This Sun Shade Sail Install is Going Strong 3 Years Later - What I've Learned
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- Here we review my original sun shade install designs, which are holding up great, but I've also made some improvements that work even better.
Here's the original video: • Sun Shade Sail Install...
Here is a Sun Shade Sail better than the one I'm using: amzn.to/3HmwhLY
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Thank you for the video; it gave me a lot to think about. Everything I'm seeing shows promise in my endeavor to reduce the AC bill during the hot summer months. This sun shade sail cover over our bedroom roof area has the potential to greatly increase our comfort. Our home is single-story, and my idea is to use this sun shade sail material to extend from the roof ridge down to a pair of poles on the ground. This way, it will cover the west side portion of the roof and window area from noon to late afternoon. Taking the baking sun off the asphalt roof shingles alone should cool our bedroom down in the afternoons.
All of the above makes sense to me. I would like to see someone talk about how solar panels cooled their roofs, seems most have an air gap... Let me know how your idea turns out.
I have been testing some ideas on how to cool windows in the summer, stay tuned for that video coming soon.
@@MakeItorBreakItNow I was thinking it wouldn't parralel the roof slope but taper out to clear a bunch of vent pipes. I would have to keep clearance from roof just to make it work. Solar panels get hot up there for sure. I wish Elon did electronic transition glass shingle instead of his solar system.
Just like in sailing, reducing friction and supporting stress points is precisely the right thing to do. Good on those clips! Now learn how to back braid that bitter end and it will look sharp! Also pick up some general non-slip knots like the bowline.
Good points, I know the bowline and actually used it later when I modded the installation.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience!!!
Rita, you're welcome. Still going strong, here's the year 4 video: th-cam.com/video/qHS3AH6pyWM/w-d-xo.html
I hooked two corners with the same spring clips. The other two I set up tautlines that connected to the sail. Tied the other ends to my fence and shed. Cotton rope allows it to stretch in high winds but I can use the knot to periodically tighten up. I’m sure that I will have to replace the rope every couple years.
Wow, some interesting suggestions. Thanks for sharing.
9-month update: Nope! Recent "microburst" storm (brief 80-mph winds) wrecked my deck's Shade Sail System. Recommended 10-ft. galvanized conduit metal poles bent to nearly 45-degrees, one split open. Storm was sudden-- no time to lower sails, alas. Now rebuilding w/ SQUARE 1-1/2-inch 10-gauge steel 8-ft. Poles. Will design new System at a low enough height to remove Sails QUICKLY for fast storms (w/out wasting time to grab step stool). How to "best" attach square poles to these 4x4 treated lumber Deck Uprights?
Interesting, I've not had an damage yet like that, and had micro bursts. This year I installed springs and quick releases can be used for sure. Here's the update: th-cam.com/video/EKXiLfADU8I/w-d-xo.html
@@MakeItorBreakItNow Hey THANKS for reply. I'm still enjoying the bulk of your great design. I'm going to re-build my shade canopy using what you avoided originally: I'm going to erect two 4x4 x 16-ft. Treated Lumber Poles, a couple feet removed from the Deck's corners. That way I can get "more shade" than by attaching them as Galvanized 1-in. Poles directly to the Deck's Uprights. I was told that the microburst storm that broke my metal poles might have placed 2-Tons of force on my Sails. I will bury the 4x4x16s in 4-5-ft. of cement, w/ 3-in. pea gravel in bottom of hole. ADDED BENEFIT: I can use this pair of 4x4x16s to hang shade cloths over my raised-bed garden next to my Deck. I appreciate your ideas!
Think about using a truckers hitch to tighten your lines.
That could work. Here's what I changed up this year: th-cam.com/video/EKXiLfADU8I/w-d-xo.html
Great video! Very informative and hilarious 😂 in a dad joke kinda way. Currently trying to set up a tarp and we were struggling, hopefully this'll help
Tia, Good luck! Yeah, can't help it. I'm a Dad. You might like new video where we build a steel gazebo: th-cam.com/video/nU1NgdZ3P6o/w-d-xo.html
The candy candy as your pointer 😂 christmas willy wonka teaching us home diy
Yes indeed, if you like that pointer you're going to really like these: th-cam.com/video/96rwJ-oTIvQ/w-d-xo.html
This is an awesome and really helpful video. I appreciate the "Follow up!"
Anytime. You'll find all sorts of crazy build and projects on my channel.
THANK YOU! You saved me a ton of $$$ and time, not having to buy 4x4 lumber and tons of concrete, no digging holes. Metal conduit brilliant idea, easy install. God bless you!
You're welcome docjody, always glad to help. You might also be interested in this video: th-cam.com/video/Cj_g47tRYww/w-d-xo.html putting up LED lights using a similar concept.
metal and lightning??
My guess is it's holding up well probably because it's made of nylon instead of polyester. Both are different despite being synthetic products. That include reacting differently toward water. I've learn that by selling backpacking gears (including tents) years ago. Polyester is more common nowadays because it's cheaper...
That apply to the rope material...
BTW, you can learn from peoples that use tarps in backpacking. Not about material but tying and water management, etc.
Good points Tony, thanks for sharing.
You are very creative with the pole ....i like that !!!! Diy...Diy....
Thank you! 😊I just put the same sails up last weekend, now on year 5. I made a couple changes, stay tuned for the new video coming soon.
Thanks Dad. ❤
okay...
@@MakeItorBreakItNow Lol
Just saying. I watched almost this whole video, and all I could think after I watched most of it was “Thanks Dad.”
Very insightful, just like my Dad would have showed and explained to me. ❤
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Use chain for longevity
Good suggestion, although I jsut finished up year 4 and only replaced one line with paracord. If I get 5 years out of these sails I'll be happy.
I hate it when youtubers use the incorrect names of things. Drives me crazy! The "spring clips" he refers to at 1:11 in the video are called "Carabiners" This particular type is called a "Snap Carabiner". Hope this helps if you are looking for these at a hardware store.
Thanks for the feedback, always appreciated.
Cool ideas! Did you use EMT or rigid conduit?
EMT conduit, hollow on the inside.
Do you have a video on a gazebo? I want to put it on my deck, but not sure if I have to bolt it to my deck. Some of my deck wood is old. I wanted to know what is best a sail shade or gazebo.
Funny you should ask, here is my gazebo video: th-cam.com/video/nU1NgdZ3P6o/w-d-xo.html It's not bolted down on my deck, its pretty heavy and made to last.
Well, the less comments were six and eight months ago or seven whatever guess I’m late to the game but anyway, those would only last about one year here in Tucson the sun would destroy it after year, and it would start ripping and disintegrating, so I finally went with a metal roof and I made a little post and 2 x 4 frame to hold it up kinda like a carportworks great
Interesting. Agree the Tucson sun is hot for sure.
U should’ve used the ratchet anchor attachment
okay, thanks for the suggestion.
Thank you
Tina, you're welcome, the sails are still going strong. I have LED lighting video I will be updating this installation you might be interested in: th-cam.com/video/Cj_g47tRYww/w-d-xo.html
How do you clean them?
The rain seems to take care of that. Amazing really how well nature cooperates in this area. Eating my garden and plants, not so much. The sails also terrify squirrels and birds, they avoid them like the plague...
Brilliant!!..Mastermind!!🧠
Thanks, this design seems to holding up well, I just took them down after the fourth year. Think I might get a 5th year out of the set...
Why didn’t you just buy the hanging connector kit for the shade sail? Also, you can the shade sail with reinforced “D” loops at the attachment points and use stainless cabling. This would have simplified your installation and durability.
Thanks Frank. Good points, maybe I'll do the D loops for the next set of sails. Wanted to try a simplier installation forst that others could more easily follow. I did use steel cabling on my LED strings though...th-cam.com/video/Cj_g47tRYww/w-d-xo.html
@@MakeItorBreakItNow I think your explanation was very straight forward and I like how you did your patio lights. Will definitely try this. Thanks for the reply.
Outstanding
Thanks Cindy, you might also like this video on deck lighting: th-cam.com/video/Cj_g47tRYww/w-d-xo.html
I'll have a follow on video on how to control these lights.
you can come over and help me get my sail right - your poles are genius - nothing seems to fit our present structure. What sort of poles did you use?
one inch electrical conduit pipe from Home Depot, not a sponsor, Lowes has them too, pretty much any store that has electrical DIY project stuff.
I would not recommend thin electrical pole. I used that originally and they bend in the wind. I suggest a sturdier regular steel pole. Sorry I don't have the guages but you don't want a lot of flex
Good job!
Thanks Amy!
Hi, so I'm a don't want to wait for a man to doi kinda woman 😅 and try and do lots... however this bolt into side of house part I can't wrap my head around. Is there a specific spot for side of the house and how does it work for a 2 story home. I have aluminum rod fence perimeter and a 10ft tree about 10' away from house and center of yard. Could you please tell me what I'm looking for as the perfect spot and how difficult is it to get the eye bolt in? Thank you for your help
First of all, good for you, like your attitude! I'm tying into the wood under my main roof called the soffit. There should be some structure there to tie into. I wouldn't put an eye bolt into the tree. You could just wrap the line around the trunk at whatever level you desired.
Would a post cemented in a wooden half barrel be able to hold up a sun shade? The other sides would be attached to a pergola.
I would think so. This design works spite the critics who have posted negative comments here. Being an aerospace engineer, and sailer, I design things differently than most. Because the shades are perforated to some extent, they don't carry the wind load as other materials would, hense limited reason to over design as some have with these...
That is the solution i use, although you will still need at least on guy wire going to the ground to get enough tension on the sail and to avoid having the barrel fall over during winds. Also, i ended up having to switch from standard yard stakes to the anchor types uses with trampolines because i have higher winds in my yard.
Please let me know ...what is the size of the eye screw you used?
I want to use stainless steel with a large enough eye...long enough to hold.
Also...I am placeing 10' EMT Counduit and will drill a few holes. What size eyebolt /washer /nut should I buy?
Thank you
Paula, The eyebolts I used were 5/16in X 4 in. 5/16 inch hardware both washers and nuts. Here's my original video with those details: th-cam.com/video/is590oV_PLE/w-d-xo.html
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THANK YOU ..
I am ordering my materials now👍
@@ocean1233 good luck, let me know how it turns out for you.
Where did u get the poles?
Any place that sells steel confuit, Home Depot is where I got these, but you can also get at Lowes.
Good video
Thanks, one of my favorite movies BTW, even if some people don't get it...
Learn how to use a sail on a sailboat. The material used on a sailboat can stand heavy windforce.
D.J. van der Meer, agree, I've sailed all sorts of boats big and small, but all the sails were pretty strong, except for spinnakers, I've seen those shred by the dozen on certain races...
@@MakeItorBreakItNow I only sail on small boats (Falcon) on Dutch lakes with a jib and main sail but yes the spinnakers are easily gone. But they get a lot when sailing by the lee.
@@d.j.vandermeer3832 yes they do, its great to feel a boat go up on plane with a spinnaker. Tacking can be fun too.
Electrical fish tape will last over 10 years in strong sun all day. I have used it in my yard and still going strong over 16 years. Thanks.
Great idea, thanks for sharing. I used this galvanized wiring on my lights and its also holding up great. th-cam.com/video/Cj_g47tRYww/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for sharing I live in DallasTX the sun 🌞 is no joke here
What brand and size?
I don't think brand matters but 1/2 inch is thick enough. I myself have 3/4 inch tape and that can handle lot of weight.
What exactly are you using Electrical Fish Tape for in this system?
wrapping the pole does nothing to increase the stiffness of that support… NOTHING
okay, thanks.
Yes that was funny when he said that cracked me up 😂
I'm not an engineer but I don't see the rope being wrapped around the pole adding any strength to the conduit, maybe you can explain the added strength? Great video Sir!
Thanks for your question. Its a compression thing along a distributed load. I'll have to search my books and see if I can get a more technical answer.
@@MakeItorBreakItNow Very interesting, thanks for the quick answer!
I had people telling me, these might not be that durable, you just convinced me otherwise, thanks !
Yup, they're holding up grea, this is the 4th season so far...
True shade sail tutorial!
Thanks Sannu!
If you replace the natural rope with steel cable or synthetic rope they will last much longer.
Dixon Cider, very true. The sails came with synthetic rope. Steel cable ends can be a different level of DIY for some, But to your point chain would work also...
Use ropes from sailboat sails . They don’t stretch and are sun resistant.
Appreciate the close-up & description of basic parts. You might want to slow down & show the assembled parts longer for us beginners. Thank you, video is very helpful.
Maria, thanks for the feedback. Will be updating my LED lighting and will slow down just like you suggested. Here's that video see what you think. th-cam.com/video/Cj_g47tRYww/w-d-xo.html
@Maria Baumgartel There are times in many videos when I wish the presenter would move slower and also sometimes faster-- I click the cogwheel at the bottom right of the video and change the "playback speed"-- experiment with that if you haven't, it's been a game-changer for me.
Before I mounted I added leather straps to the hook area in other words I on the 12th tape I put leather straps over it and sewed the attachment directly to the shade sale so they had that reinforcement that has made a huge difference
That would be over the twill tape
wow, great idea, thanks for sharing!
good video. This Mechanical Engineer wants to see the Free Body Diagram on how wrapping a mast can possibly add significant strength or stiffness to the mast. ;-)
FBD, now that's not a term I've heard for a while, thanks for the memory, brings me back to my flight test days...
You might also like this video where I added multicolor LED lights to this deck a month or so ago: th-cam.com/video/Cj_g47tRYww/w-d-xo.html
Great tips - helped me out beyond comprehension. TY
Cal C. Glad it was helpful! You might be interested in this video, its the newest addition to our deck: th-cam.com/video/nU1NgdZ3P6o/w-d-xo.html
A great tip is to use trampoline springs. It will allow the sail to stay taught, but also in crazy winds it gives it a little play and then snaps it back in place.
That's a great idea, thanks for sharing. I might try installing those this year.
Did a great easily understandable job however I was looking for how to measure the sail needed.
It depends, use the square ft of the area you're covering and add 20% if you want an overhang...
Some useful ideas. Many thanks!
You're welcome Barry, thanks for leaving a comment.
I came looking for the best shade nets , the ones I get are all junk , where did you get this one at ??
COSTCO, but they also sell similar one on Amazon, here is a Sun Shade Sail better than the one I'm using: amzn.to/3HmwhLY
you'd want to Cap the galvanized post or water Will fill up inside and rust will weaken and eventually snap with tension
I thought about it, but the poles are not sealed on the bottom so the water runs straight through.
Do you think Tposts would be an acceptable alternative to the pipes? I need to sink them into dirt.
Are talking about something like this: amzn.to/40fazS2
I yes then I'd say sure if you got them long enough. I used these post in a grape arbor and then attached the conduit to this to compliment their strengths...
@@MakeItorBreakItNow okay cool - I’d actually use the heartier cousin of that kind. They don’t have the U or the holes. Thank so much! This will save us a lot of money and give a lot of relief on a south-facing porch!
Hey mate! I'm thinking about attaching a pole to a 1.7m timber fence post. The pole would add 0.7m above the fence. I'm told by construction store staff that the fence post isn't strong enough for that. But your setup looks like it has even less foundation strength than that and it's clearly working. Do you think my fence would be fine and not experience bend over time?
If your fence post is tied into a fence similar to my railing you should be fine. I'm an aerospace engineer by profession so I know a bit about structures, particulary lightweight but strong structures. occassionally I'll get comments that my rig won't work and it will fail. Well +4 years later and its going strong and looks as good as it did on day 1. And trust me its been tested by 60-80 mph winds, hail, gusts and still going strong.
I’m always amazed at videos like this. I mean this guy must have seen other examples of properly installed sail shades. He must have noticed the difference in quality between his debacle and a real craftsman. Yet he’s still talks into the camera like he’s some sort of competent craftsman. Amazing
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I have an all metal roof that heats up my house beyond belief. Using paint is just too much for me, I'm 78 years old. But, I need to cover my roof with something to block the sun that will last for years. My roof is about 35X40 feet. I am looking for something economical. The sun here in the Philippines is relentless.
These could work. In that level of sun exposure they might only last a year or two though, but probably worth is. Love the Philippines BTW, a wonderful place.
Would this system work on a terrace hit by high wind? I can't install a "real" gazebo to the terrace with bolts and such. I can't even put barrels! I thought to tie poles to the rail, but I am told a sail would fly everything out. So, I thought to put a series of smaller "slices" of cloths to provide shade but let the wind go through. Am I completely off track ?!
I think it would work, this setup has been hit by winds over 70 mph, hail, and tons of rain and are still going strong: th-cam.com/video/TWK4CpoxonU/w-d-xo.html
Flex in the wind is not recommended by any producers I've checked. It might work fine with non-rain proof sail, because the wind can just got through at least partially. But rain proof sail could flap around a lot, that's supposed to be more damaging than if you pull the lines more.
Good points. These are sun shades, not rain proof.
Great video, thanks! Is this set up winter proof?
Yes, it is! Depending on where you live and how much snow you get. We leave ours out from March through late November most years...
But what state u live at
East Coast
Brilliant. Those metal Conduits, for some odd reason, look greater than 1-in. in diameter. Can you provide Specs such that I buy the correct type? Thank you!
Thanks, interesting. I just went out with some calipers and remeasured, 1.1695 inches. I recall on metal conduit the 1" refers to the inner diameter of the pipe.
Either there is no wind where you live, or this was just put up for the video. Those stays wouldnt hold up in a mild wind.
Well the evidence proves otherwise. This setup has seen winds in excess of 60 mph several times and we regularly experience winds in the 20-25 mph range... 4 years and still going strong.
Can you make a video on how you built the camera rig at the 9:20 mark? Thanks.
Thanks for the suggestion, stay tuned you should see the video soon.
What type of poles are you using and how far down do you put them in the ground??
1 inch steel conduit, none of the poles are in the ground. Thy're mounted on the deck railings. The first video goes more into the construction. th-cam.com/video/is590oV_PLE/w-d-xo.html
What a mess too much rigging but it works !!
Thanks for your comment. We all have our ways of doing things for sure.
great info, cool ideas (pun intended)... and the background music of your first video on this topic is not missed. Much better without it!
Thanks for the feedback, I'm only using music at the end of my videos now. Trends seem to change over time...
@@MakeItorBreakItNow Yours wasn't bad, it's just better without the unnecessary background music, I like the trend now, good job.
How does that work in the rain. Does the water pool in the center?
Jenny, if you slant the sail downward a little as it should be the water will run off the sail and not collect. It should not be flat at all 4 corners so the slope is what allows the draining. Also the tighter the sail is the better it will drain off as well. Hope this helps.
Jenny, agree on all the above. Also through the season you might have to tighten the lines a bit.
What size poles did you use, what's thickness
Frank, 1 inch diameter metal conduit. Here is the original video where I built the system: th-cam.com/video/is590oV_PLE/w-d-xo.html
Interesting
Thanks Sharon, its still going strong at 5 years: th-cam.com/video/EKXiLfADU8I/w-d-xo.html
I am in the middle of installing a couple of these and have been reading a lot on how to do it. Your conduit attachment points are not close to what is recommended. You claim this system works but I don’t see your leaning metal pipe staying secure on even a breezy day. If you are installing one of these sails I recommend reading material from other sources and decide for yourself how to proceed. I would not feel safe under these sails on a gusty day, likely get smacked in the face by a spring clip or strangled by a piece of broken rope.
The proof is here, working on year five, these had endured heavy hail several times and wind gusts up over 70 miles an hr well over a dozen times and still look as good as the day I installed them.
A bit dramatic. Geezus. 🙄
That’s some final destination stuff
Epic response 😂@@seabass22
🎉 thanks
you're welcome.
Awesome job
Thanks Randy. I'm really pleased with this sail installation. You might also be interested in the LED lighting I added last year. th-cam.com/video/Cj_g47tRYww/w-d-xo.html
Thx
Deb Deb, you're welcome. Thanks for the comment.