How to Install Fluidmaster's 7530 Better Than Wax Toilet Seal for a Mess-Free Toilet Installation
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Better Than Wax™ Toilet Seals take the mess and hassle out of toilet installation.
No wax, No mess
Can be Repositioned
Plunging Won’t Break Seal
Fits any flange, any toilet
No-rust brass bolts & hardware included
Seals on uneven floors or over tile floors with recessed flanges
10-Year Warranty
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Forget the sponge!
Use a shop vac with the filter removed to suck
the remaining water from the tank and bowl.
Great idea!
As I did
My existing flange was 1/4" below floor, but the instructions said to use the spacer, so I did. It was so high that I was afraid to tighten it down without cracking the bowl, so I left it sit a couple of days, and sat on it a few times to add weight. It eventually compressed almost to the floor, and I was able to tighten it the rest of the way. I'd recommend sitting the spacer in the sun or on top of your water heater first so it will compress more easily.
I’m in the same boat and NO ONE but you said anything about this?!
Unfortunately I don’t have a whole lot of time to wait so I’m going to compress, wait a few, compress more, wait and then hopefully I’m good?!
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Here is the answer to the problem: I had 3 failed attempts all resulting in leaks. Then I got smart and put the blue seal on the toilet first (because it is a snug fit around the hole in on the bottom ) and lifted the toilet onto the spacer and the screws. It fit like a hand in a glove and you can actually move the toilet and feel that your aligned. I think Fluidmaster should mention this because it would save a lot of frustration. I think it's a good product but once again "operator error"prevails. Once again thinking out of the box saved me.
David Schilstra Thanks. Installed yesterday and i have a slow leak. Ill try this
It's been 5 months now. Did trying David's fix stop the slow leak you mentioned? I'm curious to know, and I think others would find it helpful, too.
Please share your results with us...
followed your tip first install and was perfect....thanks for the tip
I will have to give this a try. The blue ring is smaller than the hole in the bottom of a knee American Standard toilet. When I installed the toilet per instructions the toilet say 3/4" above the floor and I couldn't even stack shims high enough to solve the problem. My flange is level to the floor and as much as 1/8" above the floor.
Hey I was about to install,n was thinking about the alignment to the hole! How I gonna know? If I'm carrying the toilet! Thank You for saving me🤙🏼🤙🏼
Extra tip, when you use the lid from a 27 gallon storage tote from home depot it really makes a nice Pan to set the toilet into right after you pull it off the sides are only about 1.5" tall
I completed installation of the kit. The spacer was too tall so I used a knife to trim half of the foam off of the spacer. I reinstalled it and it works great. No more leaking.
I think you left out some important information: what does the junction of the blue thing and the toilet horn ACTUALLY look like??
I would have liked to see you do a dry fit of the BLUE part on to the toilet horn to give us an idea what the fit looks like. I thought that the idea was for the toilet horn to fit down INTO the blue thing, maybe deforming the inner part downward, and for the outer circumference of the blue ring to fit up against the bottom of the toilet around the horn.
When I did the test fit on my toilet I found that the edge of the horn of my new toilet contacts the top of the blue ring, but would not fit inside down into the diameter of the blue ring. There was no way to manipulate the blue thing to get the blue thing to be any higher up the toilet horn. If it was a smaller diameter tapered horn it would work, but I didn't feel like grinding the horn on toilet (!!).
Should the toilet horn fit down inside of the blue thing's tube?
Should the blue thing's outer diameter sit up against the toilet bottom like a wax ring does??
Do you make these in different sizes (because not all flange openings are the same diameter, and not all toilet horns are the same size or shape (crazy, right)?
As mentioned above the spacer was also to tall for my toilet. I had to trim the spacer to avoid the toilet from rocking due to the extra height. Helps this helps.
Just installed this on my toilet. easy to install. it took longer to remove the old wax and rust. Also, BE SURE TO MAKE SURE YOUR FLANGE IS IN GOOD CONDITION!
I bought this because we have to plunge about once every month or so because our toilets have lower flush volumes and they tend to get stopped up. I didn't know if the flange was high or low or even until I took off the toilet. Our flange is even to the floor and the spacer caused it to be too high so I used this without the spacer. There were no problems after installing it but I just installed it today and I will check for leaks periodically to make sure it is a good seal. I sure hope it works because it makes sense to have a more permanent seal than wax.
I did have one complaint - the washers need to be a size bigger as it kept going down in the toilet's slit so I had to use the old washers. It wasn't that much of a problem but I believe larger washers are needed in that kit.
From personal experience, I can say this product does not seem to work with Aqua Source toilets. I lifted the toilet three times after fitting the product, but each time I tried to get it to sit properly I found there was a lot of water leaking from under the toilet pedestal once I had reinstalled the toilet. Sadly I had to go back to the old system and fit a new wax ring.
Just installed it! Easy. Thanks for the very easy to follow video. Just saved about $400 (no plumber). The wife was not expecting a good result! Lol. Perfect results. Thanks guys
$400 plumbers do this for $150
@@nitrocell9287h lives in California I think
Used your product for my parents' toilet and it was easy work. The rubber gasket is the magic. Also, I used the included hardware for an A+ finish. Superb kit.
I just did this install and was replacing a wax seal that failed after only 1 year. Install was smooth and I appreciated the little white plastic screw holders which kept the screws pointing straight up instead of flopping all around as I tried to place the toilet back. I did not put the seal on the toilet first as some others mentioned. I figured that having the seal lined up with the bolt holes and then placing the toilet lined up in those same bolt holes is going to get everything properly aligned. Seems to have worked great. No issues with leaking. The floor hole was right at the level of the surrounding floor. I used the blue seal only and did not use the spacer. If I start getting any leaks, I'll be sure to come back here and comment, but so far, so good. Nice to switch away from the messy, one shot, wax seals. If I need to do another wax seal replacement on my other two toilets, I'll be switching to this.
Sounds like it was installed wrong, any seal will fail if installed improperly.
@@elifire4147 No shit, Sherlock. The point being, a failed wax seal means you have to buy another one, clean off the old, and reinstall again and hope you get it right. This other type of seal is much more forgiving.
@@richarda3764 literally no [more] shit sherlock... am i right?
How has it held up? Need to replace a ring on a toilet and was looking at different options. Thanks.
Bought this to replace after swapping out a broken flange on my toilet. Works like a charm and no leaks!
I installed this product on a flange that was even with the floor. I did not add the spacer (the instructions said to add the spacer), and I had no problems. It worked perfectly the first time.
Adding the spacer would put the toilet too far above the floor.
i had the same problem
put it together without the spacer[flange even w. floor]. seems fine w bowl touching the floor. With the spacer you could fit a finger between the bowl and the floor. i was afraid to tighten the jonny bolts that tight. so far no leaks but not really happy w. wacky instructions. any body use the spacer [with a flange even with floor ]and sock it down to eliminate the large gap, let us know how it worked.
@@billhynes6712 ya when i installed w/ the spacer, there was probably a good 4-5mms of space b/t the entire bottom of toilet bowl and the ground--glad to see someone else has experimented before i was going to =P.
(altho i do wonder if the intake pipe became clogged and water backed up to the toilet. . .would the blue seal still hold?)
Same issue with me, house was built in the 80s and the soacer seemed unnecessary
When you compare the thickness of the old WAX ring with the new flange they are about the same. Plus the funnel part goes lower into the hole for a guaranteed seal. Compare the wax thickness before you toss it and see. Larry Anderson
This product worked for me. My flange is a 1/8 inch above the floor on a concrete slab with a cast iron pipe. The spacer was not needed. Installed 3 months ago after a bathroom renovation.
Time will tell with this. I do have a wax ring on standby if this product fails though.
Before installing this product I did a test fit on the bottom of the toilet to make sure it fit well on the horn of my toilet and it did.
Toilet sits flush to the floor no rocking and no leaks.
I put this on a flange that was on top of the finished floor (the first given scenario). With no spacer, the ring still made the toilet sit too high. I couldn’t tighten it down to where it wouldn’t rock. I’ll be using a standard wax ring instead.
A tip from Fluidmaster that may provide a solution for this issue. In cases where the flange is above the floor or your toilet has a shallow gap it may be better to build up the floor using toilet base plates or shim the toilet rather than using wax. By adding height around the flange this will allow for a proper sealing bead around the ceramic and floor flange which will not break the seal during normal use or plunging of the toilet. Wax will spread but it may spread so thin that the sealing bead around the floor flange will break during normal use or plunging. For additional information or help with your product contact Fluidmaster’s Technical Service Department as we are available Monday through Friday from 5:30 AM through 5:00 PM Pacific Standard Time. Contact options include: Chat www.fluidmaster.com/support E-Mail techsupport@fluidmaster.com and Toll Free 800-631-2011.
He should have said not to tighten nuts too tight . The base can easily crack. Also, alternate tightening a little on each side at a time.
My flange was below the surface of my tile, didn't feel comfortable using a tall wax ring. tried this today using the spacer. works like a charm so far. Thank you fluid master.
That's common sense
Thanks for letting me know that the spacer could be omitted
Just bought the newer version of this. It comes with a "compression" pad attached to the blue gasket that you can not take off. It also came with a separate spacer. My flange was 1/4 - 1/2 inch above the floor. I did not use the extra spacer. The bottom of my toilet is not flush with the ground. About 1/2 inch gap between the floor and bottom of toilet. Wasted money and now going to have to redo.
Love this product!!! Much better than wax if you have an old house where some minor movement is inevitable, the rubber flexes and maintains a seal unlike the wax!
I installed my toilet about a year and a half ago, using a wax ring, fir the 1st time ever I didn't have a flange on it so to home depot I go and I purchased a fluid master & a flange, I installed it 3 day's ago so far so good. No leaks or gaps. It was much easier & less messy than the wax. Thanks
my flange was about 1/2 inch below floor and it worked just fine...I liked how clean the install was too
Did you use 1 or 2 stack seals? Mine also was at 1/2 in. I tried 2 but didnt work and than I use just 1 seal and it fit just fine. I haven't seen any leaks.
@@stephenmarkham1082 I think I used only one, but it was 2 years ago. Seal still good.
I've used these before when installing a toilet. But this time, the toilet drain was too small...the Better Than Wax opening was about an inch larger than the toilet drain, making it unusable. Had to use the wax seal, which I hate. I wish these came in different sizes.
I just installed an American Standard “Edgemere” toilet using the Fluidmaster universal “Better than wax” seal.
It worked brilliantly, and was a very easy install on my surface mount closet flange.
Two observations: one, use the closet bolts that come with the toilet, not the Fluidmaster supplied bolts, unless you see an obvious deficiency with the bolts that came with the toilet; two (assuming no spacer is needed for the install) mount the blue seal directly to the toilet, like you would mount a wax ring, just be sure the ears with the bolt holes align with the bolt holes in the toilet (this ensures the blue seal is correctly surrounding the toilet discharge-if you try to do as shown in the video it’s waaaay too easy to get a little pucker in the blue seal, which will prevent sealing and possibly keep the toilet from properly meeting the floor).
Worked great for me. My flange was about 3/8 of an inch below the new floor. After installing the spacer and the seal on the flange and setting the toilet in place, the toilet would not sit on the floor and was rocking bad. Pushing the toilet down by hand did not compress the spacer. I was not optimistic, but went ahead and threaded the 2 nuts. Well what do you know!! The spacer compressed and the toilet sits level to the floor. Was full of worry, but it ended up being easy peasy.
I had the same problem and concern but decided to trust the instructions - as you start tightening the ring compresses and everything works out. Trust the video and use the spacer if your flange is level or slightly below floor.
Is your toilet still working fine, I went thru the same Problem 😔
Me too, but only 1/4" below floor, but the instructions said to use the spacer, so I did. It was so high that I was afraid to tighten it down, so I left it sit a couple of days, and sat on it a few times to add weight. It eventually compressed almost to the floor, and I was able to tighten it the rest of the way. I'd recommend sitting the spacer in the sun or on top of your water heater first to make it more easily compressed.
Awesome instructional video. Why can’t every product have this. 😮
I have a 3" flange hole and this seal is the same size and will not fit inside the hole.Well back to the wax gasket that fits and works for less than 5 bucks!
they even put above floor flange instructions, I was doubtful about this from the beginning and it proved me right..it sucks don't waste your money especially if you have an above floor flange with a customer over your shoulder and their living space happens to be under the toilet...thanks fluid master
Thanks a bunch for your video! I followed your instructions and I was able to do it without any issues. I loved that is mess free and easier than using the wax ring.
Because my flange is approximately 5/8 up on one side the seal does not give away to allow the toilet to come down the wax in this case worked better I'm sure it's not longer but better I wish I could have used your product
Thank you for posting this video. The plumber was going to be several days, I found your product and with these instructions I was able to install it quickly and easily.
Just bought this and wanted to see reviews before I tried it. Thank you for the video, and thank you for all the comments that came in.
Never even seen the underside of the toilet before and this really is just that simple. Excellent, folks! It took less time to get this installed, including swapping out the flange bolts, than it took to clean up/remove the old seal.
Tightening the base bolts while sitting on the toilet is not helpful or necessary with silicon toilet seals? This is a well lit and clearly presented video, it should be referenced in product packaging.
Just got off of a chat with their customer support. Explained situation (toilet not sitting flush with floor due to flange above floor when using this seal). Rep told me there are two solutions: 1. shim 2. buy wax. There you have it, from Fluidmaster, this product will not work with flanges set on top of floor. Don't listen to what it says on the box/instructions. Do not buy if you have flange on floor unless you want to shim your toilet level.
This is exactly the issue I am having. I think I will have to use wax. Glad I read this. Thank you!
Thank you!!!! I'm sitting here pulling my hair out!!! 😣😭
Well did you notice that even though he said it will work if the flange is above the floor he only displayed examples if it’s even or below the floor
So true. Replaced entire flange to try and get this to work, and it wobbled terribly. Tried every way possible. Used wax ring, perfect fit the first time. #junk
I've had great results 3/3 times. I'd rather replace some of the subfloor than use wax.
Just finished installing it. Only bad part was cleaning off the very old and very black wax. Eww. The toilet is an old very heavy one but
I was able to get it off & back on by myself. Now no more leaks! Very happy with the result.
why is it making my toilet sit so high. I have an above ground and I'm not using the spacer and the toilet is about an inch off of the floor.
The drain opening was almost even with the finished flooring. According to the instructions, I was supposed to use the spacer. This was totally incorrect. When I did, the toilet was raised so high it wobbled terribly. Without the spacer, if fit fine with no leaks. Now I am using an elongated toilet so I don't know if that makes any difference.
Thank you for your comments. The reason Fluidmaster suggests using the spacer first on flanges even or slightly below the floor is because some toilets may have a different recess under the toilet bowl. We have found that most toilets will have a 1/2 inch recess to allow the toilet bowl wax and non-wax products to fit, however, toilet manufactures can make the recess deeper. Fluidmaster suggests trying the spacer first to ensure a proper fit, if it does not then remover the spacer and use the non-wax gasket by itself. For additional questions on this Fluidmaster product contact us at your earliest convenience. Fluidmaster’s Technical Service Department is available Monday through Friday from 5:30 AM through 5:00 PM Pacific Standard Time. Contact options include: Chat www.fluidmaster.com/support E-Mail techsupport@fluidmaster.com and Toll Free 800-631-2011.
What I read if it’s almost even then no need for the extra spacer
I did everything he said to do. My flange was even with the ground so I did not use the spacer. I put the toilet back on and tighter the nuts and tighter as I could. Til the washer on top was bending down. Still kind of wobbly and leaking.
In cases where the toilet rocks you may need to shim the toilet to stabilize the base to the floor. If the gap is “so” high that a shim does not stabilize the toilet then using a toilet base plate to build up the floor is a good alternative. By adding height around the flange this will allow for a proper sealing bead around the ceramic and floor flange which will not break the seal during normal use or plunging of the toilet. Be careful in using wax, wax will spread allowing the base to reach the floor, however, the wax may spread so thin that the sealing bead around the floor flange will break during normal use or plunging. For additional information or help with your product contact Fluidmaster’s Technical Service Department as we are available Monday through Friday from 5:30 AM through 5:00 PM Pacific Standard Time. Contact options include: Chat www.fluidmaster.com/support E-Mail techsupport@fluidmaster.com and Toll Free 800-631-2011.
Just installed this product very easy install only recommendation is get 2 11mm nuts and use over plastic washers to secure bolts to pipe flange. Then the bolts will be more secure and toilet placement will be much easier. Never going to use a wax ring again!
This product saved a never-ending leak from a gap on a wax seal. I had a slightly wobbly toilet, the wax seals would "set" a gap every time my toilet would rock. This product completely ended water leaks from the base; the Fluidmaster Seal would simple expand and contract with every wobble - as its rubber. Problem fixed -- not more leaks from wax-seal leaving a gap on a wobbly toilet ! :-)
Four years late, but whatever - shim that toilet!
5 years late, your toilet would’ve never rocked if it was shimmed and then set in wax. But what do I know? I just do this for living lol
I wouldn't be disturbed about needing spacers on the flange or raising the toilet because proper compression is required wether wax or rubber. No product makes everyone happy, I don't like wax seals so I'm trying this. 👩🔧
Edit: no matter what I've got to do I have to make this work because the family washes the dogs in the tub next to the toilet and they bump into it cracking the wax seal - that's the reason.
This will not work on every toilet flange depending on height. But the solution for me was I had to cut the spacer foam in half with a utility knife. And then it sit flush with the floor. If they are going there sell this product they need to include another spacer that is half the size of the one they currently have.
I've seen this kind of comment before with regard to this product, and, yes, if there are situations where a half-height spacer is required, then the manufacturers should include it with the kit, or mention in the instructions that you might need one. I looked on the Fluidmaster website, and there's not even a FAQ section about installing this product, which is really bad.
That's a great idea. You should contact Fluidmaster and suggest it to them.
I agree about needing a half size spacer. Not so much cutting it in half yourself. Impossible to get it even enough, so I'm afraid it might not make a good enough seal. But this was my first instinct, also, so hope it worked for you.
@@keithp6689 Fluidmaster needs to address these issues!
Unfortunately, this didn't work for us. Our flange is 1/4 inch above the floor. We tried the seal, without the spacer, and the toilet rocked considerably. I didn't want to use shims since it looks very makeshift. We returned the unit to Home Depot, and went with the wax seal method. It's not too bad if you apply a little jury-rigging in the installation.
My wax ring failed despite being replaced only a couple years ago. Felt a little wobble on the toilet one day and then the toilet started leaking into my kitchen.
In the products defense, the spacer is nearly a half inch, and my flange sits just barely below the flooring. I put in spacer and the toilet was approximately 1/4" from floor. After I sat on the toilet and tightened the bolts, it sat flush and the nuts were still loose on the bolt. Tightened the nuts snugly to bolt and toilet is flush no problem. I think when you first install, the silicone or whatever material has not been compressed/stressed yet.
If your toilet seems to sit a little high before tightening I suggest sitting on toilet and tightening it anyways, this product worked really well for me. Definitely saved me 300-400$. I would buy this product again in a heartbeat.
I would really recommend following manufacturers installation process, and even if the toilet seems loose before tightening the nuts and bolts, sit on the toilet and try it anyways. Mine worked really well and my toilet sits flush to the tile despite initially sitting proud about 1/4 inch.
How come your wax ring doesn't have poop all over it like the ones I get to deal with? :)
Does the seal meet building/plumbing codes? Thank you
Doesn't that depend on the state in which the individual lives? Building and plumbing codes are slightly different from one area to another; although most of the obvious concerns would be common among them. For example, 115 v. and 240 v. (commonly referred to as "110 and 220") are the national standard for electricity and corrosion-proof or corrosion-resistant water pipes are the national (maybe universal) standard for plumbing.
I have the kind where it sits above the floor. Putting the same toilet back on with this product and tightened until the washers were bending. However the toilet was still really wobbly. Took it back off and checked and couldn’t see any sign that it was misaligned. Any tips?
In cases where the flange is above the floor or your toilet has a shallow gap it may be better to build up the floor using toilet base plates or shim the toilet rather than using wax. By adding height around the flange this will allow for a proper sealing bead around the ceramic and floor flange which will not break the seal during normal use or plunging of the toilet. Wax will spread but it may spread so thin that the sealing bead around the floor flange will break during normal use or plunging. Call us at 800-631-2011 for any help.
ABOVE FLOOR FLANGE SOLUTION THAT WORKED FOR ME: remove the cushion within the actual rubber seal (i'm not talking about the optional cushion they give you for below floor flange, i'm talking about the one within the rubber product). just put on the rubber on the above floor flange and it'll flush seal good, also you may want to put the plastic holders for the screws ABOVE the rubber once you have put the rubber on the bolts, installed approx 30 mins ago, did 5 test flushes so far and no leaks. good luck to all.
This is what worked for me, thank you. Taking out the black cushion that comes preinstalled in the blue gasket is what made our above tile flange make a better connection to the toilet
@TPP27 Thanks for the solution. My flange is above the floor. I was about to give up and get a wax seal until i saw your comment. I'm 10 flushes in and no leaks!
Thank you. I'm gonna try this
I just went with the wax. Couldn't get it to sit right
Worked perfectly. Hope it doesn't leak.
We just spent a few thousand dollars replacing our sewer line so I guess I'll save a little more money and put a new toilet in place of one that had to be removed. Look like a good product to use since breaking the wax seal is possible.
Leaked for my kohler toilet 😒 and the toilet was rocking too. So the plumber installed a wax ring and everything was fine no leaks no rocks
Andoy33 I just installed a Kohler toilet using the Fluidmaster seal and it worked perfectly. From your description it sounds like you used the spacer incorrectly.
John Early ah I see thanks for the advice ! Also is your toilet the ready lock technology model ?
Andoy33 Kohler Cimmaron, but I think the same advice applies to the ReadyLock models; put the FluidMaster blue ring on ReadyLock fitting (if the closet flange is on or above the floor) and secure it. Once the toilet is lowered onto the ReadyLock fitting it can be leveled with shims, there is a good bit of play in the seal where it meets the toilet.
John Early thanks I will keep that in mind next time I install a new toilet
Mine was exactly 1/4 inch bellow floor. I used spacer the toilet was a bit high at first. Once a cranked down the bolts it sat flush.
Tip: If you have an electric leaf blower, before you remove the bowl, stick the blower nozzle in the bottom of the bowl and turn on the blower. Put a towel in the bowl to avoid getting sprayed. Any remaining water in the toilet is blown into the main drain in a few seconds.
This product will not work if the flange is sitting above the floor. The seal is too thick (high) and the toilet will not lower to the ground.
You want your toilet all the way to the ground? We prefer ours on the floor.
@@davidhigginbotham5451 lol congrats on one of the lamest youtube comments i've read.
@@oopalonga you liked it. come on...
@@davidhigginbotham5451 this one was better ; )
Jus needed to put a spacer under the front of the toilet and it'll level out, I actually used a couple beer caps and it worked jus fine, no leaks...💪🏾
I used one, the only issue is that after a couple of years, due to the constant changes of temperature and seasons, (the expansion and contraction from cold to hot), it fell off and allowed sewer gases to come into the bathroom. yes, it can be used again, but in a couple of years, you'll be changing it again. I would stick with the wax. I guess it COULD be safe to say that if my flange were the proper height, it wouldn't have fallen off.
I have to do mine soon. After reading so many comments above by people who had trouble and had to cut this or trim that, use the spacer, don't use the spacer, remove the foam ring" etc etc, it wasnt sounding very intriguing. lol
And after what you just said, I think I'm gonna stick with the good, reliable 30 year wax seal as well.
House from 1969 old style above floor flange has non removable screws, all in ok condition. This product may have fit the hole but the screws were placed a bit wider in this flange and stretched the seal so it would not work. Does not fit all flange types! Seemed like a good product and good video, wish it was for me! I’d share a picture but don’t see how on the app.
A simple tip to resolve the issue is to not use the bolt holes provided in the blue gasket. The gasket will stay in place after compression and the ears for the bolts do not provide any extra compression or sealing advantage. For more tips and installation help contact Fluidmaster via chat/ email or phone at fluidmaster.com/support or 800 631-2011. Fluidmaster is available Monday thru Friday from 5:30 am to 5:00 pm PST.
Putting the white plastic washer on before the metal one is not on the paper instructions in the box with the better than wax seal kit. Please change this. Also, the toilet does not flush to the floor if the flange is level with the tile. It has to be shimmed. Make your instructions more inclusive please. It seems like a good product otherwise.
I was surprised when the guy didn't mention getting the remaining water in the bowl out or down the drain before lifting the bowl up. When you turn the bowl upside-down to remove existing wax, the water will be there to surprise you if not noticed and emptied prior.
Yeah. I used a cheapo multi-use fluid transfer pump (HarborFreight) to completely drain all water.
@@keras_ thank you, I stand corrected.
At 3:35, the installer said to put a plastic washer on the bolts before you put the metal washer on. That would make sense to keep the smaller metal washers from dropping into the hole. The problem is, the kit does not come with those plastic washers. 😒
The kit comes with 2 plastic retaining washers to hold the bolt in place on the floor flange. Once the bolts are held in place, place the toilet onto the flange. To place the caps on simply place the bottom washer of the cap onto the bolt first then the metal washer and nut. Hand tighten the nut until snug and snap upper bolt cap over the bolt.
For help or other questions call Fluidmaster Technical Services at 800-631-2011
bolts coming up through flange are too long for covers. can these be cut down some?
A) Yes the bolts can be cut to allow the bolt cap to fit properly. If you have any concerns contact Fluidmaster’s Technical Service Department. Fluidmaster’s Technical Services Department is available Monday through Friday from 5:30 AM through 5:00 PM Pacific Standard Time. Contact options include: Chat www.fluidmaster.com/support E-Mail techsupport@fluidmaster.com and Toll Free 800-631-2011.
If you have either a 4" or 3" hole this should work. But, if you are using an insert for the 3" hole (like home depot sells) this seal probably will not work because it does not fit into the flange insert.
That would of been nice to know! Even though it say's fits any Drain Any toliet FALSE
Had a flange even with the floor an attempted to use the spacer. With the spacer the toilet was so far above the floor I didn't think I could ratchet down enough. Called a plumber friend. He said I should be fine without the spacer. Anyone have an opinion?
Thank you for your comments. The reason Fluidmaster suggests using the spacer first on flanges even or slightly below the floor is because some toilets may have a different recess under the toilet bowl. We have found that most toilets will have a 1/2 inch recess to allow the toilet bowl wax and non-wax products to fit, however, toilet manufactures can make the recess deeper. Fluidmaster suggests trying the spacer first to ensure a proper fit, if it does not then remover the spacer and use the non-wax gasket by itself. For additional questions on this Fluidmaster product contact us at your earliest convenience. Fluidmaster’s Technical Service Department is available Monday through Friday from 5:30 AM through 5:00 PM Pacific Standard Time. Contact options include: Chat www.fluidmaster.com/support E-Mail techsupport@fluidmaster.com and Toll Free 800-631-2011.
I had exactly this issue - the spacer is way too tall to fit, and I tried without it, and have done probably 15 flushes and overnight so far, and no leaks, but not sure if I feel "safe" with just the gasket! Did yours still work fine ?
Would best!! I don’t have any plumbing experience and I did a pro job.. wonderful problem free🎉🎉
I’ve a above floor flange and the toilet won’t sit flush when using the 7530 seal
You disconnected the supply from the tank before you flushed it and you're telling people to do the same?
Although this is a great product; it is not ideal for an above surface flange, unless you plan to shim the bottom edges of your toilet. Otherwise just stick to the standard thickness wax ring.
see my comment mine was above floor also .
Is the spacer optional?
B) Yes the spacer is optional. For other comments or questions concerning the Better Than Wax please contact Fluidmaster by email or chat (www.fluidmaster.com/support ) or phone 800-631-2011.
I bought this seal and it was a nightmare for me to install. My flange is above the tile and this seal is too thick which prevented the toilet from sitting flat. I had to use wax in the end. This would have been perfect if it worked.
Julian Hi Julian, I am sorry that you had this problem, the Better Than Wax is designed to compress with flanges extending over the floor. I would like to learn more about your experience and help resolve any issue you may be still having. Please call the Technical Service Team at 800-631-2011 or if you prefer we have Chat www.fluidmaster.com and E-mail techsupport@fluidmaster.com
This is the flange i used @202313119
Model #886-GP
Julian I had the same problem. The flange is raised about 1/4 inch above grade. The silicon gasket is about the same thickness as the recess into the bottom of the toilet. The toilet just pivots around the gasket/flange. Even sitting on it does not compress it at all.
+Julian I have the exact same problem. It's been a nightmare installing this product. The ONLY option is to return this product and get a wax ring.
Hard shims to put under the toilet foot to level and lift it prior to sealing with silicone based sealer might adjust the toilet height for the slight elevation above the floor.. The shims are small hard plastic wedges and are inexpensive. I think a dollar or so for a small pack of them.
I have a flange that's even with the floor. With the extender, the toilet bottom does not touch the ground and rocks a lot. Does that mean the seal is too high because of the extender or am I suppose to sit in it and smash it flat with force?
The reason Fluidmaster suggests using the spacer first on flanges even or slightly below the floor is because some toilets may have a different recess under the toilet bowl. We have found that most toilets will have a 1/2 inch recess to allow the toilet bowl wax and non-wax products to fit, however, toilet manufactures can make the recess deeper. Fluidmaster suggests trying the spacer first to ensure a proper fit, if it does not then remover the spacer and use the non-wax gasket by itself. For additional questions on this Fluidmaster product contact us at your earliest convenience. Fluidmaster’s Technical Service Department is available Monday through Friday from 5:30 AM through 5:00 PM Pacific Standard Time. Contact options include: Chat www.fluidmaster.com/support E-Mail techsupport@fluidmaster.com and Toll Free 800-631-2011.
I had the same problem as the others below. My flange is even with the floor, tile, and the directions say to use the spacer on 5b. Using the space my toilet does not sit on the floor and I am sure I will break the toilet if I keep tightening. Without the spacer the seal is too low. I do not believe this was well tested. I will go back to using the large wax method
That's the problem with "one size fits all" spacers; one size does NOT fit all situations. I think Ryan Satterfield's suggestion that Fluidmaster include a spacer half the thickness of the one now included, in addition to the spacer currently offered, would be a workable solution.
Same issue here. They seemed to take the approach that the flange is either above or below the floor and didn't take into account the cases where the flange is even or a bit proud. Tried-and-true wax method prevailed.
If the flange is even to one quarter inch below the floor it says no spacer needed.
@@rickcoleman8903 But some are saying that it leaks if you don't use the spacer and makes the toilet sit too high off the floor if do use the spacer. ????
abc come on man youre all over this video asking questions, call the manufactorer already.. btw from the sounds of it you shouldn’t be installing any toilets
My flange sits even with the floor. Followed the video and it's still rocking after nuts are tightened. No idea what to do from here. Also the spacer was to much even with the flange even with the floor.
Fluidmaster suggests trying the spacer first to ensure a proper fit, if it does not allow the bowl to sit flat or has a gap of more than 3/16ths so that the toilet rocks back and forth, then remover the spacer and use the non-wax gasket by itself. In some cases a single gasket may not be enough and a second gasket needs to be stacked. For additional questions on this Fluidmaster product contact us at your earliest convenience. Fluidmaster’s Technical Service Department is available Monday through Friday from 5:30 AM - 5:00 PM Pacific Standard Time. Contact options include: Chat www.fluidmaster.com/support E-Mail techsupport@fluidmaster.com and Toll Free 800-631-2011.
I don't think my plumber cleaned or removed the old wax from around the seal, he didn't use the spacer at all and now my toilet rocks really bad I'm afraid. Where it wasn't rocking before he told me for $400 he can replace the subfloor 😢😢😢
i got one total crap kept leaking so i went and got a wax ring last one lasted 22 years it quit leaking
Obviously it does, but I don't understand how this can seal out the water when flushing. 🤔
My flange is like 1/8” below the floor. If I put the spacer on, the toilet rocks. If I don’t use the spacer, I don’t know if it’s a good enough seal to work effectively.
The reason Fluidmaster suggests using the spacer first on flanges even or slightly below the floor is because some toilets may have a different recess under the toilet bowl. We have found that most toilets will have a 1/2 inch recess to allow the toilet bowl wax and non-wax products to fit, however, toilet manufactures can make the recess deeper. Fluidmaster suggests trying the spacer first to ensure a proper fit, if it does not then remover the spacer and use the non-wax gasket by itself. There are instances where using - - Blue Gaskets is necessary for a proper seal. For additional questions on this Fluidmaster product contact us at your earliest convenience. Fluidmaster’s Technical Service Department is available Monday through Friday from 5:30 AM through 5:00 PM Pacific Standard Time. Contact options include: Chat www.fluidmaster.com/support E-Mail techsupport@fluidmaster.com and Toll Free 800-631-2011.
Doesn't fit properly in my offset flange, any suggestions? Also wax lasts for life but this is only guaranteed for 10 years? Do I have to replace this every 10 years?
Wax products do not come with a life time guarantee and the Better than Wax is reusable and can last more than the 10 year warranty period, Off Set flanges normally are lifted up above the floor which will cause most bowls to rock when using a wax and non-wax seals. We recommend shimming the toilet to stabilize the bowl. For additional questions on this Fluidmaster product contact us at your earliest convenience. Fluidmaster’s Technical Service Department is available Monday through Friday from 5:30 AM through 5:00 PM Pacific Standard Time. Contact options include: Chat www.fluidmaster.com/support E-Mail techsupport@fluidmaster.com and Toll Free 800-631-2011.
Wish Android or those giving instructions on Google Apps would get it together. After 20 minutes of not being able to scan the QR code on my Android camera app regardless how many times I read the online instructions to do so I had to type this link in an address bar manually from the instruction booklet.
Idk these existed. I set my toilet 2 years ago in my cabin and now is seeping a little after each flush mainly because of the cold weather in the mountains the wax gets cold/hard and surface contact moves away
The 7530 Better Than Wax is made from polymers that unlike wax will not get brittle and crack under pressure or temperatures. For more information visit our website Fluidmaster.com/support for videos, troubleshooting tips, email, chat with a technician or call toll free 800-631-2011. We are available 5 days a week Mon-Fri from 5:30 am - 5:00 pm PST.
@@FluidmasterInc Thanks yea I will be replacing with this part not a wax ring..
Awesome I got here from a QR code! Couple minute watch and I was good to go, never even read the leaflet past step 1 lol
I just replaced a tile floor after redoing the plumbing. My flange is 1/2" below the level of the tile - measured 3 times. There is no way in hell that I can fit one black spacer and two blue spacers under my toilet and be able to screw on the nuts much less have the toilet touch the floor. Is this a flaw in the instructions?? Will one black and one blue work without leaking in a couple of months??
Hi James - Thank you for reaching out to us with your installation question! We ask that you please contact our technical services team so a representative can better assist you. You can contact them via phone at 800-631-2011 or chat at www.fluidmaster.com/support/.
@@FluidmasterInc Can't you just answer his question? I wanted to try this product but I'm having more and more doubts. I don't want shims!
A) This is not a flaw, in most cases because of the recess of the toilet a second blue gasket may be necessary, however if your toilet recess is shallow enough then only 1 blue gasket will be needed. Yes you can use 1 gasket and 1 spacer. If you have any concerns contact Fluidmaster’s Technical Service Department. Fluidmaster’s Technical Services Department is available Monday through Friday from 5:30 AM through 5:00 PM Pacific Standard Time. Contact options include: Chat www.fluidmaster.com/support E-Mail techsupport@fluidmaster.com and Toll Free 800-631-2011.
Does this work with 5” inner diameter drain? Thx!
The 7530 is designed to fit with modern flanges that are 3 and 4 inches in OD diameter. For larger flanges you may need to use wax or new flange. For more information visit our website Fluidmaster.com where you can find product information, videos, troubleshooting tips and email or chat with a technician. Our toll-free number is 800-631-2011 and we are available 5 days a week Mon-Fri from 5:30 am - 5:00 pm PST.
Doesn't work if the flange is above floor. We were using a KOHLER Highline Classic White 1.28-G toilet, after installing the seal, there was 1/4 inch gap between the toilet and the floor. It would be great if the seal is compressible, but for now we are going with another product.
in the middle of performing this and my flange is to high to get a good seal. have to try something else
They make a sleave adaptor flange, you have to cut the old one out then just slide the new one in the pipe and anchor to floor. I've done this dozens of times on customers renowed baths that went from ceramic tile to plank.
I used dielectric grease where the toilet mates to the ring to avoid any sticking or puckering.
Some are saying to install the blue ring first to the toilet and then place the toilet.
What ever works
Thank you for your comments, Fluidmaster does not recommend using any type of lubricant or epoxy with the Better then Wax products as it should not be needed. Placing the gasket onto the flange first can be done but may be a little more difficult installing. For help or any questions you may have contact Fluidmaster by email, chat or phone at fluidmaster.com/support and 800-631-2011, Mon-Fri 5:30am - 5:00pm PST.
Without the spacers toilet leaks, with spacer toilet is far, far above the floor and even sitting on the toilet would not even come close to compressing the spacer. I would crack the toilet if I had to tighten it anymore. I'd you buy this keep your fingers crossed your flange is at just the right height to make this product work.
It didn’t work.
My flange is above the floor level, I followed the proper steps but my toilet does not seat flat, I’ll have to use the wax (unfortunately).
A tip from Fluidmaster that may provide a solution for this issue. In cases where the flange is above the floor or your toilet has a shallow gap it may be better to build up the floor using toilet base plates or shim the toilet rather than using wax. By adding height around the flange this will allow for a proper sealing bead around the ceramic and floor flange which will not break the seal during normal use or plunging of the toilet. Wax will spread but it may spread so thin that the sealing bead around the floor flange will break during normal use or plunging. For additional help contact Fluidmaster’s Technical Service Department between M-F from 5:30 AM through 5:00 PM Pacific Standard Time. Contact options include: Chat www.fluidmaster.com/support E-Mail techsupport@fluidmaster.com and Toll Free 800-631-2011.
Thanks for the extremely helpful video. I followed all your steps and the install went without a hitch. The only thing I had a problem with was the flange screw was too short so I used the old one. I hope this product works as advertised and if it does I will use it on my other toilets.
How'd this product work for you? I just bought one and would love to know.
You say they work on any toilet but do they work with wall toilets or dual mount, wall outlet toilets such as like, say for instance an Eljer Walford (wall mount) or a Kohler Barrington (dual mount).
So... a "flange extender" is mentioned in the paperwork and on the video... but no image of one can be found.
I sure would like to see what it looks like...
These also can be called spacers and allow you to build the flange up towards the floor surface. TH-cam doesn't allow us to insert an image in a reply. If you call us at 800-631-2011 and provide us with your email, we could send you an image. Thanks.
Doesn't this flange reduce the pipe diameter right at the point where it usually clogs?
No it does not, we do place a sleeve at the bottom of the gasket that fits inside the pipe, however if the sleeve bunches up or distorts it can be cut away without affecting the seal and the way it performs. For help or additional questions contact Fluidmaster at fluidmaster.com/support to email or chat with an agent or call toll free at 800-631-2011 to speak with an agent. We are available from 5:30am to 5:00pm PST Monday thru Friday.
What is a compatible flange extender? My flange is 1.25" below the floor.
Fluidmaster suggests getting a second 7530 kit and using the 1 spacer unit with both blue gaskets to make a proper seal. However there are spacers available from your local hardware store that you can purchase to place on top of your floor flange. These spacers are available from manufacturers like Oatey and Pasco. For more information visit our website Fluidmaster.com where you can find product information, videos, troubleshooting tips and email or chat with a technician. Our toll-free number is 800-631-2011 and we are available 5 days a week Mon-Fri from 5:30 am - 5:00 pm PST.
@@FluidmasterInc thanks!
My toilet sat too high without the spacer even. Had to put a rubber hose washers on four points.
where is the bolt cap base? Not one in the box.
What keeps the bolts from spinning when you screw on nuts as what happened in my case
If the bolts are turning there are a couple of ways to stop this. The easiest way is to get a washer and nut and lock the bolt to the flange. If you do not have an extra set of washers and nuts then hold the bolt below the nut while turning the nut. As soon as the nut gets low enough on the threads hold the top portion of the bolt and continue turning the nut until hand tight. For more information visit our website Fluidmaster.com where you can find product information, videos, troubleshooting tips and where you can email or chat with a technician. Our toll-free number is 800-631-2011 and we are available 5 days a week Mon-Fri from 5:30 am - 5:00 pm PST.
Can we use a wax ring and the better than wax?
There is a hybrid product like that.
The blue seal does not properly fit down in the flange causing the seal to fold in and leak. Plus the toilet wobbles
Here is a quick solution when the 7530 toilet seal is bunching up in the center of the pipe. Simply cut the overhanging piece out to make a flat seal. As for the wobble if we are talking about a slight gap, then shimming the toilet, the same procedure you would use with wax, is the standard solution. For additional information or help with your product contact Fluidmaster’s Technical Service Department as we are available Monday through Friday from 5:30 AM through 5:00 PM Pacific Standard Time. Contact options include: Chat www.fluidmaster.com/support E-Mail techsupport@fluidmaster.com and Toll Free 800-631-2011.
Thanks. I do have a question though the flange is just below tile so I installed the spacer first... BUT I’m not so sure about the height that stack makes. The toilet rocks excessively until I nearly have my full weight upon the bowl.
I want to be sure I don’t damage the toilet by having to tighten up too much
Should I shave 3/4” eg off of the spacer?
The reason Fluidmaster suggests using the spacer first on flanges even or slightly below the floor is because some toilets may have a different recess under the toilet bowl. We have found that most toilets will have a 1/2 inch recess to allow the toilet bowl wax and non-wax products to fit, however, toilet manufactures can make the recess deeper. Fluidmaster suggests trying the spacer first to ensure a proper fit, if it does not then remover the spacer and use the non-wax gasket by itself. For additional questions on this Fluidmaster product contact us at your earliest convenience. Fluidmaster’s Technical Service Department is available Monday through Friday from 5:30 AM through 5:00 PM PST at 800-631-2011.
Don't bother with this product if your flange is above ground...won't fit right and will be wobbly. Just use the wax
DOES IT COME WITH TWO FUNNELS IF 2 1/2 BELOW THE FLOOR OR DO I HAVE TO SPEND ANOTHER $12 FOR TWO OF THESE?
Only the spacer and one blue seal comes in the kit. If two blue seals are required, you will need to purchase another kit. If your flange is truly 2 1/2" below the floor, you may want to use a flange extender instead of stacking so many seals. You would need to stack up to 5 blue seals or a spacer and 3 blue seals as it is now. Please look into raising the lever of that flange if possible.
How does this fit a 3 inch drain?
Very helpful video. Thank you for sharing!