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I see where you are coming from but I have 2 things I disagree with 1. They can't have all Pokemon in every Pokemon game when about 30 to 60 Pokemon come out in ever gen 2. It's not exactly game freak who are making BDSP in is ILCA however there are some developers from game freak who are working on it
@@micflop3394 I agree with you and that we all knew eventually all pokemon wouldn’t be able to get all them in a game but the way pokemon went about it nd blatantly lie to us about why
Dude why do you hate Masters so much? The game is a neat gacha that isn't money hungry & it gives much needed voice acting to a series that lacks it. It also gave my wife Caitlin some love bit I digress.
The human models in Let's Go are simplified enough that the Pokemon scales well besides them but could still fit enough details in them unlike BDSP, which has another uncanny valley problem caused by not chibifying the Pokemon as well/scaling them properly because work. I actually like the 2D artworks that came out from the Gen 6 games as a result of their limitations, because they need to put more effort into the designs and poses (contrast that to the wack looking NPCs in Sword and Shield, or the Alola NPCs that look like they're designed from start to finish in 3D without the lifeness of 2D artwork)
Let's Go looks charming and works seamlessly between combat, overworld and cutscenes. BDSP looks cheap and it's so limiting they had use Gen 8 combat, further enhancing the contrast
Oh trust me, a lot of people will come to appreciate Bdsp once newer generations of Pokémon games continue to look progressively worse over time. I remember that a lot of the hate of the let’s go games usually came from people that either hated the art style or outright hated the fact that it was a mediocre kanto experience and a cash grab, but in reality; I believe the artistic value of the let’s go games were completely underappreciated and underrated and I believe the same is happening with bdsp, a lot of people didn’t appreciate the let’s go games for what they were and what they were trying to be and got a lot of unnecessary hate although some of that hate is justifiable like the Pokémon go catching mechanic and the huge lack of a post game but other then that, the let’s go games were underappreciated and are only now getting the appreciation it truly deserved despite how mediocre and stripped down the remakes were. I feel like bdsp may be in a very similar boat although bdsp has the potencial to surpass oras if it’s lore, story and post game is handled correctly and if they don’t cut corners and shorten the exploration factors of the caves and the routes and if they keep the nonlinearity of the original DPPT and add an interesting post game and bring back gym leader rematches in the same way the let’s go games did while allowing us to catch every gens 1-4 legendary and catch darkrai and shaymin and access the distortion world to meet giratina; if they can do all of this then bdsp is easily a better remake then oras, but if they don’t then it’s a worse remake then oras but may still constitute as a better game then oras but a worse remake then oras. Bdsp has the potencial to be both a good remake and a better game then oras but it also has the potencial to be a really awful remake in which oras is superior but a better overall game then oras. A game can be a really bad remake but could be a really good game at its core since its borrowing a lot from DP. For example, I believe DP are ranked way higher then oras, but I think bdsp will be ranked higher then DP despite being worse as a remake then oras is.
This graphics discussion has me worried about gen 5 remakes, I don't want my favorite region to look like BD/SP. I agree that the Let's Go games do have some pretty handsome graphics though.
I rather the Gen5 remake to never exist with how GF is now. They already muddled Gen4 fans' experience with their perma XP Share All, and I had no confidence that they suddenly listen to the fans and give us back the option to toggle it off.
@@rokurojapan1978 All modern RPGs handle experience this way. Universal exp share wasn't the issue with previous games, it was how poorly the experience was balanced around this new exp share. Getting rid of the option to toggle it off allows them to better balance the exp distribution of the game. Turning the exp share on/off in X&Y or Sun and Moon would completely break the experience distribution. There are a lot of things to complain about, universal exp share being the standard now isn't one of them.
@@Gatchu137 xp share all is not a problem. The problem is the lack of option. I played XY/ORAS/SM/USUM exclusively with xp share off for the main story because I craves a challenge when playing a game, and having the xp share all activate is hindering my way of playing the game. Therefore, when they removed the option to turn off xp share, I was completely turned off by the franchise. Why must everyone forced to use the xp share? Its just a simple toggle that they had for like 4 games... Why remove it? TL, DR: GF took away my way of enjoying the franchise when it can be just a simple toggle, and I forever hates them for it.
@@Gatchu137 plus, did u know why other modern RPG not being criticised by me for having xp share all? they had difficulty OPTIONS. Wonder why didn't Pokemon also learn from other modern RPG and give us a difficulty OPTION huh? As if they refuses to give us any leeway for options.....
@@rokurojapan1978 Exp share existed in previous games to allow you to have a functionally balanced team, in spite of the fact that only one of your pokemon was supposed to get experience. It was compensation for an already outdated system. Giving the team universal experience isn't inherently "easier". In a well-balanced game, having the experience share on or off should have NO IMPACT on whether it's harder or not. YOU SAY that you played with exp share off for the entirety of the 3DS lineup to make it harder, but it ONLY makes those games harder because the exp is poorly balanced in the first place. It, for whatever reason, increases the amount of overall experience you got, instead of just distributing it. That's poor balance. In the original Diamond and Pearl, if the enemies were around level 45, and I was constantly switching my team members around to distribute experience, then they would also be around level 45. Thus, if we have the party-wide experience share, and my team members are still around level 45 by that point in the game, how is that any easier? You're not realizing that party-wide experience doesn't HAVE to be easier, and therefore, a universal exp share isn't the issue. Poor exp balancing in the 3DS era of games was the issue.
Semi Chibi; my personal favorite. It feels like a natural evolution of the pixel art Nintendo was so good at. While a few corners were cut, it was PERFECT for the 3DS, and it allowed them to cut corners without seeming like lazy people. Full Realistic: Double edged sword. When it works, like in cutscenes, it REALLY WORKS. Seeing Ghetsis yell that he was gonna kill Lillie felt more impactful than in Black and White 2 because it looked like it was a real person telling a kid he was going to murder his best friend. But when it doesn’t…it really doesn’t. Like Pokémon being properly proportioned though. Semi Chibi: best choice for the Switch. It still lets you cut a few corners while being good enough for a home console, and just looks nice. (Also I LOVE what they did with Lance-) Chibi: we’re moving backwards. *STOP.*
I gave (and still give) a lot of shit to the Let's Go games but none of it was for the artstyle. I always thought it looked pretty good and really struck a balance between SM's realism and ORAS's cuteness. It's the most efficient for Gamefreak's annual game dumps without feeling too lazy. I feel like the con isn't big enough to write it off. There's a perfect amount of.....specific appeal that comes with Pokemon characters. Look at Lorelei and Chad Giovanni in this game. We'll be fine.
I will say I hope we have "official art" that are more realistic, because while I do agree it seems the most practical, I don't know how to feel if the new gen characters will have these proportions, hehe. I wonder what he would think about Temtem's attempt for example, it seems to have both realistic models in overworld and battles and yet is in a Let's Go style environment.
Ik a lot of people who gave the art style crap and are now starting to appreciate it after newer generations of games continuing to look progressively worse.
@Pabs not true at all, I remember the hate being so bad all over social media that people were complaining about the fact that it didn’t look realistic, it was until we saw how bad realistic Pokémon games actually look (when sword and shield. came out) that we wanted a return to the art style of Pokémon let’s go and XY, Omega ruby and alpha sapphire. And yes I saw people crapping on the art style because it wasn’t realistic enough until people realized why Pokémon is better suited for a cartoon art style or aesthetic and not realism. Infact a lot of people really love ken sugimori’s art style, a game made in that art style wouldn’t be so bad. Instead what we are getting is a realistic looking Pokémon game with crappy low res textures in the environments and lack of polish/rough around the edges and unfinished, why would anyone continue to accept a garbage game that looks like this? They should just return to mimicking ken sugimori’s art style or atleast have ken sugimori himself work in the art style of the game or have someone else mimick that art style.
9:33 Really, some people think characters don't look hot in Let's Go?, Erika & Sabrina both look hot in their HGSS sprites & artwork & Let's Go models and artwork.
Bro I was thinking the same thing. And that's not even mentioning the absolute *majesty* that is Let's Go Lorelei. Before LG I would not have given Lorelei much of a second thought but she got me sweating in this game (kind of ironic hor the ice speacialist though.)
5:02 The models' blockyness is only due to their original definition. You could make models with the same proportions but more polygons if you were making them for something beyond the 3DS.
Yeah, I would assume if you are making a game with these proportions for say a 1080p display, you are just gonna make models with smoother edges, but the same proportions.
The thing that bugs me most about BD/SP is just how jarring the shift from overly exaggerated map models to the realistically proportioned battle models is. Gen-6 pulled that dichotomy off way better with it's less exaggerated semi-chibi style. The Let's Go games are just gorgeous though. Not only because of the consistency between overworked and battle scenes, but I feel like they also just put a lot more effort and soul into the animations than either the Gen-7 or Gen-8 mainline games did.
Personally I wouldn’t consider SM/USUM and SWSH to have the same artstyle at all. SM is closer to XY and ORAS than it is to SWSH in my opinion. That being said, if I had to rank the artstyles LGPE > SWSH > XY > ORAS = SM/USUM > BDSP in my opinion and I say that as someone who likes BDSP’s artstyle. I think the Let’s Go games are the best 3D Pokemon has ever looked with SWSH as a close second. I’m not really a fan of ORAS’s character models and SM/USUM’s character models look good in battle/cutscenes but not so much in the overworld (Though it also depends on the characters. The player characters don’t look good at all but then you have characters like Lillie, Mallow, etc. who actually look good in battle despite the overworld models). I much prefer XY’s look among all the 3DS games. As for BDSP, while I like the look of the overworld I’m not a fan of the way it looks in battle. I’m still going to buy it because I don’t mind them being faithful remakes but I wish the battles and cutscenes looked better.
The best style is easily the 6th gen one... It's 3D but still "cartoony" enough to not cause that much immersion breaking like the absolute nightmare that is SwSd style
Sword and shield was only bad due to the complete lack of animation or any voice acting. It can be good if they actually put effort into it like every other Nintendo product did
@@compatriot852 Honestly couldn't care about the lack of voice acting. Barring situations where it REALLY seems like there should be someone actually talking, singing, etc. If you're not going to have voice acting, don't make a character that supposed to be a singer and give him a cutscene where he's supposed to be singing to a crowd.
@@espurrseyes42 I think Masters' simple grunts would do, but have important lines be fully voiced. Also, can we have unique NPCs even if just skins? Have different hairstyle, hair colors, clothing, it's actually pretty easy to do as they already made character customization already, just apply it to NPCs. Overall the dream is to have New Pokemon Snap graphics or at least PBR level (which is a Wii game) and the map design and content of Pt/HGSS/B2W2.
@@espurrseyes42 So you'd still settle for characters "talking" but nothing coming out? Idk... Singing not having sound is absolutely pathetic but talking is no different cause it breaks the immersion all the same. Legend Arceus not having any voice acting is honestly pretty embarrassing and makes it feel like they learned nothing from SwSd
I think the realistic chibi Let’s go style would’ve honestly made DP look awesome. Let’s Go was a fun game and the only drawback was the catching mechanic, but I loved seeing Kanto in that style and would’ve loved to see more old regions remastered like that
@@Yesmamaserve ILCA actually had a vision of a realistic artstyle, it seems. There have been concept art leaks, and they are pretty much SwSh style, there even were follow pokemon and the overworld had a lot of additions and looked realistic, not just "faithful"... Probably pressure from above to get the game pumped out as quickly as possible.
When it comes to Pokemon artstyle in a general sense (both 2D and 3D) nothing beats gen 3 Hoenn for me. It just looks really great and makes surfing through the bland water routes very much barable.
I honestly think let's go has the best artstyle for adapting the older titles while Sword and shield is the best for future titles if they actually put a little effort like Breath of the wild, Kirby, Mario and every other Nintendo franchise
@Blitz Gaming654 Agreed . BOTW had so much time and got delayed to get transferred into the switch and it looks amazing. they got creative . meanwhile SS is just okay.
@Blitz Gaming654 they need to double both development time and dev budget. They should have more employees between 500-600 than 170 they're having right now and they should have 4 to 5 years to develop the next generation main game.
I won't take Pokemon Masters slander, game has much more effort than SwSh, and actually listens to the players (most of the time), and have ways to win against the gacha system.
@Blitz Gaming654 I mean not sure what you mean by preference, I just said the it has actual substance with story and gameplay, in addition to graphics.
If I had to rank them: 1. 1:3 (Let's Go) Looked the best IMO. It has a good mix of things looking serious when they need to but also not falling into the uncanny valley. Even if GF could make the 1:4 style look perfect, I think I would still prefer this because it fits Pokemon better. The only thing I would like to see more of would be a 1:3 world with 1:4 battle sprites and cinematic cutscenes, but even then I don't know if that could top a completely 1:3 game. I would have to see it in action to decide. 1.5. 1:2 (Gen 6) This is kind of irrelevant now because it looks like 1:3 is the Nintendo Switch version of 1:2, which worked on the 3DS better. It also has a great mix of cartoony and realism, and the 1:4 battle sprites helped a lot. This style also looks great. 2. 1:4 (Gen 7 & 8) I think this style has potential. I agree that it works much better for a game like Legends: Arceus because it involves more action and needing to be more aware of the world at all times. It looked great at some points in SWSH but had a lot of moments of very poor animation. I just don't think GF is capable of making a perfect-looking 1:4 game yet, but probably will in the future. I expect to see this style ironed out and looking much better overall by the next console generation. 3. 1:1 (BDSP) I don't think the style itself is bad, but I do dislike what it represents. (Also, it does not help that the way this style was presented is absolutely awful, just look at Volkner's overworld model) I think this style was born out of a refusal to do anything new with the Sinnoh remakes. It is the absolute definition of the fear of innovation shown with these games specifically. The 1:2 or 1:3 styles were already made to resemble the 2D sprites of the GBA games, and look amazing, so why create a whole new style that looks worse just to try and get closer? I maybe wouldn't have such a problem with the 1:1 style if 1:2 and 1:3 weren't sitting in a box in GF's office right there and look 1000x better in every way. Maybe this falls on ILCA using a brand new style for their first game because they couldn't use 1:2 and 1:3, maybe this has to do with Legends: Arceus releasing so close, I'm not sure. Anyway, I personally believe alternating between 1:3 for their "Classic Style" games and 1:4 for "Legends Style" games (even if they aren't part of the Legends series, I expect Gen 9 to use the engine and mechanics somewhat) would be the best schedule and would allow them to focus more on improving the 1:4 style between games.
Yeah, basically agree with you there. Let's Go is the prettiest 3D Pokémon game hands down. It was built specifically to look good when adapting 2D games (with their original overworld layouts) and I really wish it had been used in BDSP. One of the problems with 1:1 is the perspective changing camera movement they've put into the game. Those proportions only looked good with the forced perspective top down in the 2D games. If they wanted a more dynamic camera they should have gone with something else.
@Blitz Gaming654 It's still pretty obvious that they're making another game alongside Legends, they've gotta have something for holiday 2022, right? I personally think it has more to do with The Pokemon Company rushing Game Freak along to keep up with the card game, anime, and merch sales. The games are like the dam holding back all of the other Pokemon merchandise (which is where they make the vast majority of their money) and TPC does everything they can to break that dam down instead of waiting for it to be opened when it's ready by Game Freak.
Unpopular opinion: Pokémon Battle Revolution had the best graphics style. I really liked how the Trainers looked and also I liked the animations of the Pokémon, especially glowing animations of Pokémon like Kyogre, Groudon, Dialga, and Palkia. I think they used that same style in New Pokémon Snap too, all the humans look like the PBR style.
It is very baffling they don't use the PBR style and just go from there. The textures actually look more detailed to me, and better shadowing. The trainer models were also pretry great. It just needs more lighting and maybe it could work for modern games.
@@zjzr08 To be fair, there WAS some visual issues with certain effects, like The inconsistent fire effects. Infernape has that weird modeled fire instead of regular fire effects. Still the better graphics by far.
Guys, don't kill me but I prefer gen 7, SWSH and Legends art style. Maybe it's because I am a weeb/otaku so more anime the better (I also prefer the characters designs on these games. Examples: Gladion, Nessa, Professor Kukui, etc.)
Yeah like I LOVE the character models in that style but everything else between the animations, environments, and just all around design is VERY inconsistent
@@Yesmamaserve every stylistic choice has their pros and cons. The fact of the matter is that the full 3d requires a lot more effort than chibis and as you know, gamefreak can't be bothered to not be lazy for once. Pokemon would've been way better with some other company/franchise rather than gamefreak.
I'm pretty sure it's the majority preference. I'm not a weeb at all but I prefer the character models and design in gen 8 and 7 in game far more then gen 6 and the bdsp games. Tho I do agree that lets go looks good aswell.
The SWSH art style is good when it's done well, but Gamefreak is too incompetent to make it all good. Not to mention that it's really jarring to see when the Pokemon' sizes are not scaled properly. It also has the con of being harder to make so it'd mean Gamefreak would have to either take more time to make the games or rush them.
The LGPE style would be improved if they double down on the Sugimori Style, and make the entire game like the original art concepts/the manga. It would be the coolest art style, specially for Gen 1 and Gen 2 remakes. But tbh every game should have a different art style according to the developers intentions. Idk if SM/USUM would’ve worked in chibi style, for example.
For me a mix of Let’s Go’s overworld and SwSh’s character models is the best look. Let’s Go’s world was really vibrant and detailed and the SwSh character models looked great. I’m happy that BDSP is keeping those great detailed models for the actual Pokemon battles.
Let's Go, I actually think is the best. There's something charming about the world, the models, and especially the colors. Everything in that game is just so vibrant. So, vote goes to Let's Go.
Pokemon Sword/Shield Nintendo Games has the best Art Style because the characters, Pokemon and the background scenery looks a whole lot better than the previous Pokemon games.
A nitpick regarding ORAS: The blocky models are NOT an artstyle thing; it’s an optimization thing. They were made blocky for the sake of working on the 3D’s hardware - and lemme tell you, the games needed it. I just finished playing through moon today (I got stuck 4 years ago as a dumb kid and dropped the game lol) and the game’s additional effects absolutely obliterate the processor on that thing. Even trying to use sinister arrow raid against anything with a flying animation (eg golbat) lags the game to absolute shit because the console cannot handle it. I was playing on the launch version of the game though, so that may have been an optimization thing. But yeah. TL;DR the lack of polygons on the oras models was to save resources, since the DS pixelates features well enough that you don’t see it. It’s not an artstyle thing. Anyways I’m going to eat something painful for wasting so much time over a comment about polygons in a game from 7 years ago.
I really like the gen 6 art style, esp if you were to dress up your character looking in the over world and not to mention how you were shown before and after battle. It also showed how you can really move esp for introducing the rollerblading/legs actually moving while riding your bike. Gen 7 did feel refreshing tho the most realistic look for handheld. My problem is that for being realistic; my character literally was a like a t-pose character which means doesn’t feel “fleshed out” or felt like they couldn’t fully interact as you had no proper reaction to Pokémon surprising you or playing. Cant say abt Lets Go since I haven’t played cuz I’m tired of replaying kanto like I barely remember even which leader I can call on what days in hgss lmao BUT what I can say is from a “eye candy” perspective is that they do look really clean in HD. And Gen 8 in terms of graphics and design was... fair idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I sped through the game cuz i couldn’t follow the story and was more into which new mons I wanted and if they added new items to try.
Let's Go's art style is one of my favorites. It's so cute, looks so polished and consistent. It serves for cute and serious settings. Also, following pokemon are the best in the series by far
Fantastic analysis of each style, it’d be cool to see you do something like this with the 2D styles and talk about improvements made to the sprites for each generation. Also I agree with your sentiment that LGPE handles the 3D style best, but before BDSP was announced I was hoping it would be like ORAS was to XY and improve on the models and over world. In my head I didn’t feel like it work though because they’d have to remodel the region a bit, and you explained it perfectly in the video. Eventually when they were leaked 30 minutes before their reveal I knew what we were getting so I liked what I saw, but it does make me wonder how my initial impression would’ve been had I not seen the leak. I’m assuming more or less the same, regardless I’m excited to play through Sinnoh again as Pokémon Diamond was my first game and I was 6 at the time. I’m also interested in coming back to this video for the 2026 Black and White remakes comment and see how well it ages; Pokémon Black was the first game I ever preordered and I remember feeling so cool coming in to pick it up on release day. I was 11 then so I’m sure I’ll feel some of the same joy for those trailers like I did for BDSP’s.
They shouldve mixed the ORAS and let's go style. That being make the shading and everything look more mainline and less cartoony but make everything non-chibi and non-tiled. BDSP looks awkward cos it uses the exact same layout as DP but in 3D
I like the semi-chibi art styles like in gen 6 or Lets Go, I like the Lets Go style the best. (Edit) 4:45 The gen 6 art style wouldn't look "blocky" if they where making it for the Switch instead of the 3DS, upscaling a game to look HD doesn't improve the amount of polygons in the models lol.
Tbf to gen 6, HD emulation for 3DS isn't the same as making models in that style for HD games. I think that's the best style, maybe with Let's Go's shading.
The thing about BDSP’s style is the fact that it makes every serious or even semi-serious scene feel corny or just funny in some cases. Especially when it involves Team Galactic and its cult leader Cyrus. He’s supposed to be intimidated, and even menacing, but no- He just looks like a baby playing pretend.. It also looks fairly ugly, the art style in general, with the hands for some reason? It’s like their little mutated humans, along with the colors feeling very off... If they wanted to go for Chibi they should gone all out in making them look like Chibi characters, something similar to Links Awakening Remake.. Hell, they should’ve just had that team work on it, they’re all under Nintendo.
Personally I actually really liked the Gen 8 models, except for some. Especially Rose. I don't know why. I did not like his model. Again though, Let's Go looks REALLLY clean. Can be a bit too cartoonish for me at times, but overall really great
the LGPE games have rideable pokemon, overworld shinies, mega evolutions and PROPER scaling!!! Like, come on almost if not all of these are missing from any other game and most likely BDSP too man! :( Also, not to ruin your day Gireum, but BDSP will have NO cutscene in full scale, its all chibi :)
why are some of your cons literally "some people don't like them" lmao I also think you should consider that Let's Go is literally only focused on Kanto. Calling a bunch of game devs lazy because of shoe-string deadlines and such isn't a good look, and it doesn't help that you're not doing a great job backing up your points here. Gen 7 and Gen 8 have two completely different art styles, and the point that BDSP's art style is too cute to take seriously is really silly to make when you're arguing that Let's Go is the most impressive looking title. I'm pretty sure BDSP is made on the Let's Go engine. I'm not even interested in defending Game Freak and their capitalistic practices. But, there's so much misinformation here.
BDSP was apparently made with Unity so its own engine altogether. I think he also pointed out the resources needed for the respective art styles, like 1:3 of Let's Go not needing duplicates unlike semi-chibi and exaggerated chibi. And are Alola and Galar really different artstyles? They have realistic characters in a map that's too narrow and linear, what's the difference between the two in the broad sense?
Yep, I'm now subscribed. Much like Acoustic Harmonia, you know what's up with Pokémon and aren't afraid to tell it like it is, and I respect that greatly.
Im not mad at the chibi art in BDSP just because it IS chibi. I hate it because ORAS showed exactly how far a remake can be pushed into being modern without becoming a different game entirely. HGSS used gen 4s engine, ORAS used 6th gens engine, BDSP should’ve been in SWSH’s engine. Yeah, it would’ve been difficult. Yeah, it would’ve been time consuming. But what the fuck? It would’ve fit the traditions of the other remakes and it would’ve actually given people a reason to play BDSP over Platinum. As of now, theres literally none.
I dont get how you could play pokemon and be like "thats too cartoony" like the whole series is anime as fuck, i think the last 5 games havent been cartoony enough, like keep the realistic or semi chibi/realistic proportions of the character models but have more flat colors, cell shading, I dont know why they havent leand into their roots more and made the game literally look like the anime, SVs art style is non existent, its so all over the place, character models look like they are barely current gen and all the environments textures look a generation behind in detail and fidelity, its just seems like the logical move to make the art style something more consistant with the brand as a whole and you know, something they are capable of doing, SV despite its technical issues just look horrible, like the game is legitimatly ugly
1:1 < 2D Sprites < 1:2 < 1:4 (assuming a competent company was handling the game to make sure the PKMN models and animations didn't suck and characters didn't move around like they were still on a grid) < 1:3
Its really sad how one of the franchises that has the advantage of having one of the most distinct art styles in the world of Gaming, even translating with little flaws on to other media, can't even reach it's own standards for whatever reason
I really love Let's Go's style. To me, it felt like a natural evolution of the gen 6 games (which I also really like), it definitely fits really well with the regions that work with tiles and a less organic map design. Honestly, if they had chosen the realistic gen 8 artstyle for the sinnoh remakes, I GUARANTEE you that most complex areas would've been cut or modified to be more linear. So yeah, chibis for BDSP are far from being the main issue with those games. We need CONTENT ffs
I feel like Sword and Shield, with more polish, would be the ideal 3D Pokemon look. Let’s Go is a close second though. But we all know New Pokemon Snap is the true king.
I don't like the Let's Go artstyle. It looks too plastic with no outlines on anything. But I admit that it's definitely the most consistent artstyle - it's the most polished looking 3d Pokemon game
I know You don't like pokemon masters and i know why but in my opinion its not that bad. It's gacha right but developers comunicate with players, fix thier mistakes and improve the game. Trainers aren't just pack in smimsuits, one of my favorites is anniversarry N,Halloween Caitlyn or sygna suit Grimsley. Game is fun and fair by not taking all your money and giving you many free stuff. Of course I'm ok with Your opinnion but I think Masters doesn't deserve so much hate.
I will say while ideally I want at least Battle Revolution style graphics (with Pt/HGSS/B2W2 content) I do agree Let's Go style is the best compromise - just one model and it fits well for both overworld and battles/cutscenes. But I'm not sure, do I want Pokemon to have new characters with official art be the 1:3 characters? I do agree doing the 1:3 designs for remakes would be great but maybe not for new regions (although Masters makes them realistic style like with regular Misty whose clothes are from the Let's Go games so that's where you can get them hehe). Maybe just have official art different from the game and maybe some FMV ala Pokemon shorts lately to show their full size in-game.
actually i dont mind that each game has a distinct artstyle, it adds to the differences. that said i dont particularly like the artstyle in BDSP, too much bloom and it looks too lazy
10:56 it’s still uncanny because chibis are most often used to show exaggerated emotion in most anime/manga so when a chibi just stands their and looks at you with a 10,000 mile stare it’s off putting because chibis are supposed to be expressive
1-3 all look good to me (while gen 6 is kinda low poly, but could definitely work on the Switch if upgraded a little.) I do prefer the realistic chibi and realistic though, as they work best with the pokemon models themselves, but semi-chibi would also work wonderfully.
Another thing about the Let's Go games, is that the slightly stylized look makes the games age well (aesthetically). If they just kept going that route with the visuals of the games, no person would complain about the visuals in the Pokemon franchise long term. I'd still complain about the lackluster combat system, the failed new features that are worse than in the previous titles and the terrible animations, but at least the games will LOOK good at first glance.
I really like the rough handpainted look of the textures used in gen ≤ 7 (also in Pokemon Masters). Antialising is also something that could've made things a little cleaner. Too much smoothing seems really cartoony and rubber-like
as faithful as nuns are to god ha these fools have removed the underground features which included decorations and stuff , setting traps for friends and my most favorite capture the flag now underground is just a place where you can catch mons and can mine some items . they are pretending like platinum does not exist . for me legends arceus is just another bait from game freak they are showing that we are doing something new which they showed while promoting gen 8 games the graphics looks so awful but hey it is the pokemon and like sword and shield this game will also come near or even defeat breath of the wild 2 in terms of sales
The full "realistic" artstyle (the characters still have big eyes) is the one I prefer personally. Why make the game 3d if you don't fully commit to it? But I guess the Let's Go style is a nice compromise betweenn the two (The Gen 6 and 7/8 style I mean). What I do know is that I hate the BDSP and Gen 6 chibi artstyle. And that I hate Masters EX.
Well just finished the video and I agree with most of what you said, although I still think the realistic art style is the best looking IMO. It gives the characters some life, makes them more relatable as they actually look like human beings rather than what BDSP is going for. I know it’s just a game and it doesn’t matter whether they look realistic or not, but I still appreciated the “effort” Game Freak put into Sw/Sh
True, at the very least it's no question better than BDSP's since they used realistic models in combat instead of the uwu chibis. Only shows how cheap and limited that style is
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I will always rue the day Game Freak decided to drop the Let’s Go art style it was perfect, just perfect. I wouldn’t mind if all Pokémon games had that art style, and we kept the SCVI artsyle for like spin offs and such. Game Freak just doesn’t have enough time to model all those detailed sprites and characters and it shows with how they came out in SCVI.
love this video, personally i would forever prefer the sprites artstyle in the end, i think they should try for the next pokemon game to have an octopath traveler style.
Honestly the fact they haven't done a remake using the "hd pixel art" style for any gen 1-5 games is baffling to me, though sticking with what we've seen already I truly believe the ORAS style with high quality HD models and textures would be BY FAR the best.
I"m personally a fan of Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby's art style. it's a good mix between 3D and 2D, add a more free camera, and the tech that allows pokemon to wander in the tall grass and restore the sneak mechanic from those games to find pokemon with rare moves, and there you go! also about the models, models aren't limited in detail by size. it's all about how you use the vectors and how refined a model you want. they could easily touch those models up to work in HD if they wanted to spend the time to do so.
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0:00 BDSP new info rant
0:52 Intro
2:43 Style 1: Semi-Chibi (XY, ORAS)
5:21 Style 2: Full Realistic (GEN 7, SWSH, PLA)
8:10 Style 3: Realistic Chibi (LGPE)
10:20 Style 4: Full Exaggerated Chibi (BDSP)
12:44 Rank them!
Ok
I see where you are coming from but I have 2 things I disagree with 1. They can't have all Pokemon in every Pokemon game when about 30 to 60 Pokemon come out in ever gen
2. It's not exactly game freak who are making BDSP in is ILCA however there are some developers from game freak who are working on it
@@micflop3394 I agree with you and that we all knew eventually all pokemon wouldn’t be able to get all them in a game but the way pokemon went about it nd blatantly lie to us about why
15:19 anime name?
Dude why do you hate Masters so much? The game is a neat gacha that isn't money hungry & it gives much needed voice acting to a series that lacks it. It also gave my wife Caitlin some love bit I digress.
Not even a Pokémon fan (I just like game design analysis) but the Let's Go style is absolutely beautiful
I respectfully disagree
@@Imperfect_man_ very easy ratio
@@Imperfect_man_ next thing you'll say is that full chibi is the best... yeah... no.
I agree. But I will also say that I believe that it is because those games are less dense.
@@PJNyte I think oras and x and y chibi style are better than bdsp
Let's go Pikachu/Eevee has the cleanest artstyle for me both graphically and aesthetically.
with more work and polish SS are better but LGP are the ones they should pick for the 2D/ grid games
I agree
LGPE's graphics just needs further improvement, but it is stunning nonetheless.
Why did they not give ilca the lets go engine will forever be a Masuda mystery.
The human models in Let's Go are simplified enough that the Pokemon scales well besides them but could still fit enough details in them unlike BDSP, which has another uncanny valley problem caused by not chibifying the Pokemon as well/scaling them properly because work.
I actually like the 2D artworks that came out from the Gen 6 games as a result of their limitations, because they need to put more effort into the designs and poses (contrast that to the wack looking NPCs in Sword and Shield, or the Alola NPCs that look like they're designed from start to finish in 3D without the lifeness of 2D artwork)
Let's Go looks charming and works seamlessly between combat, overworld and cutscenes.
BDSP looks cheap and it's so limiting they had use Gen 8 combat, further enhancing the contrast
It's pretty much how the games were presented when they were first released, chibi overworld and more realistic battle animations
Oh trust me, a lot of people will come to appreciate Bdsp once newer generations of Pokémon games continue to look progressively worse over time. I remember that a lot of the hate of the let’s go games usually came from people that either hated the art style or outright hated the fact that it was a mediocre kanto experience and a cash grab, but in reality; I believe the artistic value of the let’s go games were completely underappreciated and underrated and I believe the same is happening with bdsp, a lot of people didn’t appreciate the let’s go games for what they were and what they were trying to be and got a lot of unnecessary hate although some of that hate is justifiable like the Pokémon go catching mechanic and the huge lack of a post game but other then that, the let’s go games were underappreciated and are only now getting the appreciation it truly deserved despite how mediocre and stripped down the remakes were. I feel like bdsp may be in a very similar boat although bdsp has the potencial to surpass oras if it’s lore, story and post game is handled correctly and if they don’t cut corners and shorten the exploration factors of the caves and the routes and if they keep the nonlinearity of the original DPPT and add an interesting post game and bring back gym leader rematches in the same way the let’s go games did while allowing us to catch every gens 1-4 legendary and catch darkrai and shaymin and access the distortion world to meet giratina; if they can do all of this then bdsp is easily a better remake then oras, but if they don’t then it’s a worse remake then oras but may still constitute as a better game then oras but a worse remake then oras. Bdsp has the potencial to be both a good remake and a better game then oras but it also has the potencial to be a really awful remake in which oras is superior but a better overall game then oras. A game can be a really bad remake but could be a really good game at its core since its borrowing a lot from DP. For example, I believe DP are ranked way higher then oras, but I think bdsp will be ranked higher then DP despite being worse as a remake then oras is.
That is what makes me kind of put off by BDSP. It isn't a cohesive style, where Pokemon Let's Go is more consistent.
This graphics discussion has me worried about gen 5 remakes, I don't want my favorite region to look like BD/SP. I agree that the Let's Go games do have some pretty handsome graphics though.
I rather the Gen5 remake to never exist with how GF is now. They already muddled Gen4 fans' experience with their perma XP Share All, and I had no confidence that they suddenly listen to the fans and give us back the option to toggle it off.
@@rokurojapan1978 All modern RPGs handle experience this way. Universal exp share wasn't the issue with previous games, it was how poorly the experience was balanced around this new exp share. Getting rid of the option to toggle it off allows them to better balance the exp distribution of the game. Turning the exp share on/off in X&Y or Sun and Moon would completely break the experience distribution.
There are a lot of things to complain about, universal exp share being the standard now isn't one of them.
@@Gatchu137 xp share all is not a problem. The problem is the lack of option.
I played XY/ORAS/SM/USUM exclusively with xp share off for the main story because I craves a challenge when playing a game, and having the xp share all activate is hindering my way of playing the game.
Therefore, when they removed the option to turn off xp share, I was completely turned off by the franchise. Why must everyone forced to use the xp share? Its just a simple toggle that they had for like 4 games... Why remove it?
TL, DR: GF took away my way of enjoying the franchise when it can be just a simple toggle, and I forever hates them for it.
@@Gatchu137 plus, did u know why other modern RPG not being criticised by me for having xp share all? they had difficulty OPTIONS.
Wonder why didn't Pokemon also learn from other modern RPG and give us a difficulty OPTION huh? As if they refuses to give us any leeway for options.....
@@rokurojapan1978 Exp share existed in previous games to allow you to have a functionally balanced team, in spite of the fact that only one of your pokemon was supposed to get experience. It was compensation for an already outdated system. Giving the team universal experience isn't inherently "easier".
In a well-balanced game, having the experience share on or off should have NO IMPACT on whether it's harder or not. YOU SAY that you played with exp share off for the entirety of the 3DS lineup to make it harder, but it ONLY makes those games harder because the exp is poorly balanced in the first place. It, for whatever reason, increases the amount of overall experience you got, instead of just distributing it. That's poor balance.
In the original Diamond and Pearl, if the enemies were around level 45, and I was constantly switching my team members around to distribute experience, then they would also be around level 45. Thus, if we have the party-wide experience share, and my team members are still around level 45 by that point in the game, how is that any easier? You're not realizing that party-wide experience doesn't HAVE to be easier, and therefore, a universal exp share isn't the issue. Poor exp balancing in the 3DS era of games was the issue.
Semi Chibi; my personal favorite. It feels like a natural evolution of the pixel art Nintendo was so good at. While a few corners were cut, it was PERFECT for the 3DS, and it allowed them to cut corners without seeming like lazy people.
Full Realistic: Double edged sword. When it works, like in cutscenes, it REALLY WORKS. Seeing Ghetsis yell that he was gonna kill Lillie felt more impactful than in Black and White 2 because it looked like it was a real person telling a kid he was going to murder his best friend. But when it doesn’t…it really doesn’t. Like Pokémon being properly proportioned though.
Semi Chibi: best choice for the Switch. It still lets you cut a few corners while being good enough for a home console, and just looks nice.
(Also I LOVE what they did with Lance-)
Chibi: we’re moving backwards. *STOP.*
I gave (and still give) a lot of shit to the Let's Go games but none of it was for the artstyle. I always thought it looked pretty good and really struck a balance between SM's realism and ORAS's cuteness. It's the most efficient for Gamefreak's annual game dumps without feeling too lazy. I feel like the con isn't big enough to write it off. There's a perfect amount of.....specific appeal that comes with Pokemon characters. Look at Lorelei and Chad Giovanni in this game. We'll be fine.
Facts! It's by far the best when we take into account the limitations of Gamefreak and price tag they want to slap on it
I will say I hope we have "official art" that are more realistic, because while I do agree it seems the most practical, I don't know how to feel if the new gen characters will have these proportions, hehe.
I wonder what he would think about Temtem's attempt for example, it seems to have both realistic models in overworld and battles and yet is in a Let's Go style environment.
Ik a lot of people who gave the art style crap and are now starting to appreciate it after newer generations of games continuing to look progressively worse.
@Pabs not true at all, I remember the hate being so bad all over social media that people were complaining about the fact that it didn’t look realistic, it was until we saw how bad realistic Pokémon games actually look (when sword and shield. came out) that we wanted a return to the art style of Pokémon let’s go and XY, Omega ruby and alpha sapphire. And yes I saw people crapping on the art style because it wasn’t realistic enough until people realized why Pokémon is better suited for a cartoon art style or aesthetic and not realism. Infact a lot of people really love ken sugimori’s art style, a game made in that art style wouldn’t be so bad. Instead what we are getting is a realistic looking Pokémon game with crappy low res textures in the environments and lack of polish/rough around the edges and unfinished, why would anyone continue to accept a garbage game that looks like this? They should just return to mimicking ken sugimori’s art style or atleast have ken sugimori himself work in the art style of the game or have someone else mimick that art style.
9:33 Really, some people think characters don't look hot in Let's Go?, Erika & Sabrina both look hot in their HGSS sprites & artwork & Let's Go models and artwork.
Bro I was thinking the same thing. And that's not even mentioning the absolute *majesty* that is Let's Go Lorelei. Before LG I would not have given Lorelei much of a second thought but she got me sweating in this game (kind of ironic hor the ice speacialist though.)
5:02 The models' blockyness is only due to their original definition. You could make models with the same proportions but more polygons if you were making them for something beyond the 3DS.
Yeah, I would assume if you are making a game with these proportions for say a 1080p display, you are just gonna make models with smoother edges, but the same proportions.
Exactly. They could look as 'high definition' as the Let's Go models, but with the gen 6 proportions. I think it'd look great
The thing that bugs me most about BD/SP is just how jarring the shift from overly exaggerated map models to the realistically proportioned battle models is. Gen-6 pulled that dichotomy off way better with it's less exaggerated semi-chibi style.
The Let's Go games are just gorgeous though. Not only because of the consistency between overworked and battle scenes, but I feel like they also just put a lot more effort and soul into the animations than either the Gen-7 or Gen-8 mainline games did.
Let’s Go has the peak art style in the 3D era, fight me or join me lol
I'll fight you on that. Gen 6 one is my favorite.
Personally I wouldn’t consider SM/USUM and SWSH to have the same artstyle at all. SM is closer to XY and ORAS than it is to SWSH in my opinion.
That being said, if I had to rank the artstyles LGPE > SWSH > XY > ORAS = SM/USUM > BDSP in my opinion and I say that as someone who likes BDSP’s artstyle.
I think the Let’s Go games are the best 3D Pokemon has ever looked with SWSH as a close second. I’m not really a fan of ORAS’s character models and SM/USUM’s character models look good in battle/cutscenes but not so much in the overworld (Though it also depends on the characters. The player characters don’t look good at all but then you have characters like Lillie, Mallow, etc. who actually look good in battle despite the overworld models). I much prefer XY’s look among all the 3DS games. As for BDSP, while I like the look of the overworld I’m not a fan of the way it looks in battle. I’m still going to buy it because I don’t mind them being faithful remakes but I wish the battles and cutscenes looked better.
The best style is easily the 6th gen one... It's 3D but still "cartoony" enough to not cause that much immersion breaking like the absolute nightmare that is SwSd style
Kinda pixelly though.
Sword and shield was only bad due to the complete lack of animation or any voice acting. It can be good if they actually put effort into it like every other Nintendo product did
@@compatriot852
Honestly couldn't care about the lack of voice acting. Barring situations where it REALLY seems like there should be someone actually talking, singing, etc. If you're not going to have voice acting, don't make a character that supposed to be a singer and give him a cutscene where he's supposed to be singing to a crowd.
@@espurrseyes42 I think Masters' simple grunts would do, but have important lines be fully voiced.
Also, can we have unique NPCs even if just skins? Have different hairstyle, hair colors, clothing, it's actually pretty easy to do as they already made character customization already, just apply it to NPCs.
Overall the dream is to have New Pokemon Snap graphics or at least PBR level (which is a Wii game) and the map design and content of Pt/HGSS/B2W2.
@@espurrseyes42 So you'd still settle for characters "talking" but nothing coming out? Idk... Singing not having sound is absolutely pathetic but talking is no different cause it breaks the immersion all the same.
Legend Arceus not having any voice acting is honestly pretty embarrassing and makes it feel like they learned nothing from SwSd
I think the realistic chibi Let’s go style would’ve honestly made DP look awesome. Let’s Go was a fun game and the only drawback was the catching mechanic, but I loved seeing Kanto in that style and would’ve loved to see more old regions remastered like that
Same like I’m surprised they didn’t do it but it’s prolly cause it was done by ILCA
@@Yesmamaserve ILCA actually had a vision of a realistic artstyle, it seems. There have been concept art leaks, and they are pretty much SwSh style, there even were follow pokemon and the overworld had a lot of additions and looked realistic, not just "faithful"... Probably pressure from above to get the game pumped out as quickly as possible.
Please gireum I’ve watched the ORAS review four times can I have my kids back
I was only today’s old when I realised Let’s Go has chibi art style.
When it comes to Pokemon artstyle in a general sense (both 2D and 3D) nothing beats gen 3 Hoenn for me. It just looks really great and makes surfing through the bland water routes very much barable.
Nothing beats gen 3 Hoenn in general, I love those games
i personally dislike gen 3 hoenn lol
@@Diamoondust The artstyle or the region in general?
@@Diamoondust take it back rn 😾
@@lilsupersoaker no its my opinion 😭 i love oras tho, lol. actually i think my least fav 2d art style is gen 1 and then gen 3 kanto remakes, lol.
I honestly think let's go has the best artstyle for adapting the older titles while Sword and shield is the best for future titles if they actually put a little effort like Breath of the wild, Kirby, Mario and every other Nintendo franchise
legends and lets go imo
@Blitz Gaming654 Agreed . BOTW had so much time and got delayed to get transferred into the switch and it looks amazing. they got creative . meanwhile SS is just okay.
@Blitz Gaming654 they need to double both development time and dev budget. They should have more employees between 500-600 than 170 they're having right now and they should have 4 to 5 years to develop the next generation main game.
Let’s go is the best looking Pokémon game I ever played tbh. Sword and shield looked silly and lifeless. But let’s go felt amazing
Yeah like while the character designs in SWSH were good , the environment felt half-assed
I won't take Pokemon Masters slander, game has much more effort than SwSh, and actually listens to the players (most of the time), and have ways to win against the gacha system.
@Blitz Gaming654 I think it has good gameplay and the stories have been great IMO.
@Blitz Gaming654 I mean not sure what you mean by preference, I just said the it has actual substance with story and gameplay, in addition to graphics.
gave us n content so it's a win in my book
If I had to rank them:
1. 1:3 (Let's Go) Looked the best IMO. It has a good mix of things looking serious when they need to but also not falling into the uncanny valley. Even if GF could make the 1:4 style look perfect, I think I would still prefer this because it fits Pokemon better. The only thing I would like to see more of would be a 1:3 world with 1:4 battle sprites and cinematic cutscenes, but even then I don't know if that could top a completely 1:3 game. I would have to see it in action to decide.
1.5. 1:2 (Gen 6) This is kind of irrelevant now because it looks like 1:3 is the Nintendo Switch version of 1:2, which worked on the 3DS better. It also has a great mix of cartoony and realism, and the 1:4 battle sprites helped a lot. This style also looks great.
2. 1:4 (Gen 7 & 8) I think this style has potential. I agree that it works much better for a game like Legends: Arceus because it involves more action and needing to be more aware of the world at all times. It looked great at some points in SWSH but had a lot of moments of very poor animation. I just don't think GF is capable of making a perfect-looking 1:4 game yet, but probably will in the future. I expect to see this style ironed out and looking much better overall by the next console generation.
3. 1:1 (BDSP) I don't think the style itself is bad, but I do dislike what it represents. (Also, it does not help that the way this style was presented is absolutely awful, just look at Volkner's overworld model) I think this style was born out of a refusal to do anything new with the Sinnoh remakes. It is the absolute definition of the fear of innovation shown with these games specifically. The 1:2 or 1:3 styles were already made to resemble the 2D sprites of the GBA games, and look amazing, so why create a whole new style that looks worse just to try and get closer? I maybe wouldn't have such a problem with the 1:1 style if 1:2 and 1:3 weren't sitting in a box in GF's office right there and look 1000x better in every way. Maybe this falls on ILCA using a brand new style for their first game because they couldn't use 1:2 and 1:3, maybe this has to do with Legends: Arceus releasing so close, I'm not sure.
Anyway, I personally believe alternating between 1:3 for their "Classic Style" games and 1:4 for "Legends Style" games (even if they aren't part of the Legends series, I expect Gen 9 to use the engine and mechanics somewhat) would be the best schedule and would allow them to focus more on improving the 1:4 style between games.
Yeah, basically agree with you there. Let's Go is the prettiest 3D Pokémon game hands down. It was built specifically to look good when adapting 2D games (with their original overworld layouts) and I really wish it had been used in BDSP. One of the problems with 1:1 is the perspective changing camera movement they've put into the game. Those proportions only looked good with the forced perspective top down in the 2D games. If they wanted a more dynamic camera they should have gone with something else.
@Blitz Gaming654 It's still pretty obvious that they're making another game alongside Legends, they've gotta have something for holiday 2022, right? I personally think it has more to do with The Pokemon Company rushing Game Freak along to keep up with the card game, anime, and merch sales. The games are like the dam holding back all of the other Pokemon merchandise (which is where they make the vast majority of their money) and TPC does everything they can to break that dam down instead of waiting for it to be opened when it's ready by Game Freak.
Unpopular opinion: Pokémon Battle Revolution had the best graphics style. I really liked how the Trainers looked and also I liked the animations of the Pokémon, especially glowing animations of Pokémon like Kyogre, Groudon, Dialga, and Palkia.
I think they used that same style in New Pokémon Snap too, all the humans look like the PBR style.
It is very baffling they don't use the PBR style and just go from there. The textures actually look more detailed to me, and better shadowing. The trainer models were also pretry great. It just needs more lighting and maybe it could work for modern games.
@@zjzr08 To be fair, there WAS some visual issues with certain effects, like The inconsistent fire effects. Infernape has that weird modeled fire instead of regular fire effects.
Still the better graphics by far.
based opinion
LGPE are super underrated.
I really wanted a Let’s Go Johto.
The Let's go artstyle is the best. It's just the oras style without the rough edges.
Guys, don't kill me but I prefer gen 7, SWSH and Legends art style. Maybe it's because I am a weeb/otaku so more anime the better (I also prefer the characters designs on these games. Examples: Gladion, Nessa, Professor Kukui, etc.)
Liking an artstyle is a subjective opinion, there is no objective way to criticize you lol.
Yeah like I LOVE the character models in that style but everything else between the animations, environments, and just all around design is VERY inconsistent
@@Yesmamaserve every stylistic choice has their pros and cons.
The fact of the matter is that the full 3d requires a lot more effort than chibis and as you know, gamefreak can't be bothered to not be lazy for once. Pokemon would've been way better with some other company/franchise rather than gamefreak.
I'm pretty sure it's the majority preference. I'm not a weeb at all but I prefer the character models and design in gen 8 and 7 in game far more then gen 6 and the bdsp games. Tho I do agree that lets go looks good aswell.
The SWSH art style is good when it's done well, but Gamefreak is too incompetent to make it all good. Not to mention that it's really jarring to see when the Pokemon' sizes are not scaled properly. It also has the con of being harder to make so it'd mean Gamefreak would have to either take more time to make the games or rush them.
The LGPE style would be improved if they double down on the Sugimori Style, and make the entire game like the original art concepts/the manga.
It would be the coolest art style, specially for Gen 1 and Gen 2 remakes.
But tbh every game should have a different art style according to the developers intentions. Idk if SM/USUM would’ve worked in chibi style, for example.
For me a mix of Let’s Go’s overworld and SwSh’s character models is the best look. Let’s Go’s world was really vibrant and detailed and the SwSh character models looked great. I’m happy that BDSP is keeping those great detailed models for the actual Pokemon battles.
Let's Go, I actually think is the best. There's something charming about the world, the models, and especially the colors. Everything in that game is just so vibrant. So, vote goes to Let's Go.
Agreed. Hope we get a Let's Go Johto soon
Pokemon Sword/Shield Nintendo Games has the best Art Style because the characters, Pokemon and the background scenery looks a whole lot better than the previous Pokemon games.
A nitpick regarding ORAS:
The blocky models are NOT an artstyle thing; it’s an optimization thing. They were made blocky for the sake of working on the 3D’s hardware - and lemme tell you, the games needed it.
I just finished playing through moon today (I got stuck 4 years ago as a dumb kid and dropped the game lol) and the game’s additional effects absolutely obliterate the processor on that thing. Even trying to use sinister arrow raid against anything with a flying animation (eg golbat) lags the game to absolute shit because the console cannot handle it.
I was playing on the launch version of the game though, so that may have been an optimization thing.
But yeah. TL;DR the lack of polygons on the oras models was to save resources, since the DS pixelates features well enough that you don’t see it. It’s not an artstyle thing.
Anyways I’m going to eat something painful for wasting so much time over a comment about polygons in a game from 7 years ago.
I really like the gen 6 art style, esp if you were to dress up your character looking in the over world and not to mention how you were shown before and after battle. It also showed how you can really move esp for introducing the rollerblading/legs actually moving while riding your bike. Gen 7 did feel refreshing tho the most realistic look for handheld. My problem is that for being realistic; my character literally was a like a t-pose character which means doesn’t feel “fleshed out” or felt like they couldn’t fully interact as you had no proper reaction to Pokémon surprising you or playing. Cant say abt Lets Go since I haven’t played cuz I’m tired of replaying kanto like I barely remember even which leader I can call on what days in hgss lmao BUT what I can say is from a “eye candy” perspective is that they do look really clean in HD. And Gen 8 in terms of graphics and design was... fair idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I sped through the game cuz i couldn’t follow the story and was more into which new mons I wanted and if they added new items to try.
Bdsp should've used the gen 6 art style
Let’s Go for remakes and SWSH for new games is what I’d say
Let's Go's art style is one of my favorites. It's so cute, looks so polished and consistent. It serves for cute and serious settings. Also, following pokemon are the best in the series by far
Fantastic analysis of each style, it’d be cool to see you do something like this with the 2D styles and talk about improvements made to the sprites for each generation.
Also I agree with your sentiment that LGPE handles the 3D style best, but before BDSP was announced I was hoping it would be like ORAS was to XY and improve on the models and over world. In my head I didn’t feel like it work though because they’d have to remodel the region a bit, and you explained it perfectly in the video. Eventually when they were leaked 30 minutes before their reveal I knew what we were getting so I liked what I saw, but it does make me wonder how my initial impression would’ve been had I not seen the leak. I’m assuming more or less the same, regardless I’m excited to play through Sinnoh again as Pokémon Diamond was my first game and I was 6 at the time. I’m also interested in coming back to this video for the 2026 Black and White remakes comment and see how well it ages; Pokémon Black was the first game I ever preordered and I remember feeling so cool coming in to pick it up on release day. I was 11 then so I’m sure I’ll feel some of the same joy for those trailers like I did for BDSP’s.
They shouldve mixed the ORAS and let's go style. That being make the shading and everything look more mainline and less cartoony but make everything non-chibi and non-tiled.
BDSP looks awkward cos it uses the exact same layout as DP but in 3D
I’m learning Korean, I know what you said when referring to Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon 🤭😏
I love the gen 6 art style i think it’s great
I like the semi-chibi art styles like in gen 6 or Lets Go, I like the Lets Go style the best.
(Edit) 4:45 The gen 6 art style wouldn't look "blocky" if they where making it for the Switch instead of the 3DS, upscaling a game to look HD doesn't improve the amount of polygons in the models lol.
Tbf to gen 6, HD emulation for 3DS isn't the same as making models in that style for HD games. I think that's the best style, maybe with Let's Go's shading.
The thing about BDSP’s style is the fact that it makes every serious or even semi-serious scene feel corny or just funny in some cases. Especially when it involves Team Galactic and its cult leader Cyrus. He’s supposed to be intimidated, and even menacing, but no- He just looks like a baby playing pretend..
It also looks fairly ugly, the art style in general, with the hands for some reason? It’s like their little mutated humans, along with the colors feeling very off... If they wanted to go for Chibi they should gone all out in making them look like Chibi characters, something similar to Links Awakening Remake.. Hell, they should’ve just had that team work on it, they’re all under Nintendo.
Personally I actually really liked the Gen 8 models, except for some.
Especially Rose. I don't know why. I did not like his model.
Again though, Let's Go looks REALLLY clean. Can be a bit too cartoonish for me at times, but overall really great
the LGPE games have rideable pokemon, overworld shinies, mega evolutions and PROPER scaling!!!
Like, come on almost if not all of these are missing from any other game and most likely BDSP too man! :(
Also, not to ruin your day Gireum, but BDSP will have NO cutscene in full scale, its all chibi :)
why are some of your cons literally "some people don't like them" lmao
I also think you should consider that Let's Go is literally only focused on Kanto. Calling a bunch of game devs lazy because of shoe-string deadlines and such isn't a good look, and it doesn't help that you're not doing a great job backing up your points here.
Gen 7 and Gen 8 have two completely different art styles, and the point that BDSP's art style is too cute to take seriously is really silly to make when you're arguing that Let's Go is the most impressive looking title. I'm pretty sure BDSP is made on the Let's Go engine.
I'm not even interested in defending Game Freak and their capitalistic practices. But, there's so much misinformation here.
BDSP was apparently made with Unity so its own engine altogether. I think he also pointed out the resources needed for the respective art styles, like 1:3 of Let's Go not needing duplicates unlike semi-chibi and exaggerated chibi.
And are Alola and Galar really different artstyles? They have realistic characters in a map that's too narrow and linear, what's the difference between the two in the broad sense?
ORAS looks the best for me, BDSP is the worst
I think Style 2 is way better for the Switch Pokemon games. But when they do that they need to scale Pokemons as well, like in Pokemon BR.
Yep, I'm now subscribed. Much like Acoustic Harmonia, you know what's up with Pokémon and aren't afraid to tell it like it is, and I respect that greatly.
Im not mad at the chibi art in BDSP just because it IS chibi. I hate it because ORAS showed exactly how far a remake can be pushed into being modern without becoming a different game entirely. HGSS used gen 4s engine, ORAS used 6th gens engine, BDSP should’ve been in SWSH’s engine. Yeah, it would’ve been difficult. Yeah, it would’ve been time consuming. But what the fuck? It would’ve fit the traditions of the other remakes and it would’ve actually given people a reason to play BDSP over Platinum. As of now, theres literally none.
I'll cried in happiness if unova remake was in let's go graphic with let's go' following Pokémon
I dont get how you could play pokemon and be like "thats too cartoony" like the whole series is anime as fuck, i think the last 5 games havent been cartoony enough, like keep the realistic or semi chibi/realistic proportions of the character models but have more flat colors, cell shading, I dont know why they havent leand into their roots more and made the game literally look like the anime, SVs art style is non existent, its so all over the place, character models look like they are barely current gen and all the environments textures look a generation behind in detail and fidelity, its just seems like the logical move to make the art style something more consistant with the brand as a whole and you know, something they are capable of doing, SV despite its technical issues just look horrible, like the game is legitimatly ugly
Thank you for talking about this subject and speaking my thoughts into existence.
That ending caught me off guard 😂😂
1:1 < 2D Sprites < 1:2 < 1:4 (assuming a competent company was handling the game to make sure the PKMN models and animations didn't suck and characters didn't move around like they were still on a grid) < 1:3
Its really sad how one of the franchises that has the advantage of having one of the most distinct art styles in the world of Gaming, even translating with little flaws on to other media, can't even reach it's own standards for whatever reason
I really love Let's Go's style. To me, it felt like a natural evolution of the gen 6 games (which I also really like), it definitely fits really well with the regions that work with tiles and a less organic map design.
Honestly, if they had chosen the realistic gen 8 artstyle for the sinnoh remakes, I GUARANTEE you that most complex areas would've been cut or modified to be more linear. So yeah, chibis for BDSP are far from being the main issue with those games. We need CONTENT ffs
There is a correct answer. Gen 5 graphics, or something like Octopath Traveler. It just looks appealing
Your legit proably the best poketuber rn
Realistic styles don't fit Pokemon's lack of voice acting. It feels weird to me 😕.
I feel like Sword and Shield, with more polish, would be the ideal 3D Pokemon look. Let’s Go is a close second though.
But we all know New Pokemon Snap is the true king.
I don't like the Let's Go artstyle. It looks too plastic with no outlines on anything. But I admit that it's definitely the most consistent artstyle - it's the most polished looking 3d Pokemon game
I know You don't like pokemon masters and i know why but in my opinion its not that bad. It's gacha right but developers comunicate with players, fix thier mistakes and improve the game. Trainers aren't just pack in smimsuits, one of my favorites is anniversarry N,Halloween Caitlyn or sygna suit Grimsley. Game is fun and fair by not taking all your money and giving you many free stuff. Of course I'm ok with Your opinnion but I think Masters doesn't deserve so much hate.
Perhaps you should consider phrasing when you say fuck Pokemon -mastersex- Masters EX.
I will say while ideally I want at least Battle Revolution style graphics (with Pt/HGSS/B2W2 content) I do agree Let's Go style is the best compromise - just one model and it fits well for both overworld and battles/cutscenes. But I'm not sure, do I want Pokemon to have new characters with official art be the 1:3 characters?
I do agree doing the 1:3 designs for remakes would be great but maybe not for new regions (although Masters makes them realistic style like with regular Misty whose clothes are from the Let's Go games so that's where you can get them hehe). Maybe just have official art different from the game and maybe some FMV ala Pokemon shorts lately to show their full size in-game.
6:04 That's not exacly true, the overworld version is a low quality version of the in-battle one.
I’m glad people have turned around on let’s go in recent years it’s so pretty
actually i dont mind that each game has a distinct artstyle, it adds to the differences.
that said i dont particularly like the artstyle in BDSP, too much bloom and it looks too lazy
they should have just used the let's go style for bdsp
10:56 it’s still uncanny because chibis are most often used to show exaggerated emotion in most anime/manga so when a chibi just stands their and looks at you with a 10,000 mile stare it’s off putting because chibis are supposed to be expressive
I agree the Lets go line is the best looking game currently
i really like gen 7/8 and let's go art style
and i really dislike bdsp style
gen 6 is fine
just wanted to say that
XY>BDSP.
In my opinion, Pokemon Gen 7 looked "fine" in 3ds screen
1-3 all look good to me (while gen 6 is kinda low poly, but could definitely work on the Switch if upgraded a little.) I do prefer the realistic chibi and realistic though, as they work best with the pokemon models themselves, but semi-chibi would also work wonderfully.
I like the lgpe art style. Hated the "gameplay"
Let's Go is the best 3d style for future remakes
Another thing about the Let's Go games, is that the slightly stylized look makes the games age well (aesthetically). If they just kept going that route with the visuals of the games, no person would complain about the visuals in the Pokemon franchise long term.
I'd still complain about the lackluster combat system, the failed new features that are worse than in the previous titles and the terrible animations, but at least the games will LOOK good at first glance.
I really like the rough handpainted look of the textures used in gen ≤ 7 (also in Pokemon Masters). Antialising is also something that could've made things a little cleaner. Too much smoothing seems really cartoony and rubber-like
as faithful as nuns are to god ha these fools have removed the underground features which included decorations and stuff , setting traps for friends and my most favorite capture the flag now underground is just a place where you can catch mons and can mine some items . they are pretending like platinum does not exist . for me legends arceus is just another bait from game freak they are showing that we are doing something new which they showed while promoting gen 8 games the graphics looks so awful but hey it is the pokemon and like sword and shield this game will also come near or even defeat breath of the wild 2 in terms of sales
i think lets go style or gen 6 style would be the best
The full "realistic" artstyle (the characters still have big eyes) is the one I prefer personally. Why make the game 3d if you don't fully commit to it? But I guess the Let's Go style is a nice compromise betweenn the two (The Gen 6 and 7/8 style I mean).
What I do know is that I hate the BDSP and Gen 6 chibi artstyle. And that I hate Masters EX.
Gen 6 and let’s go are my favorites
I like my Pokémon just how I like my women:
2 dimensional
The art style that would work best for the series would be the HD-2D style from Octopath Traver and Triangle Strategy.
I think 3d pokemon should do the octopath traveler style but more colorfull ofcourse.
Yeah like honestly I wouldn’t be mad if they did Gen 5 in that style
Let's Go. Easy. Easy pick.
BDSP is starting to grow on me
Gen 5 in sword and shield thx
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Well just finished the video and I agree with most of what you said, although I still think the realistic art style is the best looking IMO.
It gives the characters some life, makes them more relatable as they actually look like human beings rather than what BDSP is going for. I know it’s just a game and it doesn’t matter whether they look realistic or not, but I still appreciated the “effort” Game Freak put into Sw/Sh
True, at the very least it's no question better than BDSP's since they used realistic models in combat instead of the uwu chibis. Only shows how cheap and limited that style is
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(05:45) 2. Don't talk about a certain F***king gacha game but proceed to use the graphics in video
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The fact that the 3D Pokémon games never tried a cartoon/anime style to look like the anime still boggles my mind
I will always rue the day Game Freak decided to drop the Let’s Go art style it was perfect, just perfect. I wouldn’t mind if all Pokémon games had that art style, and we kept the SCVI artsyle for like spin offs and such. Game Freak just doesn’t have enough time to model all those detailed sprites and characters and it shows with how they came out in SCVI.
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I really really do actully like Let's go graphics and aesthetics for a Pokémon game.
Look as good as those styles are we all know that the best style is gen5s 2.5d style
love this video, personally i would forever prefer the sprites artstyle in the end, i think they should try for the next pokemon game to have an octopath traveler style.
Honestly the fact they haven't done a remake using the "hd pixel art" style for any gen 1-5 games is baffling to me, though sticking with what we've seen already I truly believe the ORAS style with high quality HD models and textures would be BY FAR the best.
We all know the correct answer is Pokemon Rumble
I hate to say but you’re blinded by nostalgia. 3D games are legues above the 2d games like Silver or Ruby
I"m personally a fan of Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby's art style. it's a good mix between 3D and 2D, add a more free camera, and the tech that allows pokemon to wander in the tall grass and restore the sneak mechanic from those games to find pokemon with rare moves, and there you go!
also about the models, models aren't limited in detail by size. it's all about how you use the vectors and how refined a model you want. they could easily touch those models up to work in HD if they wanted to spend the time to do so.