King of the JRPGs (Dragon Quest XI) - Clemps
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Dragon Quest 11 is one of those ‘great games’ you hear so much about, and I’m here to explain why the it’s now solidified itself as one of the best JRPGs I’ve played in recent years. Thank you to Square-Enix for giving me a code to use for my review, and as always, thanks to everyone for watching!
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MUSIC:
Clan Hall - FFXII
Rim Elm - Legend of Legaia
Town of Light - Legend of Legaia
Help Store Seagull Group - FFX-2
Crossing those Hills - FFIX
To Become One - Katawa Shoujo
Love Letter Epic War - FFIX
We are Thieves - FFIX
Yukari’s Theme -Yuyushiki
Yui’s Theme - Yuyushiki
複製サレタ街 Arranged by LITE
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SPOILERS BEGIN AT 18:51 AND END AT 22:02
Thanks for the patience, everyone! I thought I'd cover Dragon Quest XI as a first impressions video, but it swiftly blew me away and I knew I had to make a full review. Hope you enjoy it!
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EDIT: Aware I called Veronica 'Victoria' at least once in this video for some... unknown reason lol. Also for those of you interested and are playing on PC, you can download a mod for the orchestra soundtrack! :)
Clemps Hoo boi can't wait! Great video, I really wanna buy it and now your video made me want it even more :)
Thanks for the great vid man! Was iffy about getting this but you’ve convinced me.
You should totally do the Golden Sun series for GBA.
definately liked it, and didnt expect it, i mean i just finished it a few days ago myself xD
As an addendum to the Pep system, i kinda wish they'd have separated the supermode from the team-skills, i get that some of them are too OP to be always available, but some of them really arent, and could easily be balanced out by costing MP; and the nature of the Hallelujah and Electric Light team skills made me naturally save pep for leveling and farming rather than actually using the tactical components all that much
there is currently a free mod in the steamstore that replaces the midi sounds bro
It’s crazy how the Switch port made this game basically perfectly. So many quality of life changes and additional content, but most importantly, it fixed the biggest flaw with the game by adding an orchestrated ost.
I'm still gutted though they made the switch complete version for ps4 and its resolution and graphics takes a big hit yet it was on ps4 first. At least they reduced the price I guess. Would of been crazy if they asked for full price.
I only ever played the switch version, so when he brought up the soundtrack I was shocked that the orchestral version wasn’t in there from the start
@@Kennosuke88 Yeah, looking at the footage from 2:00-3:10, you can really see what you're missing if you get XI S. The original looks incredible with the lighting and shadows. Really fine detail. I don't own a PS4, so it's Switch or PC for me, and if it's more or less similar graphics for either of my choices, I'm taking the portable option. I gather you can't even buy the original on Steam anymore.
YES
SO GLAD AT LEAST ONE TH-camR I CARE ABOUT IS GIVING THIS GAME THE TIME OF DAY
Erik's story is proof of big brain writing.
"why is his accent out of place? lazy ass casting"
developers: hahahaha
Whats better is his accent is out of place for both english people and americans. This is a purposeful decision, because eriks voice actor is an english person putting on a generic american accent, instead of just an American
I downloaded the demo onto my Switch to try it out, and HOLY GOD it’s letting me play so much of the game right off the bat. I’ve been playing 3 hours of it, and I kept going, “I know it’s going to cut me off at some point,” but it kept going. I found out it lets you play 10 HOURS of the game. And I can transfer my save from the demo when I buy the game.
I know as soon as I’m able, I’m giving this game my money. It’s a fun as heck and it is amazing how generous the demo was.
I don't remember the last time I played anything where there was a character who stood out so much as the single greatest in the entire game but Sylvando is the fucking best, darling
Sylvando: Best boy or Bestest boy?
Sylvando is the best thing about the game
Change my mind
I literally skip his dialogue everytime he is on screen
@@FuriousGorge he's literally a stereotype.
You'll love him until he beats you mercilessly in the last Horse Cup, lol
Honestly, it gets pretty annoying hearing people claim over and over again about how turn-based combat is “boring” and has to “evolve” when you can say the same thing about any kind of game, really. I like my action RPG’s as much as the next guy but turn-based combat can be just as engaging, especially when done well, so props to sticking up for them, Clemps.
To be fair, they kinda have a point, you know.
It’s a shame but that’s what’s part of the charm with Dragon Quest. The whole point is that it keeps the Traditional turn based RPG rekevekt and alive and it does just that . They have action ones (Heroes and Builders) as side games anyway
actually, their "points" are weak, that's the point the OP is making. It's a matter of opinion and human nature's tendency to jump on the latest trend of what's popular (or not). There's nothing inherently bad or boring with tyrn bases rpgs. Persona 5 comes to mind as being as engaging as any turn based rpg I've played.
I wonder if those people take Pokemon's success as a franchise in consideration when they say Turn Based is outdated
They're usually just ADD riddled Zoomers who have zero patience and are in need of constant stimulation
Saying turn based is bad is super retarded, it's like saying platforming is bad. Way too broad of a stroke with the huge variety and inherent simplicity in either genre
Yeah, Sylvando turns out to be amazing. I wasn't sure about him at first, but grew to enjoy all his quirks.
Sylvando is a genuinely great character.
I first thought he was a Hisoka expy, turns out aside they're not nearly as alike. Aside from both being circus clowns and likeable wild cards.
He's just the best!
His stereotypical antics are played for comedy every scene he is in tho
Also had the best healing ability in the mid game
When Sylvando is in the room, EVERYONE becomes Bi.
I am straight as an arrow...but must agree with you.
I also think the weakest element of DQXI is the OST but not necessarily because it's only MIDI. The real problem is that it feels like the game has 10 themes to choose from for almost every area and/or cutscene.
I agree! There are moments where i wish the story was complimented by the amazing orchestra from the 8th game in the series. Where some of the more emotional parts are slightly tinged by the lack of a good tune not complimenting the scene but more MIDI.
They then added orchestrations for the "Definitive Edition" and that I agree. It gets annoying when the whole world (outside of the towns) has like three short themes.
The compositions aren't all that inspired either...
This is definitely not the best JRPG I've seen recently in terms of music, but I don't get the complaints regarding the music. DQ11 in general feels like its staying close to it's roots as possible, and the same goes for music. Like one theme for the whole overworld (till the inevitable major changes). Same goes for towns. While only Cobblestone gets a unique theme, the others are common based on the type of settlement, whether its towns, castle towns or villages.
Also people hating stop treating the original sounds like a default punching bag. They sounds outdated at times so I understand why most wouldn't like them but not all of them are that bad. Some even fit well enough regardless (like the wacky boss battle music or even some handful of emotional moments).
Every battle theme is abysmal and that is what you will hear 98% of time.
While i can see the... obvious doujinbait elements of the Jade Casino arc, i actually like it... beyond, well, the doujinbait xD
Feels like it makes her accept and embrace a side of her she had but suppressed because she knew it clashed with how she normally presents herself as well as the direness of the situation her whole life has been. There are some hints in the dialogue she gets in the party dialogue menu/campfire dialogue IMO
Dragon Quest XI is a comfy RPG for those who just want a straight up RPG-ass RPG.
Also, Martina/Jade is best girl.
This is more than that dq 11 is a masterpiece better than every wrpg out there by miles especially when you complete the true final boss and ending this is the real deal. have been playing rpgs for 30 years this game is special.
Sylvando is the Best boi
My review of Dragon Quest XI:
Sylvando.
That is all.
Thanks Clemps! I'm 80 hours in and alot of your thoughts on the story telling match my own. One piece also came to mind for me during my playthrough (coincidentally started watching the series in July). Every little "chapter" in the game is full of little tropes that have just enough of a twist to slightly surprise you and it's all so well paced and executed that it never drags its feet unlike so many other JRPGS. This is slowly making its way to becoming one of my favorite JRPGS along with FFIX, FFX, P4, and TTYD.
What does TTYD stand for? You've got great taste btw c:
paper mario the thousand year door pretty sure
Good news, modders are working with the PC version to use orchestral versions of the soundtrack to try to fix the MIDI problems.
So....know one is going to address that Rab is just Grandpa Gohan. That in design, plot structure, and mannerisms? These are Toriyama design types after all?
Toriyama only draws like ten different characters. It's kinda well known by now.
@@starlitalpha7 One thing I did notice is that Toriyama can design females better than males. Most of the women in the franchise (aside from a few initial Android 18 and Chi Chi lookalikes) were actually pretty unique. The males though were always either Goku, Gohan or Trunks.
That said, DQ11 is where it felt that all of the main leads were pretty different. You could say the Luminary looks kinda like Trunks, which I did feel like only by the 2d posters. The in-game model couldn't be more different.
That’s a weird way to spell “chalky”
I mean the luminary is trunks.
@@at0micl0bster i was thinking the same thing like chalky could fall into the grandoa Gohan archetype but not rab lol
The thing with Jade allure tree is that it feels like the developers just checked a box that states that Dragon Quest MUST have that sexy character thats not Jessica. Even though this skill tree makes a Jade a beast of a character its still disappointing that it was not written in better.
i disagree for jade in the video her personal and how beautiful she is it fit how she survive after that day
she know when she need to use woman weapon for good
So, what exactly happens to Jade in that story segment? I still haven't played (although I don't care about spoilers, if everyone is bashing this segment) and Clemps is kinda vague about details here. I understood from the footage that she was being controlled by the... "frog-thing"(?). Is that accurate?
@@MarlonMacielBrando
sorry for my poor english
her is beautiful little princess one day her kingdom is ruin by monster but her survive with rab (old guy from trailer)
around 15 year later her grow up her still have beautiful personality and attractive looking but her have martial art ability too
in her skill panel split to 4 way
1. charming
2. gauntlet
3. spear
4. martial art
you can choose her style whatever you want, in her charm panel it have skill for allure enemy or dmg skill by base on charm of her status
in her story she is have adult looking not a little girl and sexy body but yes her pensonality not try to act sexy to attractive anyone her not kinda of person
but it have one scene when we go againt old friend enemy she use some girly looking of her to escape that situation i mean it understandable for her character to use charming skill for survive all this year it not strange for overall her character
she is beautiful charming and strong that what she is
after half way of the story she got trap by disgusting demon and change her to sexy demon girl looking but when the curse gone she really mad and stomp that demon to dead ... that is
it not much about her sexy stuff in canon story but player can choose to play her that way (it rpg right?) in skill panel bc of her beautiful looking and it understandable for the story how she grow up and become a beautiful charming person and strong women
@@warm-heartedreaction6191 Ah, now I get it. Thanks. So I take it that Clemps' problem is more like "why do her like this, though" than "STAPH SEXUALIZING FEMALES U SEXIST".
Except if you've played into part two it gets written in really well
that defence of turn based gameplay tough, amazing, keep roasting the non-believers
It's just really well done in dq, it always has been. It's just the right speed if you are the right level. It's great game design.
I don't explicitly disagree with it, most RPG fans that love classic turn-based gameplay will always play something like this if it's done right. I find that it needs a bit of a twist to be truly interesting, like SMT's Press Turn Battle, Grandia's ACT/COM system, or Growlanser's mix of strategy and realtime combat. I just can't seem to get into a game that's turn-based without that extra mechanical flair adding a layer of depth to planning. A more bare-bones system isn't bad, and at the end of the day it's just personal preference, but I do think that games that offer such a twist without sacrificing the turn-based combat (again, like SMT) benefits a bit more than not
Honestly is there a better method of controlling multiple characters with precision in a battle? Sure there's real time strategy games but to get good at those you have to hone your skills to a mirror sheen before you could compare to the control you can get turn-based. Ever since FF12 Squeenix keep trying to make the Final Fantasy games more real-time and just makes you control one character with the other characters controlled by AI or make you put pre-loaded actions into them.
I think the problem with turn-based combat isn't the system itself, it's just how commonplace it is because it works so well for a lot of long-form group focused stories.
The problem I find with the argument is the titles that Clemps used. One company made a turn based game that he likes so that same company should only make turn based games with the franchise that is primarily used to innovate on battle systems? One of the hallmarks of Final Fantasy is that the battle system always changes with every numbered game. It's not like Square Enix doesn't make games with turn based combat. I mean most of his examples are Square Enix games, so how can this be a problem with this company if most of the turn based games he uses as examples are games made by this company? This is why other studios should have been used as examples as the argument doesn't have a solid foundation.
YES PLEASE KEEP ROASTING THOSE IDIOTS
I was sitting here at the beginning of the vid thinking, that fat old guy in the river reminds me of dragonball. "Famous manga artist Toriyama..." Ahh, I see now.
Congratulations Mr. Clemps, you have officialy made me interested in the Dragon Quest franchise!
I’m not sure you’re going to read this Clemps but I just wanna day your editing and comedic timing continues to be top tier! I was having a rough day and once again your videos have me in tears laughing! Keep up the good work!
THANK YOU! Jade was mistreated as a character and everyone needs to know it!
Yeah the whole thing was so annoying and uncomfortable, Clemps explanation was great.
His explanation wasn’t great, because he made out like she had a choice in acting like she did, when she was clearly under the control of that monster. The whole point was that it had nothing to do with her personality.
@@gilgamesh310 Umm his point still stands. He mentioned she wasn't in control as well. The reason it was so weird is because they didn't need her mind control to be like that, the forced sexual body language etc. They could have just made her the monsters personal guard, but no. It had to be made sexual on a character that is nothing like that. Then throw in the fact she unlocks the "allure" skill tree which is completely out of Jades character. It's clear they just wanted a character to be sexual, to please a certain audience, and it didn't matter if it made sense. They could have chosen any number of amazing ways to tell Jades side story, but no. They went with sex slave, how thrilling!
@@trashtv6138 The issue I took was when he made out that it being consistent with her character was relevant. It obviously wasn't, seeing as the whole point of mind control was that they're not in control. I'm not too familiar with the Allure abilities, because I haven't gotten far beyond that point. I just find this argument that it's 'out of character' to be irrelevant here.
@@gilgamesh310 The issue is that her allure skill tree was present from the start, the very moment you received her as a party member. Yet not once in the story, ON HER OWN FREE WILL, was she ever flirtatious or acted as such, because that wasn’t her character.
Yeah, she gets brainwashed and becomes that, but compare that with everyone else and their character development, and she ends up being shafted character wise. And once she’s out of the brainwashing, boom, she’s back to being stoic and serious.
And even then her “sisterly bodyguard” shtick doesn’t really get expanded on anyway. Veronica’s more of a bodyguard than Jade ever was.
Having platinumed the game, my two thoughts:
-I would kill for an auto-dash toggle because holding R2 for hours is no fun
-Nthing how bad the music is, good god
Damn good game
Press the option button, it turns on auto-run.
Playing it on PC right now with an orchestra music mod and finding it very good even tho i'm not at all a fan of basic JRPG combat system, but hard mode and an ability to change party member mid-fight is adding enought depth to the gameplay - and everything else is great anyway, so i'm really enjoing it right now. My expirience with the DQ is finishing 8 on ps2 and 5 on DS - they're fun but random encounter system and fairly basic combat wear me down a bit.
While story is basic, it's not bad, it's just 'pure', kinda like something like John Wick is a simple pure action movie, this is a pure fairy tale adventure. Will watch your video when i'm finished with the game!
I didn't used to care about these sorts of games but Clemps has opened my mind to japanese rpgs.
ps I'm still pretty sure even the people behind Kingdom Hearts don't know what going on in the story. anymore.
The Iron Armenian aka G.I. Haigs even the characters in kingdom hearts have no clue about what's going on
Being a kh fan since the ps2 era i finally understood once everything came to ps4 before I had to depend on videos lol
I lost track like 10 years ago
I mean, does anyone anymore?
@@kalamander8563 yea, kh isnt nearly as hard to understand as people make it out it to be
This game is just JRPG perfection, an old recipe that has been fine tuned to an absolute video game miracle.
Also Katawa Shoujo music at around 15:25 mark, nice one Clemps
Oh man same here. Every time Sylv was talking, I had such a stupid grin on my face. What a great character.
You’re easily my hero. Just hit the FF6 half way point and it made me feel like a kid playing his Super Nintendo again.
Nier and this are reminders RPGs can still be glourious
I still remember beating IX without using any other party members or changing my class. It was ridiculously hard at points but I still remember loving it. I don’t know why I did it, I guess I was a stubborn child.
How'd you do that? 9 was my first dragon quest and I could never get past the horseman without getting party members from the inn.
I knew someone who did that because she didn't know you _could_ create additional party members - she just assumed that the extra teammate slots were for multiplayer.
wow, I remember beating the last boss alone, but it was easy after farming every vocation, but the entire game...
That's dedication...
I knew there were additional party members, but I did not know how to recruit them. I had to look it up after I got stonewalled by Ragin’ Contagion.
THANK YOU!
Thank you for having the courage to say what others won't about turn base games.
I had this exact same argument and rebuttal with people before; and I felt it needs to be said again.
People who think turn base is dull and need to get with the times are walls that need this hammered into them.
I'm sorry turn base isn't boring you are.
Also thanks clemps, you sold me on buying this, everything you said was what I wanted.
Well, basic JRPG combat system is kinda dull. It's not that "turn-based games" are dull as a whole - it's just that turnbased mechanics without any positioning is kinda too restricted. Bosses - yeah, usually bosses have enought interesting attacks that it's engaging, but regular battles are usually a chore. DQ 11 is a bit better with it's hard mode and ability to change party members mid-battle wich adds to the depth, but tbh most classic JRPGs battle systems are very boring exept in a boss fight.
Turn-based games with positioning tho? That's a whole other story and probably my favorite battle mechanics (if balanced well)
old gerko I disagee, turn based requies a level of strategy when it comes to moves that make regular battles passable with one move later on.
Let's put it this way; If your strong enough to reach a boss in said game you're usually strong enough to one-hit every regular encounter.
It's more of an excuse than a point.
@@yesham0
That's your opinion I suppose.
@@OldyAlbert
Nah I agree with jrpghero
While you do have points on older games we're talking about turn based as a whole.
I don't agree with it being too restrictive cause that's a broad statement; I could argue that action rpg's are too restrictive in making me button mash with not strategy as how to handle bosses and so on.
Because turn base in an opinion and while switching out party members on the fly is something I can agree on (makes persona 5 all the more fun) I also have to use p5 as a point where even without that (cause it's optional) you can make an amazingly fun and challenging rpg with turn based, positioning system of no. I agree with clemps no matter what other people say; it's timeless.
Y'know what, I've been out of the Dragon Quest loop for a bit, but Sylvando is now my favorite character in like the entire series. Thank you SO much for introducing me and my friends to him through this video.
I can't wait to play the Switch version! The 10h demo was just (chef's kiss)
I'm replaying the demo in draconian quest mode, super fun!
13:30-16:27 YES!!! Thank you!! And I totally agree- I would LOVE a new, highly polished, turn based FF game!
This is exactly why I'm bummed out that FF7 remake wont be using the same or a re-vamped turn based system. Seems like a wasted opportunity
OH, so that explains all the jade doujins.
I remember Dragon Quest was the first proper rpg i ever got as a child, Always held a special place in my heart after those 180hrs.
I took the outfit as growth to be more confident and free, and being able to grow past their own limitations beyond what anyone might think or judge. Ultimate payback while also kicking a person down has many other deep connotations
Hot take: dragon quest is too tradition and doesn’t do anything progressive to the medium
Enter Sylvando: “Daaaarrrling!!!”
Me: never mind
Ever since I saw this review, I'd wanted to play DQ11 for myself, and now that it's coming out next month on the Switch, I'm totally gonna get it!
I'm glad XI S fixed the context of the Jade scene by adding her bonus story.
Honestly Mane, the first play around, I adored the MIDI OST, it felt like it kicked me right in the nostalgia 😅
I adored octopath. So i was incredibly surprised at how much better dragon quest xi was. It’s like going from a 9/10 to an 11/10. I still think octopath is pretty great, although not as good.
i knew from the start that dq 11 is from another league octopath was good but dq 11 is one of the best rpgs ever made.
mana beast i knew it from the start too, it was just the period between beating octopath and dqxi coming out. I knew it from how incredible it felt, and how much I love the voice lines. It was the fighting tournament that made me think “okay, this is one of the best games ever made”, I’ve never had such a wide smile on my face.
@@abbisarchive8199 for me it really different but still give dq11 for 9.5/10 and octopath 9/10
both game have different really great element for make a game become really good
faily tale story of dq is top tier rpg feeling
octopath have great darkness rpg story and epic battle and music
Nafis Zaman yeah, I love octopath, but it had so much missed potential. At least it means we’re gonna get a pretty good sequel somewhere down the line, bc octopath with better execution would be godlike.
DutchPlayss i found an excellent method that meant I never had to grind. Form two parties. First, beat the game with one party, the one that has your protagonist. Then, beat the other 4 characters stories with just their party. If you do this, you’ll never have to grind, just so long as you have a strategy.
Btw the chess metafore is perfect. Is what I always tell to the people who peddle the "turn base is outdated" shit.
You have no idea how huge the grin that appeared on my face when you started to bring up One Piece. One Piece and Dragon Quest are two of my most favorite things even, and to see them compared like this made me so happy.
Final Fantasy X-2's highest achievement is giving us music to introduce sylvando
Dragon Quest soundtracks have always been extremely forgettable for me. They're not bad per say, but I've never encountered a song that makes me stop what I'm doing and just listen to the music. Nobuo Uematsu, Shoji Meguro, Keiichi Okabe and Yasunori Mitsuda have utterly spoiled me when it comes to video game music, and I'll go out of my way to get the soundtracks to their respective games and listen to them nonstop in my free time. I can't name you a single Dragon Quest song, much less the name of the composer.
Wow even anything from DQ VIII?
you deserve a PUFF-PUFF Clemps, nice review
8 million years late and I just needed to say how much I respect to use of Rim Elm's music, I whistle that song all the time because Legaia took up way too much of my formative years
Thanks to this video, I gave it a chance as my first JRPG. It took me 80 hours but I finally beat it, and I'm very glad for it too. I also had an issue with the OST but my problem was the number of songs, rather than the quality of them. It's probably because I haven't played a DQ game before though. That said, I had a great time with it and instantly recommended it to my friends as well.
Don't know if I will play this game but I am more likely to play this then Octopath Traveler.
That's exactly my sentiment...
*Spoilers*
Thanks for bringing up that point about Jade, felt like a letdown that each character including Hendrik got well rounded ends to their arcs and she just kinda gets a fanservice power up and some doujin material without it really factoring into her character development. It also did annoy me that the Hero doesn't talk cuz it really took away from the emotional weight in certain scenes, and I felt like the final villain warranted a bit of further development as he just kinda waits for you the entire time. Nonetheless I would say this is my favorite game of the year and I'm looking forward to seeing where the series goes next. Excellent video as always Clemps you give us that good shit.
Ah right, this actually my first one, I'll probably go back and play some of the others but just personally it annoyed me that you're experiencing all these heartfelt moments with these characters but the hero just stands there and :| Thought it was weird that he talked in a flashback as a child too do any of the other games do that?
That legend of legaia clip what a man of culture
Legend of Legaia music never fails to make me super happy
CLEMPS. PLEASE. REVIEW. RADIATA STORIES. FOR. PLAYSTATION 2. PLEASE.
As a person who loved Dragon Quest Builders to death, I feel like I will adore this game!
That final fantasy 9 over world theme 😍😍😍
God damn you for using all the best music. Seriously, your taste in game ost's is impeccable.
Yo clamps, have you ever read the Dragon Quest doujin How I Stalked Some Dude With an Exposed Nipple and Stumbled Upon the Zenithian Sword? It takes a nameless npc character from the beginning of DQ5 and gives him a story
"It's not to my taste so it's old-fashioned" always struck me as asinine.
I laughed my ass off when Sylvando showed up. All hail the Evil Queen! ❤️🖤
IMO the most important thing for a turn-based system is that it needs to have some degree of complexity/mechanics that force you to make decisions. One instance of this is Press Turn from SMT: I don't necessarily think that it's the absolute best or most strategic system, but it DOES make it at least a little bit more engaging because it means you have to think at least a little more about how to hit weaknesses to get more turns, and it makes the game more punishing if you mess up which in this case I think is a good thing.
Bravely Default also had a very strong mechanic with Braving/Defaulting, meaning you could make strategic choices about how to manipulate your turns and it only got more interesting with the various jobs and abilities that give you even more possibilities/setups you can use. Sure it can lead to some absurdly broken stuff but rather than that being a detriment I find it very satisfying when your planning pays off.
Valkyrie Profile is also a fantastic example because it kind of blurs the line, every character is mapped to a button and you have to press the buttons in the right order to create combos, break enemy guards, etc. It's really one of the most innovative battle systems out there and VP2 added even more to it.
People will crucify me for this, but I don't think ATB has ever been a well-designed turn-based system. It doesn't ruin the games it's in by any means but IMO it contradicts what turn-based systems are supposed to be about, and it's just not very interesting or engaging in and of itself.
I'll be *that guy* , and say there is very good reason games like Bravery series, Octopath and Persona are so damn successful.
But before that, I want you think and tell me games other than those that were even remotely as commercially successful, let alone as popular. Outside handful of few titles from handful of developers, it's likely it'll be quite difficult.
*Octopath* was heavily advertised by Nintendo as a solid RPG for Switch (along with Xenoblade 2), as they needed the a breakout titles from 1st and 3rd party for the system. It had a good amount of screen time on E3, where everyone from hardcore gamers who are 24/7 on the Internet to semi-casual gamers who have played old games and tuned in for new releases. And since it's artstyle was so striking, it generated immense curiosity and buzz. Nintendo marketed it like "water to thirsty turn-based RPG fans" and force them to buy a Switch (Software sells Hardware).
*Persona 5* was similarly marketed by Sony. A reveal with an immensely striking artstyle. A cocktease of anticipation, during which a lot of word of mouth spread and Sony showcased it in every eveny possible, telling you that such an experience only be had on the PlayStation(R)4(TM).
*Bravery series* is very interesting in that the reception was great, but initially it wasn't going as well, until it got the word-of-mouth spread and it got "discovered". 3DS has a very, very strong following, with equally strong word-of-mouth (and IMO switch is getting that network as well). Read the comments on mainstream sources at the times, everyone will say it was a "surprise hit".
Now I'll talk about a little game called *Cosmic Star Heroine* and the 2 man studio, Zeboyd Games.
One of the devs, Robert Boyd, is a huge, HUGE JRPG fantastic and has played (and has knowledge about) retro JRPGs of all shape and sizes. Their previous two games, Breath of Death VII and Cthulu Saves the World, are some of the parody games ever made.
After 4 years since their last game, they release Cosmic Star Heroine, a love letter Genesis JRPGs, esp. Phantasy Star, but with turn based combat having a twist on Chrono Trigger's. It's the perfect retro JRPG with just the nostalgia and just the modernized values of today's games. This game has every hallmark of being a fan favorite among the turn based crowd.
However, it didn't do anywhere close to that. They release on PC and PS4 in 2017, where the sales were meddling. It released on Switch and one would hope the Switch crowd would eat it up, but it was meddling again. Dev later said that any small mention or retweet from Nintendo would have massively pushed the game's sale and the Octopath/turn based crowd would be extremely pleased.
TL;DR - *It doesn't matter how good your game is until a lots of MONEY is poured into it's MARKETING.*
Now I know it's very unfair to compare an indie game to massive games made by giant publishers and endorsed by the damn platform holders, but *I think it's also unfair for the many niche games to get such poor commercial reception despite their quality.*
So what can your, Luke aka Clemps, can do?
You can have very big advantage as an Internet personality. We all can talk about controversies and negativity all the times, be it YT or Twitter. Rather than waste time and energy on them, we can give boost to genuine quality and goodness on the games and games community. Reasons behind corporate marketing are always cynical and money minded, but since we have no such obligation, we can promote and talk about stuff out of genuine love and passion.
If you have read this far, you have my sincerest thanks. You have helped a lot of people in reinvigorating the love of games, and to see them beyond the surface, and for that I can't thank you enough.
Have a great day. :)
great post .marketing is essential nowadays.damn, even the great FF7 had a huge marketing budget. you also mention word of mouth. the only case of real word of mouth i know in the last years was demon souls/dark souls.
@@goncaloferreira6429 YES, YES! Someone else finally understood that FF7 was not a gift of Gods that was decended from heavens, but an extremely heavily advertised product that was unlike anything during the 90s, along with with endorsement from (check notes) platform holders.
And word of mouth not only popularized the Souls series, but also caused Operation Rainfall, leading to localization of Xenoblade Chronicles.
@Hemang Chauhan just to clarify, i think ff7 really was a great game.
Didn`t know about the operation rainfall. Been checking it out now and IMO its not the same word of mouth as the one i mentioned, but more of an organized effort on the part of who knows how many people. Souls growth was more of a simple love story for the games that later became viral.
But ill say one thing: if nintendo really didnt have plans to release xenoblade chronicles outside of japan they must have been crazy.
Oh no no, FF7 is a good game, but for few people who haven't seen the depth the genre has to offer, aren't really correct when they say "IT'S THE BEST GAME OF ALL TIME!!!"
And for Operation Rainfall, it was a group of dedicated hardcore Japanese players who spread who awareness at the times when social media was at it's infancy. It's a combination of both word-of-mouth and a movement. Sometimes fans have to make the effort to bring good stuff to us.
Operation Rainfall was the push to release Xenoblade, Pandora's Tower and The Last Story in the NTSC region. They were initially supposed to be availabe only in Japan and Europe and not America. That's why they were localised by NoE.
Thank the lord, I freaking love your videos man. Thank you bröther.
I have been watching this thing like a hawk since your last video
You are ever a master of live-action gags, Clemps.
Great video! And thank you for bringing up the Jade stuff, I loved the character but was unable to articulate how that bit bothered me
16:52: *laughs in Switch Version-ese*
Just a side note, you named Veronica, Victoria. But yeah great video Clemps!
Nice review, the mention of the composer's opinions made me look it up and now I wanna play even more.
Such an amazing review for the my personal goty :)
I think it should be noted that the legend of legaia music in the back hit me in the soft spot
Jade is hot! Also, the game really looks gorgeous.
Couldn't agree More
Nice review! I don't have any problem with Jade's casino arc, doe.
sylvando is actually the main character of this game and you can't change my mind
I really liked your food analogy, Kind of reminded me of the day I discovered my Love of Garlic, I'd been suffering from a strain of "super flu" and had been finding it difficult to eat almost anything because it just tasted like plastic and I just didn't like eatng with how my gut was feeling, one of the few things I found I could eat was butterd pan fried mushrooms and feeling kind of adventurous that day I added a couple spoonful of crushed garlic to the butter while it was melting and then added my mushrooms, the taste was like seeing a missing a colour in the rainbow, HOW had I not tried this before!? safe to say crushed garlic became a staple ingredient in my recipie for panfried mushrooms, I even made it to my Mother and Grandmother and they loved it because I perfected the Garlic to butter ratio. I also found adding a dash of Garlic powder to my scambled eggs sasoned with Dill gave it a nice kick in the pants.
Later on I found out that Garlic is a naturally occuring antibiotic and is good for maintaining healthy bacteria in the body.
it was also sort of How a litte game (at the time) By the name of Ark:survival evolved found its way into my Steam game library, I had origionally come across an abscure little dino survival game similar to the forest (which dips way too horror genre for my liking, not a fan o horror games or the genre in general) by the name of The Stomping Land, I don't remember fully how I found that one, But I'm a bit tentative with early acess games so I normally just wishlist them and wait several months until a sale or for the game to develop a bit more before diving into the Purchase and adding it into my library.
sadly dor TSL that day never came, as time wore on the negative reviews revealed that It'd been abandoned and was left a buggy unfinished mess with the Dev disapearing into the ether of the internet, scroling my way back up to hit the 'remove from wishlist button I paused at the "games like this" scroll and there in the middle between two other dino games was Ark, it looked kind of interesting so I decided to have a peek at its store page, my interest shot up ten fold as I watched the trailers for the game. I HAD TO GET THIS. It'd had been out for almost a year I think, but when I took a dive into the world of Ark it was some time after Dire Wolves came out but before the dragon boss had been added. I had no idea how I missed it but this game was the closest thing to my happy place since Minecraft. I was hooked and hooked deep, I have admitedly put more than a thousand hours into this game, Ark was the Garlic of my videogame experience.
Your videos have been getting progressively more and more entertaining. Great job on this one.
You're a Touhou fan? Well that's bloody awesome. Now I'm curious if you could do a review/retrospective of the series, as there's surprisingly little of that (from what I know)
It may a tad late given the game is coming out at the end of this week, but do you think you’ll be giving your thoughts on XI S and the changes it brings to the table?
Another great video Clemps. I always have a smile on my face when I see a video of yours in my sub box.
The Australian ratings board gave this "M" (Simulates Gambling, recommended for 15 years and older) - despite ~actual~ gambling being allowed in games and gambling ads in family TV shows... but didn't mention anything about mature concepts like family/child deaths, the bunny suit arc and shenanigans, the big spoiler bit, etc.
Thanks for actually giving me what I need to know ~which~ of my nephews/nieces can just play this and which need an adult present! (and making me want it too)
Well I'm sold. I've been thirsting for a good, classic JRPG for a while now and these characters look great. Now excuse me while I steal your thirst joke for when I meet Jade.
I agree with a lot of this except the bit about Jade. The cut scene fight between her and hendrick shows that shes willing to use underhand tactics to win fights. And looking at her teacher i would expect no less than one of those tricks to be to use your allure to beat men easier so, to me, it kinda made sense.
Will agree that the mind control thing for the casino is creepy though.
Great work on the video.
Id argue that even though that is the case the casino scene actually strengthens the foundation of her character than breaks it. By this I mean that her break in character wasn't so much bad writing as being mind controlled by the most uncomfortable abomination this game has to offer. This nicely contrasted by the fact that her reaction to this event is to do something completely in character to keep both her pride and to get pay back. On a side note i would have preferred if allure was added to her skill tree after demon mode and tied mainly in with demon mode.
Also nonetheless I completely agree the casino scene is creepy as f**k.
This video was the only reason I was interested in "The Hero" being in smash, I'm totally checking this game out when it comes to the switch.
That sudden Katawa Shoujo tune got me feeling feels.
There are only 3 games on the Playstation 4 that I want.
This is indeed one of them.
Final Fantasy with an Akira Toriyama art style? SIGN ME UP, BIG DADDY!!!!
A new clemps video genuinely makes my day go from ok to amazing. That's how good this content is. Keep it up Clemps.
What a great review. Good job on this one, it's the first video i've seen of yours but wow, what an effort you must have put into this review!
Doesn't Jade actually love the whole Vamp Up powers after the fact? She's not shy about using underhanded or darker tactics like pretending to be injured so nothing about that struck me as out of character for her. Especially since she more or less weaponized the power-up just to beat up the guy who gave it to her in the first place.
The fact thay she starts out with moves like hip drop and puff puff feels super out of character tho. Also its like her section was "wasted" on this comical scenario, rather than opportunity to be character development
Maybe, but the character had so much character development right after meeting/getting them, that adding on more, leaves the other characters way behind in comparison.
Jade likes the whole Vamp up powers because it is basically getting a demon form that buffs you up. Probably more that than being slutty.
1) Overall i give the game 7.5 / 10 , i like the game but the quality of the story goes up and down that you can't help to notice the difference when it's good or just whatever we need to advance the story
2) Pep and pep abilities are just like you said useful but the randomness make it unreliable factor to add to strategy although with some efforts that's still manageable
3) Yup the monster casino and Jade made me uncomfortable with the choices of words they used as if something horrible happened to her while in mind break condition
4) The characters abilities are unbalanced , Dragon Quest viii varieties will be thrive in xi but that's not what i got here, oh well
5) Silent MC just don't work here unlike persona, he just too passive
6) I don't like the music most of them seem like the music is the same since i played viii
dragon quest 11 was more then we get this days and it have become my number 1 in the series putting sragon quest 8 two number 2 on my list thank for letting them now how great this games is
Loved hearing music from final fantasy 10/2 in the beginning of the video! Good memories!
They made Toriyama's style look actually good. This is unbelievable.
Sayers
Ever since he moved on from DB to DBZ toriyama's designs have been suffering and still often do suffer from stuff like same face syndrome and repetitious body types on top of incredibly awkward face proportions even compared to other anime styles.
Dragon Ball's art-style was great, but he'd more or less abandoned that style in favor of one that makes it to where the only defining traits of characters was often their hair, and if you removed said hair most character you wouldnt easily be able to tell apart.
This game however manages to use that art style while throwing in a bit of their own to make characters actually look distinct (one big thing I noticed is that a lot of characters dont actually have toriyama art style facial features). If anything it looks closer to how DB was in that they actually have different proportions and dont just look like costume changes of the same body model.
@Nakumare
They actually DO have Toriyama facial features. His style has just shifted even further over the years after DBZ ended. From the early 00s up till now, his art has gotten back to a more rounded and softer appearance, and characters are less beefy unless they're supposed to be a hulking mass of muscles. His current work is a far cry from the Z era, and when you see illustrations of the XI cast done by him, you'll notice how 1:1 their designs are.
No,they made an overly simplistic, boring to look at artstyle look actually interesting.
MasterofyourDomain
Well then good for Toriyama, because honestly speaking, from an artistic standpoint, DBZ was a hot mess in many respects. Some good conceptual designs (often villains) that were quickly utterly wasted or reduced to having the same repetitious features after taking on more humanoid transformations. It's fine for characters to have similar feels to them as a distinct artistic rpresentation of the artist, but never to the point that you rely on clothing, color palettes, and hairstyles to be able to tell them apart.
Even Chrono Trigger, despite having some really cool monster and architecture designs (which honestly werent entirely his doing, but he was obviously a big part of it), utterly suffered from this very lax and repetitive character design-style. Some huge examples are things like the main character looking like Gohan but with red hair instead of black or yellow, and Ayla just kind of looks like Launch but with fur clothes.
Admittedly, I've seen a bit of the stuff he's been making. Horrid animation and stilted storytelling not withstanding (animation isnt his fault and his storytelling's never been strong to begin with) some of the designs he's made recently (barring some truly horrid ones) are actually pretty good. Kind of have a Chrono Trigger meets traditional Dragonball feel to them actually. That being said, there's still a lot of faces I've seen in this game that don't fall into his new facial features either. Some of them almost seem semi-realistic in comparison to what he usually does.
I've never really felt that strongly about his use of reoccurring facial types when it comes to separate franchises and installments of works. While one can certainly identify a good deal of repetition among everything he's done, he tends to do very well at differentiating members of a specific main cast.
For example, even though you'd inevitable see a Gohan-type of hero design in a particular group, you can guarantee that he'd be the only person that looks like that within that specific party, so it ultimately evens out for me. Most other JRPGs usually have their entire party pretty much have the same exact face unless there's some age or racial differences, but the likes of Chrono Trigger's gang and every DQ party all look very distinctive within their own line up at the end of the day.
What I think also helps is that, a lot of the time, he doesn't necessarily directly lift the same exact faces, but kind of... mixes and matches his features. In a way, it's pretty amusing and peculiar, but it's a neat quirk. His "templates" are very reminisicent of Osamu Tezuka's works.
They're not doing MIDI for nostalgia reasons. They're doing it because Sugiyama wants to sell CDs and live concert tickets so he can fund his war crime denying adds like the subhuman he is.
Got curious to see if you updated your channel, found this posted 12 hours ago
Amazing review and video! Well done as always sir!
I love it how you used the legend of legaia soundtrack. . also one of my favourite games of all time
I appreciate that you use Legend of Legaia music in almost every video ♡
@Clemps Thank You for all the vids you take time to make Looking forward to the next ones 🙏
"My throat needs a little rest" lmao love you klemps! Keep up the amazing content!
Just came by three years later to confirm the most viewed part is Clemps dumping water on himself.
I never would have given this game a thought because I personally don't care for the artstyle. But after watching your review and the cutscenes you showed, its evident that the real beauty is in the animations and polish the art gets.
You have officially put this game on my radar.
Thanks to the Game Awards sale on Playstation, I was able to grab the game on sale and am currently 25+ hours into it.
Loving the Legend of Legaia music in the background. Is one of my favorite games
I’d just given up on finding some decent DQ11 coverage on TH-cam, then I saw this sexy boy in my subs. Hell yeah!