Me with my friends were talking about this the other day, but we need a DLC of the year category and a remake/remaster of the year category. Feel like that would be less problematic, not to mention it would give more attention to some other games.
I mean, if Shadow of the Erdtree and FF remake were able to get nominated, it's because they clearly tick the boxes as game of the year. Take SOTE as the example, it's like another game.
The real controversy should be about Multiversus. It won fighting game of the year 2 years ago as a beta. Now its nominated again this year as a new fighting game. Proving that Palworld, even though its not fully released or whatever, should be nominated.
Multiversus is only up there because outlets are sending in judges that don’t play fighting games. That’s the problem with this type of system, some categories just aren’t gonna receive the type of list that anyone knowledgeable would give it.
It’s an awards ceremony. Merit doesn’t mean crap when the consideration of the industry bureaucracy outweigh the players’. It’s the Oscars and Music Awards all over again.
Here we go, online game commenter poisoning gaming talk with political talking points. Yes.....THE GAME AWARDS.....is now a massive illuminati cabal like Hollywood award shows... .yes.......THE LITERAL LIFE WORK OF ONE GUY WHO CREATED IT TO BUILD GAMES AS ART UP AND MAKE UP FOR THE HOLE E3 LEFT. Are you dumb? Geoff Keighley started the only ever game awards showcase in history that anyone cared about. Go find me all the other people putting up their money to do game awards? Where is it? Never existed. Jesus just because you can't comprehend the moving parts of putting large productions together, doesnt mean it isn't genuine. The Game Awards singlehandedly raised games as a medium into conversations with other art forms. What are you creating?
While we all harp on game journalists, and rightfully for various reasons, I’d still trust game critics as a whole over a massive players/fan vote. Fans are way more likely to let their own biases and lack of media literacy influence the votes. Many fans just live in their own game’s bubble and don’t venture into other genres or categories. The Destiny fans in this comment section saying TFS should have been nominated proves exactly that.
Been playing a lot of Metaphor this last week to see what it is, and I can see why it's one of the spots for GOTY. Brings a very rich story, characters, play-style, music, and more. If you like turn based games definitely grab this one.
I can understand not being bothered to have to adjust the setup just for 1 game (FF7 Rebirth) but let me just say, that is an absolutely PHENOMENAL experience all the way through, I know you probably won’t and you’ll probably forget about it once it does come to PC, but it is so worth it across.
@@bloodySunday77there’s a feature in the setting that allows you to pick “enhanced audio.” if you enable it, you’re able to use it with a ‘default universal profile.’ if you want to personalize your audio profile you have to pay like $20 and take pictures of your face and ear shape💀 something like that
Imagine you've worked your ass off - and even got crunch hours at work away from your family and deserved free time etc etc - for years, just to release a new game which eventually turns out to be fantastic. And then a remake or DLC with a max of 20-25% of that effort (at best) comes in the same award category as your game, kicking other titles out from the small shortlist. And now imagine the newcomer actually takes the award. Do you think that's right?
Imagine thinking they didn't work on that DLC for years and put as much effort in as any other developer. Elden Ring deserves it way more than any other game on that list
25% effort? Shadow of the Urdtree could literally be a standalone game, it has more content to discover and play around with than every other game nominated
@@killclip6449the game has a lot of recycled bosses and is pretty much just more Elden ring. Also it definitely takes less effort to make a dlc since you have literally the hardest parts worked out in terms of gameplay framework and just need to add more to it. It’s not as good as y’all claim it to be since it’s not even innovative. Dragons Dogma 2 is more innovative than Elden ring in terms of gameplay since Elden ring is just dark souls gameplay for the 7th time with the same general boss structure from the main game basically
It's actually wild that people think FF7 Rebirth can't be nominated because it's a remake. They act like it's a Crash N. Sane trilogy styled 1:1 remake lmao. Even the story isn't the same, let alone anything gameplay related
heard somewhere that it's not even a traditional remake, it carries the name of FF7 and that's it, it's basically a different game (new characters, new story, etc)
I think helldiver fans knew it wasn’t gonna get that slot They’re just happy to see it in best multiplayer category tbh - if it wasn’t then there’d be issues
@ it’s surely more worthy than Balatro or Shadow. Balatro is great and all but it hasn’t had as big of an impact has Helldivers has. And shadow is well, y’know shadow.
@@theholypopechodeii4367 if Helldivers isn’t “goty level” then Balatro sure as hell isn’t. Balatro is a card game, no matter how flashy or “complex” it is. People like it because gambling and number go up. Helldivers blows it out of the water in terms of gameplay, replayability, content, mechanics, world building and most importantly popularity. Helldivers 12 million copies to Balatros 2 million proves it. And if you think impact doesn’t matter for GOTY then you’re as stupid as the people who think DLC should be able to win GOTY.
@@killclip6449As if Destiny, or any similar game is any better in that regard. Helldivers content updates are practically free and they’ve long buffed everything since the community criticized the games balance. Meanwhile on Destiny, weapons and entire builds get nerfed into the ground and you have to pay for DLC + seasons every year.
Yeah, if Shadow of the Erdtree can be nominated then Phantom Liberty should have definitely been nominated back when it came out because in my opinion it’s just as good if not better. Honestly it just feels like they want any excuse to have Fromsoft get another award.
@Luke973T there’s stronger games that came out this year that can easily take the spot of SOTE, all I’m saying is that I personally don’t believe that DLC should be nominated but I do think it’s pathetic and nonsensical that only now is a DLC being considered when we’ve had decades of amazing DLC with some being better than most games that get released and I would argue that some have been better than nominated games over the years.
@@Luke973T They completely ignored Stellar Blade for GOTY and Wukong and Stellar Blade are both excellent + would deserve a win. EVE is a hot protagonist, yes, but the I've replayed the game three times already - it's a great fucking game.
As someone who played the original FF7 now in my early 40s and played rebirth it deserves to be on there they did ALOT of different things than the original including changing the story to make it its own
@soraxstacy1477 maybe it should have been elden ring 2, nat a DLC that needs you to buy the old game 1st. I am just saying probably would have made more money lol
Remakes r 100% a case by case situation cuz there's remakes like FF7, SH2, Dead Space, RE 1, 2, and 4 that r completely different games from the original
No lies about DragonsDogma 2 and I was a huge DD1 fan. They really didn't push enough stuff forward to make it happen. But godamn it feels so good. A multi-player mode where your friends control your pawns is the jam
Yep. But are you surprised? The jury is made up of shill outlets like IGN (who gave veilguard a 9, Wukong a 8 and Stellar Blade a 7) and 90% of votes are done by them too. Gamers make up for 10% of votes - so it's essentially another fake award by completely out of touch people.
It's a great card game but not something I'd rank as GOTY, especially if you don't play card games much. I never even heard of Belatro until it was nominated for GOTY and when I tried it, I found it fun, but not good enough to be GOTY. I feel there are other full games that are better in general than Belatro. It's also why I feel Shadow of the Erdtree should not be in the GOTY category either.
The Elden Ring DLC is so jam packed of high quality content it could have been sold as a seperate game so I believe it should be allowed With FF7 Rebirth when you compare it to the original it is basically a diffrent game, it plays completely different, has story differences,voice acting, and so much more content that I don't consider it a remake, it stands on its own and deserves a spot
I love Balatro, but playing it at the start does not do the game justice. That’s why I immediately unlocked everything through the settings. Playing with the full set of Jokers is a game changer. Literally. The only reason I have not bought this game on mobile is becuz I fear I may play it too much.
I think you have to give merit to balatro as game of the year material. Made by one person, infinitely replayable for a lot of people with actually fun progression and it’s rare to see a rogue like in goty let alone so many categories. I’m not particularly into the game either but given how unique it is I think it deserves its place
DLC should be eligible because it can completely overhaul a game. If you play D2 vanilla and then FS, you would think they are diff games. It’s like going from D2 > D1. But being eligible doesn’t mean it’s gonna be nominated. The DLC should be able to stand on its own and not feel like an add-on to get nominated.
Balatro all the way. Having a game developed by one person clean house would be awesome in the same year Concord incinerated nearly half a billion dollars. Also I’ve put more time in Balatro than anything else nominated lol
If DLC's were there own thing and it went over all the dlcs that came out this year. I think for many of us either Elden Ring or The Final Shape wouldve been complicated to choose for this community here. But for the whole gaming community, I don't think anything Destiny related will be nominated so high, or even be noticed, simply because of well... you know not only the amount of times people moan and complain, but also yknow...Bungie messing things up, managing and direction wise that impacts the game negatively. Until Bungie makes genuine changes that got Destiny to the peak that it had, perchance Quality over Quantity technique, anything destiny related would not be recieved very high IF dlc's were to be their own thing.
It's funny hearing people say FFVII Rebirth is really long. The main campaign will take about 50 hours. If you go for 100% completion, you're looking at around 150-200 hours. That's light work compared to many RPGs. My only criticisms of Rebirth is that they went too far with the number of mini-games (like seriously, cut them in half), and they seemed to chicken out when it came to the plot. At the end of Remake, they heavily hinted that the story was going to take a "fight against fate" approach. But they seemed to scrap that idea. I haven't completed the main story yet, but from what I've heard, they didn't change anything. That's a bit disappointing.
@brettadiah10 lol. It's all good. I get it. I was waiting for a bug to get fixed that was preventing me from finishing one of the last mini-games. Around that time, The Finals Shape was a month or 2 away, and I wanted to finish the seasonal content before it got vaulted. So, I started playing D2 again, and I kind of just kept playing D2 non-stop since then. I am almost done with Rebirth, and I didn't feel like the game was too long at all. I've put WAY more hours into D2 since TFS launched than I put into Rebirth, and compared to other RPGs I've played, Rebirth isn't that long. I just got distracted. Whenever D2 gets hold of me, I get hooked for a long time, lol. I'm going back and finishing Rebirth now, though, since I finally got burned out from D2. At the time, I loved the game, though, and it was my GOTY. But if it was an option, I think TFS became my GOTY, with Rebirth being 2nd.
DLCs havent been nominated before, until... Miyazaki and the Geoff bias to him (and Kojima). But remakes,not remastered, have been nominated before if i recall. RE2 and RE4 and FFVII (2 times), and probably another ones (?). Oh, and btw, imo remakes makes sense, since new generations have come to play, and they could not enjoy several games if it is not for the remakes, and once again, RE-FF-SH2, are gems that other wise many ppl would not have enjoyed.
No it doesn't. I love fromsoft games as much as the next guy but it completely takes away from hard working companies who made amazing NEW games for gamers such as shift up (Stellar Blade, which didn't even make it in there but Astro Bot did) and Game Science with Wukong. It should be it's own category, end of story.
I go 2 ways. On 1 hand DLC already has a base game so their engine/models/music/textures etc are all available to use as a starting point so it feels unfair to rank them in the same category as totally new games. But on the other hand if a full ass release can't clear a DLC and the DLC wins, then do those games ever deserve to win game of the year in the first place?
I don't think remakes should be nominated but for FF7 rebirth I can at least give it a leeway because it is not the same game as the original FF7, I think it should fall under a new catagory of reimagined
89% are wrong, haha jk jk. Shadow of the Erdtree is definitely the exception here though. There are plenty of expansions that would be silly to nominate, Final Shape included. But for the few that muster the size, scope, and achievement of Erdtree, it'd be silly to section it off into a smaller subcategory. They definitely reached and exceeded the height of a full game's release and deserve to be nominated.
I take it by your reaction to Outlaws that you haven’t played the latest patch or DLC for it, considering how much has been addressed with it. If Cyberpunk can bounce back and be recognized for it, no reason Outlaws shouldn’t be out of consideration. It’s nowhere near the rebound as CP2077, but a lot has been addressed in the short time since it’s been out. I’m thinking Massive might understand what’s at stake more than UbiSoft does, and it shows in their recent efforts. And while Shadow of the Erdtree was great, it’s a DLC, and doesn’t belong in GOTY. The list is a bit of a head scratcher, this year.
No, Remasters and DLCS/Expansions should not be in the running for GOTY. That being said, there SHOULD be a separate category for best DLC/ Expansion of the year as well as best Collection/ Game preservation of the year(Looking at the Marvel vs Capcom Fighting Collection here). Remasters are literally just an uprezzed version of an old game, such as Skyrim and TLOU have been doing for years, however, Remakes on the other hand SHOULD be considered for GOTY as they change the game to a new format, add new content, and change the play style, such as the Final Fantasy VII Remake series, Resident Evil 2 and 3 Remakes, and the Silent Hill Remake that just came out. Yes, they tell mostly the same story, but in entirely new ways. Nobody can say that those aren't entirely new games. Edited to add that Metaphor and Rebirth are both fantastic games and I honestly cannot decide at this time(still very early in Metaphor) which I'd vote for, but it's definitely out of those 2 for me.
Unironically Balatro should win GOTY. One of the best gameplay experiences I've ever encountered. The nextfest demo on its own was better than many full games.
@@ziegfeld4131 I enjoyed FF7 Rebirth a lot. FF7R2 has a lot of good moments and great twists on the original classic. But as a game, meant to be played for gameplay, Balatro is better.
@@thecactusman17 Nah, I didn't even hear of Balatro until it's nomination at the game awards. While I found it fun when I tried it, I didn't find it to be great as a card game, I didn't find it good enough to be in GOTY. There are other games more deserving to be there in my opinion.
eldenring deserves to win again i enjoyed the dlc ssoooo much more then the base game. wukong was very good but also the gameplay and world exploration was so mid. i cant bring myself to finishing it as i beat all the fights easily with the same attack spam every time. last boss i beat was that stunning looking fight against a white dragon on a frozen lake. i just wish it would have been a harder more engaging fight as it really was beautiful but it was over in 2 attempts. idk man, boring gameplay to me but good for you if you enjoyed it
It’s gonna be tight man imo. BMW, FFR, ER:SOTE and Metaphor were all bangers definitely an RPG year apparently . . . I guess ER and BMW are closer to souls likes but still a good selection. And FFR may have came out to early and lost some of its hype. I love all of them.!
I love shadow of the erdtree but from the perspective of not putting dlcs as goty, i think it should go to wukong. But I 100% prefer shadow of the erd tree
The easiest way to make the GOTY vote matter is to put EVERY GAME AND DLC out there. Vote for whatever you want to be the GOTY. Most votes win. Simple.
This debate about DLCs has been going on for a while. Now we get remasters and remakes all the time aswell. Here's a thought They have 29 fucking categories. Fucking 29. Add 3 more for each corresponding type of game. Too much work? Aight add just one with all 3 of em inside and call it "Best Reintegration" or something. Plus now we got 30 categories and the OCD attack is quenched. You're welcome Geoff that'll be 20.000$ + 25% of this category's annual profit, you can wire it to my bank account.
2:05 What does this comment even mean? Yes, Destiny players actively deny themselves some of the greatest gaming experiences ever because they're busy grinding Grandmaster Nightfalls for a perk roll Bungie has unknowingly bugged to devastate drop rates, or running holiday events that haven't changed in half a decade or more, or running their 50th raid because "lol exotics lol" and Bungie has, in 10 years, NOT realized that teams should get the same loot and that it's immensely frustrating to not get something that your entire squad gets. HOPEFULLY people play more games that "the D2 crowd wouldn't main." That's where the GOOD games are.
It's literally a looter shooter and that's why people get different loot. Also like you said it was a bug and wasn't intentionally. Accidents happen. Even tho you don't like it for what it is destiny is a good game.
@cerebralassassin2185 1) Destiny is not a good game and I'm tired of people pretending it is. If you like it, great. I've loved trash games in my life. Just admit it for what it is. 2) I called Bungie out for not knowing about the bug. Was it unintentional? Maybe. We don't know that. They've purposefully fudged numbers before, they were busted doing it. The BIGGER problem is their extreme lack of QA that allowed this bug to plague drop rates likely for YEARS. Yes Destiny is a looter shooter...repetition, grind, farm, all those things come with the territory. But one reason so many people can't stand this genre is because of how overwhelmingly disappointing those aspects are. Games like this NEED to respect your time, and Destiny has gone 10 years actively, consciously, willfully and purposefully disrespecting every single player's time. They were doing that BEFORE "weightgate," and now that we see Bungie's ineptitude front and center...the proof is undeniable. And yet...folks like yourself continue to misframe it, defend Bungie loyally, and blind yourself to the truth. Stop. Making. Excuses. For. Them.
I do believe that this year GOTY nominations are quite possibly the best it could be. We have an indie card game, a DLC, a Remake, a turn base RPG and a Triple A not made by one of the usual suspects. Now, should a DLC be nominated? F*ck yeah it should! If the game that won GOTY before drops a DLC so good that it also get a nomination for GOTY then of course it deserves to compete! Same for a Remake! And an Indie card game! And a non-mainstream genre like a turn base rpg! I'll go even further by saying that if the Final Shape had come out being a masterpiece of an expansion it should have also gone up there for nomination. It should be all about quality, doesn't matter the form. That way other games like D2, Warframe, No Man Sky or many other games out there should strive for GOTY every year.
I dont know anyone who played through wukong, most played for a couple hours and stopped because the combat just wasn't what they wanted out of that style of game.
People are yapping bc they don't want to see elden ring win another GOTY, Shadow of erdtree was damn near a whole new game, you could fr cut out vanilla elden ring, leave only shadow of the erdtree and still charge 45-60 bucks and nobody would complain. DLC should only be considered if the work put into it was sizeable, in this case I think Shadow of the Erdtree 100% deserves a GOTY nominee spot
DLC should have their own category Remakes and Remasters should not get any praise (look at what infinity ward did to the MW series...) This thing of rehashing stuff is a tumor in the gaming world. We need to get this out
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Me with my friends were talking about this the other day, but we need a DLC of the year category and a remake/remaster of the year category. Feel like that would be less problematic, not to mention it would give more attention to some other games.
Exactly. Why not introduce some more structure to an award ceremony?
I mean, if Shadow of the Erdtree and FF remake were able to get nominated, it's because they clearly tick the boxes as game of the year. Take SOTE as the example, it's like another game.
This is exactly what they should've done
An expansion winning GOTY would be gloriously hilarious tho
I believe On Going Game category technically covers that but dlcs have to compete against live service games.
The real controversy should be about Multiversus. It won fighting game of the year 2 years ago as a beta. Now its nominated again this year as a new fighting game. Proving that Palworld, even though its not fully released or whatever, should be nominated.
Mortal Kombat 1 should have won SOMETHING.. that game is a master work of NRS
Multiversus is only up there because outlets are sending in judges that don’t play fighting games. That’s the problem with this type of system, some categories just aren’t gonna receive the type of list that anyone knowledgeable would give it.
@@TChuuch it's one their better games, but still worse than most fighting games
What's NRS?
@@leecorrigan8394 NetherRealm Studios
It’s an awards ceremony.
Merit doesn’t mean crap when the consideration of the industry bureaucracy outweigh the players’. It’s the Oscars and Music Awards all over again.
Here we go, online game commenter poisoning gaming talk with political talking points. Yes.....THE GAME AWARDS.....is now a massive illuminati cabal like Hollywood award shows... .yes.......THE LITERAL LIFE WORK OF ONE GUY WHO CREATED IT TO BUILD GAMES AS ART UP AND MAKE UP FOR THE HOLE E3 LEFT. Are you dumb? Geoff Keighley started the only ever game awards showcase in history that anyone cared about. Go find me all the other people putting up their money to do game awards? Where is it? Never existed. Jesus just because you can't comprehend the moving parts of putting large productions together, doesnt mean it isn't genuine. The Game Awards singlehandedly raised games as a medium into conversations with other art forms. What are you creating?
I was just thinking this. People should stop caring so much about external "judgements" when it's probably all decided behind the scenes
While we all harp on game journalists, and rightfully for various reasons, I’d still trust game critics as a whole over a massive players/fan vote. Fans are way more likely to let their own biases and lack of media literacy influence the votes.
Many fans just live in their own game’s bubble and don’t venture into other genres or categories. The Destiny fans in this comment section saying TFS should have been nominated proves exactly that.
This shit is all rigged anyway. Idk why people care about so much when the popular vote barely counts. It's all bullshit.
Zanny's thumbnail for Game of the Year nominees was the best I've seen for this type of video.
Been playing a lot of Metaphor this last week to see what it is, and I can see why it's one of the spots for GOTY. Brings a very rich story, characters, play-style, music, and more. If you like turn based games definitely grab this one.
Balatro slander will not be tolerated
Balatro will sweep
I got that game on my phone after it got put on apple arcade... Terrible idea lol.
Hey man, I love it too. I think it has for sure been a sleeper hit.
I swear. People asking why that’s in GotY are tripping, glad to see it’s getting the recognition especially as an indie
I can understand not being bothered to have to adjust the setup just for 1 game (FF7 Rebirth) but let me just say, that is an absolutely PHENOMENAL experience all the way through, I know you probably won’t and you’ll probably forget about it once it does come to PC, but it is so worth it across.
I’m genuinely surprised that people care this much about the nominees of Geoff Keighleys Game ADwards. The whole thing is just a giant 2 hour AD
especially since the publics decision doesn't matter. Some nonsense orgs have 90% of the vote for any of these categories so its all a big joke.
I absolutely hate that about game awards. It should be about awards and why the games were outstanding.
Oh trust me ik goty is bs when last of us 2 won lmao
Yeah it's all trash. These game awards have always been ass.
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That fact that Black Ops 6 is there for "Best Audio" is crazy when there is a "pay to win" for better Audio quality.
I'm Master Prestige and I still don't know what this is
Not a fan of BO and any similar ripoffs, but how exactly does that make you "win"?
@@bloodySunday77not sure what it is but obvious assumptions might be hearing you approach from farther away than you’d think
I used the term, "pay to win." Just as to explain that to give the player a more crisp sounds in quality for game that is already full price AAA game.
@@bloodySunday77there’s a feature in the setting that allows you to pick “enhanced audio.” if you enable it, you’re able to use it with a ‘default universal profile.’ if you want to personalize your audio profile you have to pay like $20 and take pictures of your face and ear shape💀 something like that
We are getting a Cross Metaphor gameplay video coming and I'm all for it
Imagine you've worked your ass off - and even got crunch hours at work away from your family and deserved free time etc etc - for years, just to release a new game which eventually turns out to be fantastic. And then a remake or DLC with a max of 20-25% of that effort (at best) comes in the same award category as your game, kicking other titles out from the small shortlist.
And now imagine the newcomer actually takes the award. Do you think that's right?
Imagine thinking they didn't work on that DLC for years and put as much effort in as any other developer. Elden Ring deserves it way more than any other game on that list
25% effort? Shadow of the Urdtree could literally be a standalone game, it has more content to discover and play around with than every other game nominated
@@Mario-li5zj it does, but not in the GOTY category.
@@killclip6449the game has a lot of recycled bosses and is pretty much just more Elden ring.
Also it definitely takes less effort to make a dlc since you have literally the hardest parts worked out in terms of gameplay framework and just need to add more to it.
It’s not as good as y’all claim it to be since it’s not even innovative. Dragons Dogma 2 is more innovative than Elden ring in terms of gameplay since Elden ring is just dark souls gameplay for the 7th time with the same general boss structure from the main game basically
Like A Dragon: Infinite Wealth is absolutely GotY material
I hate how everyone just kinda forgot about it
The marketing for metaphor refantazio is so bad but as someone who's finished the game you must play it to finish
Genuinely incredible
It's actually wild that people think FF7 Rebirth can't be nominated because it's a remake. They act like it's a Crash N. Sane trilogy styled 1:1 remake lmao. Even the story isn't the same, let alone anything gameplay related
Agreed, anyone making that argument most definitely has no idea what they’re talking about.
heard somewhere that it's not even a traditional remake, it carries the name of FF7 and that's it, it's basically a different game (new characters, new story, etc)
The fact Helldivers wasn’t nominated for GOTY, and that people aren’t making a big enough deal about it, makes me absolutely livid
I think helldiver fans knew it wasn’t gonna get that slot
They’re just happy to see it in best multiplayer category tbh - if it wasn’t then there’d be issues
@ it’s surely more worthy than Balatro or Shadow. Balatro is great and all but it hasn’t had as big of an impact has Helldivers has. And shadow is well, y’know shadow.
Helldivers was great but it's not goty level. Baltaro is def better, the games aren't awarded based off of impact lmao
@@theholypopechodeii4367 if Helldivers isn’t “goty level” then Balatro sure as hell isn’t. Balatro is a card game, no matter how flashy or “complex” it is. People like it because gambling and number go up. Helldivers blows it out of the water in terms of gameplay, replayability, content, mechanics, world building and most importantly popularity. Helldivers 12 million copies to Balatros 2 million proves it. And if you think impact doesn’t matter for GOTY then you’re as stupid as the people who think DLC should be able to win GOTY.
@@kogden8110 it should've replaced shadow, but how are you saying shadow is a bad dlc lol. it's roughly the same quality as base
Helldivers was a phenomenon. It definitely deserved a spot for game of the year.
Unfortunately that game quickly got ruined by a lack of content and constant nerfs that no one asked for
@@killclip6449As if Destiny, or any similar game is any better in that regard. Helldivers content updates are practically free and they’ve long buffed everything since the community criticized the games balance. Meanwhile on Destiny, weapons and entire builds get nerfed into the ground and you have to pay for DLC + seasons every year.
Please upload your metaphor playthrough! It’s my GOTY for sure!!
Wukong is GotY for me
Absolutely loved it best game of 2023 Ive played
As much as I want Astro to win, I can see how Elden ring or black myth will take it
1:49 every gambling addiction ever
20:36 Balatro is a Roguelite, not just a card game.
My warlock just turned 10 years old since the creation character screen in Destiny 1 beta. Loyal to zavala
Yeah, if Shadow of the Erdtree can be nominated then Phantom Liberty should have definitely been nominated back when it came out because in my opinion it’s just as good if not better. Honestly it just feels like they want any excuse to have Fromsoft get another award.
Last year had a stronger lineup of nominees though.
@Luke973T there’s stronger games that came out this year that can easily take the spot of SOTE, all I’m saying is that I personally don’t believe that DLC should be nominated but I do think it’s pathetic and nonsensical that only now is a DLC being considered when we’ve had decades of amazing DLC with some being better than most games that get released and I would argue that some have been better than nominated games over the years.
@Jpow5734 both years are competitive...I'm thinking more about it. But easily beating a god tier expansion? Nope
@@Luke973T They completely ignored Stellar Blade for GOTY and Wukong and Stellar Blade are both excellent + would deserve a win. EVE is a hot protagonist, yes, but the I've replayed the game three times already - it's a great fucking game.
@lanycera I'm sure that they didn't ignore them and they were considered
@1:22 when he looks into the camera 😂
That side eye
No Army of Two Xbox 360 edition for 2024 nominees? Immediately trash
Going after all the masks was my first experience with “the grind”
@@Junkinsan it was the Halo 3 helmets for me
Metaphor is my goty, its so good. But I think it's cope to believe it'll win it.
Let me dream tho
As someone who played the original FF7 now in my early 40s and played rebirth it deserves to be on there they did ALOT of different things than the original including changing the story to make it its own
Yeah, gameplay is drastically different than the original, the graphics are dramatically different/improved, and the story is changed a bit as well.
It’s not called DLC of the Year or Expansion of the Year or anything like that. It’s GAME of the Year.
Shadow of the Urdtree alone has more content then every other game nominated
Ding Ding thank you. Case by Case basis@@killclip6449
@killclip6449 does that change the fact that it is still a DLC
@wowcbi No but it says alot when a DLC has more content than most AAA games and current indie games
@soraxstacy1477 maybe it should have been elden ring 2, nat a DLC that needs you to buy the old game 1st.
I am just saying probably would have made more money lol
Remakes r 100% a case by case situation cuz there's remakes like FF7, SH2, Dead Space, RE 1, 2, and 4 that r completely different games from the original
No lies about DragonsDogma 2 and I was a huge DD1 fan. They really didn't push enough stuff forward to make it happen. But godamn it feels so good.
A multi-player mode where your friends control your pawns is the jam
I'd like DLCs to have their own category. Final Shape deserves a nomination. The campaign was pretty good
Stellar Blade got robbed. Outlaws spots should be replaced with Stellar Blade
Yep. But are you surprised? The jury is made up of shill outlets like IGN (who gave veilguard a 9, Wukong a 8 and Stellar Blade a 7) and 90% of votes are done by them too. Gamers make up for 10% of votes - so it's essentially another fake award by completely out of touch people.
Stellar for sure should have replaced baltaro but it wouldn’t beat wukong or elden ring
@@davidthompson5308 balatro is goty, what u mean?
Unicorn overlord was such a great game. Wish it was there in the nominations 😢
Happy Holidays Cross!
Average Titan main doesn't have the intelligence required to comprehend the genius of Balatro.
Ok
It's a great card game but not something I'd rank as GOTY, especially if you don't play card games much. I never even heard of Belatro until it was nominated for GOTY and when I tried it, I found it fun, but not good enough to be GOTY. I feel there are other full games that are better in general than Belatro. It's also why I feel Shadow of the Erdtree should not be in the GOTY category either.
Balatro is a build crafting unleashed that looks like a card game.
I'm just upset that P3R didn't get nominated for best soundtrack that game has absolute bangers.
Balatro, lowkey is a fantastic game. You should try it
If anyone remembers that years ago The Witcher 3 , Blood and Wine dlc was indeed nominated as game of year as well.
No it wasn't. It was RPG of the year.
Cod fans have smooth brains. No wrinkles
Their brains are also hollow
No one told this man to listen to the Metaphor battle theme?
The Elden Ring DLC is so jam packed of high quality content it could have been sold as a seperate game so I believe it should be allowed
With FF7 Rebirth when you compare it to the original it is basically a diffrent game, it plays completely different, has story differences,voice acting, and so much more content that I don't consider it a remake, it stands on its own and deserves a spot
"it could have been sold as a separate game" yet it didn't, and that's why it should not be allowed a nomination for GAME of the year.
@@umbratilicious15 well you dont make the rules, deal with it.
I love Balatro, but playing it at the start does not do the game justice. That’s why I immediately unlocked everything through the settings. Playing with the full set of Jokers is a game changer. Literally. The only reason I have not bought this game on mobile is becuz I fear I may play it too much.
I guess this was more important that Warlock super damage testing lol
Astro Bot is absolutely great, can't think of a more pure and joyous gaming experience I've had in a long time than my time with Astro Bot
I think you have to give merit to balatro as game of the year material. Made by one person, infinitely replayable for a lot of people with actually fun progression and it’s rare to see a rogue like in goty let alone so many categories. I’m not particularly into the game either but given how unique it is I think it deserves its place
Helldivers is easily my favorite game that came out this year with Palworld as second.
DLC should be eligible because it can completely overhaul a game. If you play D2 vanilla and then FS, you would think they are diff games. It’s like going from D2 > D1. But being eligible doesn’t mean it’s gonna be nominated. The DLC should be able to stand on its own and not feel like an add-on to get nominated.
I would love to watch you play metaphor
Hands Down. Concord game of the year baby.
100% says all game journalists and twitter!
Balatro all the way. Having a game developed by one person clean house would be awesome in the same year Concord incinerated nearly half a billion dollars. Also I’ve put more time in Balatro than anything else nominated lol
Metafor - Persona with no dating, Dragon slaying, and BERSERK like characters. Brilliance.
If DLC's were there own thing and it went over all the dlcs that came out this year. I think for many of us either Elden Ring or The Final Shape wouldve been complicated to choose for this community here.
But for the whole gaming community, I don't think anything Destiny related will be nominated so high, or even be noticed, simply because of well... you know not only the amount of times people moan and complain, but also yknow...Bungie messing things up, managing and direction wise that impacts the game negatively.
Until Bungie makes genuine changes that got Destiny to the peak that it had, perchance Quality over Quantity technique, anything destiny related would not be recieved very high IF dlc's were to be their own thing.
It's funny hearing people say FFVII Rebirth is really long. The main campaign will take about 50 hours. If you go for 100% completion, you're looking at around 150-200 hours. That's light work compared to many RPGs. My only criticisms of Rebirth is that they went too far with the number of mini-games (like seriously, cut them in half), and they seemed to chicken out when it came to the plot. At the end of Remake, they heavily hinted that the story was going to take a "fight against fate" approach. But they seemed to scrap that idea. I haven't completed the main story yet, but from what I've heard, they didn't change anything. That's a bit disappointing.
I'm not trying to talk shit or anything but hearing you say it's not that long and then later saying I haven't finished it is kind of funny lol
@brettadiah10 lol. It's all good. I get it. I was waiting for a bug to get fixed that was preventing me from finishing one of the last mini-games. Around that time, The Finals Shape was a month or 2 away, and I wanted to finish the seasonal content before it got vaulted. So, I started playing D2 again, and I kind of just kept playing D2 non-stop since then. I am almost done with Rebirth, and I didn't feel like the game was too long at all. I've put WAY more hours into D2 since TFS launched than I put into Rebirth, and compared to other RPGs I've played, Rebirth isn't that long. I just got distracted. Whenever D2 gets hold of me, I get hooked for a long time, lol. I'm going back and finishing Rebirth now, though, since I finally got burned out from D2. At the time, I loved the game, though, and it was my GOTY. But if it was an option, I think TFS became my GOTY, with Rebirth being 2nd.
DLCs havent been nominated before, until... Miyazaki and the Geoff bias to him (and Kojima). But remakes,not remastered, have been nominated before if i recall. RE2 and RE4 and FFVII (2 times), and probably another ones (?). Oh, and btw, imo remakes makes sense, since new generations have come to play, and they could not enjoy several games if it is not for the remakes, and once again, RE-FF-SH2, are gems that other wise many ppl would not have enjoyed.
not gonna lie I hope Elden ring wins game of the year It would be kinda insane if a DLC wins game of the year + its deserved imo
No it doesn't. I love fromsoft games as much as the next guy but it completely takes away from hard working companies who made amazing NEW games for gamers such as shift up (Stellar Blade, which didn't even make it in there but Astro Bot did) and Game Science with Wukong. It should be it's own category, end of story.
@@lanyceraAstro Bot is a lot better than stellar blade, that's why it made it up there but stellar blade did not.
It's definitely deserved lol shit was a completely different game.
@@lanyceracope and seeth lmfao
Balatro has my vote
Cheeky aztecross upload before bed never gets old, destiny 2 vs fortnite is an interesting 1v1 as well
Metaphor is EASILY my GOTY, but I've loved every Persona game too. I don't know if it is the type of game that Cross will like, but I hope so.
I go 2 ways.
On 1 hand DLC already has a base game so their engine/models/music/textures etc are all available to use as a starting point so it feels unfair to rank them in the same category as totally new games.
But on the other hand if a full ass release can't clear a DLC and the DLC wins, then do those games ever deserve to win game of the year in the first place?
I don't think remakes should be nominated but for FF7 rebirth I can at least give it a leeway because it is not the same game as the original FF7, I think it should fall under a new catagory of reimagined
Rebirth is a 10/10, you DONT have to beat every mini game, that’s just if you are going for the platinum. Combat, storytelling, music, it’s amazing
89% are wrong, haha jk jk. Shadow of the Erdtree is definitely the exception here though. There are plenty of expansions that would be silly to nominate, Final Shape included. But for the few that muster the size, scope, and achievement of Erdtree, it'd be silly to section it off into a smaller subcategory. They definitely reached and exceeded the height of a full game's release and deserve to be nominated.
Silent Hill 2 not even being on the list is criminal
I take it by your reaction to Outlaws that you haven’t played the latest patch or DLC for it, considering how much has been addressed with it. If Cyberpunk can bounce back and be recognized for it, no reason Outlaws shouldn’t be out of consideration. It’s nowhere near the rebound as CP2077, but a lot has been addressed in the short time since it’s been out. I’m thinking Massive might understand what’s at stake more than UbiSoft does, and it shows in their recent efforts.
And while Shadow of the Erdtree was great, it’s a DLC, and doesn’t belong in GOTY. The list is a bit of a head scratcher, this year.
No, Remasters and DLCS/Expansions should not be in the running for GOTY. That being said, there SHOULD be a separate category for best DLC/ Expansion of the year as well as best Collection/ Game preservation of the year(Looking at the Marvel vs Capcom Fighting Collection here). Remasters are literally just an uprezzed version of an old game, such as Skyrim and TLOU have been doing for years, however, Remakes on the other hand SHOULD be considered for GOTY as they change the game to a new format, add new content, and change the play style, such as the Final Fantasy VII Remake series, Resident Evil 2 and 3 Remakes, and the Silent Hill Remake that just came out. Yes, they tell mostly the same story, but in entirely new ways. Nobody can say that those aren't entirely new games.
Edited to add that Metaphor and Rebirth are both fantastic games and I honestly cannot decide at this time(still very early in Metaphor) which I'd vote for, but it's definitely out of those 2 for me.
Metaphor: refantazio or final fantasy imo deserve this
Palworld hasn’t actually launched fully yet, they’re still in pre-release. That’s why the game isn’t finished obviously
Outlaws was fine, and its getting better with updates. It didnt really get nominated for anything crazy.
dlc’s should be mentioned in goty , in my opinion.
game developers cant be mad if a dlc is better than their core game.
DLC should have its own category. IMO game of the year should be strictly reserved for new games.
Metaphor deserves all the categories it in
Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree
Unironically Balatro should win GOTY. One of the best gameplay experiences I've ever encountered. The nextfest demo on its own was better than many full games.
It’s not even close to Ff7 rebirth nothing else is
@@ziegfeld4131 I enjoyed FF7 Rebirth a lot. FF7R2 has a lot of good moments and great twists on the original classic. But as a game, meant to be played for gameplay, Balatro is better.
@@thecactusman17 Nah, I didn't even hear of Balatro until it's nomination at the game awards. While I found it fun when I tried it, I didn't find it to be great as a card game, I didn't find it good enough to be in GOTY. There are other games more deserving to be there in my opinion.
@@ziegfeld4131Rebirth is bogged down by its boring ass filler side content.
16:37 This is why I watch Cross. He knows peak without a doubt
LETS GO METAPHOR PLAYTHROUGH
How do the nominees even get chosen?
eldenring deserves to win again i enjoyed the dlc ssoooo much more then the base game. wukong was very good but also the gameplay and world exploration was so mid. i cant bring myself to finishing it as i beat all the fights easily with the same attack spam every time. last boss i beat was that stunning looking fight against a white dragon on a frozen lake. i just wish it would have been a harder more engaging fight as it really was beautiful but it was over in 2 attempts. idk man, boring gameplay to me but good for you if you enjoyed it
It’s gonna be tight man imo. BMW, FFR, ER:SOTE and Metaphor were all bangers definitely an RPG year apparently . . . I guess ER and BMW are closer to souls likes but still a good selection. And FFR may have came out to early and lost some of its hype. I love all of them.!
If Elden ring DLC got nominated then Final Shape also should
Balatro is like CRACK. Doesn't matter that it's a card game or not.
I love shadow of the erdtree but from the perspective of not putting dlcs as goty, i think it should go to wukong. But I 100% prefer shadow of the erd tree
Arcane is without a doubt the absolute best Animated show on that list! 💯❤🔥❤💕
I play a bunch of mobile legends. Would love to see content
The easiest way to make the GOTY vote matter is to put EVERY GAME AND DLC out there. Vote for whatever you want to be the GOTY. Most votes win. Simple.
Nothing brings me life like thinking Cross screaming YAAAAAHHHHHH very time faker made a play at worlds
This debate about DLCs has been going on for a while. Now we get remasters and remakes all the time aswell. Here's a thought
They have 29 fucking categories. Fucking 29. Add 3 more for each corresponding type of game. Too much work? Aight add just one with all 3 of em inside and call it "Best Reintegration" or something.
Plus now we got 30 categories and the OCD attack is quenched.
You're welcome Geoff that'll be 20.000$ + 25% of this category's annual profit, you can wire it to my bank account.
Shadow of the Erdtree all day. Clears all other nominees easily.
Slaves to comparison.
Some people eat goats, some people milk goats, some people stick to cows, both give you cheese
I think remakes of older games should be considered. FF7 is almost 30 years old at this point.
2:05 What does this comment even mean? Yes, Destiny players actively deny themselves some of the greatest gaming experiences ever because they're busy grinding Grandmaster Nightfalls for a perk roll Bungie has unknowingly bugged to devastate drop rates, or running holiday events that haven't changed in half a decade or more, or running their 50th raid because "lol exotics lol" and Bungie has, in 10 years, NOT realized that teams should get the same loot and that it's immensely frustrating to not get something that your entire squad gets.
HOPEFULLY people play more games that "the D2 crowd wouldn't main." That's where the GOOD games are.
It's literally a looter shooter and that's why people get different loot. Also like you said it was a bug and wasn't intentionally. Accidents happen. Even tho you don't like it for what it is destiny is a good game.
@cerebralassassin2185 1) Destiny is not a good game and I'm tired of people pretending it is. If you like it, great. I've loved trash games in my life. Just admit it for what it is.
2) I called Bungie out for not knowing about the bug. Was it unintentional? Maybe. We don't know that. They've purposefully fudged numbers before, they were busted doing it. The BIGGER problem is their extreme lack of QA that allowed this bug to plague drop rates likely for YEARS.
Yes Destiny is a looter shooter...repetition, grind, farm, all those things come with the territory. But one reason so many people can't stand this genre is because of how overwhelmingly disappointing those aspects are. Games like this NEED to respect your time, and Destiny has gone 10 years actively, consciously, willfully and purposefully disrespecting every single player's time. They were doing that BEFORE "weightgate," and now that we see Bungie's ineptitude front and center...the proof is undeniable.
And yet...folks like yourself continue to misframe it, defend Bungie loyally, and blind yourself to the truth.
Stop. Making. Excuses. For. Them.
Five hearts under one roof... cross lol when??😂😂😂
I do believe that this year GOTY nominations are quite possibly the best it could be. We have an indie card game, a DLC, a Remake, a turn base RPG and a Triple A not made by one of the usual suspects.
Now, should a DLC be nominated? F*ck yeah it should! If the game that won GOTY before drops a DLC so good that it also get a nomination for GOTY then of course it deserves to compete! Same for a Remake! And an Indie card game! And a non-mainstream genre like a turn base rpg!
I'll go even further by saying that if the Final Shape had come out being a masterpiece of an expansion it should have also gone up there for nomination. It should be all about quality, doesn't matter the form. That way other games like D2, Warframe, No Man Sky or many other games out there should strive for GOTY every year.
I dont know anyone who played through wukong, most played for a couple hours and stopped because the combat just wasn't what they wanted out of that style of game.
People are yapping bc they don't want to see elden ring win another GOTY, Shadow of erdtree was damn near a whole new game, you could fr cut out vanilla elden ring, leave only shadow of the erdtree and still charge 45-60 bucks and nobody would complain.
DLC should only be considered if the work put into it was sizeable, in this case I think Shadow of the Erdtree 100% deserves a GOTY nominee spot
DLC should have their own category
Remakes and Remasters should not get any praise (look at what infinity ward did to the MW series...)
This thing of rehashing stuff is a tumor in the gaming world. We need to get this out
Has he even played remake? Or reunion?
WHY IS MY GAME NOT WINNING
*looks inside
*ps only
Did he already played Metaphor ?
Best expansion should be another category and remove remakes, remasters, rebirths or DLCs from game of the year. It should be brand new to the scene