hi, the reason why the tiger in the film didn't pivot steer is because the tank museum didn't want them too as the pivot puts a lot of tension on the track pins and is know to sheer the pins clean off. i agree though a commander would have done pivot steering during and encounter like this.
Spotted you in the live chat during TankFest and decided to pay a visit; figured I’d provide a smidge of feedback Ironically, for a video hosting site, your audio is often the single most important determining factor for whether someone will watch your video. Would highly recommend a video Bearing made several years ago called “Getting sound to sound radder ... with me, Bearing” His segment on Audacity & noise reduction should prove very helpful 👍 Keep soldiering on!
The ending of the film was ridiculous but of course films are for entertainment such as the ' joust' scene you mentioned. In reality the Tiger would probably have stayed in cover anyway. Why come out at all. At this time of the way the Allies had air superiority by far and plenty of tank busters aka Typhoons and Tempests. Having said that the Sherman is faster than the Tiger,turret turn speed much better and the Tigers pivot was pretty slow due to its weights and thick tracks. Many Tigers were lost to Allied tanks formidable as it is. Plus although not the actual model Fury was replicating a Sherman Firefly with its very powerful side mounted 17 pounder. Often one of these travelled with 4 standards. The gun was camouflaged to appear smaller as German tank crews new the longer barreled Fireflys were a danger. Famous German tank Ace Wittman met his end at the end of ones of these Shermans. Tigers have a deserved reputation but there weren't many comparatively and were over engineered frequently broken down. The only working one in Europe at least at the Bovington Tank Museum in Dorset,home of the tank ( pay it a visit) was captured in WW2 due to having its turret immobilised by Churchills. Shermans though a middle ground tank,pros and cons later had wet rounds added to help stop brewing up and armour to protect ammo storage. Most tank could brew up if hit and the Sherman no more so. The nickname Ronsons was never used by WW2 soldiers as it wasn't invented until the 50s and although the Germans had some very impressive armour the Shermans outnumbered many in just sheer production. Many were lost and many crews but fir all its defiant strengths the Tiger was defeatable as thankfully so were the enemy. A ridiculous ending took the film down a notch for me but not bad from the usual posing a Pitt film normally has. Gritty in places,no glamour but a film designed to entertain soon with its action sequences. The Tigers formidability makes it even today one of if not the most famous Tanks in the world bit just as at Kursk,numbers, speed and enough T-34 KV-1 75/6 mm rounds will eventually find their mark. I'm just glad I never had to face one!!
Well, yeah; but, even with standard APC, not even using HVAP that should have been available in April of 1945, the 76mm can punch through 116mm of armor at 500 meters. The thickest armor on a Tiger 1 is 120mm. There would be no need to get around the tiger to kill it, even if they can't penetrate the front armor plates, anywhere on the flanks should do. But, also, the Tiger commander would have known this, and would have shot Fury first. I mean, lead tank, and it's packing the 76mm which is noticeably longer than the 75m3.
@@lucasdog1 they could have just, ya know, used one of the 75mm Sherman’s as the hero tank. It is just kinda weird that they specifically chose to make the tank a 76mm tank and then treat it like it has a 75
And, that would make the “this tank is my home” scene make a lot more sense, as they might have had it since Tunisia. But, as made, the movie has War Daddy making a big deal of a tank that is only like 3-4 months old as his home.
@@lucasdog1 as @robert williams said , the 76mm of the Sherman could have taken out the Tiger at range. All i wanted to do with the vid is point out a glaring omission that the tigger can turn on a penny!
@@littlehistory2392 I think he means the WW2 Challenger (A30) rather than the current Challenger tank ;) In theory it wouldn't have needed to get around the back or side of the Tiger as could poke holes in the front with its 17 pounder.
Churchill took down Tigers. The one at Tankfest was incapacitated by a Churchill. A Challenger if you mean the late WW2 17lb-er on a Cromwell chassis had more speed and the Fireflies gun so could have dealt with it. Shame only 200+ were built. Sad that the country that invented the tank fell so far behind and too so long to catch up. Although Matildas held their own and more in the desert campaign. Fair point you ask
I don’t believe this scene is that far fetched. Late war most of Germany’s experienced commanders have been killed. So I have no problem with the mistake of taking out the last tank in the Column same with the tiger charging I would call both of those rookie mistakes. The Sherman’s charging is logical for the 2 remaining 75’s that’s what crews were taught to do. Even the E8 charging makes sense if you consider the fury crew. Given the time line of the war and when E8’s were introduced. They had not been in that tank that long. And prior to the 76 charging in was doctrine. That’s what they were trained to do.
i cannot dispute that it may have been a real tactic. I have have heard it before in real interviews with both British and American tankers. My only real gripe was with the "get behind him before his turret turns" Even a rookie Tiger commander would know to spin his tank to help with the gun traverse. I think a more apt scenario considering both tanks were pretty evenly matched in speed and weaponry, would be a little game of cat and mouse at range 😉. Or the Tiger commander tries the pivot spin and wrecks his final drive gearbox!!!! "Gott im Himmel" I still think its a damn good movie. I have and always will have, the utmost respect for those that layed down their lives so we can enjoy the level of freedom that we enjoy now.
Any tank commander would do that. French,Russian,Allied all had their bottleneck tactics IF the tanks are in a column to start with and no sideway escape route
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hi, the reason why the tiger in the film didn't pivot steer is because the tank museum didn't want them too as the pivot puts a lot of tension on the track pins and is know to sheer the pins clean off. i agree though a commander would have done pivot steering during and encounter like this.
Spotted you in the live chat during TankFest and decided to pay a visit; figured I’d provide a smidge of feedback
Ironically, for a video hosting site, your audio is often the single most important determining factor for whether someone will watch your video. Would highly recommend a video Bearing made several years ago called
“Getting sound to sound radder ... with me, Bearing”
His segment on Audacity & noise reduction should prove very helpful 👍 Keep soldiering on!
Thankyou so much for the feed back. It is appreciated. I will definately be watching the video.
The ending of the film was ridiculous but of course films are for entertainment such as the ' joust' scene you mentioned. In reality the Tiger would probably have stayed in cover anyway. Why come out at all. At this time of the way the Allies had air superiority by far and plenty of tank busters aka Typhoons and Tempests. Having said that the Sherman is faster than the Tiger,turret turn speed much better and the Tigers pivot was pretty slow due to its weights and thick tracks. Many Tigers were lost to Allied tanks formidable as it is. Plus although not the actual model Fury was replicating a Sherman Firefly with its very powerful side mounted 17 pounder. Often one of these travelled with 4 standards. The gun was camouflaged to appear smaller as German tank crews new the longer barreled Fireflys were a danger. Famous German tank Ace Wittman met his end at the end of ones of these Shermans. Tigers have a deserved reputation but there weren't many comparatively and were over engineered frequently broken down. The only working one in Europe at least at the Bovington Tank Museum in Dorset,home of the tank ( pay it a visit) was captured in WW2 due to having its turret immobilised by Churchills. Shermans though a middle ground tank,pros and cons later had wet rounds added to help stop brewing up and armour to protect ammo storage. Most tank could brew up if hit and the Sherman no more so. The nickname Ronsons was never used by WW2 soldiers as it wasn't invented until the 50s and although the Germans had some very impressive armour the Shermans outnumbered many in just sheer production. Many were lost and many crews but fir all its defiant strengths the Tiger was defeatable as thankfully so were the enemy. A ridiculous ending took the film down a notch for me but not bad from the usual posing a Pitt film normally has. Gritty in places,no glamour but a film designed to entertain soon with its action sequences. The Tigers formidability makes it even today one of if not the most famous Tanks in the world bit just as at Kursk,numbers, speed and enough T-34 KV-1 75/6 mm rounds will eventually find their mark. I'm just glad I never had to face one!!
All valid points., and i actually loved the movie.. Mainly because it had The Beast of Bovington featured in the film.
Well, yeah; but, even with standard APC, not even using HVAP that should have been available in April of 1945, the 76mm can punch through 116mm of armor at 500 meters.
The thickest armor on a Tiger 1 is 120mm. There would be no need to get around the tiger to kill it, even if they can't penetrate the front armor plates, anywhere on the flanks should do.
But, also, the Tiger commander would have known this, and would have shot Fury first. I mean, lead tank, and it's packing the 76mm which is noticeably longer than the 75m3.
Beautifully put!
But..but.....but, if the German killed the Firefly first, like they should have...the movie would have been over!
@@lucasdog1 they could have just, ya know, used one of the 75mm Sherman’s as the hero tank. It is just kinda weird that they specifically chose to make the tank a 76mm tank and then treat it like it has a 75
And, that would make the “this tank is my home” scene make a lot more sense, as they might have had it since Tunisia. But, as made, the movie has War Daddy making a big deal of a tank that is only like 3-4 months old as his home.
@@lucasdog1 as @robert williams said , the 76mm of the Sherman could have taken out the Tiger at range. All i wanted to do with the vid is point out a glaring omission that the tigger can turn on a penny!
I wonder if a Challenger or Churchill tanks would have had better luck in that situation.
Challenger would have had to travel back in time and the TIger would have fallen to bits at the sight of it.... The churchil more of a match
@@littlehistory2392 I think he means the WW2 Challenger (A30) rather than the current Challenger tank ;) In theory it wouldn't have needed to get around the back or side of the Tiger as could poke holes in the front with its 17 pounder.
@@matthewlovibond900 very true, Churchill or a Challenger probably better matched.
Churchill took down Tigers. The one at Tankfest was incapacitated by a Churchill. A Challenger if you mean the late WW2 17lb-er on a Cromwell chassis had more speed and the Fireflies gun so could have dealt with it. Shame only 200+ were built. Sad that the country that invented the tank fell so far behind and too so long to catch up. Although Matildas held their own and more in the desert campaign. Fair point you ask
What is your favourite tank of WW2?
so cool vid
thak you Sir!
I don’t believe this scene is that far fetched. Late war most of Germany’s experienced commanders have been killed. So I have no problem with the mistake of taking out the last tank in the Column same with the tiger charging I would call both of those rookie mistakes. The Sherman’s charging is logical for the 2 remaining 75’s that’s what crews were taught to do. Even the E8 charging makes sense if you consider the fury crew. Given the time line of the war and when E8’s were introduced. They had not been in that tank that long. And prior to the 76 charging in was doctrine. That’s what they were trained to do.
i cannot dispute that it may have been a real tactic. I have have heard it before in real interviews with both British and American tankers. My only real gripe was with the "get behind him before his turret turns" Even a rookie Tiger commander would know to spin his tank to help with the gun traverse. I think a more apt scenario considering both tanks were pretty evenly matched in speed and weaponry, would be a little game of cat and mouse at range 😉. Or the Tiger commander tries the pivot spin and wrecks his final drive gearbox!!!! "Gott im Himmel" I still think its a damn good movie. I have and always will have, the utmost respect for those that layed down their lives so we can enjoy the level of freedom that we enjoy now.
Plus the German would knock out the lead tank in a column 1st then the 1 in the rear! Not the rear 1 1st!
Any tank commander would do that. French,Russian,Allied all had their bottleneck tactics IF the tanks are in a column to start with and no sideway escape route