I like the look of his knives, pretty badass. But I'll never own one because of the guy behind them. Don't care about his problems with the law I'd be able to see past that without issue but pretending to be one of the heroes that put their life on the line for the rest of us is disgusting. Especially after all the blood, sweat and tears shed over the last decade plus of war, just plain not okay in my books. There are too many great guys making great knives out there to give any of my money to an honor thief, no matter how much I like the look of his products.
I don't think much of strider knives, but it's different reasons than most. They don't seem very good QC, or fit and finish, which is unacceptable for a knife that costs 400 dollars. There are plenty of much cheaper knives with all the same materials, etc. as a Strider, and are just as solid, and I really don't think Mick Strider could pull off these prices if it weren't for his military contracts.
Stolen Valor! Listen i understand you like his knives and it might have you looking past his "Stolen Valor". For anyone that has served its a big deal...... He knew exactly what he was doing he wasn't telling stories of a bygone era or dreams he wish came true. Dude straight up lied to give street cred. to his knife designs. Its how he advertised his knife when he first came on the scene. If you don't care about it.. its kool but to play it off like he was some innocent kid just trying to get a cookie and got caught by grandma is just wrong. When it comes to the military give aways thats great! Just seem to come around that time his military history was taking a hit. Now in his true of hearts he could have been really trying to help, but if you really don't think there is a benefit in giving product to the military.....Just look into Glock's story ....You think they practically gave police units there pistols because in their heart of hearts wanted to help them out?? Your a smart dude you know how it works. Anything that is seen used by Military or Police is automatically wanted by the masses. It gives their products legitimacy. Do i shy away from buying a Strider because of Mick "Stolen Valor" Strider history ...NO not anymore than i would stop watching Braveheart because Mel's water taste Jewish!!! lol He's a dirtbag but he has some cool ass knives. Although i have always held that his knives are over priced. $500.00 for a knife completely made on a machine only hand work is putting those parts together. For that i'd lay down the extra $50 and get one of Medford's TFF-1s. Look its been said below everyone has made mistakes and boy is that true but his is a big ass one that he repeated over and over for personal gain and he did it on the backs of true warriors>>>> Strider Knifes kick ass , Ole MICKY boy well he's a Jack-hole that pretended to be a badass when he really was a E-1 that couldn't handle his military service! Rook Out! Merica-F#ck YA!!
strider makes some pretty awesome knives...lying about his service was pretty stupid move and since he has fessed up some folks will forgive that...however I wont be buying any strider products..
He's a BS's con man. Most have admitted the the con man that gets them seems like a nice guy. His lies got him money coming in to make a jump ahead of the honest knife maker. His PR is self serving.
I appreciate that. I also just bought a new SNG to honor his actions. My words from my past military have at times benefitted from doubt. I was a common USAF grunt injured in service honestly. Flightline noise destroyed my hearing, and a bad ly loaded trailer of munitions destroyed my leg legs and knee. I honor all those who walk the alk. Thats a lot harder than talking about it.
There are too many excellent knife makers out there I can buy from for me to be willing to buy from someone willing to sell his honor. Many people here say "Who cares what he did in the past, his knives are great." I believe that character counts for something. When it comes to me spending my hard earned money, it counts for a lot, actually. A man who lied to suit his needs once will do so again, and that is not someone I trust my money to go to.
Thanks for watching! I have only ever seen the arctic gray as a knifeart exclusive, so that's where I would keep my eyes peeled. They don't do this color as a regular production so you kind of just need to watch and jump on it when you see one.
500 words is short to sum up Mick. I've seen him do great things for people, and I've seen him intentionally screw people over just because he felt like it. Unfortunately it seems I see far more of the latter than the former. Similarly his background, and Mr. Dwyer's backgrounds, which they HEAVILY traded on when selling knives, are BOTH fabrications. That doesn't mean he doesn't make a decent knife, but his erratic customer service and lack of integrity are major concerns given the warranty.
Steve Jobs was one of the most arrogant, asshat, pricks to ever walk the planet. He treated people like shit and karma caught up with him. I still have a gay ass iPhone. Striders rock.
I agree buying American for "personal" reasons makes no sense, but at least in some industries, you still get a quality advantage and its simpler to just say "buy American" than to have to look at every single brand or individual product. American cars have never been that great, though they are improving. In a lot of other industries (like knives), it's a very different story.
So Mick changed his name from Burger to Strider because of threats on his family, and then publicly announces the name change, uses it to start a knife company, with himself as the front person? Please. Burger Knives, does not sound as good as Strider Knives, so he changed it. You are talking about a guy who wanted to become an army war hero, but that is afraid of internet threats and trolls? I don't think so. The guy makes an awesome looking, tough, yet useless-for-cutting-folding-prybar, and I congratulate him on his success. But he took the shady way of getting there. Most publicity is good publicity I guess.
Funny how real heros never talk about it. Fakers want to tell you everything. I do really like Strider knives. He also provides jobs for a shit ton of veterans in his shop, and from what I hear treats them very well. People make mistakes. People do dumb things but everyone deserves a second chance in life. None of us should be condemned for our past if we are making an honest approach and making it right and paying it forward.
3 months in military, car jacked people and stolen valor i wouldn't from strider even if you payed me. People with no sense of honor will still patronize him.
Totally Agree! The SNG is the ultimate folding knife. The design and shape are really the kickers. Like you said in the video; it may not look like it but it's the perfect shape for the hand. In particular the SNG (vs. SMF) is the perfect size for the pocket. It's even light and small enough for the shoulder pocket or chest pocket. I prefer the tiger stripe, lego G-10, non-CC/DGG like the ones in your video. Strider Inc. may have "closed" but Mick Strider custom is still making these!
those were very kind words, Carter...its amazing how fast rumours get started, and its usually the bad ones that stick to a person whether they're true or not. thanks Carter.
Sorry Carter - I have to disagree here. Based on my own personal experience with Mick Strider in the USN Strider forum I've found him to be lacking in character. I don't he's remorseful over the lies he's put out there and I'm sure he spends a lot in tax deductible business write offs to be seen as someone who supports our troops. I'll be selling the one SnG I own based on my interaction with him and his well deserved negative reputation.
Don't worry guys, he only fabricated his entire background and stole the valour of fallen soldiers to sell knives. He only took the names of 2 dead soldiers Shugart and Gordon, and printed their initials on his blades to promote his tactical blades after they already died and had no knowledge of this. It's all good, we all steal the valour of soldiers and steal their glory, and use dead soldiers who he never served with to sell our knives. The last knife I sold I promoted my work as a commando, and printed the name of dead soldiers on my blade, it's just the knife game bro don't worry. It's not bad, I also car jacked a civilian at gun point and pretended it was a black ops mission, then sold a crate of knives. I also give my knives to soldiers for free so they can pose for photo shoots with my blades on the front lines, free publicity bro it's the game don't be a hater guys.
The thing about the Japan and Tawian that makes them more expensive is the advanced tooling and manufacturing process that they have. Sal said himself that if they made the Sage series in the US it would be 50 to 70 $ more expensive than now. It`s a bit more complicated than that, and yes they are out to make money, after all its a buisness, and not charity.
it is good to know more about the people in background but at the end of the day the quality of they product's is more important that some wrong things that happened in the past nobody's perfect but the product's can be near perfect. Thank you for sharing.
I agree with that. Totally believe in free trade, etc. Thing you have to realize though, is that economically speaking, value is subjective. The fact that some value that "USA" marking on their item may not seem particularly rational, but it's not inconsistent with free markets or capitalism. It's just another thing that certain people pay attention to, the same way others pay attention to brand or design or material quality.
I respectfully disagree with you here. 1. Personally I think Striders are one of the most overpriced knives in the business. Or at least were for a decade, before the new lock-geometry. Never understood and still don't why people spent half a grand on a production folder that developed lock-rock within no-time (and came not even sharp). 2. I'm more on team NeptuneKnives - I think Mick Strider is a disgusting lying backstabber (can not even stand in Sal Glesser's shadow).
I trained over 15 years ago with a Spyderco against a Buck 110 striking the side of a jacket and we also set up a hook. Moving in and striking with the side of the blade trying to make each one catch the Buck 110 was always in my hand when moving back out in a in and out type drill mimiking how you might strike. The Spyderco hung up at times and when caught on the hook it was snatched right out of my hand. I knew back the these Striders wer'nt good fighting knives. Now a days guns is everything so knife fighting really is a lost art so its easy for people to fake about it since there nobody to call them out on it like i am now. I like James Keating just fine but i remember laughing at the Spyderco Chinook back then too but whatever. Peace
"Judge a man by the products he sells, not by his character and morals" Damn if that isn't the worst advice i've ever heard. Imagine if we actually lived by that teaching, it doesn't matter if somebody is a pedo or a serial rapist, or commited genocide, as long as he makes a nice product. Seriously bro.
Carter, I just love that Arctic Grey! I've searched every online store for one even though I'm still saving up the cash. Where's my best bet on finding an SMF, lego in arctic grey with tiger stripes? I'd even be will to get an SnG if I can find one. Thanks for making the vid and helping to inform new knife community members like myself about the political dirt in the knife world. The world is awash with people of questionable character who have achieved postive ends. Such is life!
I think you make fair points. I had a view of him based on forum reckonings that wasn't kind.. but I recently bought a knife from them at high cost, and I couldn't be happier with it. I agree with you that sometimes people do the wrong things, possibly for the right reasons. If his actions are as you say.. then he is showing what a good person he is, irrispective of and white lies created to build a name. Rockstars certainly fabricate the hell out of their lives and people dont complain.
Just goes to show that there's no such thing as bad publicity :) One day I will buy an SMF when I've bought enough Emersons :D As ever, thanks for the videos and the effort that goes into them. Take care, Ben
He lied about being in combat. The Chinese lie about producing his knives. I believe I'm about to buy me some Strider Chinese clones ...guilt free. :-)
The difference you're aware and chose to buy. Im aware that their are uglies in the battery world I can't control but I'm also aware of giving someone money that may or may not deserve it if that money is based on a false belief.
The way i look at it is he is a human. I know i have made mistakes and all i expect is for people to apologize and say i was wrong. He is a good guy who does good things who had a lapse in judgement. I just bought a sebenza and i have seen chris lie about s35vn performance and you it is well known chris reeve can be an asshole. I prefer humans make my knives and humans are never prefect
Alright well those knives seem reasonably priced to me, if not a little on the expensive side. One reason why some knives might be much more expensive could be materials used. You can't compare a knife with VG-10 and FRN handles to a knife with S90V and G10.
There are plenty of guys in the military who relish an opportunity to (at best) embellish their service record. It's a part of human nature of some people to want to make themselves seem more important than they are, if not to outright deceive others for their own personal gain. I don't know what Mick's rationale was, and ultimately as a veteran myself, I don't really care. I don't have any deep respect or contempt for the guy either way. There is no argument in my mind that his brand made some excellent cutting tools, if not being a tad overpriced. Honestly though, I think anybody who attempts to justify the need to camouflage a knife for "tactical" reasons is probably going to bullshit you somewhere down the line, so you either accept that for what it is and move on or make a stand and don't budge.
I've looked over all of the knives that are available, and as far as I know, most of the US made knives have a higher price tag than the rest. What are the sub $150 US made knives you're talking about?
I highly doubt that the US made knives are the cheapest to produce. There's a good reason why most products aren't made in the USA. Perhaps it has something to do with cost of labor here in the US!?! Maybe!
I totally understand that. But then you're talking "buying quality" instead of "buying US-made stuff". My point is that the vast majority of the "BUY AMERICAN"-screamers, buy American only to support their own country and economy. From a capitalistic point of view that sounds very communistic, which is pretty hypocrite because I can't imagine anyone more anti-communist then an American. Kind libertarian regards from Amsterdam
Hm, I was under the impression that the US made knives were more expensive than the knives made in Asia. Knives like the Para 2 are much more expensive. My Delica 2 was made in Japan and it was only $50 for VG-10 steel. Pretty cheap.
$40,000 profit? check that number man. i know sal is taking home probally 4 or 5 million himself. if they wanted to they could move home. and zdp could be replaced by m390, xhp or m4 and i dont think anybody would give a shit. zdp is super hard but it does not mean it is the best edge holder. i have found the 3 steels i mentioned blow zdp out of the water.
couldn't care less about what kind of person mick strider is or if chris reeve is a douche bag or whatever I am consuming a product based off the merits of the product not who created the company
Really so what if a piece of shit child molester made really dope swing sets you gonna buy your kid one from that guy lmao or would you not want anything to do with a scumbag like that especially giving him your money?
Would you buy electronics that use batteries whose lithium has been mined in conflict areas, or are manufactured in sweat shops with unsafe conditions?! Oh wait....we all do that.
Real heroes are usually very reserved about their deeds. That is one of the key differences between the phonies, or want to be's, and not the real thing. It is not good to bragg about anything you have done in the service. Because whatever anyone accomplishes in the service is because of his brother in arms next to him. The military service mena nd women are a team. No one there is a hero. They are all heroes.
Because ZPD is a japanese steel and inheretly more expensive to manufacture compared to S30V how many knives with ZDP do you know of? The thing is you just can`t close plants and move stuff. They have contracts they made years ago, for example Moki produces Spyderco knives. I think it was last year that Spyderco made around 40.000$ profit.Not a lot compared to all the killer knives they put out that year. Global economics is a bit more complicated, especially for a smaller company like Spyderco.
Unfortunately opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. I don't know Mick Strider personally, but hasn't he spent time in jail and lost control of his company over this shit?? I'm thinking he paid his price, let it go. You hounding him after he paid his debt is just wrong.
Really you are comparing stolen valor to a opera singer??? I would love to be a pro athlete. So can I lie about that and it’s fine?The Military community is very proud. He was trying to be something he wasn’t. Who cares what he does for the military. Then praise Oakley, gore tex, Wiley X etc.
Take my iPhone for example, I've heard Steve Jobs was an asshole more times than I heard he was a saint yet I still use it. IMO the man behind the product isn't a huge deal. As long as it's a good product and I enjoy it, fine by me, I'm probably going to buy it.
i will pay $200 for a sage made in the usa. i will never pay a $1 for a sage made in taiwan. so he can decide. benchmade competes with spyderco head to head in price and they are made in the usa. a para 2 in $100 bucks and has as good of fit and finish as a sage 1. all of the usa made knives are the cheapest. a zdp-189 endura is far less expensive to make than a para 2 or military so why is it the same price?
you really need to learn how to have an adult conversation. you can have a constructive discussion without insults. and it is well known that the usa is one of the best places to produce because in japan the workers are paid almost the same as unskilled US workers and the cost of transportation is slashed. the untied states is the best place to currently build. an exapmle is the manix 2 it is $8 bucks more than a endura. it has steel liners, g10 and a more expensive lock and steel.
Man I been really thinking about pulling the trigger on a strider fixed blade but i didn’t know the guy was such a pos, oh well looks like I’ll be buying another Zt.
most all of the usa knives are sub $150, there are a ton of knives from taiwan that are well over $100 bucks such as the warrior, gale bradley, the sages, chaprell, bushcraft etc...... all overpriced for a taiwan build. the japan factory has alot of $50 knives that are lesser quality and have cheeper parts and materials. sal claims it is more expensive to build a delica in japan than the usa which is total bullshit.
Well, he sees it like a little white lies, creates this "cult" around him and to be honest, as fun as the strider forum on the USN is they tolerate absolutely no negative, or constructive criticism about his knives or the company. Like the hijack thread. Duane is no white sheep either, but the fact is still that he lied about his service. Other than that I agree with you. The Strider company does great things for active military and vets. And I`m looking forward to my first Strider knife. SMF CC
Dave cantibury(sp) Lied about his record as well for dual survival..does he still have stills..Yes ..can he teach useful woods survival skills yes.. so in the long run does it matter? No..Strider knifes are well made strong sharpen prybars of knives..are there better out there? yep.
all of the ukpk's, para 2, military, manix 2, manix 2 xl, mule team, native's, yojimbo's, pkal, leafstorm, dodo's and the citadel...... you can do this research for yourself.
i cant tell you how many videos i have seen from that man where he charges $200+ for a japanese knife and he says that the japanese dollar is stronger than the US dollar so he must charge that price. so name one good reason to make it over seas.... sorry for ranting but it makes my damn blood boil so much
I remember the Strider guys at a gun show in Reno. They showed up had a little table. Bunch of interested parties bellied up picking up knives. I looked at one that was about $400.00. I said hmm got to see a Strider. Anyway I walked back around. Bam the one at the table. Duane I think it was. Gone a small pile of brochures and they were off to enjoy the gun show or what ever it is they wanted to do. Anyway thats what inspired me to start making knives. The American dream baby to the core.
sounds a little sociopathic. If you Google sociopath you'll see a page with the definition for it. You'll find Many politicians. Businessmen. and fame-less people, have sociopathic tendency's. Doesn't make them murders.. just makes them game players of people. they see what a group wants and they become what that group wants they have low self-esteem at times so they may build them-self up with elaborate story's and backgrounds
I like the look of his knives, pretty badass. But I'll never own one because of the guy behind them. Don't care about his problems with the law I'd be able to see past that without issue but pretending to be one of the heroes that put their life on the line for the rest of us is disgusting. Especially after all the blood, sweat and tears shed over the last decade plus of war, just plain not okay in my books. There are too many great guys making great knives out there to give any of my money to an honor thief, no matter how much I like the look of his products.
What kind of problems with the law?
I don't think much of strider knives, but it's different reasons than most. They don't seem very good QC, or fit and finish, which is unacceptable for a knife that costs 400 dollars. There are plenty of much cheaper knives with all the same materials, etc. as a Strider, and are just as solid, and I really don't think Mick Strider could pull off these prices if it weren't for his military contracts.
Stolen Valor! Listen i understand you like his knives and it might have you looking past his "Stolen Valor". For anyone that has served its a big deal...... He knew exactly what he was doing he wasn't telling stories of a bygone era or dreams he wish came true. Dude straight up lied to give street cred. to his knife designs. Its how he advertised his knife when he first came on the scene. If you don't care about it.. its kool but to play it off like he was some innocent kid just trying to get a cookie and got caught by grandma is just wrong.
When it comes to the military give aways thats great! Just seem to come around that time his military history was taking a hit. Now in his true of hearts he could have been really trying to help, but if you really don't think there is a benefit in giving product to the military.....Just look into Glock's story ....You think they practically gave police units there pistols because in their heart of hearts wanted to help them out?? Your a smart dude you know how it works. Anything that is seen used by Military or Police is automatically wanted by the masses. It gives their products legitimacy. Do i shy away from buying a Strider because of Mick "Stolen Valor" Strider history ...NO not anymore than i would stop watching Braveheart because Mel's water taste Jewish!!! lol He's a dirtbag but he has some cool ass knives. Although i have always held that his knives are over priced. $500.00 for a knife completely made on a machine only hand work is putting those parts together. For that i'd lay down the extra $50 and get one of Medford's TFF-1s. Look its been said below everyone has made mistakes and boy is that true but his is a big ass one that he repeated over and over for personal gain and he did it on the backs of true warriors>>>> Strider Knifes kick ass , Ole MICKY boy well he's a Jack-hole that pretended to be a badass when he really was a E-1 that couldn't handle his military service! Rook Out! Merica-F#ck YA!!
Rook Worx So when did Mick first come onto the knife scene?
I love the knife. But i will never buy one. I will never carry one
Yes and he lied to his own wife for ten years.. then he got a knew one who was a master knifemaker in 6 months.. love it
@@PurpleEye-EX good for you. dignity exhists
@J Miller Time hes not a so called convicted felon.. he is a convicted felon.. for armed car jacking.
strider makes some pretty awesome knives...lying about his service was pretty stupid move and since he has fessed up some folks will forgive that...however I wont be buying any strider products..
A lie is a lie, he is a dishonest individual (no excuse) so I personally don't do business with people like him.
Yes I was his wife for many many years and I have a child with him..He is the most dishonest individual that ever exhisted
@@raquelholder7555 what years were you married to him? i need to talk to you!!!
He's a BS's con man. Most have admitted the the con man that gets them seems like a nice guy.
His lies got him money coming in to make a jump ahead of the honest knife maker.
His PR is self serving.
@@raquelholder7555 what about the people who still work with him?
I appreciate that. I also just bought a new SNG to honor his actions. My words from my past military have at times benefitted from doubt. I was a common USAF grunt injured in service honestly. Flightline noise destroyed my hearing, and a bad ly loaded trailer of munitions destroyed my leg legs and knee. I honor all those who walk the alk. Thats a lot harder than talking about it.
There are too many excellent knife makers out there I can buy from for me to be willing to buy from someone willing to sell his honor. Many people here say "Who cares what he did in the past, his knives are great." I believe that character counts for something. When it comes to me spending my hard earned money, it counts for a lot, actually. A man who lied to suit his needs once will do so again, and that is not someone I trust my money to go to.
Thanks for watching! I have only ever seen the arctic gray as a knifeart exclusive, so that's where I would keep my eyes peeled. They don't do this color as a regular production so you kind of just need to watch and jump on it when you see one.
500 words is short to sum up Mick. I've seen him do great things for people, and I've seen him intentionally screw people over just because he felt like it. Unfortunately it seems I see far more of the latter than the former. Similarly his background, and Mr. Dwyer's backgrounds, which they HEAVILY traded on when selling knives, are BOTH fabrications. That doesn't mean he doesn't make a decent knife, but his erratic customer service and lack of integrity are major concerns given the warranty.
Steve Jobs was one of the most arrogant, asshat, pricks to ever walk the planet. He treated people like shit and karma caught up with him. I still have a gay ass iPhone. Striders rock.
I agree buying American for "personal" reasons makes no sense, but at least in some industries, you still get a quality advantage and its simpler to just say "buy American" than to have to look at every single brand or individual product. American cars have never been that great, though they are improving. In a lot of other industries (like knives), it's a very different story.
So Mick changed his name from Burger to Strider because of threats on his family, and then publicly announces the name change, uses it to start a knife company, with himself as the front person? Please. Burger Knives, does not sound as good as Strider Knives, so he changed it. You are talking about a guy who wanted to become an army war hero, but that is afraid of internet threats and trolls? I don't think so. The guy makes an awesome looking, tough, yet useless-for-cutting-folding-prybar, and I congratulate him on his success. But he took the shady way of getting there. Most publicity is good publicity I guess.
Funny how real heros never talk about it. Fakers want to tell you everything. I do really like Strider knives. He also provides jobs for a shit ton of veterans in his shop, and from what I hear treats them very well. People make mistakes. People do dumb things but everyone deserves a second chance in life. None of us should be condemned for our past if we are making an honest approach and making it right and paying it forward.
3 months in military, car jacked people and stolen valor i wouldn't from strider even if you payed me. People with no sense of honor will still patronize him.
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Totally Agree! The SNG is the ultimate folding knife. The design and shape are really the kickers. Like you said in the video; it may not look like it but it's the perfect shape for the hand. In particular the SNG (vs. SMF) is the perfect size for the pocket. It's even light and small enough for the shoulder pocket or chest pocket. I prefer the tiger stripe, lego G-10, non-CC/DGG like the ones in your video. Strider Inc. may have "closed" but Mick Strider custom is still making these!
those were very kind words, Carter...its amazing how fast rumours get started, and its usually the bad ones that stick to a person whether they're true or not. thanks Carter.
Mick strider gave a kid a custom sng for the kids custom friction folder I thought that was really nice
Thanks for the comment! Glad to have your perspective here
Sorry Carter - I have to disagree here. Based on my own personal experience with Mick Strider in the USN Strider forum I've found him to be lacking in character. I don't he's remorseful over the lies he's put out there and I'm sure he spends a lot in tax deductible business write offs to be seen as someone who supports our troops. I'll be selling the one SnG I own based on my interaction with him and his well deserved negative reputation.
Good thing he changed his name , otherwise you'd be carrying a burger in your pocket:D
Don't worry guys, he only fabricated his entire background and stole the valour of fallen soldiers to sell knives. He only took the names of 2 dead soldiers Shugart and Gordon, and printed their initials on his blades to promote his tactical blades after they already died and had no knowledge of this.
It's all good, we all steal the valour of soldiers and steal their glory, and use dead soldiers who he never served with to sell our knives.
The last knife I sold I promoted my work as a commando, and printed the name of dead soldiers on my blade, it's just the knife game bro don't worry. It's not bad, I also car jacked a civilian at gun point and pretended it was a black ops mission, then sold a crate of knives. I also give my knives to soldiers for free so they can pose for photo shoots with my blades on the front lines, free publicity bro it's the game don't be a hater guys.
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The thing about the Japan and Tawian that makes them more expensive is the advanced tooling and manufacturing process that they have. Sal said himself that if they made the Sage series in the US it would be 50 to 70 $ more expensive than now. It`s a bit more complicated than that, and yes they are out to make money, after all its a buisness, and not charity.
it is good to know more about the people in background but at the end of the day the quality of they product's is more important that some wrong things that happened in the past nobody's perfect but the product's can be near perfect. Thank you for sharing.
Mick sounds like a great guy I'm hoping to get a smf at blade show
I agree with that. Totally believe in free trade, etc. Thing you have to realize though, is that economically speaking, value is subjective. The fact that some value that "USA" marking on their item may not seem particularly rational, but it's not inconsistent with free markets or capitalism. It's just another thing that certain people pay attention to, the same way others pay attention to brand or design or material quality.
I respectfully disagree with you here.
1. Personally I think Striders are one of the most overpriced knives in the business. Or at least were for a decade, before the new lock-geometry. Never understood and still don't why people spent half a grand on a production folder that developed lock-rock within no-time (and came not even sharp).
2. I'm more on team NeptuneKnives - I think Mick Strider is a disgusting lying backstabber (can not even stand in Sal Glesser's shadow).
I trained over 15 years ago with a Spyderco against a Buck 110 striking the side of a jacket and we also set up a hook. Moving in and striking with the side of the blade trying to make each one catch the Buck 110 was always in my hand when moving back out in a in and out type drill mimiking how you might strike. The Spyderco hung up at times and when caught on the hook it was snatched right out of my hand. I knew back the these Striders wer'nt good fighting knives. Now a days guns is everything so knife fighting really is a lost art so its easy for people to fake about it since there nobody to call them out on it like i am now. I like James Keating just fine but i remember laughing at the Spyderco Chinook back then too but whatever. Peace
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All that matters is that the man can grind some steel. Who cares about the rest.
Who doesn't love a conman? A tall story fantasy doesn't bother me. Judge the guy on his product, that's what we're buying.
"Judge a man by the products he sells, not by his character and morals"
Damn if that isn't the worst advice i've ever heard. Imagine if we actually lived by that teaching, it doesn't matter if somebody is a pedo or a serial rapist, or commited genocide, as long as he makes a nice product.
Seriously bro.
Carter, I just love that Arctic Grey! I've searched every online store for one even though I'm still saving up the cash. Where's my best bet on finding an SMF, lego in arctic grey with tiger stripes? I'd even be will to get an SnG if I can find one. Thanks for making the vid and helping to inform new knife community members like myself about the political dirt in the knife world. The world is awash with people of questionable character who have achieved postive ends. Such is life!
I think you make fair points. I had a view of him based on forum reckonings that wasn't kind.. but I recently bought a knife from them at high cost, and I couldn't be happier with it. I agree with you that sometimes people do the wrong things, possibly for the right reasons.
If his actions are as you say.. then he is showing what a good person he is, irrispective of and white lies created to build a name. Rockstars certainly fabricate the hell out of their lives and people dont complain.
@Kahrrr Sadly their best stuff comes from tiawan anyway
Just goes to show that there's no such thing as bad publicity :) One day I will buy an SMF when I've bought enough Emersons :D As ever, thanks for the videos and the effort that goes into them.
Take care, Ben
He lied about being in combat!
He lied about being in combat. The Chinese lie about producing his knives. I believe I'm about to buy me some Strider Chinese clones ...guilt free. :-)
he lied to his wife of many years about the same thing. the stories.. if everyone only knew his POW stories. ha.
Cheers!
The difference you're aware and chose to buy. Im aware that their are uglies in the battery world I can't control but I'm also aware of giving someone money that may or may not deserve it if that money is based on a false belief.
Thanks brother! Very insightful perspective
You are having a tough time to say he is a fake.
Huh?
The way i look at it is he is a human. I know i have made mistakes and all i expect is for people to apologize and say i was wrong. He is a good guy who does good things who had a lapse in judgement. I just bought a sebenza and i have seen chris lie about s35vn performance and you it is well known chris reeve can be an asshole. I prefer humans make my knives and humans are never prefect
He was super cool with me when he replaced my damascus SMF blade.
Alright well those knives seem reasonably priced to me, if not a little on the expensive side. One reason why some knives might be much more expensive could be materials used. You can't compare a knife with VG-10 and FRN handles to a knife with S90V and G10.
I've got one of his custom Valkyrie knives. It's a great field knife.
There are plenty of guys in the military who relish an opportunity to (at best) embellish their service record. It's a part of human nature of some people to want to make themselves seem more important than they are, if not to outright deceive others for their own personal gain. I don't know what Mick's rationale was, and ultimately as a veteran myself, I don't really care. I don't have any deep respect or contempt for the guy either way. There is no argument in my mind that his brand made some excellent cutting tools, if not being a tad overpriced. Honestly though, I think anybody who attempts to justify the need to camouflage a knife for "tactical" reasons is probably going to bullshit you somewhere down the line, so you either accept that for what it is and move on or make a stand and don't budge.
I've looked over all of the knives that are available, and as far as I know, most of the US made knives have a higher price tag than the rest. What are the sub $150 US made knives you're talking about?
Same here man! The product is a product
I highly doubt that the US made knives are the cheapest to produce. There's a good reason why most products aren't made in the USA. Perhaps it has something to do with cost of labor here in the US!?! Maybe!
My Strider collectio is always growing and shinking, right now I think I only have six (only LOL)
I totally understand that. But then you're talking "buying quality" instead of "buying US-made stuff". My point is that the vast majority of the "BUY AMERICAN"-screamers, buy American only to support their own country and economy. From a capitalistic point of view that sounds very communistic, which is pretty hypocrite because I can't imagine anyone more anti-communist then an American.
Kind libertarian regards from Amsterdam
Nice VID!! How many striders do you have?
Cheers, Carter!
Thank you for the great video Carter!
Hm, I was under the impression that the US made knives were more expensive than the knives made in Asia. Knives like the Para 2 are much more expensive. My Delica 2 was made in Japan and it was only $50 for VG-10 steel. Pretty cheap.
$40,000 profit? check that number man. i know sal is taking home probally 4 or 5 million himself. if they wanted to they could move home. and zdp could be replaced by m390, xhp or m4 and i dont think anybody would give a shit. zdp is super hard but it does not mean it is the best edge holder. i have found the 3 steels i mentioned blow zdp out of the water.
couldn't care less about what kind of person mick strider is or if chris reeve is a douche bag or whatever I am consuming a product based off the merits of the product not who created the company
Really so what if a piece of shit child molester made really dope swing sets you gonna buy your kid one from that guy lmao or would you not want anything to do with a scumbag like that especially giving him your money?
Glass houses everyone.
Would you buy electronics that use batteries whose lithium has been mined in conflict areas, or are manufactured in sweat shops with unsafe conditions?! Oh wait....we all do that.
Articulated very nicely!
Real heroes are usually very reserved about their deeds. That is one of the key differences between the phonies, or want to be's, and not the real thing. It is not good to bragg about anything you have done in the service. Because whatever anyone accomplishes in the service is because of his brother in arms next to him. The military service mena nd women are a team. No one there is a hero. They are all heroes.
honestly I just liked reading these comments :)
I don't care his knives are awesome.. Who knows the truth...
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this is exactly how i feel...semper fi
6 huh? damn you, you are a collector after my own heart my friend
Because ZPD is a japanese steel and inheretly more expensive to manufacture compared to S30V how many knives with ZDP do you know of? The thing is you just can`t close plants and move stuff. They have contracts they made years ago, for example Moki produces Spyderco knives. I think it was last year that Spyderco made around 40.000$ profit.Not a lot compared to all the killer knives they put out that year. Global economics is a bit more complicated, especially for a smaller company like Spyderco.
Well put sir!
Unfortunately opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. I don't know Mick Strider personally, but hasn't he spent time in jail and lost control of his company over this shit?? I'm thinking he paid his price, let it go. You hounding him after he paid his debt is just wrong.
Gossip poop. You've got better things to do. Leave it alone. It's gossip poop.
Go by the fruits, not the poop.
Really you are comparing stolen valor to a opera singer??? I would love to be a pro athlete. So can I lie about that and it’s fine?The Military community is very proud. He was trying to be something he wasn’t. Who cares what he does for the military. Then praise Oakley, gore tex, Wiley X etc.
Thank you for your perspective
holy shit he gives back to the people he robbed? he must be fucking robin hood LOL
Take my iPhone for example, I've heard Steve Jobs was an asshole more times than I heard he was a saint yet I still use it. IMO the man behind the product isn't a huge deal. As long as it's a good product and I enjoy it, fine by me, I'm probably going to buy it.
i will pay $200 for a sage made in the usa. i will never pay a $1 for a sage made in taiwan. so he can decide. benchmade competes with spyderco head to head in price and they are made in the usa. a para 2 in $100 bucks and has as good of fit and finish as a sage 1. all of the usa made knives are the cheapest. a zdp-189 endura is far less expensive to make than a para 2 or military so why is it the same price?
you really need to learn how to have an adult conversation. you can have a constructive discussion without insults. and it is well known that the usa is one of the best places to produce because in japan the workers are paid almost the same as unskilled US workers and the cost of transportation is slashed. the untied states is the best place to currently build. an exapmle is the manix 2 it is $8 bucks more than a endura. it has steel liners, g10 and a more expensive lock and steel.
LOL, I share your same irony with many knife companies. I disagree with a lot, but can't pass up a good knife no matter who makes it.
Thanks bro!
I hear that bro. I totally get where you are coming from
@DeludedManiac Lol they had that new lock geometry in the works WAY before Neptune ever even had a channel.
Man I been really thinking about pulling the trigger on a strider fixed blade but i didn’t know the guy was such a pos, oh well looks like I’ll be buying another Zt.
most all of the usa knives are sub $150, there are a ton of knives from taiwan that are well over $100 bucks such as the warrior, gale bradley, the sages, chaprell, bushcraft etc...... all overpriced for a taiwan build. the japan factory has alot of $50 knives that are lesser quality and have cheeper parts and materials. sal claims it is more expensive to build a delica in japan than the usa which is total bullshit.
Right a fantasy
this has being around for a while........
Well, he sees it like a little white lies, creates this "cult" around him and to be honest, as fun as the strider forum on the USN is they tolerate absolutely no negative, or constructive criticism about his knives or the company. Like the hijack thread. Duane is no white sheep either, but the fact is still that he lied about his service. Other than that I agree with you. The Strider company does great things for active military and vets. And I`m looking forward to my first Strider knife. SMF CC
Haha, agree. It`s gonna be just a lot of drama again.
Oprah singing is not the same as claiming youre in the ranger regiment. Ill have to do some research on this
me and carter had a nice conversation and he agreed with me. do you not know how youtube comments work?
Dave cantibury(sp) Lied about his record as well for dual survival..does he still have stills..Yes ..can he teach useful woods survival skills yes.. so in the long run does it matter? No..Strider knifes are well made strong sharpen prybars of knives..are there better out there? yep.
Stop sugar coating words. He lied. He is a felon. He made tons of money off of his lies. I have no respect for a person like him, or his company.
@@raquelholder7555 how long ago were you married to him? i thought marrisa was his wife and she still works with him?
dont take advantage of the military, take advantage of the contractors... they get paid more :)
Oh buddy. No way. I'm kind of sick of forums right now. Havn't been posting much in any of them.
Well put bro!
Really? why should it matter.
hank you brother!
But you're aware of it right? So you're not being stupid, you're being defiant. congrats.
all of the ukpk's, para 2, military, manix 2, manix 2 xl, mule team, native's, yojimbo's, pkal, leafstorm, dodo's and the citadel...... you can do this research for yourself.
i cant tell you how many videos i have seen from that man where he charges $200+ for a japanese knife and he says that the japanese dollar is stronger than the US dollar so he must charge that price. so name one good reason to make it over seas.... sorry for ranting but it makes my damn blood boil so much
who cares about m. strider as a person??? god, let's talk
about his knives!
good point
I don't pay for his knives! Dpx Heist 2.0, great knife $175.00
So the guy likes to give colorful accounts of his experiences. If the product is good I'm pretty sure I could get past all that.
@DeludedManiac Just so you know, they were using the new flat geometry on all of the customs - even the ones made many years ago.
I remember the Strider guys at a gun show in Reno. They showed up had a little table. Bunch of interested parties bellied up picking up knives. I looked at one that was about $400.00. I said hmm got to see a Strider. Anyway I walked back around. Bam the one at the table. Duane I think it was. Gone a small pile of brochures and they were off to enjoy the gun show or what ever it is they wanted to do. Anyway thats what inspired me to start making knives. The American dream baby to the core.
sounds a little sociopathic. If you Google sociopath you'll see a page with the definition for it. You'll find Many politicians. Businessmen. and fame-less people, have sociopathic tendency's. Doesn't make them murders.. just makes them game players of people. they see what a group wants and they become what that group wants they have low self-esteem at times so they may build them-self up with elaborate story's and backgrounds
@@raquelholder7555 I was his wife once too and never had an issue.