This video assumes that you have some knowledge about these products. If you're looking for more information, please check out my dedicated reviews: Simagic M10: th-cam.com/video/T0bCiGQUm-A/w-d-xo.html Simagic Alpha: th-cam.com/video/_0K3EoM-SWM/w-d-xo.html The M10 (10nm stepper) and the Alpha (15nm servo) are both great! But which should YOU buy? Having owned both, I put together this guide and hopefully it will help you to decide which one to buy! Order from Abruzzi, with worldwide shipping (affiliate links): M10 Options: M10 GT1-R (Round rim) bundle: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-m10-direct-drive-wheelbase-with-gt1-r-wheel/?wpam_id=2 M10 GT1-D (D Shaped rim) bundle: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-m10-direct-drive-wheelbase-with-gt1-d-wheel/?wpam_id=2 M10 GT4 (formula) bundle: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-m10-direct-drive-wheelbase-with-gt4-wheel/?wpam_id=2 M10 Wheelbase only: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-m10-direct-drive-wheelbase/?wpam_id=2 Alpha options: Alpha GT1-R (round rim) bundle: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-alpha-gt1-r-bundle/?wpam_id=2 Alpha GT1-D (D shaped rim) bundle: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-alpha-gt1-d-bundle/?wpam_id=2 Alpha GT4 (formula) bundle: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-alpha-gt4-bundle/?wpam_id=2 Alpha Wheelbase only: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-alpha-wheelbase/?wpam_id=2 GT4 rim only: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-gt4-wheel/?wpam_id=2 GT1-D rim only: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-gt1-d-wheel/?wpam_id=2 GT1-R rim only: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-gt1-r-wheel/?wpam_id=2 All Simagic products: abruzzi-official.co.uk/wheelbases/?wpam_id=2 Complete distrubutor list: www.simagic.com/#/PageMainEn/PageShoppingEn
i used M10 for 2 months and I found the little notchiness at low speed and fast counter steering bothered me. I upgraded to VRS last week and it was very nice. Want to see the comparison between VRS and Alpha.
I used the simplicity sw20 recently for review (not yet released) and that’s the same motor as the VRS. However I’m not in a position to comment on the VRs. The sw20 has more power for sure and it’s great when set up. I just miss a good quick release and base rim selection. The Simagic rims are exceptionally good.
Great review LD.... good point about the post purchase experience especially with regard to International vs Domestic versions. Very confusing particularly with firmware updates, software updates etc... That being said, great piece of kit for the price.
Nice video Laurence, appreciate the direct comparisons between the two as I'm literally having this debate inside my head... I'll be upgrading from a Fanatec CSW v1 with Formula Black Rim and already have the Leo Bodnar USB converter for the Fanatec rim, worked out much cheaper to do this than buy a new base with a new rim, although I do like the look of that GT4 rim... decisions, decisions...
Great decisions to have to make :) ❤️ you’ll be happy with either. But usually with hardware like this, if you can afford the more expensive one, do it ;)
I like the way you do these head to head type breakdowns. I also need to know about the Jinx in the background. I’m really considering getting one. Review soon?
Yes it’s on my list of reviews to get done 😂 in short though, you wouldn’t regret buying one: digital-motorsports.com/products/v2-jinx-sequential-shifter?aff=2
@@LaurenceDusoswa Nice! I use the AioLogs currently and it feels fantastic but since I use a ProSim H pattern I also want my sequential to be more life size for immersion. Of course I want it to feel great too.
Vrs(20nm) is probably the best value for the buck, about the same price then the m10 maybe a bit more but 10x better. Simagic is been out in China for a while and just making its way to the states. No rush to buy neither.
Yeah the VRS looks to be a great option. I had the simplicity sw20 in for review recently and it’s the same motor as the VRS. It’s definitely a far better ffb motor than the m10 but not that much better than the alpha. I enjoyed it a lot, but Simagic’s QR and rims really do win a lot of points for me
It does look better than the previous version, I think the 10 NM is a bit weak, i like the Simucube 2 Ultimate its got Super Fine tuning filters, But it is very expensive From: $3,078.62
It's definitely a good option for people. However, it lacks the steering wheel selection as part of the bundle. It's still a couple of hundred euro more expensive with a comparable rim, too.
Great review! Love the checklist & scores, this is what everyone needs. Btw, after 6 months of alpha software updates and M10 now being “discountinued”, do you think converting from M10 to alpha will make sense? TIA!
I don’t think anyone needs to upgrade from the m10 to the alpha mini, but the upgrade to the alpha is incredible. I recommend it if you have the money and can get a decent price when selling your m10.
Ah yes, not for an alpha mini, since it has the same nm i think it will underwhelm M10 due to the motor difference. Thanks for the reply, that’s the response i was hoping you to say haha! Cheers!
Yeah I can definitely see the logic and you’ll be very happy with the sc2 pro. From a pure force feedback point of view it is superior to the alpha. Which wheel rim did you go for?
@@LaurenceDusoswa I've went for the Ascher Racing F28-SC but I'll probably get the B16 button box as well to go with the Turn R20 coming next month. Bye, bye Fanatec. Oh, and my Meca Cup 1's arrived today. Love them.
Yep. I was very surprised too. I bought it at the time because I thought it was a decent entry to DD. But then quickly realised I didn’t actually want or need more from my hardware. The only reason I have owned and used other hardware since then is because of the channel :)
between the alpha mini and the m10, buy the alpha mini. There's no way they would replace the m10 with a product which isn't AT LEAST as good. The golden rule: Buy the one you can afford...
Yes :) it’s a great wheelbase, albeit industrial and a bit clunky to install and set up. Once installed, ffb is great but lack of a QR and rim eco system really hurt it. I can’t see anyone who buys one being disappointed, provided they never need to contact customer service :p
Boy does that Alpha manager UI need some work, it’s not difficult to use..It’s not intuitive when it comes to working out how the sliders interact with each other,as for the manual hmmm, but overall an excellent piece of kit
So I've had thrustmasters for nearly 6 years now and im on every day so i want a dd wheel now, how much is one going to cost me with a round wheel not gt wheel
What a dilemma. Wanted easy setup and plug and play. Don't want to fiddle with game settings and ini files. M10 is superb value with round rim. VRS DFP does not support all games (WRC 9) etc. I am assuming SC2 Sport is direct plug and play, supported by most games and better ownership experience and good software. For someone playing rally games mostly wireless wheel doesn't matter at all, any entry level wheel like momo or OMP will work. With those in mind it's a big confusion between SC2 Sport and M10, spend more and get established wheel??
I don't have experience with the SC2 sport. The M10 needs a small file dropped into a folder to support Dirt2.0 but i'm not sure about WRC9. I don't think that there's such a thing as 'more established' now. I wouldn't be surprised if there are more Simagic wheels in the world than cube controls or Ascher wheels now. From my own rally experience, the simagic GT1-R rim is amazing because there's a handy button plate, and you can easily swap out the rim for something else if you want.
You need to order through the Facebook owner group I’m pretty sure. It’s a great h pattern but the sequential is not very good at all. It’s functional, but no more immersive than a modded Logitech shifter. H pattern is very good though.
Would you say that the Alpha is a worthwhile upgrade over the M10 if I only play rally games? My impression from others is that the force feedback in the games I play isn't particularly detailed anyway so I wasn't sure if I should pull the trigger on an Alpha or VRS over an M10.
I prefer the alpha. The ffb from the vrs is ‘better’ in general though. The alpha is just very easy to live with and the rims are beautiful. The wireless technology of the wheels is amazing too.
Hi thank you very much for in depth review, I have one question what's the length of wheel base including the quick release and the steering wheel please
im currently on a g29 and planning to upgrade to DD either cls dd or m10,alpha im wondering should get the m10 since its cheaper or should just go for alpha mini? i mostly drift for now
The m10 is great for drifting! The alpha mini and csl dd are smoother but when drifting you’ll have plenty of smoothness anyways. The m10 is a very good wheelbase
With a usb conversion kit, you can use any fanatec wheel on any wheelbase as long as you fit the right quick release on it. But honestly the cost to do that conversion is quite high.
@@LaurenceDusoswa I want to buy a direct Drive but I have a lot to buy. I have 1200 euro for the pedal + direct Drive + wheel. I therefore thought of this simagic brand
@@Nam__88 have a look at the simagic alpha mini which is coming out. Or the fanatec CSL DD. They are cheaper direct drive options and will come in within your budget. If you want more advice, feel free to join my discord: bit.ly/LDDiscord
Nope, it used a 2.4ghz protocol for communication. It does have pins which don’t plug in, they simply touch a contact plate and that transfers the power. As soon as it’s powered up, the wheelbase and wheel find one another and it’s ready to go. The fanatec pins are weak and horrible to use by comparison. Fanatec’s system is not a true quick release system. I did a full video on the Simagic QR system if you’re interested: th-cam.com/video/FVooJVZyI8E/w-d-xo.html
This video assumes that you have some knowledge about these products. If you're looking for more information, please check out my dedicated reviews:
Simagic M10: th-cam.com/video/T0bCiGQUm-A/w-d-xo.html
Simagic Alpha: th-cam.com/video/_0K3EoM-SWM/w-d-xo.html
The M10 (10nm stepper) and the Alpha (15nm servo) are both great! But which should YOU buy? Having owned both, I put together this guide and hopefully it will help you to decide which one to buy!
Order from Abruzzi, with worldwide shipping (affiliate links):
M10 Options:
M10 GT1-R (Round rim) bundle:
abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-m10-direct-drive-wheelbase-with-gt1-r-wheel/?wpam_id=2
M10 GT1-D (D Shaped rim) bundle: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-m10-direct-drive-wheelbase-with-gt1-d-wheel/?wpam_id=2
M10 GT4 (formula) bundle: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-m10-direct-drive-wheelbase-with-gt4-wheel/?wpam_id=2
M10 Wheelbase only: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-m10-direct-drive-wheelbase/?wpam_id=2
Alpha options:
Alpha GT1-R (round rim) bundle: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-alpha-gt1-r-bundle/?wpam_id=2
Alpha GT1-D (D shaped rim) bundle: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-alpha-gt1-d-bundle/?wpam_id=2
Alpha GT4 (formula) bundle: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-alpha-gt4-bundle/?wpam_id=2
Alpha Wheelbase only: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-alpha-wheelbase/?wpam_id=2
GT4 rim only: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-gt4-wheel/?wpam_id=2
GT1-D rim only: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-gt1-d-wheel/?wpam_id=2
GT1-R rim only: abruzzi-official.co.uk/product/simagic-gt1-r-wheel/?wpam_id=2
All Simagic products: abruzzi-official.co.uk/wheelbases/?wpam_id=2
Complete distrubutor list: www.simagic.com/#/PageMainEn/PageShoppingEn
I’ve got an M10 and enjoy it greatly. For the money, I don’t think it can be beat
It's a great value product :) Most who buy one will never need to upgrade again
fantastic video LD, great comparison between the two. keep up the great work.
Thanks! I would have loved to have had more time to edit it :) Such is life :p
As i have only 10.000 km on the M10 in AC i love it and the feel is great. i can only imagene how the Alpha will be.
It's the 'step up' that you'd imagine. I think it's well priced. I'm very happy with it
i used M10 for 2 months and I found the little notchiness at low speed and fast counter steering bothered me. I upgraded to VRS last week and it was very nice. Want to see the comparison between VRS and Alpha.
I used the simplicity sw20 recently for review (not yet released) and that’s the same motor as the VRS. However I’m not in a position to comment on the VRs. The sw20 has more power for sure and it’s great when set up. I just miss a good quick release and base rim selection. The Simagic rims are exceptionally good.
Great review LD.... good point about the post purchase experience especially with regard to International vs Domestic versions. Very confusing particularly with firmware updates, software updates etc... That being said, great piece of kit for the price.
thanks for the comment! Yeah it's a bit of a rollercoaster. Some get lucky, others get impatient.
Nice video Laurence, appreciate the direct comparisons between the two as I'm literally having this debate inside my head...
I'll be upgrading from a Fanatec CSW v1 with Formula Black Rim and already have the Leo Bodnar USB converter for the Fanatec rim, worked out much cheaper to do this than buy a new base with a new rim, although I do like the look of that GT4 rim... decisions, decisions...
Great decisions to have to make :) ❤️ you’ll be happy with either. But usually with hardware like this, if you can afford the more expensive one, do it ;)
I like the way you do these head to head type breakdowns.
I also need to know about the Jinx in the background. I’m really considering getting one. Review soon?
Yes it’s on my list of reviews to get done 😂 in short though, you wouldn’t regret buying one: digital-motorsports.com/products/v2-jinx-sequential-shifter?aff=2
@@LaurenceDusoswa Nice! I use the AioLogs currently and it feels fantastic but since I use a ProSim H pattern I also want my sequential to be more life size for immersion. Of course I want it to feel great too.
Oh we need to see some pics! Join my discord. we all spam pics of our rigs abs hobbies in there :)
@@LaurenceDusoswa Cool man. I dig the channel.
th-cam.com/video/cFDKTtDrkdo/w-d-xo.html
Great video! Quick and informative. Thanks for this.
You’re very welcome!
Vrs(20nm) is probably the best value for the buck, about the same price then the m10 maybe a bit more but 10x better. Simagic is been out in China for a while and just making its way to the states. No rush to buy neither.
Yeah the VRS looks to be a great option. I had the simplicity sw20 in for review recently and it’s the same motor as the VRS. It’s definitely a far better ffb motor than the m10 but not that much better than the alpha. I enjoyed it a lot, but Simagic’s QR and rims really do win a lot of points for me
It does look better than the previous version, I think the 10 NM is a bit weak, i like the Simucube 2 Ultimate its got Super Fine tuning filters, But it is very expensive
From: $3,078.62
The problem for the alpha is called Simucube2 sport. It´s almost the same price. Most of people prefer simucube for the same price
I agree with you, however Simagic comes in bundles and Simucube does not. They're both excellent, but better value for Simagic, for sure.
It's definitely a good option for people. However, it lacks the steering wheel selection as part of the bundle. It's still a couple of hundred euro more expensive with a comparable rim, too.
Great review! Love the checklist & scores, this is what everyone needs. Btw, after 6 months of alpha software updates and M10 now being “discountinued”, do you think converting from M10 to alpha will make sense? TIA!
I don’t think anyone needs to upgrade from the m10 to the alpha mini, but the upgrade to the alpha is incredible. I recommend it if you have the money and can get a decent price when selling your m10.
Ah yes, not for an alpha mini, since it has the same nm i think it will underwhelm M10 due to the motor difference. Thanks for the reply, that’s the response i was hoping you to say haha! Cheers!
I was looking at these yesterday, they look good but for the money I was looking for a more established brand so went with SC2 Pro.
Yeah I can definitely see the logic and you’ll be very happy with the sc2 pro. From a pure force feedback point of view it is superior to the alpha. Which wheel rim did you go for?
@@LaurenceDusoswa I've went for the Ascher Racing F28-SC but I'll probably get the B16 button box as well to go with the Turn R20 coming next month. Bye, bye Fanatec. Oh, and my Meca Cup 1's arrived today. Love them.
@@SmokeyStoner oh wow! Amazing hardware :) you’ll love all of those bits! It really is high end stuff ❤️
@@LaurenceDusoswa Thanks dude. And I see what you mean about the software for the Meca's.
I got me an M10 since last year march. No real reason to upgrade to alpha or any servo motor dd wheel anymore
Yep. I was very surprised too. I bought it at the time because I thought it was a decent entry to DD. But then quickly realised I didn’t actually want or need more from my hardware. The only reason I have owned and used other hardware since then is because of the channel :)
between m10, alpha, and alpha mini, i still cant decide which to choose.. m10 and alpha mini almost have the same price in my country..
between the alpha mini and the m10, buy the alpha mini. There's no way they would replace the m10 with a product which isn't AT LEAST as good.
The golden rule: Buy the one you can afford...
Great video as always 👍 . Do you have any thoughts on the Sim-plicity SW20 ?
Yes :) it’s a great wheelbase, albeit industrial and a bit clunky to install and set up. Once installed, ffb is great but lack of a QR and rim eco system really hurt it. I can’t see anyone who buys one being disappointed, provided they never need to contact customer service :p
do you feel the "steps" in m10? did it bothered you?
I felt then at low speeds and no, it didn’t bother me at all. If I could feel them clearly while driving then I would never recommend this wheelbase
Boy does that Alpha manager UI need some work, it’s not difficult to use..It’s not intuitive when it comes to working out how the sliders interact with each other,as for the manual hmmm, but overall an excellent piece of kit
hahaha I don't think it's that bad to be honest :) I've not had any major issues with it
So I've had thrustmasters for nearly 6 years now and im on every day so i want a dd wheel now, how much is one going to cost me with a round wheel not gt wheel
Hahaha I put links to pricing in the description and in a pinned comment ;) they ship worldwide
What a dilemma. Wanted easy setup and plug and play. Don't want to fiddle with game settings and ini files. M10 is superb value with round rim. VRS DFP does not support all games (WRC 9) etc. I am assuming SC2 Sport is direct plug and play, supported by most games and better ownership experience and good software. For someone playing rally games mostly wireless wheel doesn't matter at all, any entry level wheel like momo or OMP will work. With those in mind it's a big confusion between SC2 Sport and M10, spend more and get established wheel??
I don't have experience with the SC2 sport. The M10 needs a small file dropped into a folder to support Dirt2.0 but i'm not sure about WRC9. I don't think that there's such a thing as 'more established' now. I wouldn't be surprised if there are more Simagic wheels in the world than cube controls or Ascher wheels now.
From my own rally experience, the simagic GT1-R rim is amazing because there's a handy button plate, and you can easily swap out the rim for something else if you want.
@@LaurenceDusoswa please consider reviewing the Simucube 2 Sport. No good reviews in TH-cam except for a comparison from Boosted media
I will definitely consider it. Might have to ask my buddies at digital-motorsports for a loan :)
Hey LD, how do you order the VNM shifter? I'm going to pick one up. I'm really impressed with the shh though!
You need to order through the Facebook owner group I’m pretty sure. It’s a great h pattern but the sequential is not very good at all. It’s functional, but no more immersive than a modded Logitech shifter. H pattern is very good though.
Would you say that the Alpha is a worthwhile upgrade over the M10 if I only play rally games? My impression from others is that the force feedback in the games I play isn't particularly detailed anyway so I wasn't sure if I should pull the trigger on an Alpha or VRS over an M10.
I prefer the alpha. The ffb from the vrs is ‘better’ in general though. The alpha is just very easy to live with and the rims are beautiful. The wireless technology of the wheels is amazing too.
Hi thank you very much for in depth review, I have one question what's the length of wheel base including the quick release and the steering wheel please
it's about 40cm for the alpha. I don't have an M10 here to measure
How do these models compare to the VRS DirectForce Pro Wheel Base?
im currently on a g29 and planning to upgrade to DD either cls dd or m10,alpha
im wondering should get the m10 since its cheaper or should just go for alpha mini?
i mostly drift for now
Buy the one you can afford
The m10 is great for drifting! The alpha mini and csl dd are smoother but when drifting you’ll have plenty of smoothness anyways. The m10 is a very good wheelbase
Hello can you adapt a fanatec wheel with an adapter?
if yes how please ?
Thanks
With a usb conversion kit, you can use any fanatec wheel on any wheelbase as long as you fit the right quick release on it. But honestly the cost to do that conversion is quite high.
@@LaurenceDusoswa I want to buy a direct Drive but I have a lot to buy. I have 1200 euro for the pedal + direct Drive + wheel. I therefore thought of this simagic brand
@@Nam__88 have a look at the simagic alpha mini which is coming out.
Or the fanatec CSL DD. They are cheaper direct drive options and will come in within your budget.
If you want more advice, feel free to join my discord: bit.ly/LDDiscord
@@LaurenceDusoswa ok Alpha mini yeah cool thanks you.
Discord ok :)
"wireless" isnt it still plugged into the base similar to fanatec wheels?
Nope, it used a 2.4ghz protocol for communication. It does have pins which don’t plug in, they simply touch a contact plate and that transfers the power. As soon as it’s powered up, the wheelbase and wheel find one another and it’s ready to go.
The fanatec pins are weak and horrible to use by comparison. Fanatec’s system is not a true quick release system. I did a full video on the Simagic QR system if you’re interested: th-cam.com/video/FVooJVZyI8E/w-d-xo.html
@@LaurenceDusoswa ohhh makes sense. dang that is cool then. great comparison man. as always
You’re very welcome :)
Bagus!
thanks! I think? :p
can i say first here !
Yes you can. Sir
Hahaha Nice one :)