This is quality content. Not enough people talk about mocap and have so much experience in the industry working with so many different technologies. Thank youu!!!!!
Xsense makes a big mistake with milking subscription model.... I don't wanna invest in a suit that could be just a piece of cloth, without paying them every year for a software.
Great comparison video. I totally agree with everything you mentioned. I love my Xsens Awinda Starter it’s just at the level where it starts to get pricey but still affordable for us small independents. The tracking data works well but sometimes you have minimal cleanup. Great review and thanks for having me featured in it. Keep up the great work👌🏾
Thank you so much! As someone who's trying to look into motion capture for a usecase that's not too well documented (music performance), hearing the depth of your reviews/pros/cons is SUPER helpful. Especially the fact that you always reference back to the hand tracking... Excellent overview
Rokoko mocap suit for the win still , I’ve used all ai video versions and even some still in beta and development but nothing better than an internal mocap suit , with full finger control , and less clean up
What do you think about Xsens software pricing? The "plus" version of their recording software, that allows you to use more than one suit and capture footage from a witness camera, is priced at $3250 per year. On top of that you still have to pay $230 per month to process the data and export it to fbx. How does the final cost compare when in context with the other solutions you covered?
Great review! I got the xsens awinda middle version myself and i found it to fit my needs the best as i dont want to be locked to a volume nor do i want to set up cameras each time i want to record. The only thing i wouldn't use it for is stunts and in bad weather as the data either looks bad or even gets corrupted on hard impacts.
What suite would you say handles real-time virtual concerts best without body suits? Like just a band performing from their studio or home with mocap cameras feeding their digital twins inside an Unreal Engine venue for live performances.
WTH? Mean Kitty guy? i was literally randomly thinking about that video when i got my cat last Monday (20/11). The "he isnt mean he is just playing" part because in those 5 days i have scars o.o. Haku is a serious player... But yeah kinda freaky how i am thinking of you and 3D Capture for a potential personal project AND BOOM the world (algorithm/manifestation) serves you up. Seeing you made my year or whats left of it ^_^
Great breakdown thanks Cory, I'm 12 years into 3d & have always hesitated to dive into mocap, wondered if you have recommendations on hiring, what kit could i hire as a novice and get an effective amount of experience with in a 1 week window ?
Hi, what do you think is best approach for solo artist just looking for basic motion capture to use for shadow and reflection casting? I plan on having myself filmed for music videos, where I will play guitar seated, sometimes will be walking, standing, sitting. I don't really need finger tracking. I will then place myself in 3D scenes. But I need at same time capture of the guitar. Thanks!
For me, in your context, alone with shadow and reflection, the best quality/price ratio is just using a Kinect. If you have more budget, ask a professionel assisting you with Optitrack or Vicon. Other solutions are not possible because of battery or drift
thank you for your video! I recently got into Plave, virtual idol that are using real time motion capture for their livestream every week for 2 hours so I always wonder what type of mocap they use for their livestream
Very good presentation! I watched it with interest. I would like to ask you if the Rokoko system is suitable for recording sign language for the deaf, where the signer can be either seated or standing, as we are interested in capturing only the upper part of the body. Of course, we want excellent recording of the hands and just satisfactory recording of the face. If Rokoko is not suitable, what would you recommend for the project I described? Thank you very much.
I wouldn't say it's a match for that kind of a work. With obvious and easy to read gestures it should do the job, but - and I believe, that may depend of the workflow you'll choose - they won't provide reliable readings. I see them distorting the positioning of the fingers in relation to the hand palm. And it's not a question of unprecise calibration or any other reasons that could be solved with counter calibration preset. The distortions differ within same motion capture take depending of the individual gesture (fingers straight or bend, or wrists twist). At the end no raw mocap data could be streammed without some serious cleaning before. And that - with fingers - takes time.
Thank you fo rthis valuable feedbacks! I'm looking fo motion capture suits that is more accurate specially in fingers and also face capture as I'm more focused on SignLanguage which the fingers and facial is the important parts, do you have any idea which one is more suitable to look into it?
wow, thanks for the VR thing! that's something new! Might be cool to capture movement inside of my own scene in Blender, it seems to be possible with that app
That's a great overview. I have extensively tested and implemented all these in our software and I can tell from experience that the Noitom PN studio is the best value for content creators.
how is Xsens MVN for face? I see you are showing a lo-fi avatar in real time there, but I'm not sure how that face motion is captured, cause you don't have a head-mounted cam. Is it using a camera that's far away? How would that map onto more detailed models?
I would add that you also need to know what you're doing. Can't expect just to buy the most expensive one and that leading straight to getting flawless results. I've worked with an Optitrack system a lot and depending on all the work we put into setting up the cameras and blocking out sun light and so on, the quality varied between great to unusable.
You said XSens is stable, but do you encounter any drift at all with your MVN Link? I'm skeptical about them since it's not optical and if Rokoko drifts, what's stopping XSens?
none of you that have not seen a mocap suit can make an informed decision. I have two rokoko suits and pre ordered the coil but only came to that conclusion after going to SIGGRAPGH and seeing 5 different vendors in person. Some might benefit from some ai stuff while others really need a reliable suit. Rokoko has been great so far but your mileage may vary for your needs. MAGNETIC INTEREFERENCE - THEY ALL HAVE IT! If you think xsense is going to be the solution its not - drifting and post processing is something you have to deal with on your own no matter what.
good and true info and im like you already have MVN Xsens suit and its better solution as setup from angle and price for the quality from other angle but my problem with it the MVN software it quite expensive specially for me in my country now and the cloud solution not good also with them hopefully found solution for that soon to use it again, but also that from my point view
Great video! I think Optitrack is cheaper than Vicon, unless we're talking about their latest cameras for really hudge volumes. In my opinion, systems such as VICON or Optitrack capture movement frequencies that are smoothed by other systems: style, physics, expressions, little ticks on actors. It's important to note that. They are also interesting for recording rigid bodies and contacts in comparison with other systems, but also for multi-character. We can also compare the price for the whole chain between the systems: if we add all these elements together : - monthly subscription or cost per second on the server (depends on the volume) - post-processing time in human cost - loss of time during production because there is no feedback - number of actors (about 3 actors with X-SENS vs VICON/Optitrack ?) In the end, perhaps it is better to rent a motion capture studio or directly buy the expensive solution
The software-as-a-service fees are like a hidden scam on the backend. Its one thing to drop 10k on a suit, only to find that you gotta 'rent' the software at outrageous prices just to make it work.
I use ipi soft to track with two cameras (Xbox One Kinect) and dev my emotes in Roblox, it works decently for indie dev, which I think is cheap, and different plans fit you.
I want a multiwebcam solution. Right now, there is iPisoft and, since last week, Rokoko vision. I don’t know which one to choose. I’m in Brazil and defined can’t purchase any suit because it literally costs 10 times the price to import from here
The problem with the likes of iPi Soft and Rokoko Vision is that you need to have a really big room if you want to have plenty of recording area space. Something like a longer running take is impossible.
@Daydream Studios Thank you for the review. I LOVE the room you set up. Is that your office or game room? For computer animation which suit would you recommend? I have been leaning towards Rokoko but now that I found these others I was thinking which would you believe is better for animation if money was not an issue.
Looks like Rokoko have a new firmware to fix magnetic interference, also there’s new dual camera AI , I have try it is looks like Move AI but with only 2 cameras
I have the V1 suit. It drifts A LOT. The gloves are good but the thumbs are weird. I’m still getting useful stuff but be prepared to clean up. IClone is great for simple fixes.
An excellent explanation of the advantages and disadvantages of each of the capture systems. Only one very, very important detail that was not mentioned here and is very critical to know before purchasing. It's the crazy and gross price and lacks any proportion of the xsens company for using their software. And it really sounds like a kind of pointless and disproportionate extortion.
Thank you for the video! next time show me more footage of you riding around in a little kart and tell me more stories about your past as a professional wrestler or whatever it is that you said
And don't forget the helmet and the iphone 15, and of course a beefy Desktop.. (and Unreal will not be free soon) BUT ... man, results are amazing though. @@JasonAdank
100% bro these are AAA game - Film quality results. I was amazed at what you could achieve in 48 hours. Looking forward to seeing more stuff @@DaydreamStudiosHub
This is quality content. Not enough people talk about mocap and have so much experience in the industry working with so many different technologies. Thank youu!!!!!
LMAO I love you used me jumping on the air mattress
Good stuff though I'm pretty much in agreement with all your statements here
Yeah, the air mattress is classic TH-cam footage!
@@binyaminbass 🤣
Xsense makes a big mistake with milking subscription model.... I don't wanna invest in a suit that could be just a piece of cloth, without paying them every year for a software.
If you are willing to take out a second morgage, they do have a perpetual lisence, last I checked, at like-- 26 or 27,000 dollars. Which is- total BS.
@@honaleri $33k and only 3 years of updates
Great comparison video. I totally agree with everything you mentioned. I love my Xsens Awinda Starter it’s just at the level where it starts to get pricey but still affordable for us small independents. The tracking data works well but sometimes you have minimal cleanup. Great review and thanks for having me featured in it. Keep up the great work👌🏾
Thank you so much! As someone who's trying to look into motion capture for a usecase that's not too well documented (music performance), hearing the depth of your reviews/pros/cons is SUPER helpful. Especially the fact that you always reference back to the hand tracking... Excellent overview
This screams for a 2024 comparison!
PUSH!!!!
Indeed
Rokoko mocap suit for the win still , I’ve used all ai video versions and even some still in beta and development but nothing better than an internal mocap suit , with full finger control , and less clean up
Great review!
Thank you so much for the work you do for the mocap community.
Of course. I love our community. :)
What do you think about Xsens software pricing? The "plus" version of their recording software, that allows you to use more than one suit and capture footage from a witness camera, is priced at $3250 per year. On top of that you still have to pay $230 per month to process the data and export it to fbx. How does the final cost compare when in context with the other solutions you covered?
Great review! I got the xsens awinda middle version myself and i found it to fit my needs the best as i dont want to be locked to a volume nor do i want to set up cameras each time i want to record. The only thing i wouldn't use it for is stunts and in bad weather as the data either looks bad or even gets corrupted on hard impacts.
I like how you've got seven subscribers with no videos!
What suite would you say handles real-time virtual concerts best without body suits? Like just a band performing from their studio or home with mocap cameras feeding their digital twins inside an Unreal Engine venue for live performances.
Amazing review. Especially hearing the experience of those expensive solutions. Thank you!
WTH? Mean Kitty guy? i was literally randomly thinking about that video when i got my cat last Monday (20/11). The "he isnt mean he is just playing" part because in those 5 days i have scars o.o. Haku is a serious player...
But yeah kinda freaky how i am thinking of you and 3D Capture for a potential personal project AND BOOM the world (algorithm/manifestation) serves you up.
Seeing you made my year or whats left of it ^_^
Thank you so much for this video. Helps a lot :)
thanks for your videos, very practical info! Would love to see where the the Sony mocopi and Htc Vive pucks stand in comparaison to Xsens and Rokoko
@Daydream Studios What do you think about Deepmotion?
It’s crazy watching DudeLikeHella and SMPFilms 15 years ago and seeing him again now.
Just need your opinion for live streaming with sitting pose like live podcast , which one is best for me. I don't have much money. Rokoko or Xsens?
Great breakdown thanks Cory, I'm 12 years into 3d & have always hesitated to dive into mocap, wondered if you have recommendations on hiring, what kit could i hire as a novice and get an effective amount of experience with in a 1 week window
?
Hi, what do you think is best approach for solo artist just looking for basic motion capture to use for shadow and reflection casting? I plan on having myself filmed for music videos, where I will play guitar seated, sometimes will be walking, standing, sitting. I don't really need finger tracking. I will then place myself in 3D scenes. But I need at same time capture of the guitar. Thanks!
For me, in your context, alone with shadow and reflection, the best quality/price ratio is just using a Kinect. If you have more budget, ask a professionel assisting you with Optitrack or Vicon. Other solutions are not possible because of battery or drift
Thank you for sharing Cory!!!
Hey, thanks a lot for your sharing
thank you for your video! I recently got into Plave, virtual idol that are using real time motion capture for their livestream every week for 2 hours so I always wonder what type of mocap they use for their livestream
Very good presentation! I watched it with interest. I would like to ask you if the Rokoko system is suitable for recording sign language for the deaf, where the signer can be either seated or standing, as we are interested in capturing only the upper part of the body. Of course, we want excellent recording of the hands and just satisfactory recording of the face. If Rokoko is not suitable, what would you recommend for the project I described? Thank you very much.
I wouldn't say it's a match for that kind of a work.
With obvious and easy to read gestures it should do the job, but - and I believe, that may depend of the workflow you'll choose - they won't provide reliable readings. I see them distorting the positioning of the fingers in relation to the hand palm. And it's not a question of unprecise calibration or any other reasons that could be solved with counter calibration preset. The distortions differ within same motion capture take depending of the individual gesture (fingers straight or bend, or wrists twist). At the end no raw mocap data could be streammed without some serious cleaning before. And that - with fingers - takes time.
Have you tried Brekel OpenVR Recorder with Vive or Tundra Trackers?
The game changer is the Coil for Rokoko coming out in November! Wish you mentioned that.
I think he did at 5:37
Coilpro? It's a total waste!
Thank you fo rthis valuable feedbacks! I'm looking fo motion capture suits that is more accurate specially in fingers and also face capture as I'm more focused on SignLanguage which the fingers and facial is the important parts, do you have any idea which one is more suitable to look into it?
SMP FILMS! I recognized you immediately from old TH-cam!
I never left TH-cam. I just shifted around to all of my different channels. Welcome to my newest venture!
Thank you Corey! Very valuable info!
wow, thanks for the VR thing! that's something new! Might be cool to capture movement inside of my own scene in Blender, it seems to be possible with that app
That's a great overview. I have extensively tested and implemented all these in our software and I can tell from experience that the Noitom PN studio is the best value for content creators.
how is Xsens MVN for face? I see you are showing a lo-fi avatar in real time there, but I'm not sure how that face motion is captured, cause you don't have a head-mounted cam. Is it using a camera that's far away? How would that map onto more detailed models?
Lemme know too
I would add that you also need to know what you're doing.
Can't expect just to buy the most expensive one and that leading straight to getting flawless results.
I've worked with an Optitrack system a lot and depending on all the work we put into setting up the cameras and blocking out sun light and so on, the quality varied between great to unusable.
You said XSens is stable, but do you encounter any drift at all with your MVN Link? I'm skeptical about them since it's not optical and if Rokoko drifts, what's stopping XSens?
For information, here is a « prehistoric » video about full-body motion-capture (1993...) :
th-cam.com/video/7P3S1ttag_8/w-d-xo.html
none of you that have not seen a mocap suit can make an informed decision. I have two rokoko suits and pre ordered the coil but only came to that conclusion after going to SIGGRAPGH and seeing 5 different vendors in person. Some might benefit from some ai stuff while others really need a reliable suit. Rokoko has been great so far but your mileage may vary for your needs. MAGNETIC INTEREFERENCE - THEY ALL HAVE IT! If you think xsense is going to be the solution its not - drifting and post processing is something you have to deal with on your own no matter what.
Would you consider options like slime VR, tundra trackers, or vive trackers non viable?
good and true info and im like you already have MVN Xsens suit and its better solution as setup from angle and price for the quality from other angle but my problem with it the MVN software it quite expensive specially for me in my country now and the cloud solution not good also with them hopefully found solution for that soon to use it again, but also that from my point view
excellent!
now do one on live markerless mocap, particularly Move AI vs Radical AI vs Captury
Ah dang, my VR mocap solution didn't make the list, haha. Probably for the best as I don't want to end up in the 'wonky' category.
Nice comparison !
Great video! I think Optitrack is cheaper than Vicon, unless we're talking about their latest cameras for really hudge volumes.
In my opinion, systems such as VICON or Optitrack capture movement frequencies that are smoothed by other systems: style, physics, expressions, little ticks on actors. It's important to note that.
They are also interesting for recording rigid bodies and contacts in comparison with other systems, but also for multi-character.
We can also compare the price for the whole chain between the systems: if we add all these elements together :
- monthly subscription or cost per second on the server (depends on the volume)
- post-processing time in human cost
- loss of time during production because there is no feedback
- number of actors (about 3 actors with X-SENS vs VICON/Optitrack ?)
In the end, perhaps it is better to rent a motion capture studio or directly buy the expensive solution
AR51 is new to me. What’s roughly their pricing?
Happy to see you
The software-as-a-service fees are like a hidden scam on the backend. Its one thing to drop 10k on a suit, only to find that you gotta 'rent' the software at outrageous prices just to make it work.
I totally get that but at the same time, I couldn’t do my work the way I do without it. AI is trying but it’s just not there.
Thank you for sharing this info
I use ipi soft to track with two cameras (Xbox One Kinect) and dev my emotes in Roblox, it works decently for indie dev, which I think is cheap, and different plans fit you.
I want a multiwebcam solution. Right now, there is iPisoft and, since last week, Rokoko vision. I don’t know which one to choose.
I’m in Brazil and defined can’t purchase any suit because it literally costs 10 times the price to import from here
The problem with the likes of iPi Soft and Rokoko Vision is that you need to have a really big room if you want to have plenty of recording area space. Something like a longer running take is impossible.
check canpuppets.. two webcam and good data..
@Daydream Studios Thank you for the review. I LOVE the room you set up. Is that your office or game room? For computer animation which suit would you recommend? I have been leaning towards Rokoko but now that I found these others I was thinking which would you believe is better for animation if money was not an issue.
Looks like Rokoko have a new firmware to fix magnetic interference, also there’s new dual camera AI , I have try it is looks like Move AI but with only 2 cameras
How precise is it? I'm thinking of subbing.
Thank you for this video
You didn’t mention Rokoko requires subscriptions
Thank you.
Would you say Rokoko is good enough for a small animation studio where I'd use the suit mainly for 1-2 minute takes at most?
I have the V1 suit. It drifts A LOT. The gloves are good but the thumbs are weird. I’m still getting useful stuff but be prepared to clean up. IClone is great for simple fixes.
@@FPChris yeah I heard the v1 is not very good. Many nightmare stories!
No its bad I sold my suit
what about captury studio?
maybe Wonder Studio?
yes, please test Wonder Studio
An excellent explanation of the advantages and disadvantages of each of the capture systems.
Only one very, very important detail that was not mentioned here and is very critical to know before purchasing. It's the crazy and gross price and lacks any proportion of the xsens company for using their software. And it really sounds like a kind of pointless and disproportionate extortion.
Thank you for the video! next time show me more footage of you riding around in a little kart and tell me more stories about your past as a professional wrestler or whatever it is that you said
Bro raise the goal that was a 5ft dunk bro did
Sup Corey! Hope you've been doing well man!
Have you been on youtube a while? Your face is so familiar
hope u make an update to this vid for 2025 :)
Uf ok, so a Xsens MVN Link suit with gloves is about 10 grand. Back to control rig....
and you gotta rent the software to make it work for #300 A MONTH
And don't forget the helmet and the iphone 15, and of course a beefy Desktop.. (and Unreal will not be free soon) BUT ... man, results are amazing though. @@JasonAdank
It’s definitely not cheap but it gets the job done a heck of a lot faster. Being faster means I can take on more jobs.
100% bro these are AAA game - Film quality results. I was amazed at what you could achieve in 48 hours. Looking forward to seeing more stuff @@DaydreamStudiosHub
@@DaydreamStudiosHub Rent the soft after paid all this stuff, it's just clearly too expensive
Sony mocopi
what he said around the end is one of the dumbest things i have ever heard.