Impressive. Excellent to see such 'masters' of bonsai in action. The discussion at the end of the video was a very good addition. Pity that Nigel didn't listen or fully understand the perspective elements discussed. More of these videos please. Thank you.
I watched the video about five times and I did fully understand what they were trying to say. The problem is that the tree doesn't reflect the words they try to express. The deadwood is all wind blown to the left, yet the foliage counter balances the dead wood to the right. The two elements contradict themselves. The deadwood suggests the vigor of the tree is on the left, but the green growth is to the right, yet no major branches have grown in that direction. Putting a groomed mushroom top on a wild tree with a lot of driftwood is the final insult in taming this wild element of nature. There is no right or wrong in creating a bonsai, it is just my opinion. What appeals to me may be quite different from everyone else. I like trees to look like a miniature versions of full size trees. I also like to read the tree and understand the story of how it got shaped the way it did.
I realize many trees have branches that go against the wind, but major trunks like the ones on this tree suggest the tree has grown for most of it's life growing happily to the left, then.....suddenly conditions change and the foliage is stronger on the opposite side. It could be justified by imagining avalanche damage, but what ever killed off the major trunks on the left would also have killed off the skinny branch on the left too. The deadwood on the bottom left is too long for this scenario anyway. Thanks for your response, I would love to look at any tree photos!
I admit I'm no "Expert" at bonsai or art, and To be sure, I'm not Italian! However, I look at this tree, and my breath is taken away. Period. It does not beg to be explained for me. It does not ask that we understand the mechanics of it's design, or the reason for branch number 11's existence. I have spent, well, not as much time as some, and more than others looking in the mountains and viewing the wonder that is to be seen there- Well, this bonsai is a magnificent success, and to call it anything else, FOR ME, shows a lack of truly understanding the art at the heart of the process.I like my trees to look like tree's, but I believe that this tree was an unmitigated success and is absolutely the tree it needed to be.I would LOVE to know how to pot something like that- having worked with Marco some though, I can assure anyone reading that has NOT worked with him, this tree was designed absolutely with that in mind from the very beginning- We can't see this right now, and that's ok. I'm sure the tree is not destined to be potted the next day.... Roots will develop, the design is there. Trust..
Oscar, have you ever considered making a video re-visiting these fabulous demo trees 6 months, a year later? I would love to see how the nebari looks re-potted at that angle. Thanks!
So did Kimura give his opinion of there work ,I think it would have been interesting to here what he had to say about this tree and see if it got a tumbs up or did they get spanked ?
The foundation of the tree is in the roots. The root base for this tree has grown in a flat plane in the pot at the original angle it was planted at. Tilting the tree at this stage in it's life seems counter-productive. I'm trying to imagine the pot and the root base after re potting. Is half the nebari on the inside going to be buried, or is the outer side going to be exposed? Either way the rotted trunk in the center is going to be a problem. It will either get buried or be hanging in mid air. The root base is not going to look established. The foundation is crumbling. Further up the tree, the main trunk line is now parallel to the ground. Horizontal lines in a tree don't look natural, trees grow upwards toward the light, what would make the main trunk of a mature tree grow horizontal? From horizontal, the tree takes a turn 90 degrees and grows straight up. There are some flowing lines to the tree, but the overall impression is a non graceful 90 degree kink Bending foliage around to simulate structure to the tree and it's branches is a commercial trick to sell collected bonsai. It gives the impression the branches were carefully grown over a long period of time. It gives the tree an instant finished look, without having any real structure to the trunk and branches. To me this is the worst insult to a beautiful tree. Just because you have the skill and knowledge to bend limbs any way you want, doesn't mean they should be bent in the first place. All the talk about a wind swept tree is just talk, the canopy is styled like a peaceful symmetrical tree that grew in a park. The driftwood and the cascading branch on the left make a strange triangle that just adds heavy mass to the part of the tree that needs to be light. That heavy looking cascading deadwood is equal in weight to the part of the trunk that goes upward. My eye is torn between going up the tree or down the cascade. I just feel there was a better solution for this beautiful tree. I have to give it a thumbs down on artistic style and a big thumbs up on mechanical bending of living tissue......Just my thoughts, Nigel
Nigel Saunders i agree with you on the "heavy looking cascading deadwood. I tried to draw this bonsai without it and bringing the lowest foliage pad a bit higher and closer to the trunk to highlight it and i think it works better. Amazing tree anyway, great work
The Japanese bonsai masterpieces always have something that transcends the pure miniaturized representation of a tree. They are always characterized by high degree of complexity. The attempt to explain, and to simplify and bring to known elementary schemes is ridiculous. The bonsai it is not a small tree on a reduced scale. The bonsai is an artistic representation of this tree.
Ridiculous, In your opinion. A bonsai to me is a miniature version of a tree from nature. The closer the tree looks to it's full size counterpart, the more successful the bonsai is. Plain and simple. The art comes from creating this image with a living tree. I wish I had another term for a miniature tree, like a "scaled down tree" or a "model tree", but there is no word that fits the description of a miniature tree, so I use the word bonsai. Do you like topiary, creating animals and shapes from trees and shrubs? These are created by artists and the trees aren't miniature versions of trees from nature. Your line "They are always characterized by high degree of complexity", what does that even mean? I am no expert on the training that apprentices receive, but I do question what they are taught. To me bonsai apprentices should be taught art first, and then the horticultural skills to put their art into practice with living trees. Have any of these four disciples even studied art? Are any of them naturally good at art? If you study art under a great artist, does this make you a great artist? Sorry, but I'm just sick and tired of "artistic style bonsai", just make the tree look like a tree! Nature has every shape and style to inspire you, without turning out "artistic" things. Again this is just my opinion, not my ridiculous opinion! Nigel
No it is not enough, people with art degrees designed the Pontiac Aztek, Being Italian doesn't mean you have special artistic skills or insights. Thank you for your reply, you haven't addressed any of the issues I have detailed above, just snapped back with your credentials. Maybe you are not used to criticism?
🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀 Olá, Boa Noite. Bonsai Empire. Amo a arte do manuseio do Bonsai. São lindas e frágeis. Árvores minúsculas, mas representando o papel forte de cada uma. Todas tem segredos, para com os seus cuidados. Como poda-las? Como arama- las? Cada galho, sendo cuidado com sabedoria. Um erro é tudo muda, não é assim? DEUS, os abençoe por essa arte linda. Sou de São Paulo, Brazil.
Beautiful design... the only negative ( IMHO ) about the video had to do with how many people were involved. It just looked to busy IMHO. To me i interpret the bonsai styling / cutting of a tree to be a personal thing, 1 on 1. All in all again, excellent design.
I have a question. Is it better to buy a young bonsai or a tree that is at least 10yr old, give or take a few years ? It just seems to be some what of a pain having to wait years for your tree to get to a point where you can start applying such methods to it.
How do I further develop my bonsai. I've got a tree thats about 2 years old. And I want it to have aerial roots, but they haven't come in yet. Any suggestions? Made a quick little video of my tree on my page if you want to see what I am working with.
Oui, dommage.en plus j'ai beaucoup de mal a imaginé la mise en pot et la gestion du futur neabari, complètement chamboulé avec le nouvel angle de l'arbre.
I'm conflicted when I see all the heavy bending of these mature trees. Was there no way to make this tree beautiful without all the major manipulation?? I am only a novice in bonsai so please excuse my ignorance. I actually like the very last view of the tree best.
Don't worry Sirs, trees don't have nervous system, they also could not feel pain. They just bring out the best look of the tree. Jus like in a barbershop.
There is a saying "too many cooks spoil the broth". I'm not saying the tree is not spectacular, it is an excellent beautiful tree. I feel just one of these outstanding Kimura apprentices would have made a more fluid design rather than mix/matching ideas from 4 brilliant bonsai masters. I cannot see Kimura designing a tree with 3 people having an equal share in the design. I give the tree an 8.5 out of 10.
In my opinion the planting angle of this tree shows the best part of this tree you could never make the after planting angle work in a real situation so I say this was an unsucesful styling of this material
it's so interesting to find out that not 1 but 4 disciples of the best bonsai masters in the world haven't been able to figured out what seems to be know so well!!!! Please come and teach us how to work a tree like that propertly, would you?
Some good bending techniques used, that said I'm not a huge fan of rushing with such good material for the sake of a demo. I think much more time should have been taken and much more consideration of the best options for the final design. That's personally why I don't really like demos as they rarely if ever end up with the best possible tree at the end of the exercise. Additionally, with such outstanding starting materiel and so much growth to work with you'd have to be near incompetent to not end up with at least a pretty nice looking tree.
Ide yang luar biasa dalam pembentukan bonsai. Sangat menginspirasi👍good job and good team
Impressive. Excellent to see such 'masters' of bonsai in action. The discussion at the end of the video was a very good addition. Pity that Nigel didn't listen or fully understand the perspective elements discussed. More of these videos please. Thank you.
I watched the video about five times and I did fully understand what they were trying to say. The problem is that the tree doesn't reflect the words they try to express. The deadwood is all wind blown to the left, yet the foliage counter balances the dead wood to the right. The two elements contradict themselves. The deadwood suggests the vigor of the tree is on the left, but the green growth is to the right, yet no major branches have grown in that direction. Putting a groomed mushroom top on a wild tree with a lot of driftwood is the final insult in taming this wild element of nature. There is no right or wrong in creating a bonsai, it is just my opinion. What appeals to me may be quite different from everyone else. I like trees to look like a miniature versions of full size trees. I also like to read the tree and understand the story of how it got shaped the way it did.
May I provide you with lots of pictures in which the branches of windswept tree grow against the wind flow?
I realize many trees have branches that go against the wind, but major trunks like the ones on this tree suggest the tree has grown for most of it's life growing happily to the left, then.....suddenly conditions change and the foliage is stronger on the opposite side. It could be justified by imagining avalanche damage, but what ever killed off the major trunks on the left would also have killed off the skinny branch on the left too. The deadwood on the bottom left is too long for this scenario anyway. Thanks for your response, I would love to look at any tree photos!
marco bonsai Ma non perdere neanche tempo con gente così...X me siete i migliori del mondo 👌🏼❤️ great job as usual !
I admit I'm no "Expert" at bonsai or art, and To be sure, I'm not Italian! However, I look at this tree, and my breath is taken away. Period. It does not beg to be explained for me. It does not ask that we understand the mechanics of it's design, or the reason for branch number 11's existence. I have spent, well, not as much time as some, and more than others looking in the mountains and viewing the wonder that is to be seen there- Well, this bonsai is a magnificent success, and to call it anything else, FOR ME, shows a lack of truly understanding the art at the heart of the process.I like my trees to look like tree's, but I believe that this tree was an unmitigated success and is absolutely the tree it needed to be.I would LOVE to know how to pot something like that- having worked with Marco some though, I can assure anyone reading that has NOT worked with him, this tree was designed absolutely with that in mind from the very beginning- We can't see this right now, and that's ok. I'm sure the tree is not destined to be potted the next day.... Roots will develop, the design is there. Trust..
I DO NOT KNOW IF IT'S A PERFECT JOB, BUT IT'S LIKE MAKING MAGIC, CONGRATULATIONS.
Oscar, have you ever considered making a video re-visiting these fabulous demo trees 6 months, a year later? I would love to see how the nebari looks re-potted at that angle. Thanks!
I would like to, yes - but I'm not around the trees :)
Amazing work of art
Wow such a great art, such a great tree. Bonsai fan from Yemen
Bravo!!! Well done!!! A good team!!!
Wow. He has taught them so much, so well x
Good team
Amazing work. Well done
Loving the comment battle between @nigelsaunders and @marcobonsai
So did Kimura give his opinion of there work ,I think it would have been interesting to here what he had to say about this tree and see if it got a tumbs up or did they get spanked ?
Thank you Oscar! Awesome video!
The foundation of the tree is in the roots. The root base for this tree has grown in a flat plane in the pot at the original angle it was planted at. Tilting the tree at this stage in it's life seems counter-productive. I'm trying to imagine the pot and the root base after re potting. Is half the nebari on the inside going to be buried, or is the outer side going to be exposed? Either way the rotted trunk in the center is going to be a problem. It will either get buried or be hanging in mid air. The root base is not going to look established. The foundation is crumbling. Further up the tree, the main trunk line is now parallel to the ground. Horizontal lines in a tree don't look natural, trees grow upwards toward the light, what would make the main trunk of a mature tree grow horizontal? From horizontal, the tree takes a turn 90 degrees and grows straight up. There are some flowing lines to the tree, but the overall impression is a non graceful 90 degree kink Bending foliage around to simulate structure to the tree and it's branches is a commercial trick to sell collected bonsai. It gives the impression the branches were carefully grown over a long period of time. It gives the tree an instant finished look, without having any real structure to the trunk and branches. To me this is the worst insult to a beautiful tree. Just because you have the skill and knowledge to bend limbs any way you want, doesn't mean they should be bent in the first place. All the talk about a wind swept tree is just talk, the canopy is styled like a peaceful symmetrical tree that grew in a park. The driftwood and the cascading branch on the left make a strange triangle that just adds heavy mass to the part of the tree that needs to be light. That heavy looking cascading deadwood is equal in weight to the part of the trunk that goes upward. My eye is torn between going up the tree or down the cascade. I just feel there was a better solution for this beautiful tree. I have to give it a thumbs down on artistic style and a big thumbs up on mechanical bending of living tissue......Just my thoughts, Nigel
Nigel Saunders i agree with you on the "heavy looking cascading deadwood. I tried to draw this bonsai without it and bringing the lowest foliage pad a bit higher and closer to the trunk to highlight it and i think it works better. Amazing tree anyway, great work
The Japanese bonsai masterpieces always have something that transcends the pure miniaturized representation of a tree.
They are always characterized by high degree of complexity.
The attempt to explain, and to simplify and bring to known elementary schemes is ridiculous.
The bonsai it is not a small tree on a reduced scale.
The bonsai is an artistic representation of this tree.
Ridiculous, In your opinion. A bonsai to me is a miniature version of a tree from nature. The closer the tree looks to it's full size counterpart, the more successful the bonsai is. Plain and simple. The art comes from creating this image with a living tree. I wish I had another term for a miniature tree, like a "scaled down tree" or a "model tree", but there is no word that fits the description of a miniature tree, so I use the word bonsai.
Do you like topiary, creating animals and shapes from trees and shrubs? These are created by artists and the trees aren't miniature versions of trees from nature. Your line "They are always characterized by high degree of complexity", what does that even mean?
I am no expert on the training that apprentices receive, but I do question what they are taught. To me bonsai apprentices should be taught art first, and then the horticultural skills to put their art into practice with living trees. Have any of these four disciples even studied art? Are any of them naturally good at art? If you study art under a great artist, does this make you a great artist?
Sorry, but I'm just sick and tired of "artistic style bonsai", just make the tree look like a tree! Nature has every shape and style to inspire you, without turning out "artistic" things.
Again this is just my opinion, not my ridiculous opinion!
Nigel
I have not 1 but 3 degrees in art, including a Master in Design and I happen to be italian..... enough?
No it is not enough, people with art degrees designed the Pontiac Aztek, Being Italian doesn't mean you have special artistic skills or insights. Thank you for your reply, you haven't addressed any of the issues I have detailed above, just snapped back with your credentials. Maybe you are not used to criticism?
Que trilha sonora é essa muito linda
Team work makes the dream work. Hit "Like" if you agree.
Good Job Next Gen. Bonsai. Fabolous outcome.
Super :) Amazing job:)
🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀 Olá, Boa Noite. Bonsai Empire.
Amo a arte do manuseio do Bonsai. São lindas e frágeis.
Árvores minúsculas, mas representando o papel forte de cada uma. Todas tem segredos, para com os seus cuidados. Como
poda-las? Como arama- las?
Cada galho, sendo cuidado com sabedoria. Um erro é tudo muda, não é assim? DEUS, os abençoe por essa arte linda.
Sou de São Paulo, Brazil.
Beautiful design... the only negative ( IMHO ) about the video had to do with how many people were involved. It just looked to busy IMHO. To me i interpret the bonsai styling / cutting of a tree to be a personal thing, 1 on 1.
All in all again, excellent design.
Que diferencia tiene al usar alambre con usar ragia ??
Love it , amazing job !!
Amazing🥰🥰🥰👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Taiga always looks like he's wrestling a bear when he's working on trees.
I would love to see this tree re-potted at that angle, must be really hard to get it to look natural
Uapik tenan nek iki
I'm from Vietnam. What the material of the yellow string? Thanks.🇻🇳
Raphia or Palmyra Palm.
I have a question. Is it better to buy a young bonsai or a tree that is at least 10yr old, give or take a few years ? It just seems to be some what of a pain having to wait years for your tree to get to a point where you can start applying such methods to it.
Yes
beautiful
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The Planting angle is really hard to realise ....
Thats what I was thinking. But then again I've thought that before and they made it work
How do I further develop my bonsai. I've got a tree thats about 2 years
old. And I want it to have aerial roots, but they haven't come in yet.
Any suggestions? Made a quick little video of my tree on my page if
you want to see what I am working with.
MOS Stories depends on the species of tree. what is it?
dommage on n'a pas la traduction en français mes qui doit être faite en plus
Oui, dommage.en plus j'ai beaucoup de mal a imaginé la mise en pot et la gestion du futur neabari, complètement chamboulé avec le nouvel angle de l'arbre.
Nice one
裡面用的是什麼線
Great video! Hope you got some interviews with them at Bonsai San?
Yes, tonight you'll see Taiga in the Bonsai San movie
That's great to hear. Looking forward to it :) Thanks for giving those who couldn't be there a glimpse into the event :)
Sakura Moon
Sakura Moon
Sakura Moon
Teamwork!
Michael Tran chilling in the back ground at 10.52
I don't understand the angle, not that I am an expert or anything. Why a 45 degree angle?
They explain i late in the video
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bravo
Capolavoro
I'm conflicted when I see all the heavy bending of these mature trees. Was there no way to make this tree beautiful without all the major manipulation?? I am only a novice in bonsai so please excuse my ignorance. I actually like the very last view of the tree best.
Jim Roberts bonsai is more than meets the eye.
Jim Roberts also this is opportunity for students to show off their skills.
Find a new hobby
These are Kimura apprentices, he is a legend in the Bonsai circle and his trademark is bending and making ordinary tree into masterpieces.
Don't worry Sirs, trees don't have nervous system, they also could not feel pain. They just bring out the best look of the tree. Jus like in a barbershop.
Продолжайте в том же духе! Мне очень понравилось!
There is a saying "too many cooks spoil the broth". I'm not saying the tree is not spectacular, it is an excellent beautiful tree. I feel just one of these outstanding Kimura apprentices would have made a more fluid design rather than mix/matching ideas from 4 brilliant bonsai masters. I cannot see Kimura designing a tree with 3 people having an equal share in the design. I give the tree an 8.5 out of 10.
if you say you have 3 degrees in art you should have styled this tree without angling it, referring to nigel saunders comments
Huh?
The nice.
In my opinion the planting angle of this tree shows the best part of this tree you could never make the after planting angle work in a real situation so I say this was an unsucesful styling of this material
it's so interesting to find out that not 1 but 4 disciples of the best bonsai masters in the world haven't been able to figured out what seems to be know so well!!!! Please come and teach us how to work a tree like that propertly, would you?
Ellwoodbonsai
Some good bending techniques used, that said I'm not a huge fan of rushing with such good material for the sake of a demo. I think much more time should have been taken and much more consideration of the best options for the final design. That's personally why I don't really like demos as they rarely if ever end up with the best possible tree at the end of the exercise. Additionally, with such outstanding starting materiel and so much growth to work with you'd have to be near incompetent to not end up with at least a pretty nice looking tree.
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certo che figurone con gli occhiali da sole in testa, l'italiano deve sempre distinguersi
show
disciples....... someone thinks there important...
Nick Kellogg Kimura is only known to be the best bonsai artist to live so yeah, he's kind of important.
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