Lester Maddox and Jim Brown Get Into Heated Debate on Segregation | The Dick Cavett Show
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- Governor Lester Maddox and Ex-Football player Jim Brown get into a heated race debate.
Date aired - 18 December 1970 - Lester Maddox
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It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.
Right
💣💣💣💣
Because they have no fixed position
At least in public
Right
Mark Twain -> ''Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.''
Exactly!!!!!!
Why does did this post make me die of laughter
What did he say in the interview that makes him an idiot ?
Mark Twain was a luciferian baster
@@DC-ss2jx ~ Listen again! Then go figure!
RIP Jim Brown.
What a monumental presence.
What a monumental man.
Broke my heart when I found out about this today 05/19/2023
Jim Brown died almost 20 years after Lester Maddox. RIP to the late great Jim Brown🙏 .
He died?
@@EMT_Rick yes he did, this past Friday afternoon. He was 87
@@dontaviouschandler3961 wait what
It's crazy how the governor is using the same "all people" and "all lives" argument that is being used today.
Maybe there’s something to it… and btw, Lester is a democrat.
Age old trope of racist people
The argument is certainly reasonable in general, but shouldn't be used to undermine the argument or interrupt the discussion about the particular inequality of black people (at the time) and which was at the center of that shows discussion.
It was not clever of Jim Brown to insinuate things about the security guard.
Otherwise however the governor's arguments are all weak.
How can he believe no race is inferior and inequality is cruel yet insist on the freedom of people to avoid living/learning) working with people from another race? He accepts a differentiation where he says he does not want to see one.
He also promotes a freedom of choice that does not exist in equal form for other relationships. If you go to a diner, you get served by the waiter, doesn't matter if you like the waiter. You can choose to go to another diner or not go at all but you do not choose the waiter and less on reasons of race.
They are trained well
Actually it’s not crazy, those words are being used intentionally today and that why it’s called dog whistling.
Someone said the Governors voice alone can light a cross, and I about died😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
He looks like a conehead
💀Smh
😂
Facts! 🥴😆
Jim Brown's way of speaking is pure class. How he stayed so calm during all those rude interruptions.. I realized I should be saying more of these 'can I give you my answer?' or 'can I finish?' in conversations, rather than just trying to speak louder.
What a legend!
i just learned something by reading your comment. thankyou.
@@user-mi5xq8zj7u uuh ? What? 😂¿
@@user-mi5xq8zj7u now the juniors are continuing the debate.
@@user-mi5xq8zj7u same
Sometimes I say "are you finished or are you done?"
It's like Jim Brown is talking to a child!!! His resolve is incredible 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Jim Brown actually learned something from this show.
Looked this up and Jimmy is correct.
Jim Brown started becoming more conservative as a result of this encounter with Governor Maddox.
@@E.C.2 there have always been conservatives within the Black Power movement. Conservative or not, Maddox was racist and childish in the interview and Brown handled it with grace and patience.
@@yaminewell7791 Gov Maddox won the debate.
@@E.C.2 he definitely did not! He looks and sounds like an idiot 🤣
The Great Jim Brown. Such dignity and grace. Trying to carry the ball forward for society ❤ RIP
How are we going forward? Blind fool.
If he saw it today he would probably retract everything he said.
@DanFernandesBenficaSaint Precisely...The statistics tell the facts unfortunately.
He brought up the fact that he "has a reputation" and made fun of Lester Maddox for bringing a state trooper. Yes, VERY "dignified" and "graceful" lol
Jim Brown’s composure is legendary
Psychic Tarot Jimmy how did he threaten him?
Yeah, My Son looks like and acts alotlike him
When you get mad you lose the debate. A lot of young people don't get that.
Beating your wife isn't legendary composure.
Edwin Batiste
How impressive is Jim Brown... amazing.
I just witnessed patience being exercised to the highest degree. ✊🏽
+Trappa Push TELL me about it!!
Maddox voice would make me commit homicide
I would not have been so patient. I wanted to punch him in the face through my phone, the little dweeb.
Yes. Gov. Maddox had lots of patience with that smart ass Jim Brown.
Savage vile ass governor
It’s too bad the full show wasn’t shown as Lester Maddox, feeling the heat, got up and walked off stage before the program ended.
😂😂😂really
I love watching the Dick Cavett Show. This show was before my time but it’s so much better than any talk show or late night show on today. This is real discourse, not some stooge and controlled opposition.
What's even better is that the host stays out of it.. imagine Jimmy Kimmel or Fallon on there
This conversation could never happen with those two dimwits
@@heavyhaul8621 right..and it would be more about how you feel than actual facts
Zac Monarch they would be making all sorts of moronic comments and crying!!!!!!
Zac Monarch they would say “BUT YOU’RE A WHITE MALE!”
@@SonnyGTA I am?
This is a football player displaying a better and more articulated way of debating than a governor.
Horse hockey. You just like his view more. Maddox was right. The government has no business forcing a POV on anyone. I'm sure that goes against your PC POV but you'll probably live to see why that was a very bad road to go down. Sooner or later your PC friends will try to force their views on everything on everyone and that includes you. Look around. The left is eating its own now. They will come after you eventually. Mao's Cultural Revolution is your example. Your parents don't think right - turn them in so they get murdered by the state. The road you endorse will destroy this country. And I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut they will find some reason to come after you.
@@shootr1303 lol
@@shootr1303 what on earth are you talking about. This whole rant because of a simple observation? You're obsessed man.
Shootr you're not particularly articulate so I'm not sure what was the exact message you're trying to convey. People like you have been expelling this drivel for decades. I will just assume you are trolling to gaslight, which is what the modern day internet has become If that's the case, bravo. However if you truly hold this position, from the little I could decipher from your incoherent ramblings you're a sad indictment of your education system
Shootr
@Shootr...So if maddox was correct, then why did he speak as though Mohammed Ali, was some form of a traitor because of what he believed in?
I agree that this government should not make you do what you don't want to do, however don't be a hypocrite and say " I like everyone, but I really don't like black people." That was Maddox.
The entire time I watched this... I couldn't stop thinking that the Governor was actually Dana Carvey dressed up doing one of his epic impersonations. 😆
Can I finish?🤣
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Well....he is and happens to be...a master of disguise! This is a mixture of his " Am I not turtley enough for your turtle club? " & The SNL character" Can I finish!? Can I finish!? " 👴🏻🐢 🤣🤣🤣
Yea, I see the similarities, LoL,
The governor has some of Dana's mannerism. But, does NOT represent Dana's beliefs.
REST IN PEACE TO AN ABSOLUTE LEGEND, ON AND OFF THE FIELD!!
That brother was smooth, cool, calm and collected...
Smoothest wife beater going.
Thomas Palmer 🤭
He loc
On mommas
Can only a black be a "brother" or does that include other people?
Cavett's show was really ahead of it's time. No cheeseball antics, or attempting to avert people's attention toward a commercial break when things got heated.
Actually that was more the norm in the 70's, the cheeseball/sensational crap came more from the 80s
I miss television like this
But that’s the thing, there were plenty of commercial breaks back then. They’ve just changed the content of the programs.
Unfortunately this kind of show disappeared almost completely after the 1970s. With all due respect this show was of its time, not ahead of its time.
How was that ahead of its time when the stuff you're talking about would only become more prevalent in later years. Sounds like the exact opposite of ''ahead of its time''.
“What about us” is a mindset a lot of people still have and it causes them to overlook the problem we’re trying to discuss.
Yes! And what is always missed is that when the minority issues are addressed, the majority issues will be more clear but it's hard to get the homeless to care about water cooler politics while they hunger. Feed them and then bring to the fore your dillemas.
Big facts
That’s exactly what it does. And that’s exactly why they do it.
Who says it’s a problem to begin with? You?
Trying to reason with an unreasonable person is like doing psychotherapy with a drunk patient. Can't be done.
I don't like to correct you there because I do like the point you're making but when someone is under the influence is actually when the real issues they have arise
Mr. Brown is one cool dude. He kept the conversation so civil and stayed so calm.
Yes he does,JimBrown is a great man. The other dude is out of his mind..
@@clembuck6006 How so?
Yep and look at how Maddox does NOT keep the conversation civil and calm: th-cam.com/video/7-8WNL5bspg/w-d-xo.html
True that
How's that? Did you hear the end? He was not being civil in the end of the tape.
The problem with small minded people is that their mouth is always open.
And unmasked!
Lolll😁👏🏿
Just an FYI Jim Brown supports Trump ....
@@Hermetic_Truths I guess no one's perfect :-/. I don't really understand why black americans support Donald Trump.
Right. It's pretty hard for someone to broaden their horizons if the only opinion they ever give consideration to is their own. Years ago, when I was apprenticing to learn a trade (welding), I worked with a lot of older, experienced tradesmen. I found I always learned the most when I kept my eyes and ears open, and my mouth shut.
Amazed at Jim Brown's patience and calm!
Jim Brown was a man meant for more things than football, which is amazing because he was one of the greatest
Who else felt annoyed when Jim Brown was constantly interrupted
Me
That is the tactic...keep talking, talk over, interrupt, shout down. Deflect, defy, deny....
Jim Brown showed INCREDIBLE class AND restraint. He held himself back when it seemed obvious that he wanted soooooo badly to break that racist jawjacking jackass' jaw. Any body else here that wanted to just grab chicken mouth by the collar and repeatedly slap the vocabulary from his ignorant ass?.....and this was over 40 years ago.
@@Nupesohard ?
metaldad1967 I’m agreeing with you.
People nowadays will say “why would you give [this person] a platform?”
There’s no better argument against a corrupt person than exposing them.
he actually owned Jim Brown. ALL PEOPLE MATTER. Jim wanted to focus on black people.
Well, the problem is that back then those blatant statements ought to have the effect you describe much because the way discourse was structured was heavily influenced by where those people were from. So the retoric Maddox uses was effective on certain regions but couldn't stand a chance on the centers of discourse of the time. The far right speakers of today are way more prepared in the art of dressing their arguments as reasonable even on a aesthetic level even because of the progress of mass media so the far-right is way more aware of the retoric employed by their counterparts therefore far more able to hide hideous intents on politeness and skillfull debate. If you look at the way Ben Shapiro or someone (not so relevant right now) Milos Greeksurname frames the conversation you can see the way they bend the argument their way. Anything can sound reasonable if well spoken.
Also there's guys like the one that commented before me.
@@matthewalkman3735 Genuine question, not trying to start an argument: Are you also in agreement that segregation should still exist? Given that he was a proponent of segregation, which explicitly separates individuals based on ethnic and cultural backgrounds, I found it odd that Maddox would be opposed to a black man talking about the condition of black people in his country. Why would you be a proponent separating people based on specific characteristics, but then objecting to speaking about their unique needs given a sociopolitical landscape that has treated them differently for hundreds of years on those exact same characteristics?
Christian Alexander the Great blacks will always ‘get the platform’ because whites don’t want to be labeled as ‘racists’
Matthew Alkman 100%! OWNED him. Hard. That’s why Jim Brown had to act black and pretend to be a tough guy. Maddox didn’t fucking flinch.
Perfect clip to be watching today. Jim Brown should have been the NFL player to run for office in Georgia instead of the embarrassment we see today! Patience and intelligence on display.
Lester Maddox is a legend. so much truth
@@omalone1169 completely ignorant
In some ways, so little has changed in this country...we'll see where we are in another 50 years...if we're even here.
It’s ashame because things have never been more equal and fair. But the conversation has never been more poisoned and toxic. It’s a matter of intellect and composure. Both are severely lacking in todays’ conversations
warnock is an embarrassment,being for abortion of black babies right up to birth,also since "winning" in jan 201,he became a millionaire before end of 2022,odd to hate walker and call him names because he talks slow and ironic speaks with references to the Bible and ignorant people call that dumb while voting for a fake preacher who even still takes over 7 thousand a month from his church, he should take nothing from his church maybe donate the 7ooo thousand like trump donated his salary,im sure you hate him also,
RIP, Cleveland Browns legend Jim Brown. This is my favorite highlight of his 💯
I aspire to have Jim’s patience and calmness in life like he had in this interview.
You have to prepare yourself in advance and learn how detach your emotions. Scream in a room afterward! Lol
His patience ? He was agitated & he was threatening the Governor, because he didn't agree with him about the Truthful facts the Governor was stating.
Jim is a notorious wife beater who refused counseling for domestic abuse. You should aim higher in your aspiration.
Thomas Palmer. Did I say “in his life “or “in this interview”? There is nothing wrong with rereading a sentence.
@@Amb63 who cares; he wasn't even calm in this interview. Referring to his "reputation" was just a way of threating an old man. Again, you should aim higher.
“Heated interview”...that’s a stretch. The governor was the only one who seemed a little heated. Jim and Dick were cool as cucumbers.
Jarod Lewis You have to fight with your mind! We will fight with our mind and win with our heart. Tara
nothing wrong with being heated, there is a lot at stake and people's lives are a serious thing.
The gov. kept interrupting and wouldn't let Jim finish any of his statements!
@DankBurrito lol people, like yourself, really believe such revisionist bullshit. 😂🤣🤣🤣
@DankBurrito No, desegration was telling black people that people aren't allowed to be discriminated them when applying to a job, work, housing, and benefits because of their skin. And if they were discriminated that they now had the government on their side to help them out
it's embarrassing how not far we've come
And Trump made it public how these people want to turn it back.
What a dumb statement
@@Deuteromislol what?
If anything American has completely overcorrected with acts such as affirmative action, dei, esg, blm and black history month.
@@Stinkybelal You ask me what when you made a dumb statement about America overcorrecting? Dafq you smoking?
Its amazing that they could even have this conversation on TV back then.
Nowadays the governor wouldnt be allowed on social media and would be censored
And even a guy like Jim Brown nowadays has been attacked and censored because hes a Trump supporter.
Jim Brown was stupid.
Oh, of course, there's been such a great improvement since then < sarcasm > -- you know, The Witches' Brew -- er, I mean, The View < double sarcasm >.
I really wish I could have heard Jim finish his argument without being interrupted by Lester.
Which interruption?🤔 There were many
and that's exactly why Lester interrupted.
Michael A
What?
adamtzsch Lester didn’t want Jim to be heard
He talks at people, not with them
I wish we had unfiltered talk shows like this today.
6AMER SAM podcast
@@karlcountry2363 True. But it isnt the same a prime time show being aired in every American home.
This is reality
That would be nice! So ppl can feel comfortable in having these conversations! We need change! Truth hurts but these conversations need to be had!
Karlcountry ! Yeah but not all ppl listen to podcast this needs to be a tv program type of discussion!
Lester Maddox is proof that Karen's have always been around.
Facts!
why is he wrong? if white people are evil and oppressive as many black activists claim, why integrate?
Karen's Fathers
You're just mad he was talking circles around you boy
Comment that should be pinned ten thousand times!
Jim Brown was in the Army reserves as a second lieutenant and finished his service while playing in the NFL. He could've been called up to serve abroad at any time, luckily he wasn't.
Lester Maddox didn't serve a day in his life, yet he feels that he can speak on military issues more than Jim Brown can.
Not surprised. This is the Souths legacy. Its sad that it still goes on today and that there's still animals that will defend and repeat maddoxs rhetoric.
@@revolverocelot1380 they turned back Roe v Wade, ijs
@@aarondigby9859 I know. But if you're against abortion shouldn't you try to make society easier for kids that are born into bad conditions? Conservatives do little of that, if any.
That’s because he still believed he was superior. He was offended every time Jim tried to speak about about his experience
@@revolverocelot1380 Conservatives do way better than the liberals they do nothing.
Dick just stood back and let this realness happen. That's what a good host does. Most hosts today would find a way to shoehorn their way in to make it about themselves.
Yep. One of the rules in journalism is to let the game come to you!! No need to barge in or change topic
Great comment. GREAT comment. So true.
JRE is good at this
In today's world the fucken old white, and now dead shit would be destroyed. Jim Brown was just too much of a gentleman, unlike that fucken clown.
Vin Scully could do the same thing for a baseball game. While most sports announcers go for the iconic call that they will be remembered for, Mr Scully allowed fans to enjoy the purity of the game and the crowd and that's why he will always be remembered.
A master class in how you deal with your enemy from across the table.
To think Lester Maddox was a governor let's you know about this government
We wish he still was
@@georgeflorence7327 who is 'we'"? Inbreds as a ccommunity?
@@diego2fuego869 if you are talking then yes inbreds. When I'm talking it means the normal working class
@@georgeflorence7327 Who tf is we??
@@georgeflorence7327 now George. Just because your old lady is getting her insides torn apart by Mandingo, you don't have to say that.
The way Jim Brown ever so smoothly took jabs at Governor is nothing short of ear candy. “As you see fit” 🔥 🔥 🔥
How is begging smooth?I? 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@user-ix8gm5rs3y point out the begging for us please? What exactly was being begged for?
@@DLloyd-bb4wk begging for acceptance by w'ite people, for integration, for respect and that dude wouldn't give him none.
@@user-ix8gm5rs3y the “begging” for those things did not take place in this clip. What did take place in this clip along with the second part was Jim Brown remaining calm and poised while attempting a conversation with a racist man.
@@DLloyd-bb4wk The conversation was about segregation, the w'ite man wanted to keep it and Jim was begging about how we should be together. The w'ite man was right, integration was very harmful to us. Stop trying to love your oppressor.
Jim Brown is a VERY smart and wise man. I'm an instant fan of him watching this interview.
Definitely. I cant wait to.watch him play.next season. I cannot believe in 2019 this Georgia Governor is still that racist
@@stevetoth7136 How is it shocking?
Steve Toth this is 1970
and Its Lester Maddox a
Democrat and Georgia Governor at the tine.
Republicans love to point their fingers at others instead of owning up to something
Being a Brit im not familiar with Jim Brown but I have to admire his composure and smarts .
Salute to Brother Jim Brown, May He Rest In Peace and Power
You’ll never see these types of conversations on tv anymore.
Good thing. That governor is a real idiot. It's Very Good thing we aren't talking about segregation today.
@David Gwin you can't even type a coherent sentence...yet you want to have conversations that shape our society. Educate yourself first.
@@dalemsilas8425 I think this comment may have gone over your head. The type of conversation they're having should be valued, for it is two individuals who are sitting down, and civily and politely having a respectful back and fourth conversation, involving listening, turn taking, and calm tones. No slander, no name calling, no avoidance of a conversation topic being had. Just two people sitting down, tryna have a conversation, figure things out and what eachother are thinking, and potentially come to agreements and disagreements, and try to further eachothers understandings and perspectives of the world around them, and how to solve lifes many problems.
They’re illegal😉
@@PC.NickRowan : what are you saying? For this to be a conversation, you'd have to bring forth an idea. I'm Not going to listen to people to think segregationists should have voices.
I repeat the governor was an idiot.
"As you see fit." Nailed it.
Exactly
My fav part
Not so.
Meanwhile, the constitution guarantees separation of church and state. Why is the governor answerable also to the church in shaping morals in government
Not really. Actually not at all you racists
Jim Brown is a terrific man, and an intelligent inspiration for others. What he did in 1964 is a model in how to handle a "plantation operation" like the NFL, and being the best player, and face of the league he gave a grand F-you to the league. Jim was on the movie set of "The Dirty Dozen" in Europe. The team, the Cleveland Browns, threatened to fine him as it was time to come home, and practice. He then decided to retire this paraphrased quote,
"I'v decided to move on from football as I can make as much $$$$ acting as I can running the football, and it's much easier on the knees." Jim was only 29 at the time.
First time seeing Jim brown in this light made me proud to see him answer and rebutt this man's arguments in a intelligent and patient manner 👍👍 wow
I don´t mean to sound like a jerk but, just how many times have you heard Jim Brown speak? THIS is how he is, I love him with a ball or a microphone in his hand
Yes he speaks so well. Its shocking. Im not black so have the same stereotypes as u
Jim brown has the composure as well as the linguistic and argumentative grace of a true scholar.
Of a truly amateur scholar
@@rontungol3870 I can see how that could be interpreted as racist, but it's also rare to see anyone, of any type, so composed under those conditions in the media today.
@@rontungol3870 I'm sorry, I totally thought you were replying to Ben Skurbe's original comment, and saying it was racist to compliment a black man's linguistic skill (the same thing has been said of Obama). Sorry for the misunderstanding :)
@@rontungol3870 Brother man take my advice, not every fact you hear is true.. the only guide worth listening to is Jesus Christ and his disciples, proprietors of the one eternal truth. As it was in the beginning, it is now. It ever shall be as such. Forgive me of my sins against you, humbly do I implore.
Brown has more class in his pinky finger than Maddox ever tried to have in his entire lifetime. Maddox was out-classed 10 to 1 and knew it which is why he kept rudely running his fat mouth.
Maddox starts off in the very beginning saying that he believes segregation is about pride in one’s race but the minute Jim Brown focuses on black people and their issues, he quickly changes his stance to “all people.”
yup...dilute the issue...
metaldad1967 He said “all people,” and some people today say “all lives matter.” It’s all the same racist mindset
I agree with you. My comment was in reference to Maddox's tactic of dismissal of Jim Brown, disrespecting Jim Brown by constantly interrupting and talking over him and diluting the real issue by flipping his stance.
metaldad1967 Agreed 100%. What people don’t realize is that all of this STILL goes on today. America should be glad black people are only looking for equality and not revenge
@@louiehaha truth!👍That's all we ever wanted.
Is it just me or did I just watch 2 strong minded men come within about an inch of actually getting to the bottom of a problem years ago that we still have today when pride stepped in and made it impossible to proceed? I wanted to hear Jim Brown’s thoughts in regards to the particular predicament of black people and then I would like to have heard each man discuss how poor people and rich people of whatever background can make things better for everyone.
Was reading in the Jim Brown obituaries about how he met with Trump during his presidency despite people asking Jim Brown to boycott the President. And then I remembered this clip and realized that Jim Brown had dealt with far worse before, and that this clip was probably part of why he had a willingness to meet with Trump after all
High patience for bullshit.
Never heard the young Jim Brown speak before. What an impressive guy. A class act - and very bright.
Andrew I agree
Same! Current homework 🙌🏿🙌🏾🙌🏽🙌🙌🏻🙌🏼
Andrew He hates White people you ignorant white fool.
Andrew is this Jim Brown the football player?
@@AmirKhan-yv8jm yep.
Jesus Christ, the contrast between Lester's and Jim's patience hurts
@JESUS Loves you alot!! your vicarious redemption leads to acts of pure evil...committed under the banner of your perverse institution
@JESUS Loves you alot!! what if I say cheesus christ in front of my niece instead of jesus christ, and then do the cheeto dance flailing cheetos everywhere
@jet guy I'm doin it someday 😂
JESUS Loves you alot!! Jesus is a pervert like his followers
@@snorkey2462 yea there's a line and you crossed it lol, there's a difference between friendly banter and accusations
Many of the people that were watching this live are still alive today. This was just a few short decades ago. Just let that sink in. Jim Brown slayed here
From UK, my first encounter with Jim Brown, Hugely impressive man.
And to this day it remains true ;the person who has to raise their voice, over talk, and interrupt the other in a conversation, is the real powerless person.
Facts.
well said!
Disagree, raise your voice, but the first to shout loses
I had to turn down my volume he kept pushing his voice in random frequencies and it hurt my ears 🤣
Hmm that's often true.
The patience of Jim Brown throughout is beyond reproach
Lol yeah
With his body language hes really not that calm. his hands, he’s forcing his tongue between his cheeks you can see it and he’s looking up to the sky a lot that shows irritants
Hes intelligent he is trying to convey a message so he has to remain calm hes very strong to resist the temptation to be more aggressive
Well said
@@alisterx8698 So that makes him not calm?... He was confident, in the face of continuing interruption
Lester Maddox was literally arguing all lives matter
Right- more things change, more they stay the same.
People yelling that now feel they're justified- just like Maddox.
@@bwm_72 You are right but people will also use biases to project. What's happening with the '' BLM'' movement is a color revoltion. When it's group A are B it's about equality but when it's the opposite it's about demeaning the majority because the majority has most of the power even If individual voices make very little change. Prime exsample, Lester Maddox was a seperatist well so was Marcus Garvey but people like to pretend that things are going to get better when people refuse to acknowedge the need for seperate social classes. Bet hey what do I know? It used to be the norm you know like people actually understood that social class and intelligence relates. You can try arguing it but facts still remain that IQ, amongst different classes changes from race to race. The difference in case you don't know is Marcus Garvey was a black nationalist while obviously Lester is white.
And sounding like an idiot.
I wish all black people acted like Jim
Brown
No, he was not. That's an insult. Perhaps you believe that only black lives matter.
Lester Maddox was spot tf on! He had the foresight to see that some cultures just don’t mix! It’s not a matter of hate but a matter of fact!
I believe Jim Brown was trying his hardest to not knock that clown out.
Killing em with kindness knocking him out would do nothing but prove stereotypes the guy probably has in his head
@@Professional_street_hustler Jim Brown beat his wife. He's a stereotypical aggressive football player.
@@NotUrBiz intelligent too. You left that out..
@@NotUrBiz Not in this interview
@@NotUrBiz shoulda beat that governor's forehead in
Can I just say... I could listen to Jim Brown talk for hours cause his voice is so natural and calming. Maddox sounds like he's about to announce which horse is going to cross the finish line first, lol. It's like a relic of the past meeting the future.
Or a pig Race
WOW. THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT I KEPT THINKING THE ENTIRE VIDEO.
Jim brown is the man! I know he’s old but let’s get that guy into the Oval Office!! FYI speaking for the whites ..we don’t claim Maddox . We need to handle our own when they get outta line, like in prison
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@vachief not ashamed dummy its acknowledgement
RIP Jim Brown…great man
Sounds exactly like 2022! Change the clothes, names of the people, reference dates and you wouldn't know what year they were in.
Lol please. Exactly when did segregation come back? Pretty sad you can't acknowledge black and white relations have never been better.
That governor was infuriated that a black man had the nerve to talk back.
No he was mad that black man was smarter than him he would of loved it if it was a ugly argument
What did you watch?
When Jim talked about white people like obedient black people when they wasn't aware... Well Jim just proved his point and that racist governor had no room to talk at that point and that's where he lost it.
@Barbara Stamm incorrect. He said he follows the laws of God and state, which Jim pointed out , Whatever he felt. And he also mentioned about how segregation should be allowed.
Barbara Stamm no one needs to ask where you stand
You know somebody is pissed when they do random stuff like brush and pick non existent lint off their pants. 😂
Yeah, but it was stupid to retreat behind his physicality, and "reputation," just because he was frustrated in the argument. That was disappointing to see Brown lower himself. Lester Maddox, while rigid, was essentially making a solid conservative/libertarian argument that a rising tide lifts all boats. The dumb audience seemed to assume he was racist. The truth is that he rejects intersectional politics and its inherent soft bigotry. There was nothing radical about him except he was a few decades ahead of his time. He makes the kind of argument Thomas Sowell or Rand Paul make.
@@RobertJBarnes Clearly, Mr. Brown was appalled at what he was hearing. If Brown had expressed views of that nature, he would have been incarcerated. Conversely, after all his racist rhetoric and violence, Maddox was elected governor. You are presenting his racist views as those libertarians. Unreal!!!
@@nrcg2317 I challenge you to provide one quote, just one, of something Maddox said that was racist. Good fucking luck.
R J were you paying attention at all? Jim Brown has always fought for civil rights smh physicality had nothing to do with it. You missed the bus on that one.
Kenneth Webb crazy that doesn't fit into the "stereotype" of when black peoples get angry lol
RIP Jim Brown man of class & respect.
Unlike most Democrats today.
9:30 you can really feel the politicians anger bursting out
Jim Brown showing EVERYONE what calm, cool & collected is REALLY about! ✊🏾
I dunno about that. Doing some damage on those slacks for sure.
@@SupremeChimp 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Yup👌🏾, he surely showed what CCC is about. Based on that other “governor’s” behavior, I might have been short one or two C’s 🤣🤣🤣
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You'd never see a sitting governor engage in such an informal, honest debate today. Politicians are all so rehearsed and phony now.
No white people just had more liberty to say what they wanted back then. Plus he's from the South
@@rushpittsburgh4 to a degree yes. This literlly happened 15 years after segregation so im not surprised people still have the ideology throughout the 70s and 80s.
honest debate? did you really just say that? Lol. That was a bunch of strawman arguments and red herrings. That was the least honest "debate" I have ever seen and reminds me of virtually every Republican politician in America. They're con artists.
@@blackout07blue too many people mistake basic politeness for a valid, self-consistent ideology. There's a man on the bus who talks to himself, and he's unfailingly polite to the driver, but that doesn't mean he's right about the aliens monitoring his bowel movements.
Nah people were just more openly proud to be racist lol
Jim Brown was a very humble man! Way to hold your character with grace and dignity!
That governor sounds like a panicked frightened goose squawking.
This is bearly 50 years ago, unbelievable
@L. Dega Its still unbelievable
Andre Akerele I think you mean barely. And yes I know it’s sooooo unbelievable people used to have a opinion that offend you... I
@@comradecommissar311 Where in my post did I say I was offended, I'm still looking
@L. Dega You can still speak openly and freely, what's stopping you. Ohhhhhhh, that's right, it's called consequences
@L. Dega LMAOOOOO🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love Jim Brown. He's a cool dude. He kept his composure the whole time.
Yes he does. Why don't black men act like this anymore?
Jacob Defa they still do. You just don’t see it all the time
@@jakedefa5095, you aren't looking.
@@vincentfrusci7745, you do if you're looking.
We always do!!!
RIP to the GREAT Jim Brown.
His patience game is strong, I would've lost it
Jim Brown has a serious amount out class throughout this clip, his patience is amazing. Lester, on the other hand should’ve had his rabies shots.
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ROTFLMAO!!!
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Totally, i couldn't have put up with the hicks BS
This is 1970 wow. We haven't come that far really.
Yeah man. It's recent history
Sad but true.
Not at all
That's the thing. The governor in his head believes this is how the USA should be ran. Jim Brown on numerous occasions tried to tell him it is not equal in the USA, yet the governor didn't want to hear it. 2021, many white Americans don't believe the inequality is true, thankfully it's not the majority, but its enough that can swing an election.
50 years ago
Look at the reactions of the audience!! How time changes!! For good!
Great video
Jim was so poised and eloquent. As a black man (especially back then) you have to keep your cool when racists are spouting out b.s. It just takes one flash of anger before they use that against you. It is unfair, but true.
Agreed, but this goes for any race, sex, or creed. It’s a universal concept, that applies to everyone, it is not a black or white thing.
@@ooooa9046 stop with the "universal" crap; context is important here. Whites tended to view blacks as subordinate going back in time in the States, so that comment is entirely understandable. It amazes me whenever whites get triggered by someone not white talking about their experience of discrimination. Will you just listen?
@@corpgov how do you know the color of either the OP or that of the person that you're responding to.
As for the original post. Jim here is the quintessential example of what the face of any movement should be. He has the ability to remain calm and collected when faced with the opposition rather than breaking down into either anger or hysterics like so many people tend to do now.
@@ooooa9046 Context is needed before you spill a statement like this. Any outburst (God forbid a physical confrontation) by Jim Brown towards a governor, especially back when Jim Crow was still fresh in people's minds, wouldn't have ended well. The stakes were much higher back then than it would be today.
Especially as a black man? Is that not what you expect from every black man, to be eloquent and articulate? What a racist statement you just made. Especially back then? What do you even know about blacks back then or now?
Jim’s patience with that clown is incredible.
Dick Cavett was ok in my opinion.
I thought you would see a clown at a circus
Donald Lusk Muhammad Ali was the same. Always getting attacked by racists and he bought a calm intellect that made his racist attackers look even more stupid. I’m sure Mr. Brown was following his lead. Many people learned from the likes of Dr. King and Ali. It’s always fascinating to watch. It’s a masterful ...almost art form to converse in such a way as to let your foe knock them self out. The conversational rope a dope!
Donald Lusk you see using degrading berating names is the problem with today. These two argued and debated and it was mature and civil. I hope you see a little what I am mentioning after the “clown” statement.
Pity his patience wasn't that good when he beat his wife
In those days,true meaningful controversy was welcomed,not discouraged.
Lester Garfield Maddox Sr. (September 30, 1915 - June 25, 2003) was an American politician who served as the 75th governor of the U.S. state of Georgia from 1967 to 1971. A populist Southern Democrat, Maddox came to prominence as a staunch segregationist[1] when he refused to serve black customers in his Atlanta restaurant, the Pickrick, in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He later served as a lieutenant governor under Jimmy Carter.
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I love how Jim brown let the governor embarrass himself and get triggered in his own rant and he calmly and systematically picked his arguments apart.
arsenal0782 then while the governor is making emotional arguments along the lines of “I won’t force them to serve them, eat with them etc....the “low iq football player” cites actual law and made him look awful....
There’s something we could all learn from Jim here. I know I could. Patience and tranquility in the face of belligerence, disrespect and ignorance.
You must of watched a different video
"forced racial segregation is criminal and forced racial integration is criminal" what is wrong with that?
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the worst part is that i will be dying sooner than a lot of you fools, brainwashed and unable to think for themselves. i still hope to live for a bit, but i am not holding my breath about the way things will turn out
Jim Brown speaks cogently and with wit, he allows Maddox make himself look like the fool - very well played
Your lying, he had nothing logical to reply. Instead of generalising, tell me something Maddox said that you find issue with and...... The moral peacocking isn’t a form logical dialogue, in actual fact it’s ugly
Dean watt in his white feelings cause a black knows what he is talking about
@@jonathanfrederick6966 typical, still no logical rebuke, just ad hominem. You have issue with false power as you yearn for it. Strange, I ask you to make a logical point, your answer is to make it about colour. If your failing in life my friend, instead of blaming an entire race, take responsibility for yourself and judge a man by his character rather than the colour of his skin. Unless as I’ve already said your yearning for false power and want “white man”, to kiss your boots?
@Starboy with a big ploy416 nothing burns my butt. However, I try and correct error when I see it. So unless you have an intelligent rebuke, self explanatory.
@Starboy with a big ploy416 hahaha, you are a silly billy aren’t you? So again no actual rebuttal to the facts. Btw, I’m an English lower working class lad, born and bread in Newcastle upon Tyne. So any ideas of trust fund, is someone asking me to go to the shop with their lasts pennies for food. Still, I understand your prejudice, hopefully one day you can overcome your feminine nature, stop acting emotionally and think for yourself.
After years of listening to Randy Newman sing about Lester Maddox, this morning I have finally looked him up. It is remarkable and ridiculously entertaining to listen to him speak here. I admire how stoic Jim Brown is sitting right next to him. Did I understand Jim Brown to say he served in US military ? Peace to all
He was a part of the Army Reserve and was discharged as a captain
@@TheBINIBALL Thank you for the comment...
“As you see fit” was hard
He sounds like Dave Chapelle when he acts as a KKK member 😂😂😂
there’s a reason the voice exists 😂
Lmaoooo
Very good one lol
i mean he was kkk. it's known
He was a Democrat
The fact that people were applauding the points of Maddox stands out way more than anything else in this video
Not surprised. It's the same way now as it was back then. Look at how many people blindly follow Trump.
It was the stuff about serving for your country. All Americans are suckers for that stuff.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 yeah but there's a lot of Mexicans and blacks that support Trump too
@@isaacd35 I can guarantee you there were minorities back then who supported Maddox. This is what people usually call "Uncle Tom" etc...
Go and live in Africa and see how they treat you
"You know I have a reputation." -Jim Brown (That is not a threat, but a fact!)
Because he often assaulted and beat people ?
I moved to Atlanta from Ohio in 1979 and had never heard of Lester Maddox before - heard him on a radio program and couldn't believe what I was hearing.
"As governor do you follow the laws of god or the laws of the state"
"Both"
"As you see fit"
Damn, that was very impressive from Brown, he absolutely smashes this clown in a very, calm and methodical way... It's completely off the cuff as well.
Watched him pick that rock up, swing his sling and let it fly before he ever opened his mouth... Mental and physical giant!...
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Brown lived his life the same way , Maddox being a governor had the spotlight on him .
@@stevehardeman7209 thats right... Cause nobody was looking at Brown... 😂... Wtf world do you live on??
Jim Brown is a gentleman 100% pure class! You dont interrupt someone when speaking, loud, rude, obnoxious! Wont even give another man eye contact ...
Jim Brown is a woman beater. Go read his history before you make a stupid comment unless you are a wife beater too.
Your comment is stupid. IMHO
so by your own logic what does that make you???
d hart 😭😭😭 imagine commenting that.
LuckyLean after doing some research yes he’s right Jim brown is a violent person as they go
We would all be better off separate
My Father served in the Army with James Brown, I'm proud to say.
Jim Brown damn near rubbed a hole in his slacks to keep from hauling off on dude😂🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 i literally hollered with this comment
@@jeoffbarrat1101 Key words, WOULD HAVE been. Looks to me Jim knew it was no contest. Plus if you look at HIStory, is clear to see who doesn't like fighting fair smh
He was about to go Mars Attacks on his ass, Jim Brown is one of the baddest men in the history of the NFL.
I just kept looking at his hands the whole time. He was a great example of how to stay cool and reasonable despite one's emotions. Reason: he had facts.
@@jeoffbarrat1101 uh oh jeff your letting your racist beliefs show
JB was smooth and poised. This is the shining example of how a professional athletes should use their platform.
GTFOH!
@@angelawilliams479 What's the issue?
@@angelawilliams479 da fuq are you on about?
Jim Brown supported Ali not going to war. He also approved of kaepernick. But I suppose you know more about the guy you think knows what he's doing.
@@cemarz what are you going on about? You don't like the guy for supporting them?
Jim Brown was a great man. His kindness to Lester Maddox speaks volumes.
Repetitive moments with his leg and those light laughs makes me feel like Jim brown was trying his hardest to stay cool.
"I try to include ALL people." -Dude who became famous for not serving black customers at the restaurant he owned.
@Crazy Canuck sounds currently familiar
It was all an excuse to interrupt and refuse to listen. The same strategy of the right for far too long and it's time to point it out and not accept it.
ADamage 17 didn’t realize antifa was right wing and open to dialogue - news to me. 👎
@@stevenbuckner8864 hyuk hyuk hyuk. What a stupid joke. That was the stupidest childish shit I've ever read.
Antifa isn’t a racist bigoted group who demonizes Jews and immigrants and blacks.
That’s the alt right and trump supporters
Instead of owning up to you are a scumbag you are too coward to admit it