK! Muahaha
I did a test yesterday to check this and you are right, the damage differences are quite minor when you consider the increased rate of fire of the HEAT rounds. Me and Cabal both took tanks, I had MPAT and he had HEAT, we raced each other with shots to the side until one of us died. The MPAT shells won, but it was only by 4 health, which is a much smaller victory than I was expecting. I will say the HEAT do have a disadvantage when it comes to dealing with longer ranged targets since the rounds drop very rapidly. Also they cannot one shot aircraft, which is something I love doing with the MPAT shells. But yeah, HEAT rounds are pretty great. I still think they are too easy to use against infantry :/
Very nice video. Informative and well edited to show great visual examples of everything you're talking about. 4:46 - Was honestly expecting that guy to jump into your tank after you jumped out. Good job killing them quickly! 7:02 - Curious how reload time factors into this comparison of HEAT shells vs MPAT shells against armor. I've lost straight up 1-v-1 tank battles where I was using MPAT and the other guy was using HEAT, both hitting front armor, because it seemed like the other guy could get so many more shots off than I could. (And I don't think I'm THAT bad at the game that I just completely whiffed it) 17:41 - Honestly, this is the single reason that I never use call-ins. Too much of a risk. All it takes is one sneaky enemy flanking into an area that you thought was safe, and boom: you've just screwed over your team by gifting the enemy a tank.
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it! 4:46 - I would normally never bail like this, but I knew I had a passenger so they wouldn't be able to get in. 7:02 - Cabal and I did a test, him with the HEAT and me with the MPAT, the MPAT won, but only by 6 damage. The HEAT is definitely too powerful in my opinion and it is so cheesy xD 17:41 - Fair. I use it if I know I am safe and will often still put down a smoke just to be completely safe.
Vehicles aswell as gameplay was at it's PEAK in Battlefield 4. Until they decide to go back to where it started with BFBC2, BF3 & 4. This franchise is done and dead. Tanks in BF4 would annihilate anything due to agility and precise shooting. Jets, helis, boats and other tanks never had a chance against a skilled player. Least with a good engineer helping to repair too.
I think two main things changed: 1. They made the tank turret speed restricted. This means you can't just whip the turret around 180. Which I think is a sensible choice honestly. 2. They made the acceleration of larger vehicles way too slow. It does look like the upcoming changes to vehicles will make this much better. I am hoping that it makes tanks more viable. Hell, just looking at how much smoother they turn gives me lots of hope!
I'm just telling it like I feel xD I ain't going to hold no punches against cheap tactics. I was very happy to see DICE agree and nerf C5 for Assault and Recon players. Thanks for commenting :) it really helps!
I play tanks very well In bf4, but every time I hop in a tank in 2042 it just feels off, I can’t even do close to as good with tanks in 2042 as I do in bf4.
It's the prevalence of C5. Too many classes have access to it, and it's too effective. Considering that DICE's stance on vehicles/infantry balance is that it should be very hard to solo kill vehicles as infantry, it's very odd to me that C5 is as strong as it is. I genuinely think it should be changed or removed from some classes.
@@marzipandan767well it’s not just that, the aiming, the customization and amount of equipment you can use, the way the tanks move, everything feels less responsive, doesn’t feel as snappy as on bf4, and I’m playing on controller btw
Excellent video, I already tank like this but always enjoy a good guide and I learned something new. I didn't know enemy c5s stay on you even after you kill them so I'll be watching out for that lol
Thanks! I'm always happy to have people who understand these weapons jump in and agree. It's very reassuring! Oh absolutely, if you've ever been randomly one shot by a rocket, a bit of loose C5 is mostly likely the culprit. Or if you've ever been killed by a pistol in a tank, they shot C5, and it counted as a kill with the pistol.
I have a combined 2853 kills with the ABRAMS and the t28 and I have been killed be exactly 6 enemy tanks. Every other fucking time it is either Mackey or the squirrel girl with C5 or it’s 7 or 12 guys using Lis missiles like a javelin.
I terraformed my MBT into more of a IFV role, using: Heat shells Tow Missiles Mortar It works and I leave the main anti-tank stuff to helicopters, planes (if they can) and rail gun tanks.
Is there a way to have the same controls as bf4? On bf4 I used the left stick to go forward and backwards, but can turn left and right, and in reverse I can turn way easier than I can in 2042. The turning while reversed is a pain in the butt with the left stick. what scheme are y’all using?
It is high risk, I agree, but you have to admit that it is much easier to use than the launchers, and right now, it dominates as most users' anti-tank choice. I just think that it doesn't promote good play from the user or the victim, and with some tweeks, it could make the game much more enjoyable for everyone. Just my thoughts, obviously, you can disagree. Thanks for commenting!
C5 is only high risk on certain specialists. Believe me if c5 wasn’t available on spiderman and flying squirrel I wouldn’t be all that upset getting killed by it because at that point I didn’t properly check my surroundings. As things stand c5 is an ez win gg button when using those two. Trust me the overwhelming majority of my tank deaths are due to the spiderman/flying squirrel C5 cheese. I rarely lose battles against other tanks and the only other threat are engineers specifically lis but I know how to shoot down lissiles. Plus if I get in a very bad spot I just pop APS to blast the rockets I cannot shoot/dodge. Its always been c5 thats my biggest killer. You know how easy it is to kill the average tanker when a tank shows up and everyone starts running TOWARDS the tank not away.
Dude? You say that heat shells against infantry are overpowered? Vehicles actually are extremely weak. Ground vehicles. We have Boris's turret. Liz rocket. Mines. Other rockets. Other air and ground vehicles. At grenades. In 2042 the balance is bad. They should make vehicles fun. Not like if they are made out of paper. Infantry has too many powerful toys...
I disagree, vehicles are really strong, but need to be used smartly. If you just rush in and get completely enveloped, then you are going to die. If you use them to support infantry, pushing slowly, and keeping an escape route open you can absolutely dominate with them. I think they are currently in a very balanced spot. Re HEAT Rounds: I don't know, I think you should be rewarded for aiming, not just given a kill because you shot roughly in the area. They also shot so much faster than MPAT shells when I made this, that they were actually better than MPAT shells for killing vehicles. Dice has recently balanced this.
@@marzipandan767 well, i really disagree with what you said. Also these smart rockets in attack heli, they are strong. Vehicles really aren't that strong. There's a ton of things people can do against them. Like i said, there's not really a proper balance. And yes, i know what i'm doing
They come back after a replenish time, which varies from round to round. You can see the circle in the bottom right after you fire the round, which indicates how long left until a round is replenished. For example HEAT rounds take much longer than MPAT rounds. Hope this helps!
I've found locking the turret in place also helps your gunners kill as they aren't swinging all over the place while you scan surroundings. Additionally, you can surprise the enemy while the turret is locked since they will think you aren't looking at them. Once they expose themselves, if you are on the outside view looking at them, you can unlock the turret and it'll swing toward them for a perfect shot. Locking the turret in place so useful to me that (on console) I changed it to toggle instead of hold so my fingers are free to use other buttons.
Great video. Cheers.
There is a setting that passengers can use in the menu so that their aim isn't adjusted by the movement of the vehicle. I don't know what it is called off the top of my head, but it definitely exists!
I have been using turret lock for looking around points lately because, as you said, it catches people off guard a lot. Thanks for adding your tips here!
Frankly the point reward for lazing targets needs to be increased, particularly when a successful kill is achieved.
I think it should add towards the scoreboard column which currently tracks ammo resupplies, heals and repairs. Say every 5-10 seconds you have a target tagged you get 1 point here. At least then your efforts will be reflected to your team.
Also give them an assist for every kill achieved in the vehicle kill, not just one of them.
100% agree. If I got points and assists for lazzing a target that was killed I would do it a lot more.
I spent entire rounds one day marking targets for my team . Works best when your ontop of a building or tower because you can survey the entire field & sit back and watch your team completely decimate the enemy team on the battlefield. I got a few thank yous at the end of matches.
people under using the soflam in game has always been an issue but if you have comms with the guy on soflam and a good spotter in your tank its a great experience
It is such a unique amazing tool in this game and can make enemy armour and choppers fold really quickly. But all of that doesn't matter because no one wants to waste their time doing it to have the rare opportunity to be given a single assist and a little bit of EXP. It's so upsetting!
Did you know that if an Engineer hits a SOFLAMed fully manned Condor for the 6-kill, the poor Recon only gets one assist? It's crazy!
Thanks for your support Aberbear! Hope you are well!
Biggest tip - enable the setting where you decouple your turret from your hull. meaning when your hull turns, the turret doesn't turn along with it. Incredibly important when making on the move shots or repositioning while firing.
A friend recently told me about this and he was ashamed that I didn't know about it already xD
Bruh what have I been doing
How do you do that?
@8:13 What wizardry. On my game, it would've definitely 100% hit the lamp post.
Well said about Lis missiles. If you're running the coax LMG/minigun they are really easy to catch.
Oh yeah, the second seats especially should be constantly on the lookout for Lissiles! I still think Lissiles are good but definitely not overpowered, as some would make you believe.
@@marzipandan767 couldn't agree more from both sides of that fence. I do really well with them and they are very effective but I never find myself being oppressed by them when in armour, they're much more lethal against aircraft since you can't tank the first shot. It is mostly balanced though since aircraft are much harder to hit. The only issue I have with them is the desync which makes them sometimes appear to be somewhere they're not but that's something that affects the user too
@@damienmcdonald7610 Yeah I am really hoping they can fix that or make it much better for the people who have it really hard. It's frustrating when it happens but I'm lucky enough that it doesn't happen to me too much.
Whenever I am nailed out of the sky by the Lis I am always fine with it. They outplayed me and I failed to dodge them. It is totally fair!
@@marzipandan767you gonna do vids for other heavy amour vehicles to?
@killerfroggaming6397 we'll see. I'm working on something now, which I'm pretty excited about. But I've got so much footage to go through that it's gonna take a while to come out.
@12:41 Good solo kill vs another MBT that had a TOW missile though it highlights the common issue of having teammates that jump in your vehicle and refuse to seat swap. Would have helped you even more if the squadmate had swapped to the mortar seat to help fight the MBT.
Thanks man! I was lucky that the enemy TOW player didn't notice my APS. If they had hit that, I would have lost for sure!
Yeah, not everyone is super aware of the tools on these vehicles, and that is a shame.
With APS, I do think Repair System is closer in value than most players think. In a direct non-stop-line-of-sight fight, APS _does_ absolutely win. For newer players who often stumble into fights like that, yes it absolutely provides more value. However I find that when I creep around cover (including over a hill) to start an engagement, we often both get one shot off, the other guy activates APS, I retreat back to hard cover for 7 sec, and by the time the fight ends my Repair System has often come up that second time. (And the rest of the passive value to it is that _immediately after that fight_ I'm still getting periodic boosts of repairs without having to find someplace safe to get out and repair -- I can do it while sprinting to the next objective if needed; though I may not sprint full speed depending on battle conditions there).
With Thermal Smoke, yeah it does feel like the only real choice. I wish the two regular Smoke options had faster cooldowns, as they're not _bad_ they just lack the outright defensive value Therm provides. I think the cooldown should in particular be accelerated for MBT/TOR, because for faster vehicles I think Smoke is fully viable (due to the value it provides in letting you dash away rapidly behind that smokescreen).
Interesting info on the main gun numbers, thanks! My choice is often like Planetside 2, where it just feels too important to me to kill vehicles for me to opt for anything but the punchiest anti-armor I can get. So while I'd love to splurge on the anti-infantry option, it would just really irritate me each time I ended up dying to a tank in what would've been a draw or a win. STAFF I haven't really tried a whole lot, but they definitely felt a bit lackluster (though if they shine with proper tagging then maybe DICE will improve tagging gameplay a bit down the line and they'll simply rise back up to a balanced pick).
Great vid, thanks!
I think APS is much more valuable because of things like Attack choppers and 25mm APDS on the CAV both tools which will tear through you very quickly if you don't have APS. In most cases when you activate it if it deflects more than one projectile, you'll get more out of it than repair. Repair can also be interrupted which can be quite significant if the enemy has some sort of weapon that pings for a small amount of damage, like Anti-Armour bullets or 25mm passenger cannon on the Attack chopper. Just my thoughts though, definitely use what you think works best for your play style.
I agree the other smokes are very underwhelming. Thermal is completely better, especially since Javelins are common and do very good damage.
You are welcome! I think knowing the numbers is very important so you can figure out what you want to do. It is worth noting that they are not the be all and end all. For example, the HE rounds shoot much faster than MPAT rounds, so they are much closer in damage to the MPAT... They are pretty OP in my opinion xD STAFF are a blast if you have a dedicated spotter. If you have a friend you can convince to spot for you, I would strongly recommend it for a few games!
Thanks for the great long comment!
Thanks I always try to tell my friends about the staff shells , and Timeless Gamer Lis tips definitely helped me out alot , also I love what he did in one of his uplands when he calculated how much money he has cost his enemies in dollar amounts
The staff shells are an absolutely blast. Any opportunity when I have a recon friend tagging vehicles, I will absolutely bust them out!
Timeless is great! I'm glad that you agree!
I use almost only the primary weapon because with it I can shoot, then spend the time when reloading to switch third person view to spot for incoming dangers such as soldiers with c5. I always try to keep moving as well, these two principles helped me to stay alive longer. The secondary weapon takes too much focus and ttk is at times too long which makes me vulnerable to attacks from various angles.
I completely agree with keeping moving, C5 is so deadly to MBTs. It's a little lessened since the movement buffs, since you can stop and start much faster.
I think it is much easier to get tunnel vision with the secondary weapons for sure, but I think if you can train yourself to avoid doing it, you'll be glad to use the secondary.
It really is a good idea to get into switching to your machine gun while reloading and once you get into leading your shots with it, it becomes quite deadly. Happy gaming anyway 👍
I just started using the HEAT shells and I honestly think they’re the best (I almost have tier 1 for both tanks) The lower vehicle damage is noticeable, but you’re still a deterrent for enemy armor. IMO enemy infantry are a bigger problem than the vehicles if you’re supporting your infantry, and your engineers can most likely help with extra vehicle damage anyway
HEAT rounds have definitely helped me out in winning more games and getting A LOT of kills recently
I agree 100% with what you are saying, but they feel so cheesy to use. You hardly have to aim them at all, you are practically guaranteed the kills against infantry.
Cabal and I did a test, MPAT vs HEAT in a 1v1 tank slug-fest and at the end the MPAT won but with only 4 health remaining. I honestly think that the HEAT shells shouldn't be that effective against vehicles.
So many buildings are not destroyable. It really destroys the gaming experience. Guys camp in a house and I can not destroy it. BF3 was really a masterpiece in this aspect
I completely agree. They dropped the ball in 2042 in this respect, considering that one of BFs unique aspects was how you could shape the map through destruction. Even up to BFV, the destruction was great. They just focused on bad aspects during development, like the tornado.
HEAT Rounds, Thermal Smoke and APS is my tank loadout. With half the lobby carrying RPGs, APS is VITAL. Before it was added to tanks, they were super easy targets.
Fair, but what are your second and third seats? The HEAT rounds are amazing, and honestly a little broken. They should be much weaker vs armour than they currently are :/
Great guide as usual. Been getting into tanking recently and this'll really help.
Thanks Henti, I hope it helps! It was awesome randomly playing with you the other day! Thanks for your support as always!
@@marzipandan767 Yeah it was cool!
ppl dont spawn in tanks bc they're usually not available and im not about to open the tablet every 10 seconds for a whole round just to check if there's one up for grabs
Sometimes if I see there is one available on the spawn screen, I'll quickly drop to a point on the map, pull up the tablet and call it in. It doesn't work all of the time, since other people sometimes get it, but it works often enough. I wish there was a way of knowing what was available without having to pull the tablet up.
I think it was BF4 where the third seat spotter attachment which could light up vehicles and then have the tank shoot with guided shell. The commander seat needs that.
2nd seat Soflam for gunner in bf4. Still playing daily.
Great video. Bottom line, in my opinion, tanks would be way better if the building/terrain destruction was as good as in previous titles. Rolling up on a building full of people and blowing out the walls was one of the MBT’s best advantages. Now you’re limited to threading shells through doors and windows which takes time and allows enemies to take pot shots through small cracks and entry ways without risk of you taking the wall down with a shot as a punishment. It’s too bad. 2042 really is polished in so many ways, but falls short in major areas still, even years later.
I think destructible environments is one of the major areas of improvement which I would like to see in the next iteration. It was one of the main reasons I picked up battlefield to begin with, so I really hope the current DICE notices that it is an important feature.
Thanks for the comment!
Ah yes, the MBTs.
I finally learned how to play TOR, and also learned how to RAM in the Assault Conquest game mode.
But MBTs... I do not know how to use them.
Well, I hope that this video can help in some way. It's still very difficult, but with practice, you can minimize your risk and learn to help support your team with them!
Hopefully, the upcoming movement changes will make the MBT way more viable! I appreciate your support!
Noob question about STAFF shells:
Aren't STAFF shells these days pretty much dead in the water to use when the effective use of APS on almost all vehicles (I think???) pretty much counters lock-on abilities and gadgets? I don't do much vehicle play myself, but I do like to hop on every once in a while.
They can be countered by flares and thermal smoke if you use their lock on. They can also be countered by APS, but so can ever tank shell. Only the CAV, the TOR, and MBTs have access to APS. The great thing about STAFF shells with a lock on is you can shoot (and hit) without line of sight, provided your recon spotter keeps them tagged.
Give them a try if you can have a dedicated recon :)
@@marzipandan767 that is so informative. Thanks!
@@deepblue2 I'm glad I could help :)
I, myself have died multiple times while spawing vehicles on me. Mostly, crushing by my vehicles! xD
Bro... I was making a pass with a jet at the same time a vehicle was spawning from the sky, hit me, brought the jet nose down, and I crashed. not a good outcome when you are in a dogfight :(
Man, I would have loved to see that from the ground, I bet it would have looked amazing xD
@@marzipandan767 I just can't describe how I was angry at myself for so many times that happened
@@cyclonous6240 It's easier than you would think to do. There are too many distraction on the BF, and sometimes you just get squished by your own drop xD
awesome video
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Your friend Cabal2040 loves to let em have it in the chat 🤣
Occasionally, yes, xD his ticks include Angel's, who don't know how to use his loadout crate, people who use the jets as taxis, and people who abandon vehicles.
@@marzipandan767 all I do is gun for people @ImYourGunner and I completely understand the rage. Either they use them as taxis, they drive into the middle of everything, or they try to be xXSniperTank420Xx
GUILTY :<
lol
@@marzipandan767 :
@@AiR1DaN When I was recording for my passenger seat guide found myself in streamers MBT on the mortar POD. I thought to myself "This is going to be some great footage". They then proceeded to climb on a hill in our spawn and camp the whole game. I checked while I was playing, and they were streaming this... I think they got something like 11K 0D. I can't think of a worse stream to watch xD
Great and very helpful video 😎👍🏼 Thank you very much 😊
Thanks! I am very glad that you enjoyed it! Hope it helps :)
I love seeing the subs rise on your channel. Seriously, you're underrated and put so much time in your videos I mean... good job dude! Please keep making videos, you're literally the only battlefield TH-camr I watch. As a medical main, this makes me want to give the tank a try. Keep up the work, and to you all reading this comment.. just subscribe. Please?
Thanks for the lovely comment! I really appreciate your support.
I do have a few more BF videos in me, but I must warn you that 2042 content is definitely drying up, and with it, a lot of the interest in these videos is slowing down. This isn't just happening to me, but seemingly all BF creators. So unless something changes, I'll likely have to look for greener pastures.
I really enjoy making videos so I'll probably keep at it, but I'm just letting you know that it might start to deviate from BF content.
Another thing, just run heat shells, there is so much missle spam from infanty that using a tank for anti tank is just a waste of your time, just run a tow missile in the gunner seat :/
Depends on the lobby, dosent matter how good a player ypu are, revenge bombing by Sundance with c4 , entire squads running at at the same time so you getting slammed by 4+ people the moment you get near a point, the changes to the class system needs to be fixed, anti vehicle.should take team work not a pissy mf wing suiting to you becuase you shit on them, anti air should absolutely rip aircraft to pieces but have short range so you can really only defend a single point at a time and mabye pokes an aircraft at another for over extending, anti infanty on armor needs a major buff, so does splash damage on shells and health, balance the system as a whole instead of just nerfing shot into the ground, vehicles aside from the helicopter and jet feel like shit and have no survivability against anything but bots
Great vid as always mate! To my embarrassment I only got my T28 Tier 1 last week-- I know it's a pipe dream but wouldn't it be great if there was an option to have a dedicated Gunner... that would be so cool :D
Thanks Timeless!
Could you elaborate on what you mean by a dedicated gunner?
Oh right sorry -- what I meant was if we could have a mode where tank play was like "Hell Let Loose" whereby one player controlled the main turret i.e. was a dedicated gunner vs the driver / gunner combo we have now. Just think it would be fun, especially if you could change shells and use more advanced functionality :D
Like I say silly pipe dream, never going to happen.@@marzipandan767
At least for me, my number 1 issue with the MBT is getting feasted on by stealth helicopter mains. I think though, that the RAM is a direct upgrade to the MBT. Yes, you sacrifice armor. However, you gain so much more value than the MBT's armor, with vastly superior speed, firepower, and versatility. Why settle for MPAT or HEAT shells when RAM rocket pods decimate both of those options, and are the fastest rocket in the game, more than capable of sniping aforementioned stealth helis? Honestly that's just the main gun. Everything else about the RAM is complete overkill haha. Mobile spawn point for team, lock on missiles for both AA and ground, best gunner weapons in the game. The thing literally can shoot enough explosive ordinance to reignite the cold war.
The ram is one of my favourite vehicles I wouldn't say the rockets are I direct upgrade since the MPAT refreshes much faster and has higher velocity, the main advantage the rocket pods is the higher burst damage but only if you hit all of your shots. I think they're both really good at different things and are both capable at fighting pretty much anything
@@damienmcdonald7610 I swear the rockets have a faster velocity, but I could be wrong! What I'm getting at, is the missiles are much better against infantry, whereas the MPATs are just average.
@@ToasterTron2000 yeah I do agree, they have decent splash damage and the fact that they burst fire is pretty handy too. I think the ram is better against infantry in general with it being much faster and more agile and it has APS too. It is also great against other armour as long as you play smart using cover and sneak attacks. I have tier 1 with the ram, m1a5, t28, nightbird, Apache and hokum they're all great vehicles in the right hands
Well said! I personally am a wildcat main. Run it with 30mm and anti tank missiles. Let's you creep up on aircraft so you can actually kill them.@@damienmcdonald7610
The agility of the RAM is really what makes it an absolute force! If you can keep moving whenever you start to take too much fire, you can absolutely crush enemy teams. More people need to use the team deploy beacon that it comes with!
That being said, it only takes 2 MPAT shells to kill you in a RAM. So if you don't have APS up or don't get away fast enough, you aren't going to last long.
ok cool but how do u actually GET the tank
Love these videos, so helpful
Thanks! I'm glad that you enjoy them :)
very nice
Yay! MBTs!
Thanks for the support as always Golden! Hope you enjoyed the video!
@@marzipandan767 I’ve found more success being aggressive with the TOR if I’m vehicle hunting, but I think that’s because I do not have a competent squad willing to play in a tank to use all the seats effectively, especially the mortar/turret slots.
For taking out infantry, the RAM usually feels better to use given its excellent survivability and the 105mm howitzer melting infantry.
So I’ve always found the MBTs to be in a sort of rock and a hard place. They’re a bit of a jack of all trades assault vehicle when kitted out and crewed. Almost like a mini-MAV for your squad.
@@Goldendroid I'm always happy when I see a TOR out of spawn actually playing it as intended! Good work with that! The EMP grenade it comes with is also amazing to just completely counter enemy armour.
I do think MBT are in a weak state. I'm looking forward to the update coming soon, just the increased acceleration and turn speed are going to improve them so much!
And lis is busted, legit just played a game before work where I had six of them spamming me the entire game
good video
Thanks man! I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it! Thanks for commenting!
@@marzipandan767 can the gunner o spotter use the soflam like in BF4?
heat shell has faster rate of fire which make it even against mpt 1v1 scenario
Is that true? It does far less damage…
The rate of fire increase isn't enough to make up for the damage loss. Also at longer ranges you'll really notice the drop and slower velocity making it much harder to hit distant vehicles and aircraft
@@Goldendroid No, it is an objectively false statement.
I have never lost a duel with a enemy tank using heat shells. Hell I take out tanks using HEAT+TOW and they never had a chance of taking me out. The only threat a mbt can pose to another mbt is MPAT. I have only ever had a enemy MBT engage me with STAFF like twice.
I did a test yesterday to check this and you aren't wrong here, it is pretty 'even'. The HEAT shells put up a very competitive fight with their increased rate of fire, but the MPAT shells sill came out victorious (albeit barely).
Me and Cabal both took tanks, I had MPAT and he had HEAT, we raced each other with shots to the side until one of us died. The MPAT shells won, but it was only by 4 health, which is a much smaller victory than I was expecting. It's quite a shocking.
I will say that the MPAT shells are better at range since they don't drop quite as much and the HEAT shells cannot one shot aircraft, which is quite disappointing.
But yeah, thanks for commenting this! It was a good thing for me to check. I do think the HEAT shells are still a bit OP vs infantry, considering you barely have to aim.
I wish there was a penalty for tanks camping out in their own spawn. Players like this that actually PTFO are few and far between on most servers.
I completely agree, spawn camping tanks are the worst, and I am not sure why there isn't some kind of timer for the spawn zone. It really is a waste of a tank :/
I agree for the most part but people camp with tanks because the moment they ptfo they are insta killed by the supremely OP infantry.
Hope they nerf C5 (maybe carry 2 max) and buff the M5, RPG, and Javelin. C5 doesn't work with the current specialists and maps
I agree xD
Someone on reddit the other day said this exact same thing, and this was my response:
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Real talk. I don't disagree.
Hear me out.
DICEs intention clearly is that vehicles should be a team effort to take care of (or it should be really difficult to solo them). You can see this in their design philosophy with Engineers in this game. You CAN solo tanks as an engineer, but it's difficult.
The exception to this philosophy is C5. You can solo everything other than the CAV with three pieces (two if you get the rear of most vehicles). What is worse is they give C5 to everyone (other than medics), and it is so effective that almost all Assualt and Recon (and even a lot of engineers) are guaranteed to be equipped with them meaning that so many of their interesting tools don't get used. You want to know why no one plays with the SOFLAM because it's so much more efficient and effective to equip C5 and just banzai rush a vehicle than to use a tool that relies on teamplay.
I also think that it is way too easy to use compared to other AT options. I'm a fan of the high skill, high reward way of thinking.
C5 also encourages crap behavior in tanks since many players will just resort to camping with these vehicles since they know that getting close and playing the objective usually just end in a C5 death, because it gives no warning and tanks are too slow to react to the speed of C5.
It is too effective compared to other weapons. I think a nerf could look like one of the following (not all):
-Have its damage decreased but increased if thrown on the rear. This means you can still get the kill, but you need to be more tactical about it and can't just run in for an easy suicide attempt.
-Only allow one class to run it. I don't care which class. It just sucks that everyone has it. Anything so that it is less prevalent.
- Reduce the throwing range so it requires players to get much closer in order to secure the kill.
Feel free to disagree with me. Hell, feel encouraged. But I agree with this post.
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Another way to nerf would be as you suggested, maybe they could work like the rocket launchers, you start with 2 but can carry 3? So, it encourages you to work with a support player to get some ammo first?
@@marzipandan767 I do like the sound of the reduced damage for non tactical placements and the reduced carry capacity. It makes sense for engineers to carry it (although I find AT mines so much more fun now) but I'll admit I do like to have it when I play Mackay or Sundance. I think another good idea would be to make it only sticky when placed and if thrown it just bounces off since it's not THAT sticky right?
@@damienmcdonald7610 None sticky could be a good idea too! Just have it roll off of moving vehicles? Either way I think more players being encouraged to try different strategies would be much healthier for the game.
@@damienmcdonald7610Mackay and Sundance having c5 is the exact reason why vehicle gameplay is abysmal.
@@marzipandan767Agree on all but I would modify one point, assault cannot be allowed to have c5. Anything to get the most op anti tank option out of the hands of the two most broken specialists with practically zero counterplay options. Preferably only engineer should have c5. Make em pick between rockets or c5. All your other points are great.
Vehicles in this game suck. So dice adds vehicles to have more squad play, the idea is a squad or group of people need to owrk together to take out a tank. But 1 tank can have 1 person and wipe out squad aftrer squad as a solo. The tank should require a squad to operate. So tanks shouldnt be able to shoot, there should be a driver and a gunner. So tanks require squads just as much as infantry do.
I don't agree. I think vehicles can be strong in the right hands, but people can also get really good at dealing with vehicles. BF isn't a Milsim, it's an arcade-y FPS which takes some of the realism out for convenience/fun sake and I kind of prefer that. A lot of BF competitors lean into the realism too much for my liking. I get that those games are perfect for others, but for me the BF series lies in that perfect spot.
@@marzipandan767 i know its an arcade shooter, but dice has said it themselves that they want squad play and they dont want tanks to be taken out by just 1 person. But 1 person in a tank can take out entire squads? theres balancing issues that makes the game not as fun and why this game dosn't have a ranked mode and never has. I like battlefield being arcady but having huge advantages because youre in a chopper farming and get 60+ kills in a game or a tank getting 40+ kills just isnt fun. I love infantry gameplay but i find im often just in a chopper or vehicle since theyre so over powered.
ill sum it up: ya dont
I think it's worth mentioning that you should NEVER bail on your tank even if you think you're about to die. Giving your heavy armor to the enemy is probably the worst thing you can do to your own team and I see it all the time. Unless you can destroy your tank quickly, just go down with the ship please.
Great video, keep it up
Yeah, I completely agree! I mentioned this in my Wildcat guide and didn't want to repeat myself here. Giving the enemy an extra tank can completely ruin your team's chances of winning.
Thanks for your support!
This game just continues to impress me with it's depth. I only recently started using a recon character to lock on to enemy vehicles, and it has really opened up a new dimension to the game if I can get others to cooperate. I never explored the other tank shells but now I have a reason too. Thanks again for a great video.
I love SOFLAM interactions. It's one of the instances of teamwork really coming out shining. I would strongly recommend STAFF shells of you have a friend to help. If you are interested in more SOFLAM antics, I made a video with Timeless Gamer where he was a recon, and we were trying a bunch of different tactics for dealing with vehicles. It was an awesome time!
Play bf4 man it has even more depth than 2042
I need to redownload that one on my console and see if anyone is still online. I played the campaign more than multiplayer. BF1 was my first real jump into BF multiplayer.
Same, but try bf4 you also have a commander mode and stuff
Your SOFLAM spotter was handsome.
He's also the best mathemagician I've ever had the pleasure of knowing!
You forgot to mention the different fire rates for each round. HEAT being the fastest. And HEAT will always be my fav, infantry can suck it. They're OP anyways with grenade launchers, hit-scan launchers, C4, Mines, EMP, lock-on's, and Lis missiles. Tanks should always be a highly dangerous threat that demand immediate attention.
And you're not really giving up anti vehicle with the increased fire rate. Most of the time you can retreat and come back sneakily or get the initial jump on an enemy tank so that makes the lower damage acceptable.
And if you're really going anti vehicle, LAZER TANK! Muahaha
I did a test yesterday to check this and you are right, the damage differences are quite minor when you consider the increased rate of fire of the HEAT rounds. Me and Cabal both took tanks, I had MPAT and he had HEAT, we raced each other with shots to the side until one of us died. The MPAT shells won, but it was only by 4 health, which is a much smaller victory than I was expecting.
I will say the HEAT do have a disadvantage when it comes to dealing with longer ranged targets since the rounds drop very rapidly. Also they cannot one shot aircraft, which is something I love doing with the MPAT shells.
But yeah, HEAT rounds are pretty great. I still think they are too easy to use against infantry :/
@@marzipandan767 oh yeah that drop is tough, I like to run away in those situations and try to find a closer firing position.
Very nice video. Informative and well edited to show great visual examples of everything you're talking about.
4:46 - Was honestly expecting that guy to jump into your tank after you jumped out. Good job killing them quickly!
7:02 - Curious how reload time factors into this comparison of HEAT shells vs MPAT shells against armor. I've lost straight up 1-v-1 tank battles where I was using MPAT and the other guy was using HEAT, both hitting front armor, because it seemed like the other guy could get so many more shots off than I could. (And I don't think I'm THAT bad at the game that I just completely whiffed it)
17:41 - Honestly, this is the single reason that I never use call-ins. Too much of a risk. All it takes is one sneaky enemy flanking into an area that you thought was safe, and boom: you've just screwed over your team by gifting the enemy a tank.
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
4:46 - I would normally never bail like this, but I knew I had a passenger so they wouldn't be able to get in.
7:02 - Cabal and I did a test, him with the HEAT and me with the MPAT, the MPAT won, but only by 6 damage. The HEAT is definitely too powerful in my opinion and it is so cheesy xD
17:41 - Fair. I use it if I know I am safe and will often still put down a smoke just to be completely safe.
How do you change from the 3rd person view to 1st person? Everytime I get in a tank it puts me in 3rd person.
Vehicles aswell as gameplay was at it's PEAK in Battlefield 4. Until they decide to go back to where it started with BFBC2, BF3 & 4. This franchise is done and dead.
Tanks in BF4 would annihilate anything due to agility and precise shooting. Jets, helis, boats and other tanks never had a chance against a skilled player. Least with a good engineer helping to repair too.
I think two main things changed:
1. They made the tank turret speed restricted. This means you can't just whip the turret around 180. Which I think is a sensible choice honestly.
2. They made the acceleration of larger vehicles way too slow. It does look like the upcoming changes to vehicles will make this much better. I am hoping that it makes tanks more viable. Hell, just looking at how much smoother they turn gives me lots of hope!
What a great intruduction
Oof. Tell us what you REALLY think about C5 armor killers. lol
I'm just telling it like I feel xD I ain't going to hold no punches against cheap tactics.
I was very happy to see DICE agree and nerf C5 for Assault and Recon players.
Thanks for commenting :) it really helps!
Thanks for the genuinely useful vid. This has improved my tanking abilities no end.
Thanks! I'm really glad it could help! Hope to see you on the Battlefield!
I play tanks very well In bf4, but every time I hop in a tank in 2042 it just feels off, I can’t even do close to as good with tanks in 2042 as I do in bf4.
It's the prevalence of C5. Too many classes have access to it, and it's too effective.
Considering that DICE's stance on vehicles/infantry balance is that it should be very hard to solo kill vehicles as infantry, it's very odd to me that C5 is as strong as it is. I genuinely think it should be changed or removed from some classes.
@@marzipandan767well it’s not just that, the aiming, the customization and amount of equipment you can use, the way the tanks move, everything feels less responsive, doesn’t feel as snappy as on bf4, and I’m playing on controller btw
Excellent video, I already tank like this but always enjoy a good guide and I learned something new. I didn't know enemy c5s stay on you even after you kill them so I'll be watching out for that lol
Thanks! I'm always happy to have people who understand these weapons jump in and agree. It's very reassuring!
Oh absolutely, if you've ever been randomly one shot by a rocket, a bit of loose C5 is mostly likely the culprit. Or if you've ever been killed by a pistol in a tank, they shot C5, and it counted as a kill with the pistol.
I have a combined 2853 kills with the ABRAMS and the t28 and I have been killed be exactly 6 enemy tanks. Every other fucking time it is either Mackey or the squirrel girl with C5 or it’s 7 or 12 guys using Lis missiles like a javelin.
How is it possible to switch between 3rd person mode and the sight of aiming?
You mean how do you use the 3rd person mode in vehicles. I'm not sure on console but on PC, you use the C key.
@@marzipandan767 thx 👍
I terraformed my MBT into more of a IFV role, using:
Heat shells
Tow Missiles
Mortar
It works and I leave the main anti-tank stuff to helicopters, planes (if they can) and rail gun tanks.
Is there a way to have the same controls as bf4? On bf4 I used the left stick to go forward and backwards, but can turn left and right, and in reverse I can turn way easier than I can in 2042. The turning while reversed is a pain in the butt with the left stick. what scheme are y’all using?
Most of Time I'm dealing with C5 i instantly get out of tank to take it out it's not a good idea but still works
It's so risky. If they steal your tank, it is so bad for your team.
I'll only do that if I have a passenger so that I know it won't get stolen.
@@marzipandan767 and the worst part is you will not gotta play tank again till it's destroy.
Great video!! Thank you for the tips. Time to go practice. Sub earned ❤
Thanks for the kind words! I'm glad that you were able to get something out of it! I appreciate the sub!
Dude, I like your content a lot! Thanks for keeping me interested in this game and teaching us good ways to have fun with it
Thanks for commenting :) I'm really glad that you enjoyed it! I hope it helps!
Never have a problem really, cause we run a crew with mics.
Great guide! I’ve Tier 1’d the M1A5 and 100% of this checks out.
Thanks for commenting! It is always reassuring when people who know the tanks inside and out agree with this!
On pc this game is too easy
vehicle mains : "finally, some good fucking content"
Haha thanks! I appreciate you saying so!
Also, personally I do feel like C5 is pretty balanced.
As in, it is still pretty high risk high rewards for the infantry player.
It is high risk, I agree, but you have to admit that it is much easier to use than the launchers, and right now, it dominates as most users' anti-tank choice.
I just think that it doesn't promote good play from the user or the victim, and with some tweeks, it could make the game much more enjoyable for everyone.
Just my thoughts, obviously, you can disagree. Thanks for commenting!
C5 is only high risk on certain specialists. Believe me if c5 wasn’t available on spiderman and flying squirrel I wouldn’t be all that upset getting killed by it because at that point I didn’t properly check my surroundings. As things stand c5 is an ez win gg button when using those two. Trust me the overwhelming majority of my tank deaths are due to the spiderman/flying squirrel C5 cheese. I rarely lose battles against other tanks and the only other threat are engineers specifically lis but I know how to shoot down lissiles. Plus if I get in a very bad spot I just pop APS to blast the rockets I cannot shoot/dodge. Its always been c5 thats my biggest killer. You know how easy it is to kill the average tanker when a tank shows up and everyone starts running TOWARDS the tank not away.
4:55
I was so expecting you'd repair tool it.
That would have been a big mistake xD I think it would have detonated it.
Another banger as usual. Looking forward to more
Thanks for the support! I'm glad that you enjoyed it!
good guide
Dude? You say that heat shells against infantry are overpowered? Vehicles actually are extremely weak. Ground vehicles. We have Boris's turret. Liz rocket. Mines. Other rockets. Other air and ground vehicles. At grenades. In 2042 the balance is bad. They should make vehicles fun. Not like if they are made out of paper. Infantry has too many powerful toys...
I disagree, vehicles are really strong, but need to be used smartly. If you just rush in and get completely enveloped, then you are going to die. If you use them to support infantry, pushing slowly, and keeping an escape route open you can absolutely dominate with them. I think they are currently in a very balanced spot.
Re HEAT Rounds: I don't know, I think you should be rewarded for aiming, not just given a kill because you shot roughly in the area.
They also shot so much faster than MPAT shells when I made this, that they were actually better than MPAT shells for killing vehicles. Dice has recently balanced this.
@@marzipandan767 well, i really disagree with what you said. Also these smart rockets in attack heli, they are strong. Vehicles really aren't that strong. There's a ton of things people can do against them. Like i said, there's not really a proper balance. And yes, i know what i'm doing
Thats what i want to see, love it bro! Keep it up❤
Thanks man! I'm glad that you enjoyed it!
Does anybody know how to refill tanks when they run out of ammo?
They come back after a replenish time, which varies from round to round. You can see the circle in the bottom right after you fire the round, which indicates how long left until a round is replenished. For example HEAT rounds take much longer than MPAT rounds. Hope this helps!
5:30 100% agree
It's just a waste :/ And it is sad to see so many people resort to it.
Thanks for the comment elf!
Nice tips you have hear, i just play without cometary, but i like BF like you do!
Thanks I appreciate the support :) I am glad you enjoued them!
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