Thanks so much Jon boy. Countless hours of testing, which i loved, followed by endless hours of editing, which I didn't love :p. Let's hope that it's well received and that the questions that I've been asked over the past month are being answered. I appreciate you taking the time to comment on my video :)
Yeah you’re not the first to mention that :) there are two backing tracks but they could have been half the volume really. Thanks for the kind feedback :)
Nice work Lawrence! I'll be reviewing this same unit along with the Formula wheel next week! Very interested to see how this goes compared to my DD2 and SC2 Ultimate.
@@LaurenceDusoswa You're both great! :) Great review Laurence. One thing: The second wheel is not a formula wheel. It's also 30mm diameter and therefore typical GT3 form-factor. Looks like they tried to replicate the AMG GT3 wheel. Just to be the 'I-told-you'-guy ;)
These are retailing at 899-1000usd not including shipping it doesn't end up being any more affordable than any other wheel. The fanetec is $1200. (Sourcing your own osw parts is $950...) Your basically spending 80-90% of the cost of the more powerful wheels and getting 30-50-% less powerful motor.
Actually I just visited their website and it cost $1039 which means that in Europe is even more expensive (I don´t know why is always more expensive in Europe even being a stronger coin :( )
@@LaurenceDusoswa How does it work out cheaper than the Simplicity SW20 which has 20Nm for £514.99? For the same price as Simagic M10 you can buy the SW25 which offers 25Nm of force.
@@theauthenticsteve just googled that wheel is Discontinued and the site says it cost more then what you said. Link: sim-pli.city/products/sw20-20nm-direct-drive-wheel
Thanks for the extensive and interesting review mate - liked and subbed. I remember talking to a company on the SimRacing Expo that wanted my opinion on them expanding their brand with (yet another) wheel. I told them to rather make a DD base, as the market was too high priced and the competition scarce. Which is what simagic have gone and done. Good for them.
That quick release looks great. I despise the QR on my DD2. My biggest concern would be customer service and warranty and will they be around at the end of the year. You really never know what’s going on in China.
Yep, it’s a worry alright. But let’s give them the benefit of the doubt for now. The quick release is amazing in the simagic isn’t it 😍 just so so clean and satisfying.
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Yes that's what jumped out for me too. I'm a purist and my aim is to have a bare bones wheel, which is easier said than done on current products.
@@LaurenceDusoswa It's the same QR than the Accuforce and my V1 had internal connection first, but the buttons failed after some time and i had to use the cable instead. That's why the V2 just comes with the cable as the only option. So this problem might happen with your wheel as well.
>You really never know what’s going on in China. Wow, the comment was amde when people were saying the Corona would be nothing and we should focus on the flu...
A converter available for other makes of wheel sounds interesting, though the quick release system for its own wheel looks a real professional job. No doubt the product has potential as soon as they setup a proper online customer support service
I just spent almost 500€ in a T300 Ferrari Alcantara + TH8A... i'm happy with it but this things seems completely next level for not that much more money.
This looks awesome! On the fly adjustments, 10 Nm which is very powerful (trust me, a direct drive wheel at 7 Nm feels way more powerful, quicker, and fidelic than a "regular" wheel like a Fanatec CSW v2 at the same 7 Nm), stepper motor where you can't feel the steps and is smooth as silk, servo / stepper motor reliability, very strong construction, quick release. At $600, this is almost TOO good! This wheel is awesome for people who aren't crazy into simracing but, when they do play, want high levels of power or those who want an awesome, fidelic, powerful wheel but don't need the power nor want to spend the crazy money on something like a Simucube or Fanatec Podium DD. At $600, these should sell like crazy!
Hi Laurence, thanks for the review, its a shame that the console racers have been left out in the cold again but we can keep our fingers crossed and just hope we will b looked after sometime into the further. The old man from over the seas.
Hey old man from over the seas :) I love your comments :) It's a shame for sure and they really want to because the pricing really appeals to console users. Honestly, it all depends on sales in the PC market i think. If they can capture a portion of PC, they'll definitely want to move to console. I wouldn't be surprised if several console DD units pop up this year, or maybe they're all working towards the 5th generation of the major consoles.
Hi, There is 3 or 4 of us wait to see what DD wheel to buy. We are waiting until the new Playstation 5 comes out in Oct/Nov . It would be great if Simagic are in the game by then. We all have G29 wheels but they are just toys up again the DD wheels that are out there or we could just bite the bullet and buy into iracing, ACC, eta eta
yeah, I love my logitech G27 but it's a different league in DD. I think the move to PC is worth it, regardless of the hardware, the software and content is just amazing, as well as the communities.
@@stevepalmer5945 I can see being a sim racer with both a PC and a console, but being a sim racer solely on console doesn't even compare to the PC sim racing ecosystem. You aren't just missing out by not playing on PC , you aren't even really in the equation at all.
This base is rather fascinating as a long-term Logitech owner, potentially serves as an alternative to high-end Thrustmaster or Fanatec Clubsport, though learning how the price will turn out for someone like me in Australia is a big factor that might change that. Good review!
Yeah your fellow australian over at Boosted Media is doing a review as we speak, so that should be live in the coming days! I'm looking forward to seeing it.
Another great review, I do agree with David, background music is a tad loud, especially as English is not my first language and you do have an accent, I didn't understand some words. However, I like how you layout your review and mention everyday issues that may impact one's experience of the product.
The TS-PC racer is the best belt driven wheel, in my opinion. If you can get one second hand, they tend to be good money and when coupled with the right settings, they feel amazing. But DD is another step up again.
I think if people are looking for the best value budget option on the market at the moment they would be better off going with Sim-plicity, (excluding tax and shipping) the SW20 20Nm wheelbase can be ordered for £514.99, the SW25 25Nm can be ordered for £549.99 and the SW30 30 Nm can be ordered for £649.99.
It just doesn’t seem as accessible as this and the wheel rim sold me on it. Sure, nm is nice to have. But it’s a bit like horsepower. It’s great for a conversation in a bar. Not saying 10nm is perfect but lots of people with 20+ nm wheels run them at 25%.
@@LaurenceDusoswa Well there is also the Simplicity SW8C+ for only £399.99 and the SW13C+ for only £499.99. And Simplicity customers so far seem to be very happy. And he lives near you so at least in your case I'm not sure how a wheel from China can be considered more accessible than a wheel based in London. I don't consider those I just mentioned great value options compared to the ones I mentioned earlier but the point is you are getting a product cheaper from a small guy who lives near you compared to a product from China that really should be cheaper than it is. To put it in perspective, this 10Nm wheel will cost me over $1800 in Australia by the time it gets to my door with the wheel while the SW20 will cost me $1283 delivered to my door and sure the wheel is not included with the SW20 but I already know where I can get a wheel I really like for less than the difference. If I just want the cheapest (new) DD on the market I could get the SW8C+ for only $979 delivered to my door but I'd rather pay $300 more for a much better wheel. I personally would never run a 20Nm DD wheel at 25%, I would be likely to run a 20Nm wheel at 100% with in sim settings that would provide 8-12Nm of force under normal conditions and this would allow room for spikes so valuable information isn't being lost. If I owned a 10Nm wheel I'd be forced to run the wheel at 8Nm of force during normal driving to keep some headroom for spikes. I feel like 12Nm is about the minimum force a good wheel needs while 15-20 would be much better.
I just had another look at the simplicity site. It feels very much like I’m buying a part for my washing machine, not a consumer product. It’s just not a pleasant looking device and although it may be technically capable, it doesn’t appeal to me as a consumer. Hope that makes sense.
@@LaurenceDusoswa Yeah it kind of makes sense but not really. Simplicity sell a box controller and motor system like Bodnar, Accuforce, Ionicube or SC1 systems. The Mige motors are an attractive motor and the control box although large is a good looking control box. After Accuforce I personally think the Simplicity package is the best looking on the market for this kind. If aesthetics is your only priority then the Chinese AIO product is the better product. But Ollie was one of if not the first on the market building and selling complete DD systems. His products are built using a tested and proven design. And considering he has sold complete packages in the past I'm sure if he was asked he could either hook the buyer up with a wheel or point them to the best option to fit their needs. What you are getting with Simplicity is the most affordable DD system on the market using proven components, his new package with warranty is selling for less than some people are selling their second hand SC1's. And there is no way a small builder outside of China could sell a Mige based system for less. It is better in every way than the Chinese 10Nm offering shown here except for aesthetics and the AIO compactness. All I'm pointing out is what I said in the OP, if people want the best value DD option on the market right now, they should look at Simplicity. Personally I'm a bit disappointed at the price of this Chinese offering. It could and should be lower.
I just wanted to say I stopped your video halfway through to make this comment I have never seen anyone in a review do what you just did with that direct drive wheel quick release that is a stress test my friend you might have just surpassed a Barry Roland's review Sim racing garage if you're not familiar but I'm sure you are. Absolutely killer review man we'll have to be looking at this wheel for sure.
Hahaha that’s massive praise. To even be considered as comparable in any way to him is a massive massive honour. Thanks for taking the time to comment mate, that really means a lot to me and for it to be in such high regard has made my day.
Hahaha let’s hope the factory workers and their families are all safe from the coronavirus. There’s a delay with initial shipments now, which is understandable
Why is the input lag so bad on this wheel base? In each video, lag was clearly apparent on screen, and each screen was different, suggesting it's unlikely a display problem. Is this due to the wireless technology as opposed to USB? For me, the lag is a killer and if it's as a result of wheel design, then I wouldn't buy it.
Yeah it depends on your country, but pricing can be similar. I don’t have any experience with the accuforce v2 unfortunately so I cannot give you the correct advice :)
Thx for a great informative video! Ive seen some videos of this dd setup. Many has been kind of poor. Made me look away from the product. But yours was as said informative and good. Made me want to explore this product more. Im a fanatec 2.5 user now. Looking into dd. And like fanatec ecosystem. But this made me think i might go this way insted of a dd1 from fanatec.
Thanks for the great feedback. What i would do if i were you: 1. look into options to keep your fanatec rims. so, usb conversion and QR adapter for simagic. You would have to do this to every rim though, which will get costly. 2. give the simagic a few weeks, and then decide what to do. Bear in mind that your fanatec products will always have second hand value, which could definitely free up funds towards the Simagic or even a fancy custom rim or cubecontrols or rosso sim racing wheel. It's a potentially big move for people who are very loyal to great brands like fanatec or thrustmaster which have a good rim ecosystem. It's also worth noting, that Simagic are going to release a glorious looking GT4 (formula style) rim which is worth keeping an eye out for! I can't wait to get my hands on one.
@@LaurenceDusoswa thx for reply. Fanatec in Norway has a high second hand value. (allso bought it second hand) 🙈 i went to simagic website, just now. They have now listed a 15Nm bundle with that formulawheel.. 1599 dollar. For me, i think the 10Nm is enough. With both rims. But wait a bit. Maby this will do something with the overall price/competition. Simagic DD cost the same as fanatec csw 2.5... (about)
I think that only time will tell how the simagic slots into the market. Hopefully many will buy, share their experience and we’ll know in a few months how good or bad ownership of a simagic is. I plan to share all my findings and as this is my own wheel, I’ll be using it for the coming months for all kinds of racing including competitive online league racing.
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@@LaurenceDusoswa I suppose that's how it goes with a lot of products. Europe and the US pioneer the ideas/tech and then China mass produces it cheaply. There's no reason a DD base alone should cost getting a grand once we get into mass market; its just an electric motor with a PC input encoder.
Please tell me about how Simagic is cheaper... Simagic 10Nm stepper motor 699$ vs Simucube (2) Pro 25Nm custom servo motor (made in Austria) 1200$. And the "Alpha" base by Simagic: 15Nm for 1200$ (example: encoder resolution --> M10 = 16,385 ppr ... Alpha = 262,144 ppr ... SC1 and SC2 = 1,050,000 ppr....). The Simucube 2 Sport has 17Nm and is 1029$. sorry Simagic is not cheaper than the competition. Simagic has also to prove the reliability and quality of their products. Simucube 1 and 2 have no recorded failures or malfunctions since release. Fanatec DD1 & 2 already have reports of malfunctions and blown up power supplys. I would never buy a DD base with less than 20Nm torque, but that's a personal thing. 10Nm is good for GT3 and TCR cars but you have to run it at 80% to 90% power. Not really much headroom for spikes and I can assure you that it will get hot, which again is not healthy for the magnets in the motor over longer periods. So, prices from Granite Devices are already very sensible looking at build quality, software (FFB quality) and reliability. Again, Simagic is not cheaper, it's even more expensive when looking at their "Alpha" base.
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@@Tintop Well the heat and performance remains to be seen, although reviews seem to be very positive. It seems clear that there will be a whole lot of mid-range sim racers out there for whom this will be a very satisfactory upgrade from their G29s.
@ yeah, I don't say it's not good for "entry level" simracers who want to experience direct drive. Accuforce already shows that. But looking at the prices closely reveals that Simagic is actually more expensive with their bases (I updated my previous post).
Lovely to come across a fellow Irish Sim racer, even better that your videos are really put together. Subscribed for sure 👍 For your road car, with the bride seats, extended drift sessions and the old school Nismo logo on the horn, im guessing it's an S14 or R32 gts-t?
Hahaha you can’t miss the Irish accent :) cheers for the sub! Very close with the guesses for the car :) I have a 180sx and an s13 silvia. Slowly building my gran turismo garage from 20 years ago 😂😂😂
@@LaurenceDusoswa Haha absolutely unmistakable! As soon as I heard "What's the craic?" I thought "Well shite, he's very Irish!". It was a nice reminder of home :) I'm living in China at the moment so might see if I can pick up one of these wheel bases locally, if I don't get taken by the coronavirus in the mean time... That's a mighty stable you're building for yourself! A type-X 180/200sx is definitely up near the top of my dream real life Gran Turismo garage. Hopefully I can get myself into an R34 before they become even more unobtainable!
I know! They're gone nuts these days. Yeah be careful with that coronavirus. Someone in the North is suspected of having contracted it now and about 10 people in the UK too. You should be able to pick up an M10 locally there, yeah. They've been selling them in China since 2018. Welcome along to the channel anyways dude!
Great review. No console support is a deal killer for me. Looks like a real competitor in the segment tho. I do have to acknowledge that I am torn with great Chinese product with what we know about forced tech transfer, technology theft and how the Chinese drive down labor costs with basically a slave driven work force. Like I said, I'm torn because it does appear to be another very good product.
@@LaurenceDusoswa Thatxs why the Fanatec PS4 podium F1 DD1 wheel is really the only viable option for someone like me and still have a future In PC expansion. I think even though there's a big price difference they are still competitive price points given the offered rims and the difference in specs. I think the heavier wheel of the Chinese product will mute the definition of the DD albeit however slightly. The real game changer on the Chinese product is the absolute positive lock of the Chinese hub. Fanatec could learn something here.
nice video.. i want to buy fanatec but they didnt ship it to my country(malaysia) but simagic maybe a good alternative for me.. the price is quite good
When I get my hands on a sim-lab rig :) is there anything in particular you want to know? Some scenes in this video were of the unit attached to a sim-lab rig.
You’re right :) my in game rotation was actually different to my wheel rotation. I only realised it after I took the footage. It’s a simple settings issue :)
please do the video you mention, sharing your settings. I am hoping to get one of these this year and wheel setup is always something i struggle with :(
Tiene buena pinta ,no siempre lo chino tiene que ser malo, pero hay que esperar a opiniones/review de gente común y no esto promocional que queda muy bonito ,envíen para que la gente la pruebe como Barry Rowland de simracing garage un tipo serio objetivo 👍
thank you for your comment. But this is not a promotional video. I got a 200euro discount for being an early reviewer but spent over 500euro going to the Autosport exhibition in Birmingham. So this wheel is costing me more than what most people will pay. I hope that clears things up.
@@LaurenceDusoswa It's just that many guys can't seem to get a feel for braking with their left foot.. And I think they'r missing out! Yet there's a boy doing this in your vid! :P
If they can deliver a reliable, durable and robust system for less than a Fanatec CSW2.5 then it's really a no-brainer. Fanatec CSW is belt driven (yes yes, brush-less motor which supplies power to rubber belt/pulleys) and will die much faster than any DD motor. Unless Simagic turns out to be a cheaply made 'turkey' there's no contest with any belt driven wheel and should result in the death of belt driven wheels over $500. Wish them luck.
Any way this is for sale ? I want a dd so bad but I will have to wait , which is ok . I am kinda waiting on Fanatec to get the CSL back soon . If you need to clean out the gameroom lmk🤘🏼🏁
Hi Lawrence.can you confirm it is ok to mount the wheel base from the bottom 4 threads? I’ve just purchased an M10 and wanting to mount from below on a flat deck rig.
I changed my wheel in February/March because I got the opportunity to review the Simagic alpha which was released this week. However I know many people with the m10 and they are all very very happy.
That was my fault with settings though. The rotation of the wheel was different to that of my game. A bit silly on my part and it sent everything out of sync.
Yeah that's just my inability to follow simple instructions :p I had different rotation speeds for the game than for the wheel so it messed up royally. The footage i took of me driving was literally the first day i got it so i was still setting it up.
It doesn't look bad but what do you think of the software, on the road you feel what you need to feel like the other brands, 10 NM is not much for a max settings
Simagic have reached out to ask me to tell everyone that orders will not be processed until after Chinese New Year (25th January 2020). If you are looking for your local authorised distributor, please contact facebook.com/Simagic-Official-101743794578737/ For EU orders, I highly recommend this authorised EU reseller: digital-motorsports.com/products/simagic-m10-ddw-direct-drive-wheel-base-and-steering-wheel. I don't get any commision or referral fees for any Simagic products.
@@LaurenceDusoswa I'm stuck because I dont have a dd wheel I have g29 and I like it. But I know there is better out there. If i was to get a direct drive wheel i know I'm going to want a shifter and pedals too and the 3 monitors. Man this is gonna be worth it. I'll just save my money up.
Hahaha yeah it’s a slippery slope. I highly recommend getting a second hand thrustmaster TS-PC racer and use that for a year or 2. Amazing upgrade from the logitech
Hey Laurence do you reckon I should pick up the m10 or wait for the alpha mini to be released birthdays coming up in August and I'm not to sure which one to go with 😂
The alpha mini must be better, otherwise they wouldn’t discontinue the m10. So for that reason I would only do it if the m10 is significantly cheaper than the alpha mini. Also consider the supply issues which Simagic usually suffers. It’s a tough one to call.
@@LaurenceDusoswa yeah I was looking at the Abruzzi site with your link and there In stock at the moment tis a nightmare my t150 is only doing so much for me these days 😂😂
@@billfarrell223 the abruzzi deal is definitely worth while. I still speak highly of the m10 because it’s an amazing bit of kit and a great entry into DD. But that doesn’t really do it justice, calling it ‘entry level DD’ because for most, it’s going to be your forever wheel because most people don’t need ‘more’.
I has a Fanatec belt but may save up for a few years to upgrade. BUT I don't want to spend that much and NOT be compatible with PS5 or Xbox X series....
hello I have a question, I have G902 and I'm thinking of getting csl dd or alpha mini and I would like you to advise me the fanatec is 800 euros with a steering wheel and the alpha mine is 1000 euros with a steering wheel but I think the alpha is better quality
There’s no relationship. Just that many people who buy this will be coming from a Logitech steering wheel. There’s no association between the two companies.
Yes I’ve used a 2.5 a lot. Direct drive is a big step up from a belt driven wheel. The 2.5 is good but not as good as a DD wheel. It’s definitely worth the upgrade.
Hi, which type of quick relase do you have on your car's wheels? Could you provide me with a name and/or link? I'm thinking of using the M10 with my custom rim, so I'd need one. Also, could you please tell something about the dimensions and weight of the base?
Hey Andreas! I have the NRG Quick Release 2.0 system on my cars. However, any D1 spec system, even cheap knock offs, should fit and should be good enough for sim racing. The NRG system is very expensive. As for the dimensions of the base, I don't have it in front of me but at a guess, it's about 350mm long and around 200mm wide. Weight-wise, I think it's about 12 or 13kg, not sure.
@@LaurenceDusoswa Thanks for your reply! As I am looking for a follow-up for my aging Thrustmaster TX base on my Playseat Challenge (at least flex is no issue, lol), weight is an important topic, and 12-13kg is waaaaaay to much. Well then, I hope a Simplicity SW8C+ will make it.
Where I could find the TM to Simagic wheel converter? I wasn’t able to find a proper one right now... I am Ts-xw owner with 6 rims so I have to consider to buy the base only...
I don't have any experience with a specific converter at this time. You'd need to convert every rim to USB and also change the mounting mechanism. I don't think it will work out much cheaper. Ideally you would only need one adapter, and all your rims would work with it. But I'm not aware of any product which does that currently
@@LaurenceDusoswa wait wait... in here you have a piece of interest: th-cam.com/video/T0bCiGQUm-A/w-d-xo.html tell me more please, it's the QR mounted on another wheel
in that segment, i show that my NRG quick release system uses the same pattern as the simagic. I cannot guarantee which cheap alternatives actually work with the simagic. What i have is something like this: www.ebay.ie/itm/NRG-QUICK-RELEASE-STEERING-WHEEL-HUB-BOSS-GEN-2-0/202624757324?hash=item2f2d606e4c:g:O9oAAOSwBKBcikwp That's way too expensive for a sim setup but i really need the quality and safety standards that NRG conforms to, as I use this setup in my road cars.
The Rosso shifters are still my favourite. The distance, pressure and click of the Rosso is difficult to beat. The gear shifters in the simagic are not as nice
It seems very good a great product very well done it looks strong CNC excellent parts works very well for how long? The only problem that I consider to be very risky is the internal quality of the electrical/electronic components. Chinese manufacturers in all their products install a calculated component that, after passing the warranty, will burn or break something happens and that beautiful product that had a price so accessible it does not work again if you have observed in everything happens the same no matter what it is, the clothes thread dissolved, the wires coverage of the electric cables is split on the tv a capacitor, diode, resistance burns in everything there is a control of useful time to the days of pass the guaranty end zip zip goodbye and that is a robbery to all the inhabitants of the world the biggest problem is that everything is made in China
I don't think that's true for everything to be honest. I have lots of chinese stuff (even if it's labelled as an american or european brand) which lasts far beyond its warranty.
the push pins and pads could be a flaw one day, something with that kind of force is gonna either wear those pins or pads down I've seen it happen in other electricals. Hope that they have managed to iron out these issues.
Sadly I thought this would come in under the price of the accuforce v2 the way you were talking about it. I would have bought it already if it worked out to 1K CAD instead after taxes its ~1500. Will have to wait a bit longer for that sweet spot.
Yes definitely. Although check out boosted media’s review because he says it’s not better in some ways. I think it’s a lot better and with time, people will come out with even better settings for the M10.
There's nothing from simagic. But TM themselves supply this handy adapter which would work great for your needs: www.thrustmaster.com/products/trj12-usb-adapter
Hey Audy! The alpha is more powerful and there's no worldwide release date planned for it yet. They're quite different products, and I haven't gotten a chance to test the Alpha yet. To answer your original question: it feels great! I love PC2 and this wheel gave me good reason to spend some time with it :) I did the majority of my testing in AC as i know it inside out. For PC2 you need to set it up as a 'custom' input device as it wont be on the preset list. and you need to select 'separate pedals' and map stuff individually before you can get going. there's a little video on setup here but it only takes a minute and is easy enough to figure out: th-cam.com/video/tx8CvjcVURc/w-d-xo.html
I upgraded my Logitech pedals to fanatec pedals. Any USB load cell pedals will be a big upgrade. Fanatec CSL Elite Load Cell, thrustmaster TLCM, or evening Fanatec V3 pedals will be perfect. Jump into my discord channel if you want more detail. Http://bit.ly/LDDiscord
That includes customs and taxes. It's the price from digital-motorsports.com/products/simagic-m10-ddw-direct-drive-wheel-base-and-steering-wheel. delivery anywhere in EU is less than €30 as far as i know
It’s PC only, so any pedals that can hook up through usb will work. But they’ve actually included an adapter so that you can use your existing Logitech pedals and shifter with this wheel.
Ok :) I’ll have a ferrari 488 at Spa please. I want it tonight between 8pm and 10pm. Also, I don’t want to pay for tyres or damage or fuel... or crew, or travel. :)
@@LaurenceDusoswa if you have a money to spend 1000 on a DD wheel i am sure u will have the money to someday buy a real ferarri...I love cars and racing games, but i cant even afford a drivers licence and i am working 2 jobs. And i know there are people that come from worse enviroment. So this is insulting to pay so much mone for a fcking SIM wheel drive..
Very well presented and structured review. This product looks brilliant for people looking to upgrade to direct drive.
Thanks so much Jon boy. Countless hours of testing, which i loved, followed by endless hours of editing, which I didn't love :p. Let's hope that it's well received and that the questions that I've been asked over the past month are being answered. I appreciate you taking the time to comment on my video :)
Great review. I found the background music a shade too loud/intrusive, would be interested to know if others felt the same
Yeah you’re not the first to mention that :) there are two backing tracks but they could have been half the volume really.
Thanks for the kind feedback :)
Always. I hate background music in video's.
Frederique Rijsdijk Always. I hate apostrophes, where no apostrophes belong.
I like the professionalism and positive energy you bring to your vids man.
Thanks so much man! It’s a learning curve and making the time is difficult. But these products deserve the time and attention
Nice work Lawrence! I'll be reviewing this same unit along with the Formula wheel next week! Very interested to see how this goes compared to my DD2 and SC2 Ultimate.
Thanks so much for commenting. Extremely high praise coming from you. I can’t wait to hear thoughts!
@@LaurenceDusoswa You're both great! :) Great review Laurence. One thing: The second wheel is not a formula wheel. It's also 30mm diameter and therefore typical GT3 form-factor. Looks like they tried to replicate the AMG GT3 wheel. Just to be the 'I-told-you'-guy ;)
These are retailing at 899-1000usd not including shipping it doesn't end up being any more affordable than any other wheel. The fanetec is $1200. (Sourcing your own osw parts is $950...)
Your basically spending 80-90% of the cost of the more powerful wheels and getting 30-50-% less powerful motor.
It definitely works out way cheaper here in Ireland.
Actually I just visited their website and it cost $1039 which means that in Europe is even more expensive (I don´t know why is always more expensive in Europe even being a stronger coin :( )
@@LaurenceDusoswa How does it work out cheaper than the Simplicity SW20 which has 20Nm for £514.99? For the same price as Simagic M10 you can buy the SW25 which offers 25Nm of force.
@@theauthenticsteve just googled that wheel is Discontinued and the site says it cost more then what you said. Link: sim-pli.city/products/sw20-20nm-direct-drive-wheel
@@onlyetm You should learn to use Google sim-pli.city/products/sw20-v3-20nm-direct-drive-wheel?variant=30706446893109 then click the April 14th order.
Thanks for the extensive and interesting review mate - liked and subbed.
I remember talking to a company on the SimRacing Expo that wanted my opinion on them expanding their brand with (yet another) wheel. I told them to rather make a DD base, as the market was too high priced and the competition scarce.
Which is what simagic have gone and done. Good for them.
Thanks for the like and sub! Glad you liked it. I haven’t been to the simracing expo, but I aim to go this year. Really looking forward to it.
@@LaurenceDusoswa Well, maybe we can meet there. All the best, mate!
100%! I want to meet as many subs as possible and plan to have stickers and other swag with me too
@@LaurenceDusoswa You'll recognise my by my WromWrom.net T-Shirt "See you at the Podium" 😉
That quick release looks great. I despise the QR on my DD2.
My biggest concern would be customer service and warranty and will they be around at the end of the year. You really never know what’s going on in China.
Yep, it’s a worry alright. But let’s give them the benefit of the doubt for now.
The quick release is amazing in the simagic isn’t it 😍 just so so clean and satisfying.
Yes that's what jumped out for me too. I'm a purist and my aim is to have a bare bones wheel, which is easier said than done on current products.
@@LaurenceDusoswa It's the same QR than the Accuforce and my V1 had internal connection first, but the buttons failed after some time and i had to use the cable instead. That's why the V2 just comes with the cable as the only option. So this problem might happen with your wheel as well.
>You really never know what’s going on in China.
Wow, the comment was amde when people were saying the Corona would be nothing and we should focus on the flu...
@@LaurenceDusoswa I would not. We will likely be at lets say odds with them in the near future.
A converter available for other makes of wheel sounds interesting, though the quick release system for its own wheel looks a real professional job. No doubt the product has potential as soon as they setup a proper online customer support service
Would be amazing. I’d highly recommend that they make one and release it. They’d hoover up loyalty and market share.
Now that is what I call a quick release, seeing people trying to get the fanatec dds to do the same is rather embarrassing lol...
Haha yeah I actually did a dedicated video about the quick release, that’s how much I love it :p th-cam.com/video/FVooJVZyI8E/w-d-xo.html
I just spent almost 500€ in a T300 Ferrari Alcantara + TH8A... i'm happy with it but this things seems completely next level for not that much more money.
Yep. It’s a lovely wheel and great price
This looks awesome! On the fly adjustments, 10 Nm which is very powerful (trust me, a direct drive wheel at 7 Nm feels way more powerful, quicker, and fidelic than a "regular" wheel like a Fanatec CSW v2 at the same 7 Nm), stepper motor where you can't feel the steps and is smooth as silk, servo / stepper motor reliability, very strong construction, quick release. At $600, this is almost TOO good! This wheel is awesome for people who aren't crazy into simracing but, when they do play, want high levels of power or those who want an awesome, fidelic, powerful wheel but don't need the power nor want to spend the crazy money on something like a Simucube or Fanatec Podium DD. At $600, these should sell like crazy!
Yeah, great summary! :) thanks!
Hi Laurence, thanks for the review, its a shame that the console racers have been left out in the cold again but we can keep our fingers crossed and just hope we will b looked after sometime into the further. The old man from over the seas.
Hey old man from over the seas :) I love your comments :) It's a shame for sure and they really want to because the pricing really appeals to console users. Honestly, it all depends on sales in the PC market i think. If they can capture a portion of PC, they'll definitely want to move to console.
I wouldn't be surprised if several console DD units pop up this year, or maybe they're all working towards the 5th generation of the major consoles.
Hi, There is 3 or 4 of us wait to see what DD wheel to buy. We are waiting until the new Playstation 5 comes out in Oct/Nov . It would be great if Simagic are in the game by then. We all have G29 wheels but they are just toys up again the DD wheels that are out there or we could just bite the bullet and buy into iracing, ACC, eta eta
yeah, I love my logitech G27 but it's a different league in DD. I think the move to PC is worth it, regardless of the hardware, the software and content is just amazing, as well as the communities.
@@stevepalmer5945 I can see being a sim racer with both a PC and a console, but being a sim racer solely on console doesn't even compare to the PC sim racing ecosystem. You aren't just missing out by not playing on PC , you aren't even really in the equation at all.
Hello Laurence Dusoswa, --> New fan and supporter here. I enjoyed watching your videos. --> Looking forward to watching your next video
Thanks! Welcome along!
I could see me picking this over the Fanatec, even if for price alone. But it looks great!
It’s a tempting price and a well out together package...
This base is rather fascinating as a long-term Logitech owner, potentially serves as an alternative to high-end Thrustmaster or Fanatec Clubsport, though learning how the price will turn out for someone like me in Australia is a big factor that might change that.
Good review!
Yeah your fellow australian over at Boosted Media is doing a review as we speak, so that should be live in the coming days! I'm looking forward to seeing it.
Theres a high end thrustmaster?
TS-PC or TS-XW are the 'high end' offerings. I'd be surprised if they're not working on a DD wheel though.
Another great review, I do agree with David, background music is a tad loud, especially as English is not my first language and you do have an accent, I didn't understand some words. However, I like how you layout your review and mention everyday issues that may impact one's experience of the product.
Thanks :) yeah the music was a bit off :) thanks for the great feedback :)
@@LaurenceDusoswa Nitpicking really but glad you welcomed the feedback :)
Was planning to go the Thrustmaster TS PC route but now I know better 😄 Thx!!
The TS-PC racer is the best belt driven wheel, in my opinion. If you can get one second hand, they tend to be good money and when coupled with the right settings, they feel amazing.
But DD is another step up again.
I think if people are looking for the best value budget option on the market at the moment they would be better off going with Sim-plicity, (excluding tax and shipping) the SW20 20Nm wheelbase can be ordered for £514.99, the SW25 25Nm can be ordered for £549.99 and the SW30 30 Nm can be ordered for £649.99.
It just doesn’t seem as accessible as this and the wheel rim sold me on it. Sure, nm is nice to have. But it’s a bit like horsepower. It’s great for a conversation in a bar. Not saying 10nm is perfect but lots of people with 20+ nm wheels run them at 25%.
@@LaurenceDusoswa Well there is also the Simplicity SW8C+ for only £399.99 and the SW13C+ for only £499.99. And Simplicity customers so far seem to be very happy. And he lives near you so at least in your case I'm not sure how a wheel from China can be considered more accessible than a wheel based in London. I don't consider those I just mentioned great value options compared to the ones I mentioned earlier but the point is you are getting a product cheaper from a small guy who lives near you compared to a product from China that really should be cheaper than it is. To put it in perspective, this 10Nm wheel will cost me over $1800 in Australia by the time it gets to my door with the wheel while the SW20 will cost me $1283 delivered to my door and sure the wheel is not included with the SW20 but I already know where I can get a wheel I really like for less than the difference. If I just want the cheapest (new) DD on the market I could get the SW8C+ for only $979 delivered to my door but I'd rather pay $300 more for a much better wheel. I personally would never run a 20Nm DD wheel at 25%, I would be likely to run a 20Nm wheel at 100% with in sim settings that would provide 8-12Nm of force under normal conditions and this would allow room for spikes so valuable information isn't being lost. If I owned a 10Nm wheel I'd be forced to run the wheel at 8Nm of force during normal driving to keep some headroom for spikes. I feel like 12Nm is about the minimum force a good wheel needs while 15-20 would be much better.
I’ll research the simplicity unit again. It just didn’t seem as complete as the simagic. The rim alone is worth a couple of hundred euro.
I just had another look at the simplicity site. It feels very much like I’m buying a part for my washing machine, not a consumer product. It’s just not a pleasant looking device and although it may be technically capable, it doesn’t appeal to me as a consumer. Hope that makes sense.
@@LaurenceDusoswa Yeah it kind of makes sense but not really. Simplicity sell a box controller and motor system like Bodnar, Accuforce, Ionicube or SC1 systems. The Mige motors are an attractive motor and the control box although large is a good looking control box. After Accuforce I personally think the Simplicity package is the best looking on the market for this kind. If aesthetics is your only priority then the Chinese AIO product is the better product. But Ollie was one of if not the first on the market building and selling complete DD systems. His products are built using a tested and proven design. And considering he has sold complete packages in the past I'm sure if he was asked he could either hook the buyer up with a wheel or point them to the best option to fit their needs. What you are getting with Simplicity is the most affordable DD system on the market using proven components, his new package with warranty is selling for less than some people are selling their second hand SC1's. And there is no way a small builder outside of China could sell a Mige based system for less. It is better in every way than the Chinese 10Nm offering shown here except for aesthetics and the AIO compactness. All I'm pointing out is what I said in the OP, if people want the best value DD option on the market right now, they should look at Simplicity. Personally I'm a bit disappointed at the price of this Chinese offering. It could and should be lower.
I just wanted to say I stopped your video halfway through to make this comment I have never seen anyone in a review do what you just did with that direct drive wheel quick release that is a stress test my friend you might have just surpassed a Barry Roland's review Sim racing garage if you're not familiar but I'm sure you are. Absolutely killer review man we'll have to be looking at this wheel for sure.
Hahaha that’s massive praise. To even be considered as comparable in any way to him is a massive massive honour.
Thanks for taking the time to comment mate, that really means a lot to me and for it to be in such high regard has made my day.
This looks class. I'll def be getting one when the initial hype and when they've become more mainstream. well done china again haha
Hahaha let’s hope the factory workers and their families are all safe from the coronavirus. There’s a delay with initial shipments now, which is understandable
You just got a sub. Great review!
Welcome along!!!
And thanks for the nice comment!
Why is the input lag so bad on this wheel base? In each video, lag was clearly apparent on screen, and each screen was different, suggesting it's unlikely a display problem. Is this due to the wireless technology as opposed to USB? For me, the lag is a killer and if it's as a result of wheel design, then I wouldn't buy it.
I had my settings wrong. The on screen rotation was different to the actual rotation which caused weird visuals. There’s no input lag, trust me
Great informative video Laurence
Thanks for taking the time to watch it! I’d love to do an updated review
@@LaurenceDusoswa i see simagic have updated the m10
Great Review! I am currently cross shopping this wheel with the Accuforce V2 since they are so close on price!
Yeah it depends on your country, but pricing can be similar. I don’t have any experience with the accuforce v2 unfortunately so I cannot give you the correct advice :)
Great Review! Thanks for this.
You're very welcome :) Thanks for watching
Excellent video. Thank you!
You’re very welcome! Thanks for taking the time to comment :)
Thx for a great informative video! Ive seen some videos of this dd setup. Many has been kind of poor. Made me look away from the product. But yours was as said informative and good. Made me want to explore this product more. Im a fanatec 2.5 user now. Looking into dd. And like fanatec ecosystem. But this made me think i might go this way insted of a dd1 from fanatec.
Thanks for the great feedback. What i would do if i were you:
1. look into options to keep your fanatec rims. so, usb conversion and QR adapter for simagic. You would have to do this to every rim though, which will get costly.
2. give the simagic a few weeks, and then decide what to do. Bear in mind that your fanatec products will always have second hand value, which could definitely free up funds towards the Simagic or even a fancy custom rim or cubecontrols or rosso sim racing wheel.
It's a potentially big move for people who are very loyal to great brands like fanatec or thrustmaster which have a good rim ecosystem.
It's also worth noting, that Simagic are going to release a glorious looking GT4 (formula style) rim which is worth keeping an eye out for! I can't wait to get my hands on one.
@@LaurenceDusoswa thx for reply. Fanatec in Norway has a high second hand value. (allso bought it second hand) 🙈 i went to simagic website, just now. They have now listed a 15Nm bundle with that formulawheel.. 1599 dollar. For me, i think the 10Nm is enough. With both rims. But wait a bit. Maby this will do something with the overall price/competition. Simagic DD cost the same as fanatec csw 2.5... (about)
yeah it's an interesting time right now. There are other wheels coming to the market this year too which will hopefully compete with the Simagic.
@@LaurenceDusoswa was looking at the vrs wheel too. Its a hard choice..
Uh oh fanatec. Uh oh Granite. You guys might actually have to start selling your stuff at sensible prices.
I think that only time will tell how the simagic slots into the market. Hopefully many will buy, share their experience and we’ll know in a few months how good or bad ownership of a simagic is. I plan to share all my findings and as this is my own wheel, I’ll be using it for the coming months for all kinds of racing including competitive online league racing.
@@LaurenceDusoswa I suppose that's how it goes with a lot of products. Europe and the US pioneer the ideas/tech and then China mass produces it cheaply. There's no reason a DD base alone should cost getting a grand once we get into mass market; its just an electric motor with a PC input encoder.
Please tell me about how Simagic is cheaper... Simagic 10Nm stepper motor 699$ vs Simucube (2) Pro 25Nm custom servo motor (made in Austria) 1200$. And the "Alpha" base by Simagic: 15Nm for 1200$ (example: encoder resolution --> M10 = 16,385 ppr ... Alpha = 262,144 ppr ... SC1 and SC2 = 1,050,000 ppr....). The Simucube 2 Sport has 17Nm and is 1029$.
sorry Simagic is not cheaper than the competition.
Simagic has also to prove the reliability and quality of their products. Simucube 1 and 2 have no recorded failures or malfunctions since release. Fanatec DD1 & 2 already have reports of malfunctions and blown up power supplys.
I would never buy a DD base with less than 20Nm torque, but that's a personal thing. 10Nm is good for GT3 and TCR cars but you have to run it at 80% to 90% power. Not really much headroom for spikes and I can assure you that it will get hot, which again is not healthy for the magnets in the motor over longer periods.
So, prices from Granite Devices are already very sensible looking at build quality, software (FFB quality) and reliability. Again, Simagic is not cheaper, it's even more expensive when looking at their "Alpha" base.
@@Tintop Well the heat and performance remains to be seen, although reviews seem to be very positive. It seems clear that there will be a whole lot of mid-range sim racers out there for whom this will be a very satisfactory upgrade from their G29s.
@ yeah, I don't say it's not good for "entry level" simracers who want to experience direct drive. Accuforce already shows that. But looking at the prices closely reveals that Simagic is actually more expensive with their bases (I updated my previous post).
Great review! Thanks! 😃
You're very welcome. I hope it helps :)
That's an Australian power plug. Good review.
Yep I found that out after the video :) I’ve never been to oz :)
Lovely to come across a fellow Irish Sim racer, even better that your videos are really put together. Subscribed for sure 👍
For your road car, with the bride seats, extended drift sessions and the old school Nismo logo on the horn, im guessing it's an S14 or R32 gts-t?
Hahaha you can’t miss the Irish accent :) cheers for the sub!
Very close with the guesses for the car :) I have a 180sx and an s13 silvia. Slowly building my gran turismo garage from 20 years ago 😂😂😂
@@LaurenceDusoswa Haha absolutely unmistakable! As soon as I heard "What's the craic?" I thought "Well shite, he's very Irish!". It was a nice reminder of home :)
I'm living in China at the moment so might see if I can pick up one of these wheel bases locally, if I don't get taken by the coronavirus in the mean time...
That's a mighty stable you're building for yourself! A type-X 180/200sx is definitely up near the top of my dream real life Gran Turismo garage. Hopefully I can get myself into an R34 before they become even more unobtainable!
I know! They're gone nuts these days. Yeah be careful with that coronavirus. Someone in the North is suspected of having contracted it now and about 10 people in the UK too.
You should be able to pick up an M10 locally there, yeah. They've been selling them in China since 2018. Welcome along to the channel anyways dude!
Great review. No console support is a deal killer for me. Looks like a real competitor in the segment tho. I do have to acknowledge that I am torn with great Chinese product with what we know about forced tech transfer, technology theft and how the Chinese drive down labor costs with basically a slave driven work force. Like I said, I'm torn because it does appear to be another very good product.
Console support may come at some stage, but not right now :(
@@LaurenceDusoswa Thatxs why the Fanatec PS4 podium F1 DD1 wheel is really the only viable option for someone like me and still have a future In PC expansion. I think even though there's a big price difference they are still competitive price points given the offered rims and the difference in specs. I think the heavier wheel of the Chinese product will mute the definition of the DD albeit however slightly. The real game changer on the Chinese product is the absolute positive lock of the Chinese hub. Fanatec could learn something here.
nice video.. i want to buy fanatec but they didnt ship it to my country(malaysia) but simagic maybe a good alternative for me.. the price is quite good
Yeah if you’re in Malaysia I would definitely go for a simagic
That wheel looks class lad
Yeah it’s deadly. It’s really good
Very good review
Thanks Tony!
Great video 👍
Thank you very much 😍 and thanks for taking the time to comment!
Great Video when will you do one attached to a Sim Labs Rig
When I get my hands on a sim-lab rig :) is there anything in particular you want to know? Some scenes in this video were of the unit attached to a sim-lab rig.
Mmmm during drifting it seems the wheels is turning too much as well as having a different center
You’re right :) my in game rotation was actually different to my wheel rotation. I only realised it after I took the footage. It’s a simple settings issue :)
that music killed this vids for me
Yeah the levels were way to high. You’re not the only one to notice. I’ll try harder next time :)
Might buy it ...in a year when people start selling it used
Yeah if you can wait that long, do it :) I don’t think they’ll get significantly cheaper though
please do the video you mention, sharing your settings. I am hoping to get one of these this year and wheel setup is always something i struggle with :(
Will do :)
Tiene buena pinta ,no siempre lo chino tiene que ser malo, pero hay que esperar a opiniones/review de gente común y no esto promocional que queda muy bonito ,envíen para que la gente la pruebe como Barry Rowland de simracing garage un tipo serio objetivo 👍
thank you for your comment. But this is not a promotional video. I got a 200euro discount for being an early reviewer but spent over 500euro going to the Autosport exhibition in Birmingham. So this wheel is costing me more than what most people will pay. I hope that clears things up.
Awesome review! Now, do you need some sort of adapter to use for Fanatec wheel?
I’ve asked them. The problem is making the fanatec devices wireless, or usb converting them. Would be amazing if there was an adapter!
This could be a game changer
It has been for me :)
In this video, there's a child braking with his left foot. let that sink in for a moment...
Thanks for the awesome review! ;)
I’m too slow to get that joke 😂
@@LaurenceDusoswa It's just that many guys can't seem to get a feel for braking with their left foot.. And I think they'r missing out! Yet there's a boy doing this in your vid! :P
Ahhhhh right :) yeah he was a good driver too!
If they can deliver a reliable, durable and robust system for less than a Fanatec CSW2.5 then it's really a no-brainer.
Fanatec CSW is belt driven (yes yes, brush-less motor which supplies power to rubber belt/pulleys) and will die much faster than any DD motor.
Unless Simagic turns out to be a cheaply made 'turkey' there's no contest with any belt driven wheel and should result in the death of belt driven wheels over $500.
Wish them luck.
I agree. Time will tell :) but my experience so far has been amazing
Now you must do a Simagic / Accuforce V2 comparison.
yep, i'd love to! But i need to contact Simxperience first.
@@LaurenceDusoswa Don't lose time. Be the first to do it... 😉
Yes I’ll try my best :)
I was looking at this setup and had it in my cart to purchase but I couldnt confirm if it would work with a drivehub for ps4...
I honestly don't know. Maybe contact them and ask or ask in the facebook simagic owner group
@@LaurenceDusoswa im kinda locked in to Fanatec now...just got a base, wheel, pedals and Im working on getting the h-pattern and handbrake.
For some odd reason I’d rather pay more for a local build...
That's very understandable too. There's not a similar product out there which doesn't rely on chinese parts though.
Any way this is for sale ? I want a dd so bad but I will have to wait , which is ok . I am kinda waiting on Fanatec to get the CSL back soon . If you need to clean out the gameroom lmk🤘🏼🏁
Nope, I don’t sell my review hardware
Great review. I'm currently waiting impatiently for my one to arrive. #Coronadelays
Yeah I’m still waiting on some products too :( you’ll love it though. And I see lots of people receiving them now
Hi Lawrence.can you confirm it is ok to mount the wheel base from the bottom 4 threads? I’ve just purchased an M10 and wanting to mount from below on a flat deck rig.
Yes 100%. That’s how I mounted it :)
cool stuf! but for the pedals and shifter ? can we combine the logitech G29 with it or other steering wheels?
Yeah it seemed like that. I didn’t test that functionality though
Hi thanks for the review. Can you please update us now, if it's the same quality as it was initially?
I changed my wheel in February/March because I got the opportunity to review the Simagic alpha which was released this week. However I know many people with the m10 and they are all very very happy.
@@LaurenceDusoswa Thank you for your swift reply! Happy drivin'. xD
I try to respond to every comment. If you’re taking the time, I should try too :)
@@LaurenceDusoswa do you happen to know of any good forums for simagic m10 in depth settings per game as well as more well knowledge around tuning?
If you look at the game play footage you see the steering wheel on screen react half a second later than the real one. That's unplayable !
That was my fault with settings though. The rotation of the wheel was different to that of my game. A bit silly on my part and it sent everything out of sync.
I hope the terrible lag is not related to the wheel which can be seen between the wheel and the virtual wheel from 0:36.
Yeah that's just my inability to follow simple instructions :p I had different rotation speeds for the game than for the wheel so it messed up royally. The footage i took of me driving was literally the first day i got it so i was still setting it up.
It doesn't look bad but what do you think of the software, on the road you feel what you need to feel like the other brands, 10 NM is not much for a max settings
It’s a great wheelbase with plenty of power. But I would buy the alpha mini if I were you
@@LaurenceDusoswa No alpha mini dudes thanks i go like Simucube 2 Ultimate
VRS Direct Force Pro
Is that wheel plate housing made from Aluminium, also are the encoder knobs metal too? If so it looks like a high quality plate for the money
Yep! It’s massive quality for the money. People are ordering so many right now that they’re struggling to meet the demand.
Simagic have reached out to ask me to tell everyone that orders will not be processed until after Chinese New Year (25th January 2020). If you are looking for your local authorised distributor, please contact facebook.com/Simagic-Official-101743794578737/
For EU orders, I highly recommend this authorised EU reseller: digital-motorsports.com/products/simagic-m10-ddw-direct-drive-wheel-base-and-steering-wheel. I don't get any commision or referral fees for any Simagic products.
I think I'm going to wait until they upgrade it which they will do for sure
The alpha model is likely to come out later in the year but will also be more expensive, as well as being an ‘upgrade’.
@@LaurenceDusoswa I'm stuck because I dont have a dd wheel I have g29 and I like it. But I know there is better out there. If i was to get a direct drive wheel i know I'm going to want a shifter and pedals too and the 3 monitors. Man this is gonna be worth it. I'll just save my money up.
Hahaha yeah it’s a slippery slope. I highly recommend getting a second hand thrustmaster TS-PC racer and use that for a year or 2. Amazing upgrade from the logitech
5:00 wait is that Stoffel Vandoorne?
hhahaha nope. It's Josh Martin (SimStaff)
@@LaurenceDusoswa....Okay well tell """""Josh""""" he got done dirty by McLaren for real.
Hey Laurence do you reckon I should pick up the m10 or wait for the alpha mini to be released birthdays coming up in August and I'm not to sure which one to go with 😂
The alpha mini must be better, otherwise they wouldn’t discontinue the m10. So for that reason I would only do it if the m10 is significantly cheaper than the alpha mini. Also consider the supply issues which Simagic usually suffers. It’s a tough one to call.
@@LaurenceDusoswa yeah I was looking at the Abruzzi site with your link and there In stock at the moment tis a nightmare my t150 is only doing so much for me these days 😂😂
@@billfarrell223 the abruzzi deal is definitely worth while. I still speak highly of the m10 because it’s an amazing bit of kit and a great entry into DD. But that doesn’t really do it justice, calling it ‘entry level DD’ because for most, it’s going to be your forever wheel because most people don’t need ‘more’.
@@LaurenceDusoswa that's it thanks for the reply mate love the videos if yer ever in Waterford I'll buy ye a pint!
Hahaha sound :)
i stopped watching after hearing how much it costs
i'm too busy finding a way to order it
Hahahaha. Where are you based? I can point you in the right direction maybe...
I’m gonna wait for a cheap Chinese copy
I has a Fanatec belt but may save up for a few years to upgrade. BUT I don't want to spend that much and NOT be compatible with PS5 or Xbox X series....
Yeah that’s understandable to be honest :) I do hope that something like the simagic comes to console soon
hello I have a question, I have G902 and I'm thinking of getting csl dd or alpha mini and I would like you to advise me the fanatec is 800 euros with a steering wheel and the alpha mine is 1000 euros with a steering wheel but I think the alpha is better quality
I haven’t reviewed the CSL DD but I can guarantee that you will love the alpha mini
Why am I even watching this, I don't even have money 😥
Yet ;)
Same here damnthing cost the same if not more than fanatic
People simrace coz they can't afford supercars. We watch TH-cam!
the rim looks very sexy, very nice video btw 👍
Yeah it’s gorgeous! Really nice bit of kit! I’m getting the GT4 rim (formula style) too which isn’t out yet. I can’t wait to try it out!
whats the relationship with this and logitech you seem to be mentioning alot?
There’s no relationship. Just that many people who buy this will be coming from a Logitech steering wheel. There’s no association between the two companies.
Have u tried the fanatec v2.5? How is it compared to that? Thinking of upgrading from v2.5 to this one
Yes I’ve used a 2.5 a lot. Direct drive is a big step up from a belt driven wheel. The 2.5 is good but not as good as a DD wheel. It’s definitely worth the upgrade.
@@LaurenceDusoswa also THIS DD? Simagic?
Yes 100%. Any DD will be an upgrade and from my experience, the simagic is great! I didn’t expect to be this happy with it
Hi, which type of quick relase do you have on your car's wheels? Could you provide me with a name and/or link? I'm thinking of using the M10 with my custom rim, so I'd need one.
Also, could you please tell something about the dimensions and weight of the base?
Hey Andreas! I have the NRG Quick Release 2.0 system on my cars. However, any D1 spec system, even cheap knock offs, should fit and should be good enough for sim racing. The NRG system is very expensive.
As for the dimensions of the base, I don't have it in front of me but at a guess, it's about 350mm long and around 200mm wide. Weight-wise, I think it's about 12 or 13kg, not sure.
@@LaurenceDusoswa Thanks for your reply! As I am looking for a follow-up for my aging Thrustmaster TX base on my Playseat Challenge (at least flex is no issue, lol), weight is an important topic, and 12-13kg is waaaaaay to much. Well then, I hope a Simplicity SW8C+ will make it.
Where I could find the TM to Simagic wheel converter? I wasn’t able to find a proper one right now... I am Ts-xw owner with 6 rims so I have to consider to buy the base only...
I don't have any experience with a specific converter at this time. You'd need to convert every rim to USB and also change the mounting mechanism. I don't think it will work out much cheaper.
Ideally you would only need one adapter, and all your rims would work with it. But I'm not aware of any product which does that currently
W Richardson thanks, I know that product... just curious on how to create a compatible QR ‘cause screwing and unscrewing won’t be an option
@@LaurenceDusoswa wait wait... in here you have a piece of interest: th-cam.com/video/T0bCiGQUm-A/w-d-xo.html tell me more please, it's the QR mounted on another wheel
in that segment, i show that my NRG quick release system uses the same pattern as the simagic. I cannot guarantee which cheap alternatives actually work with the simagic. What i have is something like this: www.ebay.ie/itm/NRG-QUICK-RELEASE-STEERING-WHEEL-HUB-BOSS-GEN-2-0/202624757324?hash=item2f2d606e4c:g:O9oAAOSwBKBcikwp
That's way too expensive for a sim setup but i really need the quality and safety standards that NRG conforms to, as I use this setup in my road cars.
How does shifters compares to The 488? Just curious...
The Rosso shifters are still my favourite. The distance, pressure and click of the Rosso is difficult to beat. The gear shifters in the simagic are not as nice
It seems very good a great product very well done it looks strong CNC excellent parts works very well for how long? The only problem that I consider to be very risky is the internal quality of the electrical/electronic components. Chinese manufacturers in all their products install a calculated component that, after passing the warranty, will burn or break something happens and that beautiful product that had a price so accessible it does not work again if you have observed in everything happens the same no matter what it is, the clothes thread dissolved, the wires coverage of the electric cables is split on the tv a capacitor, diode, resistance burns in everything there is a control of useful time to the days of pass the guaranty end zip zip goodbye and that is a robbery to all the inhabitants of the world the biggest problem is that everything is made in China
I don't think that's true for everything to be honest. I have lots of chinese stuff (even if it's labelled as an american or european brand) which lasts far beyond its warranty.
Just a note: Barry Rowland of srg was impressed with the quality of the internal componentry.
Hi all, is there a really smooth DD wheelbase with zero cogging feel? My old SimXv1 was a little bit coggy feeling.
Yea, lots of them. The simucubes, simplicity wheels and Simagic alpha are all very smooth
@@LaurenceDusoswa Hey thanks Laurence! All the best
You too, enjoy :)
If the wheel-rim is connected wireless to the base, then what are the pushpins for?
Power only
the push pins and pads could be a flaw one day, something with that kind of force is gonna either wear those pins or pads down I've seen it happen in other electricals. Hope that they have managed to iron out these issues.
great review, i want one, I hope they come to Canada...
They have an official distributor in Canada. Lemme find out their name and website
I’m just waiting on a promo code (for tracking purposes only) but it’s sim racing pros who are the official resellers right now
simracingpros.com/ is the official north american distributor
Yep simracingpros.com/. Also, use promo code ROYAL5 in Canada. Thank me later ;)
Sadly I thought this would come in under the price of the accuforce v2 the way you were talking about it. I would have bought it already if it worked out to 1K CAD instead after taxes its ~1500. Will have to wait a bit longer for that sweet spot.
Is it possible to mount my Sparco 383 wheel rim to the button plate/quick release?
You would need to USB convert it, and also create a mount to attach it. Currently, it wouldn't be easy.
Is it better than the clubsport V2.5?
Yes. Definitely worth the upgrade!
Laurence Dusoswa how is compared to DD1?
Comparable. Slightly notch at low speeds but exceptional value and the rim and quick release are soooo much better than the fanatec offerings
does Simagic recommend any wheel stand to go with their unit?
Maybe I should just get that which fits Simagic drive.
Nope, but I’d recommend something solid like a Simetik k2 or an 80/20 rig
is it better than a Fanatec CSW v2.5?
Yes definitely. Although check out boosted media’s review because he says it’s not better in some ways. I think it’s a lot better and with time, people will come out with even better settings for the M10.
Can I use my thrustmaster pedals with this
Also can I mount this to my desk
Only if you buy the usb conversion cable for your t3pa pedals. Any usb devices work just fine.
Can I mount this to my table as I do not have a rig
you will have to drill holes and screw/bolt it down somehow. A table/desk clamp wouldn't hold the force of this wheelbase.
Hi.. May i know what is the facebook page name of the simmagic? I tried to search, end up with magic sim card..
facebook.com/Simagic-Official-101743794578737/
Compatible console ?
Nope :( but maybe in the future
Is there an adaptor for T3PA-Pro (T500) pedals?
There's nothing from simagic. But TM themselves supply this handy adapter which would work great for your needs: www.thrustmaster.com/products/trj12-usb-adapter
Thanks buddy!
For sale: T500 wheel, pedals not included 🤣🤣
Not 799$, It's 999$ on the website.
‘The website’ doesn’t exist. Anything you’re looking at is a reseller website and resellers can charge what they like as far as I know.
Can you get it in the us?
You can contact simagic official on Facebook to find out how and where to buy
Hey Lawrence how does it feel with project cars 2....I'm interested in getting it..they have a alpha version too...how does it compare to the m10..?
Hey Audy! The alpha is more powerful and there's no worldwide release date planned for it yet. They're quite different products, and I haven't gotten a chance to test the Alpha yet.
To answer your original question: it feels great! I love PC2 and this wheel gave me good reason to spend some time with it :) I did the majority of my testing in AC as i know it inside out. For PC2 you need to set it up as a 'custom' input device as it wont be on the preset list. and you need to select 'separate pedals' and map stuff individually before you can get going. there's a little video on setup here but it only takes a minute and is easy enough to figure out: th-cam.com/video/tx8CvjcVURc/w-d-xo.html
@@LaurenceDusoswa thx
Fanatec is already China and there qc depicts this
China isn’t the problem to be fair :) it’s consumers like us wanting stuff cheap...
Laurence Dusoswa a DD1 isn’t cheap look at accuforce and now vrs etc can make a dd cheaper and way less hardware and sofrtwAre glitches
That’s true too but fanatec has a big marketing bill that they need to pay for :p
What about the padel
The foot pedals? Or gear shifter paddles?
@@LaurenceDusoswa the foot
Simagic currently doesn’t make foot pedals. Not for the worldwide market anyways
So if I order this witch foot padel I can combine with as my g29 padel is not working any more
I upgraded my Logitech pedals to fanatec pedals. Any USB load cell pedals will be a big upgrade. Fanatec CSL Elite Load Cell, thrustmaster TLCM, or evening Fanatec V3 pedals will be perfect. Jump into my discord channel if you want more detail. Http://bit.ly/LDDiscord
Is this ps4 compatible?
Not at this time and I don’t know if they plan to in future
Simagic from Cina??
Yep, from China
your euro calculation is wrong I think.
That includes customs and taxes. It's the price from digital-motorsports.com/products/simagic-m10-ddw-direct-drive-wheel-base-and-steering-wheel. delivery anywhere in EU is less than €30 as far as i know
what pedals are compatible with this?
It’s PC only, so any pedals that can hook up through usb will work. But they’ve actually included an adapter so that you can use your existing Logitech pedals and shifter with this wheel.
@@LaurenceDusoswa nice! Where can we buy in Canada?
@Laurence Dusoswa nice! Where can we buy in Canada?
For been a direct drive,i can already see input lag,no thanks.
That was because I had my rotation set differently to the in game rotation. Nothing to do with the hardware itself to be honest.
@@LaurenceDusoswa i see,i will watch another video then.
Fanatec or china, doesn't matter when the price is 100€ or less ill buy it otherwise u can have it. For 1000€ u can buy a real whole car...
Ok :) I’ll have a ferrari 488 at Spa please. I want it tonight between 8pm and 10pm. Also, I don’t want to pay for tyres or damage or fuel... or crew, or travel. :)
@@LaurenceDusoswa if you have a money to spend 1000 on a DD wheel i am sure u will have the money to someday buy a real ferarri...I love cars and racing games, but i cant even afford a drivers licence and i am working 2 jobs. And i know there are people that come from worse enviroment. So this is insulting to pay so much mone for a fcking SIM wheel drive..
Lindo quero hum rs
It's pretty nice, yeah :)
Well if warranty is like Fanatec then I certainly won’t be buying one
Yeah it might not be the best benchmark. That said, I’ve heard lots of positive Fanatec experiences too
Euro cost more than a dollar!
Yes. Taxes are different here and we usually pay a lot more for the same electronics.
@@LaurenceDusoswa Look at this price 1:49 I'm talking abot this
He's Irish wooooo
Ah he’s not, is he? What’s the craic with his surname...?
Is it virus free wa wa waaaaaa
ok