If listening to a band like Weedeater has taught me anything it's that there is no such thing as too much fuzz. So I think the pedalbard needs at least two or three more fuzz pedals.
Think I've watched this 5-6 times already and I keep coming up with new ideas for my board! Thanks Jason. Looking forward to your future builds and projects.
In the 60s/70s/80s, delays and reverb usually drove the front of an amp. Effects loops were usually parallel or non-existent. This is key (rvb/dly>overdrive>amp) if you want an authentic stoner sound that has become pretty uncommon these days. It's perfect for drony, slow riffs, as well as my bloody valentine/ sigur ros style washes. It's an effect that forces you to play a certain way and I love the way it sounds! Love this channel, too! Keep it up! 🤘🤘
I use distortion, fuzz, reverb, delay.. But, I also use an EQ. I think EQ is way too underrated for getting a sound nice and deep. I actually use two EQ pedals, that way I can get two different settings or double them up.
So I'm actually really proud of the way i have my amp and pedalboard setup so I wanted to offer my insights into my thought process behind the setup. The pedal chain goes like this Guitar -> Chromatic Tuner Tu-3 BYPASS OUT -> INPUT NS-2 noise suppressor SEND -> Famicomp Fuzz/Compressor -> Input Randall RX120D Send -> MT-2 Metalzone -> Behringer Ultra Chorus -> RETURN NS-2 OUTPUT -> Solidgold Electroman Delay -> EHX Cathedral -> Return Amplifier. My board is powered by an isolated power supply. I have spent many hours tinkering with all the possible combinations I could put this board in and have settled on this as my mainstay. My logic primarly is I want the NS-2 to include the entire pre amp chain inside of it's own loop for noise supression purposes. This allows me to put my time effects outside the suppressor just before the signal goes to the return on the amplifer which serves as the power amp in. My famicomp is my secondary fuzz distortion, the metalzone is my high gain clarity distortion these two dont sound good together so i use one or the other. The famicomp doubles as a compressor and is designed to go at the beginning of the signal for the fuzz effect this allows me to cleanup the overloud parts of my playing and bring up the pitch harmonics and tapping so they are more audible. The ns-2 in spite of the bad rap it gets is instrumental to keeping all these effects clean and my amp from feedbacking. it also serves as my mute pedal. The chromatic tuner is bypassed and is on all the time it cannot mute. The metalzone also gets a bad rap but it is actually a really good high gain distortion. It is designed to go inside of the effects loop of your amp after the preamp section but before the time based effects this is where i feel the pedal really shines as it really gives a full heavy distortion sound. putting this pedal in front of the preamp is awful, wonky, inconsistent and feedbacky and is the reason why many people hate the pedal. Sorry for the long winded comment. Many of my effects are on the cheap side I think my most expensive pedal is either the famicomp or the cathedral. You would be surprised how much mileage you can get out of cheaper common effects pedals.
I play bass, and I put my chorus and echo before my dirt pedals. I've noticed that the effects blend together better that way. If I put the echo after distortion, there's too much distinction; the distortion sounds too separate from the echo, and the echo is dynamic-independent (i.e. slapping back all the time). If I put the echo before distortion, they blend together better and the echo becomes dynamic-dependent, so I can get a general reverb sound most of the time and trigger the slapback where it has the most effect. For example, sliding my fingers on the strings triggers it, or palm muting in the right places. You can hear what I'm talking about in this song: th-cam.com/video/QX0sJ2B7OMU/w-d-xo.html You don't hear the slapback anywhere else except the slides. It also colors the distortion in an interesting way that I wouldn't get putting the echo after distortion. Pete Thorn did a video about the difference pedal order makes: th-cam.com/video/sTIHC86sDZo/w-d-xo.html He uses Van Halen as his example. I used to wonder the same thing about EVH's sound; how he could go from a general reverb sound to a slapback sound just from a riff change. I also put my chorus before my echo; I haven't tried echo before chorus yet because I'm happy with the way it sounds now, but I just might try switching them.
Great vid. My only thing is I wish you would have played with the board more. Switching between effects and showing the different tones. Overall I really enjoyed the video, great job.
I’ve got an Orange or15 with an EQD Black Ash fuzz, EQD Speaker Cranker, a RAT clone built by my friend Eric from Strange Effects, and Dunable’s Complete Distorter all running into the front. I’ve got the amp’s gain at roughly 10 o’clock. In the effects loop I’ve got OBNE Dweller, EHX Memory Man w/ Hazarai, Source Audio Ventris, and OBNE Darkstar. The sonic palette is great.
Latest setup for gigs = guitar>overdrive boss sd1> input of amp1 Peavey deuce vt>preamp out> 7 band eq boss ge7> stereo effect Mimiq Doubler>> dry amp1 return/effect amp2 return. Both amps are Peavey Deuce VT converted to head units. At home the setup changes by the hour. I'm always fucking with shit. Sometimes I feel less is more while other times more is more. Great video. I've been playing with stacking overdrives and boost into distortion pedals. You definitely have me some clues as to why my fuzz pedals sound squished to me. I'll have to play around some more.
Thanks for sharing your setup, and yeah the fuzz takes awhile to get used to! Be sure it is up front in chain an embrace the loosey goosey fuzz tone (: Jason
I have 2 reverbs on my board. One set to a short setting and one set to medium. Give a really ethereal space to cleans, but when it's dirty it makes almost like an old microphonic sound but is under control.
Also, when all my stuff is set up, I have my guitar ran through an old peavy 12 channel mixer, with a 15inch peavy stage monitor, an Acai (?) 10inch speaker with a horn, and my little crate 125watt bass combo amp. At one point I had my two 12inch subs from my car hooked up as well. I called it my "poor man's rig." Used a boss ME-6 multi guitar effects pedalboard. Didn't sound the best, but it was very wide and loud.
The huge reason to put your tuner after your drive section is if you use Boss tuners - like so many - is that it’s always buffered, even when bypassed. Lots of fuzz pedals don’t do so well with it in front.
This is an awesome look at setting up a board for Doom, Sludge, and Drone style metal. For my band, this is my setup: Walrus Audio Missner overdrive, into a Fuzzrocious Demon, into Big Muff Triangle, those go into the front of the amp, then in the effects loop it goes Boss Space Echo, then into a Behringer Reverb, then at the very end i have an EQ pedal for controlling volumes when needed. Funny enough, one of my favorite settings is having the overdrive, Demon, and Big Muff all on at the same time XD It's one hell of a nasty tone. Stacking is fun hehe
@@FuzzlordEffects Someday i hope to give one of yours a go! Knowing what's on my board already, of your lineup, what would you recommend to slide in for doom and sludge sounds? Can be a similar pedal to what i have, more fuzzes means more options XD
Really enjoyed the video man great tip on the tuner I'm bout to go play w my pedal board now! First I'm gonna check out Eric's channel. Subscribed n look forward to more vids. Love from Australia
I play guitar in the Melbourne doom metal band, Ivory Primarch. I use 2 low F# strings on my 8 string guitar. My pedal setup goes something like this... Digitech Freqout feedback pedal > Morley Bad horsie wah > Whammy w/ drop tuning > MXR uni-vibe > EQD Life clone > EHX C9 organ machine > EHX micro POG > Sovtek black russian > EQD acapulco gold > Boss EQ-20 > Boss Reverb > TC Electronics Mimiq overdub > Kustom amp (left) || Orange amp (right)
I've had a couple boutique fuzz pedals, but I always come back to my favorite cheap MOEN MOO fuzz. Super tone and lush sustain. Perfect for sludge/doom, in my opinion. Do my tastes just run cheap, or is there something to this sound? Anybody recommend similar experience with this pedal or a similar sounding fuzz pedal?
Great video! I am currently trying to find the best way to setup my board to work with a Fender Twin Reverb and a Orange Tiny Terror. My band covers alot of different musical genres- folk rock, Psychedelic, blues, funkier stuff, and of course some stoner rock for good measure. The way I have it set up right now is: Guitar>Wah>Tuner>Envelope Filter>Analog Octave Up> ABY box (This where things get weird/difficult) To Fender: Stomp Under Foot Rams Head>EQD Hoof>JHS Calhoun>Coppersound Gravity Bomb>Phaser>Univibe>Echo>Reverb/Tremolo. To Orange: Orange Two Stroke Boost/EQ>Way Huge Aqua Puss
Hey that's my pedalboard! 😂 I recently discovered that stacking fuzz, octaver, fuzz, octaver you get an incredible amount of drone sound! But basically i play with the settings you proposed. Gotta try to switch place at the tuner though! Thanks
Lots of great info for a beginning board builder and great pedals. I'm going to get me one of those Space Echos. I have a Boss TU-2 at the end my chain as well but for the signal boost from the buffer.
I would love to try some doom sounds, so this video is exactly what I need for inspiration. A friend of mine modified a EHX Satisfaction fuzz for me and it is underused by me. And sometimes some high gain doom sounds are just what I need. Thanks!
Loved this vid! My pedal board is as follows: Guitar-EHX Pitchfork- Robo Pedals Marxist - Tuner Effects Loop- Boss HM2 - Phase 90 - EHX Memory Man Deluxe
Great video! I have a sort of "do it all" metal board and am trying to make it a bit more doom friendly. I think the next thing I want to try is to place a boost I front of my fuzz.
my board is: modded small stone > wavefold fuzz > grind/chainsaw fuzz > TC skysurfer reverb > TC Tube Pilot overdrive > ALPHARD AG35 350W solid state amplifier clean channel but everything on 10 to overdrive the solid state amp
Pretty cool concept for a video! I think the best piece of advice from this video was to set the amp to the cleanest desired tone and add the distortion from there. Good stuff!
Yes, knowledge is exactly what I need. Now if I can only get that fuzzlord dude to release a new batch🤔 Clean slate on distortion pedal, none yet. Only have my old BF-2 flanger and OC-2 octave. Thanks for the video 🤘
New batch of which pedal?? Thank you for watching (: I am doing my best to boost production without cutting any corners. Currently I am knocking out about 40-50 pedals a month which is a grueling pace for such a small shop. I will keep bringing on more folks as I find skilled techs! Jason
Fuzzlord Effects Just giving you a hard time, Quality products can’t be rushed. Thankyou for all the good content! DroneMaster or the FU-2 is on my wishlist 👍
Mine goes: Home-built Fuzzdog Sunny T Extreme fuzz; EHX Bad Stone phaser Boss DD3 delay; Boss TR2 tremelo Instead of using a tuner for a mute I have the whole board running through an A/B switch, so I'm either using the board or straight to the amp.
Just started my first pedalboard, and it is of the Doomiest variety. It's pretty simplistic so far, but I've been playing around with these pedals, rearranging the order here and there: EHX Russian Big Muff Pi EHX Pitch Fork Fender Pugilist Distortion (not the biggest fan of it, but the bass boost switch definitely comes in handy...we'll see) Gamechanger Audio Plasma Pedal (High Voltage Distortion Unit) and that thing is deadly, I absolutely love it. Deciding on the right reverb/delay, but most important in my planning now is finding the right Octave pedal. Oh, and I'm using a Squier Paranormal Toronado!
So far: Vintage Boost, Vintage Fuzz, Tight Distortion. I already use a Danelectro Breakdown (Vintage Treble Boost/Fuzz circuit) And Catalinbread Katzenkonig (MK2 ToneBender combined with a Rat). I never realized that I'm already halfway there lol
currently all i have is a black arts pharaoh and a late 70s op amp little big muff. i have the muff first and then the pharaoh and stack the pharaoh on top when i want it to get completely filthy sounding even if the muff already does a pretty good job at that
The video was helpful and entertaining, as always!!!! I use to put my chain like you say! Orange Stroke Booster first and Quantum Mystic after, then all the effects! Pretty helpful, THANKS!!!!
Following your order recommendations, I've set up a wah (Dunlop Crybaby), boost (Black Country Customs TI-Boost), fuzz (Green Russian PI), distortion (Rat 2), tuner (great idea by the way), and delay (Memory Boy) into a Laney LA30BL. Doom heaven, um hell!
Simple is sometimes better. If I was still gigging this board would cover the basics for me. At home now just messing around my board is almost out of hand! Pedals in order, Wah, Fuzz (diy kit Sriracha Fuzz), DOD Fx 55B as overdrive, Boss DS-1 as Distortion, Tuner, Danelectro Tremolo and Chorus, Ibanez flanger, Delay 1 set as slap back, delay 2 long delay. Both delay pedals are DIY kits. Once in awhile I'll throw on my Danelectro Free Speech talk box. Great video! Cheers!
Just building my doom board atm! Enjoying all the doom content from all you channels! Didn’t expect to see a channel crossover haha get Steve R round too! I’d like some kind of rat and rangemaster next in the mix. Boss Fz-2 and a Boss super distortion atm! Great video guys :)
Great vid! I would like to explore more on the FX area within the Stoner/Doom/Sludge. What effects to use and how to apply for those more psycadelic sounds? Phaser? Flanger? Just throwing ideas here. Cheers.
I play since the 90's with a les Paul or flying,with a Marshall 800, 2210, no fuzzes no distorsions pedals,now i play with the same Guitar but with a Marshall 1987x with a rat pedal or lava box pedal. What dos i dos wrong?
I’ve simplified my setup. I used to use a modeler with probably a dozen sounds and it was good....not great though. I’ve realized that when you make an absolutely killer sound with a modeler it sounds great in isolation but with a band it all disappears. So, I picked up an Orange MicroDark. While it isn’t a sound I would have chosen before I realized it’s a sound which has the frequencies needed to cut thru bass and drums. It’s sound doesn’t get buried in the mix-it adds the mids that are so important for guitar. I use a boost (Behringer SF300 in the boost mode-best deal on a great boost plus you get fuzz as well) into a noise gate into the MD fully cranked and it’s amazing. Could you do a pickup shoot out sometime? I’ve mentioned it before but a huge part of my sound is my pickups-Gibson Tony Iommi (He’s your friend) pickups. They sound better than anything else I’ve ever heard. You should really hunt some down and put them in your Doomcaster. If you don’t like them I’ll gladly buy them from you. But that’s not going to happen. I mean, it’s Tony Iommi’s signature set-he’d never steer you wrong.
Hey Matt that is awesome you grabbed a MicroDark! Sounds like that is working well for you with recording! I don't often buy pickups etc but I'll keep an eye out!
Hello from Skellefteå! I like the fact that you instruct people to dial in their clean sound and build on it from there. I use a modified HiFi amp (an old Carver 275) as my amp as it’s a crystal clean Class A amp with ridiculously low THD (in part due to the fact it’s using 12AU7’s in the front end). This is a stereo amp so one can have all kinds of fun with it when using an ABY box (sadly it’s not possible to run the amp channels out of phase with each other as the share the mains but perhaps there’s a pedal that can do that for some extreme stereo guitar fun). Anyway, I truly believe in using the cleanest amp possible with dirt pedals. I also use 12AU7’s in V1 and V2 positions of my old Plexi Super Lead if and when using it for dirt, doom and sludge. I also use a pedal switcher and place a EQ pedal in front of each fuzz or distortion pedal as the Carver doesn’t have any tone shaping control as it was meant to be used with a HiFi EQ. When using my pedal board with my Plexi, I set Presence to 0, Bass to 10, Middle to 0, Treble to 6. I plug my guitars into the bottom input of the High Treble channel and the jump the two channels’ top inputs together. I typically use a Mesa OS bottom cab and an early 80’s Marshall JCM800 1960B cab loaded with G12-65’s; the combo is pretty monstrous although I would like to add a 15” speaker to the setup but I digress.
Before I accepted I was a bassist first, and sold my gear in order to focus on bass, I got an amazing filthy doom sound by stacking a TC electronics rusty fuzz into a joyo ultimate drive (OCD clone).
Question-What makes a good doom Fuzz? Distortion/fuzz like a Rat pedal or Metal Muff or is it more pure/classic fuzz? To start any pedalboard chain with Tony Iommi -you have my attention.
Noobie here but here's my signal chain: EQD arrows->Acapulco Gold->BAT Pharaoh->AE Demon Lung->Lonewolf LHW->EQD Levitation->Afterneath->CR120 dirty channel gain at 1.5 channel volume max.
Interesting to see the tuner and octaver placed after the dirt pedals. Will try that. What about a compressor? Still before the dirt? Also, I use a Way Huge Saucy Box HC (hard clipping) overdrive as a boost but have been placing it after the fuzz/distortion. Maybe an actual dedicated boost pedal is better before all the dirt? Signal chain: Boss TU-2, MXR Dyna Comp (JHS Dyna Ross mod), TC Electronic Sub n Up, Hovercraft Ionostrofear fuzz, Mooer Black Secret (rat; no longer working), Way Huge Saucy Box HC, Catalinbread Dirty Little Secret mkIII, input Loop: send->Boss GE-7, TC Electronic Alter Ego X4, Hardwire Supernatural Ambient verb->return Vox AC30 w/ Greenbacks and Orange PPC2X12 w/ Vintage 30s
I like boost pedals before dirt for sure! I will have to think about the compressor and maybe a great topic for a future video. Thanks for watching, Jason
Black Arts Toneworks Pharaoh Supreme is the fuzz for me. It has tone controls to keep the highs intact and several clipping semiconductor options for infinite sound tweaks. It is also clean and defined enough to work with synths. Big muffs were the standard there for a while and everything was compared to those which is what I did. The pedal choices between now and even the early 2000's has exploded and newest developments hold me back from finishing my pedal setup..still looking for an insane reverb. The newest have tails, shimmers, modulations, etc integrated along with the reverbs. I'm not a pedal freak and have chosen carefully over the years: BAT pharaoh supreme, Boss HM-2, fulltone deja-vibe, malekko 616 delay, ehx grand canyon delay is the current pedal chain fwiw. ( I have an original crybaby and a Mel9 that get added when I need them.) haha, you mention Swedish death metal=HM-2 turned all the way up. I use it mostly for weird tonal control with dist low BUT I can buzzsaw if I want to. Nothing remotely sounds like the HM-2 besides clones of course
Love this video!! My board is a bit different comparative to standard boards for things like doom and sludge - I'm using the Boss MS-3 and 2 different fuzzes (DOD Carcosa and DeviEver Hyperion) and some tricks in the MS-3 with both a boost and Drive setting, like you mention to give some clarity, as well as a BE-OD from Friedman for some super high gain stuff. I'm a huge fan of also using some phase and reverb/delay. I mostly use some tricks to get between different sounds super fast and snappy so I can get some nice textures (Like Elders Reflections of a Floating World album) Excited to see more!!!
Socks, thank you for sharing what is on your board! It is always fun to hear what people are using. THANK YOU for watching and commenting, it really means a lot to me! Jason
Killer video! Thanks so much discussing where best to place a tuner. I think Boss TU-2's and TU-3's have buffers, so as per your very first suggestion, I'll definitely be putting mine last in the chain. Did you ever consider making a video discussing the guitars and pickups you originally used when designing your pedals? I for one would be very interested to learn if you tweaked the circuits for PAF, P90, Super Distortions, Single Coils, or whatever. Doom is pretty Humbucker centric, but I think your pedals are fantastic with Single Coils as well. Cheers dude!
you should do a video like this one where you turn every pedal in one at the time, just for a demostration of all the sounds! my chain starts with a modded cry baby(the stock version sucks donkey balls), ocd clone made by me, modded supercollider fuzz also made by me, korg tuner, small stone phaser and a diy delay, nothing special. I wanna add a freeze in my pedalboard but it's very expensive, i will i could a cheap option
I'm confused why you suggest placing the tuner after the dirt pedals. Wouldn't having the tuner up front allow for the same muting functionality, but with a cleaner signal going to the tuner? Is it because the dirt pedals are producing feedback on their own, without any guitar input?
Very useful and interesting video! I would like to ask if the " tuner/killswitch" method is done in that way in the video just because fuzzes, germanium boosters and distortion don' t like a buffer before them or because in that position the signal shutdown is more effective! I' ve got a quite odd guitar rig( wah and analog delay in front of the crunchy amp) and i was asking myself in which placement the tuner will do that better, thank you!
Yes and yes. After the fuzz to keep the buffer out of the way. Also, after the fuzzes and dirt for a true mute. Sometimes when you have a few high gain pedals on, they will still be making amp feedback when you hit the tuner as a mute (; Thank you for watching, Jason
Why the tuner after the chain? I use it for a mute before the chain as well. It controls all the crazy feedback as well. Not understanding how there is an advantage....
![เปิด อาณาจักร หมื่นล้าน "สาระตั้ม" l [Nickynachat]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3XE0nPF4YkQ/mqdefault.jpg)
for a doom metal pedal board you could just use a big muff (as the pedal board) and tape a tuner on to it
That would be badass!
Thanks for watching,
Jason
That would be badass!
Thanks for watching,
Jason
🤣Right!!!
Small detail: GERMANIUM Big Muff))
😂😂
Thanks for having me over, Jason! I had a blast filming with you!
Thank you Eric! I do hope to work with you more soon and keep teaming up on rad videos like this that are helpful/informative to musicians!
U guys seem like the nicest dudes in the universe
Thank you!
Jason
Stoners are
If listening to a band like Weedeater has taught me anything it's that there is no such thing as too much fuzz. So I think the pedalbard needs at least two or three more fuzz pedals.
I approve of this message hahaha
You’re the “Chords of Orion” of doom. Subsribed
Thank you for watching, and I will have to look up Chords of Orion!
Cheers Jim!
Jason
th-cam.com/video/mpjqIPAHP8U/w-d-xo.html
@@FuzzlordEffects CoO is great - fantastic music and gear stuff from a great guy.
CoO = Bob Ross + Ser Davos.
True! So true!! Lol!! They should team up and make Ambient Doom Metal.
I recommend two big muffs into each other, one as a rhythm muff and one as a “lead boost” channel muff.
That must be fat as hell
Think I've watched this 5-6 times already and I keep coming up with new ideas for my board! Thanks Jason. Looking forward to your future builds and projects.
Cheers Adam glad it’s been helpful!!!!! Tag the page in a photo of your board sometime on IG 🔮
In the 60s/70s/80s, delays and reverb usually drove the front of an amp. Effects loops were usually parallel or non-existent. This is key (rvb/dly>overdrive>amp) if you want an authentic stoner sound that has become pretty uncommon these days. It's perfect for drony, slow riffs, as well as my bloody valentine/ sigur ros style washes. It's an effect that forces you to play a certain way and I love the way it sounds! Love this channel, too! Keep it up! 🤘🤘
As a synth player, to me it seems pedalboards are like building a modular synth rack.
Totally! I bet it would be fun to try synth stuff for guitar and vice versa. Thanks for watching!
if you put a digitakt in the flow and synch everything it can get as wild
All too right... Have a look at my setup above ^^^
I use distortion, fuzz, reverb, delay.. But, I also use an EQ. I think EQ is way too underrated for getting a sound nice and deep. I actually use two EQ pedals, that way I can get two different settings or double them up.
Before or after fuzz?
First pedal says FUZZ, second pedal says FUZZ, third pedal says FUZZ... nothing wrong with that.
Fuzz Life
~Jason
I think you need at least 8 fuzz pedals...
Don’t forget to add at least four maybe five Wah’s and a Vintage overdrive of choice...
@@DARTHMOBIUS it would be amazing
Great video, guys! Excellent tips as always. Really enjoyed watching!!
Thank you Steve!
can you please do a video for Sludge metal pedalboard too?? For sound like Down, etc
urban_savage__ Randall amps
So I'm actually really proud of the way i have my amp and pedalboard setup so I wanted to offer my insights into my thought process behind the setup. The pedal chain goes like this Guitar -> Chromatic Tuner Tu-3 BYPASS OUT -> INPUT NS-2 noise suppressor SEND -> Famicomp Fuzz/Compressor -> Input Randall RX120D Send -> MT-2 Metalzone -> Behringer Ultra Chorus -> RETURN NS-2 OUTPUT -> Solidgold Electroman Delay -> EHX Cathedral -> Return Amplifier. My board is powered by an isolated power supply. I have spent many hours tinkering with all the possible combinations I could put this board in and have settled on this as my mainstay. My logic primarly is I want the NS-2 to include the entire pre amp chain inside of it's own loop for noise supression purposes. This allows me to put my time effects outside the suppressor just before the signal goes to the return on the amplifer which serves as the power amp in. My famicomp is my secondary fuzz distortion, the metalzone is my high gain clarity distortion these two dont sound good together so i use one or the other. The famicomp doubles as a compressor and is designed to go at the beginning of the signal for the fuzz effect this allows me to cleanup the overloud parts of my playing and bring up the pitch harmonics and tapping so they are more audible. The ns-2 in spite of the bad rap it gets is instrumental to keeping all these effects clean and my amp from feedbacking. it also serves as my mute pedal. The chromatic tuner is bypassed and is on all the time it cannot mute. The metalzone also gets a bad rap but it is actually a really good high gain distortion. It is designed to go inside of the effects loop of your amp after the preamp section but before the time based effects this is where i feel the pedal really shines as it really gives a full heavy distortion sound. putting this pedal in front of the preamp is awful, wonky, inconsistent and feedbacky and is the reason why many people hate the pedal. Sorry for the long winded comment. Many of my effects are on the cheap side I think my most expensive pedal is either the famicomp or the cathedral. You would be surprised how much mileage you can get out of cheaper common effects pedals.
Re: clean... don't neglect the guitars volume knob (and tone) that you can dial in all kinds of flavors.
Especially when using fuzzes. Fuzzes sound better with the guitar volume rolled off a bit.
Very cool! Following generally the same order but adding a looper pedal at the very end to layer deeper and heavier!
I play bass, and I put my chorus and echo before my dirt pedals. I've noticed that the effects blend together better that way. If I put the echo after distortion, there's too much distinction; the distortion sounds too separate from the echo, and the echo is dynamic-independent (i.e. slapping back all the time). If I put the echo before distortion, they blend together better and the echo becomes dynamic-dependent, so I can get a general reverb sound most of the time and trigger the slapback where it has the most effect.
For example, sliding my fingers on the strings triggers it, or palm muting in the right places. You can hear what I'm talking about in this song: th-cam.com/video/QX0sJ2B7OMU/w-d-xo.html
You don't hear the slapback anywhere else except the slides. It also colors the distortion in an interesting way that I wouldn't get putting the echo after distortion.
Pete Thorn did a video about the difference pedal order makes: th-cam.com/video/sTIHC86sDZo/w-d-xo.html
He uses Van Halen as his example. I used to wonder the same thing about EVH's sound; how he could go from a general reverb sound to a slapback sound just from a riff change.
I also put my chorus before my echo; I haven't tried echo before chorus yet because I'm happy with the way it sounds now, but I just might try switching them.
Great vid. My only thing is I wish you would have played with the board more. Switching between effects and showing the different tones. Overall I really enjoyed the video, great job.
Good point! Will do another ASAP with less talking and more fuzzin!
I’ve got an Orange or15 with an EQD Black Ash fuzz, EQD Speaker Cranker, a RAT clone built by my friend Eric from Strange Effects, and Dunable’s Complete Distorter all running into the front. I’ve got the amp’s gain at roughly 10 o’clock. In the effects loop I’ve got OBNE Dweller, EHX Memory Man w/ Hazarai, Source Audio Ventris, and OBNE Darkstar. The sonic palette is great.
Latest setup for gigs = guitar>overdrive boss sd1> input of amp1 Peavey deuce vt>preamp out> 7 band eq boss ge7> stereo effect Mimiq Doubler>> dry amp1 return/effect amp2 return. Both amps are Peavey Deuce VT converted to head units.
At home the setup changes by the hour. I'm always fucking with shit. Sometimes I feel less is more while other times more is more. Great video. I've been playing with stacking overdrives and boost into distortion pedals. You definitely have me some clues as to why my fuzz pedals sound squished to me. I'll have to play around some more.
Thanks for sharing your setup, and yeah the fuzz takes awhile to get used to! Be sure it is up front in chain an embrace the loosey goosey fuzz tone (:
Jason
Thank you ..Fuzzlord..I get to learn something new every time I dial in to your videos..!!
Thank you so much for sharing that. Let’s me know that the videos are on the right track. Cheers!
Bro... you are so much more comfortable in front of a camera these days.
Always cool to see someone improve at something so dramatically.
100 videos to practice haha cheers!
I have 2 reverbs on my board. One set to a short setting and one set to medium. Give a really ethereal space to cleans, but when it's dirty it makes almost like an old microphonic sound but is under control.
Also, when all my stuff is set up, I have my guitar ran through an old peavy 12 channel mixer, with a 15inch peavy stage monitor, an Acai (?) 10inch speaker with a horn, and my little crate 125watt bass combo amp. At one point I had my two 12inch subs from my car hooked up as well. I called it my "poor man's rig."
Used a boss ME-6 multi guitar effects pedalboard. Didn't sound the best, but it was very wide and loud.
Jason is the Bob Ross of pedalboards. Love it, thank you!
The huge reason to put your tuner after your drive section is if you use Boss tuners - like so many - is that it’s always buffered, even when bypassed. Lots of fuzz pedals don’t do so well with it in front.
Ah great point!
I use a Morley Mini Volume after my "dirt" pedals which I use as a "mute" and (obviously) for "swells".
Great idea! I am sure some people will try that out now that you have posted this!
Jason
This is an awesome look at setting up a board for Doom, Sludge, and Drone style metal. For my band, this is my setup: Walrus Audio Missner overdrive, into a Fuzzrocious Demon, into Big Muff Triangle, those go into the front of the amp, then in the effects loop it goes Boss Space Echo, then into a Behringer Reverb, then at the very end i have an EQ pedal for controlling volumes when needed. Funny enough, one of my favorite settings is having the overdrive, Demon, and Big Muff all on at the same time XD It's one hell of a nasty tone. Stacking is fun hehe
Badass pedals!
@@FuzzlordEffects Someday i hope to give one of yours a go! Knowing what's on my board already, of your lineup, what would you recommend to slide in for doom and sludge sounds? Can be a similar pedal to what i have, more fuzzes means more options XD
Really enjoyed the video man great tip on the tuner I'm bout to go play w my pedal board now! First I'm gonna check out Eric's channel. Subscribed n look forward to more vids. Love from Australia
Thank you for watching Phil and so glad your heading over to Eric's channel also!
Jason
The tuner placement is interesting!! I’ll try that when I wake up this evening from my long night of watching your videos at work lol!
Badass!
I play guitar in the Melbourne doom metal band, Ivory Primarch. I use 2 low F# strings on my 8 string guitar.
My pedal setup goes something like this...
Digitech Freqout feedback pedal > Morley Bad horsie wah > Whammy w/ drop tuning > MXR uni-vibe > EQD Life clone > EHX C9 organ machine > EHX micro POG > Sovtek black russian > EQD acapulco gold > Boss EQ-20 > Boss Reverb > TC Electronics Mimiq overdub > Kustom amp (left) || Orange amp (right)
Thanks for the tuner tip! Definitely going to try that!
Stoked it was helpful!
Cheers,
Jason
I've had a couple boutique fuzz pedals, but I always come back to my favorite cheap MOEN MOO fuzz. Super tone and lush sustain. Perfect for sludge/doom, in my opinion. Do my tastes just run cheap, or is there something to this sound? Anybody recommend similar experience with this pedal or a similar sounding fuzz pedal?
Great video! I am currently trying to find the best way to setup my board to work with a Fender Twin Reverb and a Orange Tiny Terror. My band covers alot of different musical genres- folk rock, Psychedelic, blues, funkier stuff, and of course some stoner rock for good measure. The way I have it set up right now is: Guitar>Wah>Tuner>Envelope Filter>Analog Octave Up> ABY box (This where things get weird/difficult) To Fender: Stomp Under Foot Rams Head>EQD Hoof>JHS Calhoun>Coppersound Gravity Bomb>Phaser>Univibe>Echo>Reverb/Tremolo. To Orange: Orange Two Stroke Boost/EQ>Way Huge Aqua Puss
Hey that's my pedalboard! 😂 I recently discovered that stacking fuzz, octaver, fuzz, octaver you get an incredible amount of drone sound! But basically i play with the settings you proposed. Gotta try to switch place at the tuner though! Thanks
Dude. I saw monolord last night. Fucking insane. My ears are still ringing.
I bet! Hope he was using the FU-2 I sent him (:
Jason
Fuzzlord Effects I’m sure he was. Sounded like it. Wish I could get one of those pedals
Lots of great info for a beginning board builder and great pedals. I'm going to get me one of those Space Echos. I have a Boss TU-2 at the end my chain as well but for the signal boost from the buffer.
I would love to try some doom sounds, so this video is exactly what I need for inspiration. A friend of mine modified a EHX Satisfaction fuzz for me and it is underused by me. And sometimes some high gain doom sounds are just what I need. Thanks!
So glad to hear that! Thanks for watching and have fun playing!
Jason
Great breakdown on the Rubik's cube of sound bro. Thank you FuzzLord 🤙
PJ thank you for watching!!!!!! I really hoped this would be helpful somehow.
Jason
Loved this vid! My pedal board is as follows:
Guitar-EHX Pitchfork- Robo Pedals Marxist - Tuner
Effects Loop- Boss HM2 - Phase 90 - EHX Memory Man Deluxe
I love this! It reminds me of a doom style Sesame Street how-to segment.
Great video! I have a sort of "do it all" metal board and am trying to make it a bit more doom friendly. I think the next thing I want to try is to place a boost I front of my fuzz.
Boost that fuzz and fuzz that boost!
Thanks for watching,
Jason
@@FuzzlordEffects Will do! I have a RAT on the way, so now I'll have to tinker with my Tubescreamer, fuzz, and RAT order!
my board is:
modded small stone > wavefold fuzz > grind/chainsaw fuzz > TC skysurfer reverb > TC Tube Pilot overdrive > ALPHARD AG35 350W solid state amplifier clean channel but everything on 10 to overdrive the solid state amp
Pretty cool concept for a video! I think the best piece of advice from this video was to set the amp to the cleanest desired tone and add the distortion from there. Good stuff!
Yes, knowledge is exactly what I need.
Now if I can only get that fuzzlord dude to release a new batch🤔
Clean slate on distortion pedal, none yet. Only have my old BF-2 flanger and OC-2 octave.
Thanks for the video 🤘
New batch of which pedal?? Thank you for watching (: I am doing my best to boost production without cutting any corners. Currently I am knocking out about 40-50 pedals a month which is a grueling pace for such a small shop. I will keep bringing on more folks as I find skilled techs!
Jason
Fuzzlord Effects Just giving you a hard time, Quality products can’t be rushed. Thankyou for all the good content!
DroneMaster or the FU-2 is on my wishlist 👍
As a drummer who just picked up the guitar , Thank you!!
No problem!
Mine goes:
Home-built Fuzzdog Sunny T Extreme fuzz;
EHX Bad Stone phaser
Boss DD3 delay;
Boss TR2 tremelo
Instead of using a tuner for a mute I have the whole board running through an A/B switch, so I'm either using the board or straight to the amp.
Nice setup!
Nice shirt. Marco makes some killer cabs that I hope to own some day.
Just started my first pedalboard, and it is of the Doomiest variety.
It's pretty simplistic so far, but I've been playing around with these pedals, rearranging the order here and there:
EHX Russian Big Muff Pi
EHX Pitch Fork
Fender Pugilist Distortion (not the biggest fan of it, but the bass boost switch definitely comes in handy...we'll see)
Gamechanger Audio Plasma Pedal (High Voltage Distortion Unit) and that thing is deadly, I absolutely love it.
Deciding on the right reverb/delay, but most important in my planning now is finding the right Octave pedal.
Oh, and I'm using a Squier Paranormal Toronado!
I'm using a bunch of pedal mix and match order. nice show .
So far: Vintage Boost, Vintage Fuzz, Tight Distortion. I already use a Danelectro Breakdown (Vintage Treble Boost/Fuzz circuit) And Catalinbread Katzenkonig (MK2 ToneBender combined with a Rat). I never realized that I'm already halfway there lol
currently all i have is a black arts pharaoh and a late 70s op amp little big muff. i have the muff first and then the pharaoh and stack the pharaoh on top when i want it to get completely filthy sounding even if the muff already does a pretty good job at that
Muff is a beast of a pedal and so classic!
Jason
This is awesome! Can you please make more Troglodytes!!! I must have it! 👍🏽
February 2020
It's like watching a cooking show... Cooking for fuckin' tone!
Hahahahhaha!
The video was helpful and entertaining, as always!!!! I use to put my chain like you say! Orange Stroke Booster first and Quantum Mystic after, then all the effects! Pretty helpful, THANKS!!!!
Thank you so much for watching and commenting! It really means a lot to me. Quantum Mystic a very cool pedal!
Jason
I have a Vox wah, a boss overdrive to boost my Big Muff, a chorus, and a Phase 90
Nice!
Fuzzlord Effects thanks so much!!
“A lot of people find new sounds by putting things where they shouldn’t go.” Noted
Have fun with that tip 😂
Trying to learn how to set up a pedal board that was a great breakdown thanx
Following your order recommendations, I've set up a wah (Dunlop Crybaby), boost (Black Country Customs TI-Boost), fuzz (Green Russian PI), distortion (Rat 2), tuner (great idea by the way), and delay (Memory Boy) into a Laney LA30BL. Doom heaven, um hell!
I've neglected my love of doom with my gear lately. I need to remedy that
Simple is sometimes better. If I was still gigging this board would cover the basics for me. At home now just messing around my board is almost out of hand! Pedals in order, Wah, Fuzz (diy kit Sriracha Fuzz), DOD Fx 55B as overdrive, Boss DS-1 as Distortion, Tuner, Danelectro Tremolo and Chorus, Ibanez flanger, Delay 1 set as slap back, delay 2 long delay. Both delay pedals are DIY kits. Once in awhile I'll throw on my Danelectro Free Speech talk box. Great video! Cheers!
Keeping it simple always works works (: That is a rad signal chain you have going!
Jason
Just building my doom board atm! Enjoying all the doom content from all you channels! Didn’t expect to see a channel crossover haha get Steve R round too! I’d like some kind of rat and rangemaster next in the mix. Boss Fz-2 and a Boss super distortion atm! Great video guys :)
Great vid! I would like to explore more on the FX area within the Stoner/Doom/Sludge. What effects to use and how to apply for those more psycadelic sounds? Phaser? Flanger? Just throwing ideas here. Cheers.
I play since the 90's with a les Paul or flying,with a Marshall 800, 2210, no fuzzes no distorsions pedals,now i play with the same Guitar but with a Marshall 1987x with a rat pedal or lava box pedal.
What dos i dos wrong?
Sounds like a badass setup to me!
Thanks for the killer tips. Now I need a tuner pedal. Lol
Its such a gamechanger
I’ve simplified my setup. I used to use a modeler with probably a dozen sounds and it was good....not great though. I’ve realized that when you make an absolutely killer sound with a modeler it sounds great in isolation but with a band it all disappears. So, I picked up an Orange MicroDark. While it isn’t a sound I would have chosen before I realized it’s a sound which has the frequencies needed to cut thru bass and drums. It’s sound doesn’t get buried in the mix-it adds the mids that are so important for guitar.
I use a boost (Behringer SF300 in the boost mode-best deal on a great boost plus you get fuzz as well) into a noise gate into the MD fully cranked and it’s amazing.
Could you do a pickup shoot out sometime? I’ve mentioned it before but a huge part of my sound is my pickups-Gibson Tony Iommi (He’s your friend) pickups. They sound better than anything else I’ve ever heard. You should really hunt some down and put them in your Doomcaster. If you don’t like them I’ll gladly buy them from you.
But that’s not going to happen. I mean, it’s Tony Iommi’s signature set-he’d never steer you wrong.
Hey Matt that is awesome you grabbed a MicroDark! Sounds like that is working well for you with recording! I don't often buy pickups etc but I'll keep an eye out!
Pog behind a fuzz always soung good. Dual octave too.
Legit video I've been looking for! This is great! Thank you.
Thanks James!
That supro sounds KILLER
It does! Check out Eric's channel, he is doing a giveaway with that model guitar right or left handed!
Thanks for watching,
Jason
Weird that the doom people have the charisma of QVC salespeople
Just people (:
Hello from Skellefteå! I like the fact that you instruct people to dial in their clean sound and build on it from there. I use a modified HiFi amp (an old Carver 275) as my amp as it’s a crystal clean Class A amp with ridiculously low THD (in part due to the fact it’s using 12AU7’s in the front end). This is a stereo amp so one can have all kinds of fun with it when using an ABY box (sadly it’s not possible to run the amp channels out of phase with each other as the share the mains but perhaps there’s a pedal that can do that for some extreme stereo guitar fun). Anyway, I truly believe in using the cleanest amp possible with dirt pedals. I also use 12AU7’s in V1 and V2 positions of my old Plexi Super Lead if and when using it for dirt, doom and sludge. I also use a pedal switcher and place a EQ pedal in front of each fuzz or distortion pedal as the Carver doesn’t have any tone shaping control as it was meant to be used with a HiFi EQ. When using my pedal board with my Plexi, I set Presence to 0, Bass to 10, Middle to 0, Treble to 6. I plug my guitars into the bottom input of the High Treble channel and the jump the two channels’ top inputs together. I typically use a Mesa OS bottom cab and an early 80’s Marshall JCM800 1960B cab loaded with G12-65’s; the combo is pretty monstrous although I would like to add a 15” speaker to the setup but I digress.
SO cool you have a hifi amp for guitar! I bet that works amazing with pedals! Thanks for watching Kenny!
Before I accepted I was a bassist first, and sold my gear in order to focus on bass, I got an amazing filthy doom sound by stacking a TC electronics rusty fuzz into a joyo ultimate drive (OCD clone).
EHX pitchfork and big muff
is it possible to take a 30 watt verb and boost it with and orange crush 120 watt
Question-What makes a good doom Fuzz? Distortion/fuzz like a Rat pedal or Metal Muff or is it more pure/classic fuzz?
To start any pedalboard chain with Tony Iommi -you have my attention.
Some of the newer stuff like Fuzzlord produces accounts for very low tunings and doesn’t strip the guitar of that low end.
This is awesome. Thanks a million brother.
Thank you and thanks for watching!
Jason
I use daisy chains specifically because they introduce noise to other pedals.
I use a Russian green muff but I don't strictly play doom. nice video and pretty informative
Thanks for watching!
Noobie here but here's my signal chain:
EQD arrows->Acapulco Gold->BAT Pharaoh->AE Demon Lung->Lonewolf LHW->EQD Levitation->Afterneath->CR120 dirty channel gain at 1.5 channel volume max.
Those earthquakers are so addicting, my Acapulco is just amazing
@@BTD7REAL oh yeah, it's amazing
This guy reminds me of the Singer from Clutch.
Thank you!
Jason
Interesting to see the tuner and octaver placed after the dirt pedals. Will try that. What about a compressor? Still before the dirt? Also, I use a Way Huge Saucy Box HC (hard clipping) overdrive as a boost but have been placing it after the fuzz/distortion. Maybe an actual dedicated boost pedal is better before all the dirt?
Signal chain: Boss TU-2, MXR Dyna Comp (JHS Dyna Ross mod), TC Electronic Sub n Up, Hovercraft Ionostrofear fuzz, Mooer Black Secret (rat; no longer working), Way Huge Saucy Box HC, Catalinbread Dirty Little Secret mkIII, input
Loop: send->Boss GE-7, TC Electronic Alter Ego X4, Hardwire Supernatural Ambient verb->return
Vox AC30 w/ Greenbacks and Orange PPC2X12 w/ Vintage 30s
I like boost pedals before dirt for sure! I will have to think about the compressor and maybe a great topic for a future video.
Thanks for watching,
Jason
Black Arts Toneworks Pharaoh Supreme is the fuzz for me. It has tone controls to keep the highs intact and several clipping semiconductor options for infinite sound tweaks. It is also clean and defined enough to work with synths. Big muffs were the standard there for a while and everything was compared to those which is what I did. The pedal choices between now and even the early 2000's has exploded and newest developments hold me back from finishing my pedal setup..still looking for an insane reverb. The newest have tails, shimmers, modulations, etc integrated along with the reverbs. I'm not a pedal freak and have chosen carefully over the years: BAT pharaoh supreme, Boss HM-2, fulltone deja-vibe, malekko 616 delay, ehx grand canyon delay is the current pedal chain fwiw. ( I have an original crybaby and a Mel9 that get added when I need them.) haha, you mention Swedish death metal=HM-2 turned all the way up. I use it mostly for weird tonal control with dist low BUT I can buzzsaw if I want to. Nothing remotely sounds like the HM-2 besides clones of course
Tubescreamer into Orange OR100 with some reverb, delay rotary tremolo/chorus available. Tuner and Volume pedal in front.
Wah - Fuzz - more Wah - more Fuzz and fuzz with delay 🤣🤣
Cheers!
(6:20) THE HOLY GRAIL IS HERE! Thank you very much.
Love this video!! My board is a bit different comparative to standard boards for things like doom and sludge - I'm using the Boss MS-3 and 2 different fuzzes (DOD Carcosa and DeviEver Hyperion) and some tricks in the MS-3 with both a boost and Drive setting, like you mention to give some clarity, as well as a BE-OD from Friedman for some super high gain stuff. I'm a huge fan of also using some phase and reverb/delay. I mostly use some tricks to get between different sounds super fast and snappy so I can get some nice textures (Like Elders Reflections of a Floating World album)
Excited to see more!!!
Socks, thank you for sharing what is on your board! It is always fun to hear what people are using. THANK YOU for watching and commenting, it really means a lot to me!
Jason
Awesome! The exact video I was wanting. Thanks bud
Thank you for watching!
Jason
Killer video! Thanks so much discussing where best to place a tuner. I think Boss TU-2's and TU-3's have buffers, so as per your very first suggestion, I'll definitely be putting mine last in the chain.
Did you ever consider making a video discussing the guitars and pickups you originally used when designing your pedals? I for one would be very interested to learn if you tweaked the circuits for PAF, P90, Super Distortions, Single Coils, or whatever. Doom is pretty Humbucker centric, but I think your pedals are fantastic with Single Coils as well.
Cheers dude!
So happy this was helpful Max!
Thanks for watching,
Jason
Fuzz really is the best
Cheers!
Im currently using one, the swamp lord. Its all in one pedal.
First thing in my signal chain is a 4 foot purple glass bong + half oz. of sativa flowers and hash
cheers!
Always been a fan of HIM guitar tone. Not exactly doom metal but man that pharaoh fuzz pedal is awesome
Pharaoh is awesome for sure thanks for watching!
Earthquaker Devices Dispatch Master for reverb and delay. Pedal is awesome, $225 new.
you should do a video like this one where you turn every pedal in one at the time, just for a demostration of all the sounds! my chain starts with a modded cry baby(the stock version sucks donkey balls), ocd clone made by me, modded supercollider fuzz also made by me, korg tuner, small stone phaser and a diy delay, nothing special. I wanna add a freeze in my pedalboard but it's very expensive, i will i could a cheap option
Deal! This dude....abides (: THat sounds like a badass setup, thank you for sharing with us and I really appreciate you watching and commenting.
Jason
Keep it FUZZY!
will do!
I'm confused why you suggest placing the tuner after the dirt pedals. Wouldn't having the tuner up front allow for the same muting functionality, but with a cleaner signal going to the tuner? Is it because the dirt pedals are producing feedback on their own, without any guitar input?
@@FuzzlordEffects Interesting! Great video!
Always have used the tuna pedal as a mute! I put my pitch fork before everything. Then I can dirty up the synthetic sound of it. Cheers guys!
But Jason where would i put my Dunlop bass wah
Very useful and interesting video! I would like to ask if the " tuner/killswitch" method is done in that way in the video just because fuzzes, germanium boosters and distortion don' t like a buffer before them or because in that position the signal shutdown is more effective! I' ve got a quite odd guitar rig( wah and analog delay in front of the crunchy amp) and i was asking myself in which placement the tuner will do that better, thank you!
Yes and yes. After the fuzz to keep the buffer out of the way. Also, after the fuzzes and dirt for a true mute. Sometimes when you have a few high gain pedals on, they will still be making amp feedback when you hit the tuner as a mute (;
Thank you for watching,
Jason
Why the tuner after the chain? I use it for a mute before the chain as well. It controls all the crazy feedback as well. Not understanding how there is an advantage....
A lot of folks get the feedback and noise when they don’t. So if that works for you that’s awesome!
@@FuzzlordEffects Thanks! Also, great tutorial. Much obliged.
Sounds great! I love your content.
Thank you so much Will!