BATTLETECH: The Mongoose
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ส.ค. 2024
- The #Mongoose was a favourite among the #SLDF. In this video for #Battletech, I'm going to go over why this little monster was such a champion for their light #Battlemech forces. A popular pick for almost any #Mechwarrior in those designs, it's just pure speed combined with a mean attitude.
Hell, #Comstar and their #Comguard were more than lucky to have inherited so many of these little monsters.
So, let's talk about the #StarLeague 's favourite light commander, shall we?
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Hey, thanks for the shout out! Great video, covering my favorite Light Mech. (This will shock some, the Urbanmech is actually my second favorite, mostly because of it's specialized application, whereas the Mongoose fit's into every unit I can).
As a side note the "Canon Cockpit Canopy Painting Guide" is a free, public post on my Patreon. It's pinned to the top, so everyone who is interested can have access, at no charge.
See you all dirtside, chummers!
Hey, it's Bishop! Great work once again. I'm continuously impressed by your artwork.
nice drawings. the line art has a lot of precise nuance similar to manga inking but the shapes that are created are almost whimsical. the armor looks like proper bulky and tapered armor rather than just looking like riveted sheet metal
The very same Bishop Steiner who lauded the censorship of the Rommel tank lmao what an actual expat cuck
Not having a hero variant called the Rikki Tikki Tavi was a missed opportunity.
Hard Agree. lol
Would it have a war hon that says Tik Tik Tik
So would the heavily armed version be called the Zangoose and the sensor array version be called the Gumshoos?
There is nothing stopping you from fielding such a Mech named 'Tavi' and having a 'war horn' that blares out "TIK! TIK! TIK!". Although, beware... some foes might just call your 'hero' the 'ticking bomb'.
Then clearly we need to change that
I remember talking to Bishop Steiner on the MWO forums about some of his artwork. Good guy. Very enthusiastic about Battletech. I no longer make Battletech artwork but I’m so glad to see artists such as Bishop, Flying Debris and Shimmering Sword make Battletech look so good.
Hey Rudy, thanks for the kind words. Still a huge fan of your work. Your Carronade is one of my top 5 post FASA mech designs, hands down. Hope all is well for you!
The Mongoose is a near perfect light mech in my opinion: It's fast, surprisingly well armed, decently armoured with specialist electronics, if you can stand the lack of jump jets. The only common light role it doesn't do well is "anti-infantry", since can't commit war crimes due to it's lack of machine guns, flamers or Inferno capable missile racks. The Succession Wars downgrade actually does a decent job of maintaining it's performance, and is probably the best of the downgrades.
Also, it's Always good to credit the artists.
To be fair, there is a mon-70 variant that mounts a couple of flamers, but that's only really helpful if you are expecting the infantry.
You could use one or more pulse lasers for anti-infantry.
@@elenorefangirl3389 Only small pulse lasers are anti-infantry weapons and they are not very efficient.
I would NEVER replace a medium laser with a small pulse laser.
@@hermes7587 Was referring to a medium pulse laser. Have no idea why you thought I was talking about the small. So go elsewhere.
@@elenorefangirl3389 See the first sentence of my post or read pages 216 / 217 of TW.
Medium pulse lasers are only marginally effective against infantry.
Only small / mirco pulse lasers do burst damage against infantry, medium pulse lasers do not.
For this reason it was NOT clear that you were referring to medium pulse lasers.
In terms of tonnage it is also difficult to mount multiple 2 ton medium pulse lasers on a 25 ton mech that carriers only 3.5 tons of weapons.
Probably my favorite scout from the IS; it's firepower let's it be independent of supply lines and it can usually pick it's engagements.
I just found interest in Battletech not too long ago, but boy within that time I really grown to love this channel. You upload a lot so please make sure to take time for yourself and not over do it mate.
I take time as I need it. I can assure you. :)
Definitely one of the best light mechs in the star league or truly any era.
When I went through all of the KS 'Mechs to create tweaks that could work as introtech field refit kits, the Mongoose is one of the few that I couldn't think of a single thing that would make it better.
Hello Red.
Like the Locust, I have also 'played around' with the Mongoose.
My variant removes the Bloodhound Probe and replaces it with the Angel ECM Suite. I also add TSM to the Mech as well.
This variant is meant to enter combat side by side with a standard MON-96 Mongoose (which I also add TSM to). The two, together, can detect just about any stealthed or hidden units, and disrupt their ECM -ECCM systems in a fair sized radius around themselves. This, in turn, allows most of the units traveling with them a clear shot at hidden and stealthed units nearby.
The reason for the TSM is obvious. After they, and their compatriots fire their weapons, the Mongoose Mechs, if close enough to their targets, can kick the Enemy unit. Which, in most cases, removes at least a Leg, and often an entire torso. Disabling, or 'Combat Killing' the Enemy.
Not too shabby, for a 25 ton Mech, if I do say so myself. Against other Light Mechs, this combination can prove to be quite lethal. A total of 6 ER Medium Lasers, and a pair of ER Small Lasers, plus one to two kicks, and the Light is usually toast.
The Superchargers allow a boosted 'walk' of 18 hexes (194.4 KPH, or: 120.8 MPH). The TSM grants another hex of movement (10.8 KPH - 6.7 MPH) to the overall speed of the Mech, as well as doubling physical attack damage (2.5, rounded down to 2 points per punch. And 2.5 x 2 = 5 points per kick), from 5 points per kick, up to 10 per kick from each Mongoose.
Given the average Light Mech's armoring and Internal Structures, a pair of such kicks is often lethal. Using both the Supercharger and TSM, a Mongoose can 'walk' up to 19 hexes distance. This can generate up to a +6 against being hit, while still a 'walk' movement, and thus only a +1 difficulty 'to hit' its target.
Two such Mechs, working in unison, have a 'damage potential' (total possible weapons damage) of 36 damage, before adding a potential 20 points of kicking damage. A damage potential of 56 points total is usually more than enough to 'combat kill' any Light Mech, and even some lighter Medium Mechs.
And people wonder why I love Light Mechs... Sheeze. Isn't it obvious?
Out of the succession era variants, I particularly like the 68. It drops all the weapons and downgrades the engine to 7/11 movement speed. In return, it mounts a large laser as its only weapon. This doesn't turn the Mongoose into a sniper. What it does is it makes it a very elusive harasser. Now it can afford to constantly run and try to keep opponents to its long and medium range while avoiding the majority of close ranged weapons that light mechs usually are armed with. The superior range brackets will give it an edge against other fast mechs. The few light mechs with LRM capabilities should be priority targets for the 68. Honestly all of the Mongoose variants would have a problem with LRM support, and the longer range helps the 68 deal with it.
I really adore the PGI/CGL designs of a lot of mechs. They look like they could exist, with a lot of thought given as to how they can move and where the armor plating would be.
OG battletech art does have a charm to it, but it's also pretty cursed in its own right. Gotta love the budget of a nickle and some napkins. And don't even get me started on the Protomech designs lol
I really really want to fix the Protos. Matt Plog and Alex Inglesia both have done some really good "production" concepts for them.
The modern redesigns are good whenever they do not put glaring "shoot me here" vents/intakes on the front of the 'mech.
I absolutely adore this mech! Superior armor and firepower over the Locust, as well as hands for grabbing objectives or downed pilots, while keeping the same speed. Even though it's expensive and relatively rare compared to the Locust, it's well worth it. Like the video suggests, it's an excellent choice for a Recon lance commander. Plus, the new Catalyst sculpt looks amazing!
In a game a couple of years ago, I had to recover a VIP from a helicopter crash before my opponent could get to him. My Mongoose pilot won the scenario almost single-handedly by reaching the crash site by turn 2, put the hurt on my opponents' Locust with lasers and a well placed kick that crippled his hip, and then rushed away, avoiding enemy indirect fire and getting back to my deployment zone before the end of turn 5. This solidified my opinion of the Mongoose.
How did the squishy survive in its hand? Built in padding?
Great light Mech right there. It is just so powerful for what it is. Being energy based is also handy for long haul scouting missions.
PS. Bishop's cockpit location guides are really neat. I like to refer to them as the "Find the Cockpit" series. :p
Totally agree
Love the Mongoose. Probably my favorite IS light, unless I really need jump jets. In that case I'd take a Fire Javelin or a Jenner-F.
The Mongoose the original C3 machine: command, control and communication. Good video Big Red.
Ah, the Mongoose. Always loved this thing, with its good durability, speed, and ammo independent build
...I mean, its no Commando, but It'll do 🙃😁😝
So many robots..... One day, you will have to give us a mech ranking. Simply to have a comprehensive listing of them all and their characteristics.
The rankings are for you, the audience, to decide :D
I got a Royal Mongoose on my Hell's Horses start in roguetech. Pretty quickly turned it into a Mongoose C butnwith a TAG, kept the royal IS doubles since Royal engine heatsinks get a slight weapon heat generation reduction and cost less passive upkeep/per-mission heat coolant fees
Such a cool little mech. It looks amazing. It's almost perfect in its role. I use one in MOST battles.
"Why if he's dead, then I'm a mongoose!"
*holds up sign that says mongoose season*
I only discovered the Mongoose through the YAML mod for MW5. It has become one of my favorite light mechs since then. It moves fast, has 3 MLs, and runs fairly cool. Didn't realize it was a command mech however. That's even better
Consider this upgrade as a personal favorite of mine. Stealth armor, a tag, and three light ppcs plus a targeting computer. You want to talk about a would be little assassin.
Going to be honest, I didn't know the Mongoose existed until about a month ago when I started playing Roguetech. The game started me off with one and I didn't really think much of it. That was until I found out it was an excellent backstabber in the configuration I landed it in. Now the little fucker has 75% of my company's kills and I am scrambling all over the galaxy to find another one for when I upgrade my drop limit.
As far as light mechs go, this one is quite good in general. Maybe a bit undergunned for anti infantry work, but as a fellow light hunter or general nuisance mech, it's pretty decent in most cases.
Completely agreed.
I like these videos because you talk about mechs I have never heard of.
Everything gets covered. Eventually.
Except Quads. lol
Thanks for the great write up! I am currently using a -67 in a Solaris-7 league, with hopes that I will eventually be able to upgrade it enough to a -96 equivalent.
Great video as always, red. I always loved the Mongoose, in all of it's configurations, and you hit on them all. Nice to see you hit all of the relevant variants, and kudos for the shoutout to Bishop Steiner!
My favorite light mech, very versatile.
Loved when the Mongoose mini was introduced in the 1990s. I pre-ordered two from Ral Partha and when they arrived had no arms (they sent some arms separately to make up for it I think). Everybody was glad to have a light 'mech that keep standing in a firefight even if for a little while.
GREAT recon 'mech.
It's an amazing recon mech.
The last bunch of salvage boxes I bought had mostly com guard mechs, including a Mongoose.
First saw this when ComStar decided to deny me any realistic possibility of salvaging some SLDF technology. The Mongoose is utterly terrifying.
Looks like a baby Quickdraw. I like it.
It's way better than a QKD for its weight imo.
@@BigRed40TECH Absolutely. I think the quickdraw is hot garbage (literally). This lad is ace.
I usually hate lights, but this is an exceptional mech.
Damn right it is!
Oh no, it's a mongoose! Look out steel viper, you time is Nie.
Sadly, they're time was already nie. lol
ahhh, the Mon Mon. A fan favourite. (The fan being myself)
_"scoutin' around at the speed of sound"_
Great light mech :-) nice mix of speed and firepower and its looks don't hurt it either :-) used often never been a disappointment :-)
both configurations of my full clan tech 3050 rebuilds have TAG, AP, and ECM. one has three MPL, and a SPL. the other has an ERLL, one ERML in the RA, and a targeting computer... or just 10 tons of pod space if you wanna ditch the electronics as well. oh, and max armor as always
Ah Mongoose the commander light mech I remember being lance mates with this one as a Stinger. Like my luck with lights it died from suprise NPC Clanner Assault as if to rub in the salt it was a Sohlama IIC. God did the dice abandon him imagine failing movement rolls that you get fucking Stackpole in two turns?
Poor Mongoose. :(
@@BigRed40TECH I swear put me in a light or a lance with a light three happens either the light dies horribly or gets fuck all dice rolls and then dies horribly or if dice gods willing survive with enough armor to not make techs cry tears of pure high grade salt from the damage.
The Mongoose is the anchor of my Kurita recon lance, thanks to Operation Rosebud (got a Sentinel too!)
I always liked this mech
A scout shouldn't rely on ammunition on long range missions and this fits that role perfectly.
Putting aside game mechanics I wouldn't install the light laser in the head, the heat backwash could make things uncomfortable for the pilot, much like the Thorn and this should be avoided.
Amongoose
It's pretty sus too.
Great upload, you spoil us with this videos and we love them!
You've not even watched the whole thing yet! lol
@@BigRed40TECH just paused to comment I got second this time then finished watching it. Still is a great video on this mech.
I see upload I click on upload and try to get first comment every time ha hope your day is going well.
I dig this mech.
I love the Mongoose it was awesome in my mercenary lance in the 90’s
In Battletech 3062, BXO (Darius Clone) manages to beat a Jade Falcon Mad Cat in a Mongoose with only kicks and flamers.
A very solid light mech. To me the OG version fights like a medium mech.
It can outdo most 40-tonners.
@@BigRed40TECH I mean, most 40 tonners are crap so that is no shock.
@@DIEGhostfish its crazy how bigger tonnage does nothing
@@clydecraft5642 It's just in a weird place for engine and mech weight ratios. and most of them are poorly optimized other than maybe the medium laser boat vulcan and the Whitworth.
Love the goose
Thats a heck of a mech
Thank you. I have enjoyed your entire series
Awesome, thank you!
The Gunslinger variant is my favorite, with or without the active camouflage system.
Really appreciate your channel! Your voice narration, editing, and video work are excellent. You obviously put a lot of time and effort in!
Much appreciated! I do this for a living so it's one of those things where you've gotta be constantly improving on them. I really loved making the Mongoose video, I think it came out very well. :)
Basically the best light mech around. It is favourite light and has no ammo problem.
I have always really liked the Mongoose. I'd take it over a Commando every time, even in the downgraded versions.
I prefer the COM for direct engagements, but for recon? There is no question. Even outside of recon the MON holds its own. COM + Mongoose is a dangerous combo too.
@@BigRed40TECH Totally fair. I used to use the COM a lot, I just liked the feel of it, but I started to lose them to ammo explosions all the time and have totally phased them out at this point. I still think that it's a useful mech, but it doesn't have enough speed or armor to survive the kinds of situations it winds up in.
I've never used a COM and Mongoose combo, I'm going to have to do that when I play next weekend...
"SPARTAN! Get on the Mongoose!"
Spartan looks around for said Mongoose and then looks up.
"*Heavy Breathing*."
Said Spartan climbs up to get in. Ripping out the pilot and takes off.
Light mechs have a quality that the tabletop seems to respect more than the computer games. Not complaining about HBS or Mechwarrior, just saying that they seem to be geared more towards heavy and assault models.
Most mods for HBS remove the absurd "the more you shoot at a target (hit OR miss) the more evasion you remove" thing frok base game, making it much closer to tabletop's Target Movement Modifier.
Play battletech advanced 3062 mod it will satisfy
Great video
Thanks!
I usually play Rimworld, but someone on my channel recommended Battletech. I watched a few of your videos and the game looks interesting, so you got a like and a sub from me my friend.
Had to do the Mongoose, didn't you? I have a particular hatred for this thing in the early game in BTA. Every time I go up against Comstar or WOB, they always have at least two of em. Now, this is the point in the game where your pilots can't even hit the inside of their own cockpit with a sidearm, with them sitting in it yet, and you wan't me to hit something with an evasion of 9? Thank God for melee, or I would never make it out of the early game!
Yeah the primary way to deal with these things is just to ram them.
That said, there is the chance of somehow managing to lose a pilot from self-damage, which is kind of a hilariously epic fail.
@@BoisegangGaming Yeah, most of my pilots in the early game spend more time in the med bay then in the mech. I think my most epic fail was letting a Piranna get too close; caught 12 Clan MG's to the Cockpit. Tex died that day. RIP.
It took me a while to figure out which book you had moved to. I think its the Technical Readout 3025 Revised.
I love the Mongoose because its simple but very effective even in 3025.
Upgraded Mongooses are also solid.
The MON-66GX Mongoose Gunslinger is a very rare design using both a Null Signature System and Chameleon Light Polarization System to make it nearly impossible to target.
3025 Revised / TRO: 2750 :) yep
Wait doesn't NSS and chameleon need a guardian? How can it fit all that, and sm6 with a ton of ammo.
@@DIEGhostfish No, Stealth Armor requires some kind of ECM but those do not.
It’s like a mini-Jenner
I'm surprised you didn't touch the Gunslinger Program's variant. 4 er mediums, an SRM 6, and stealth. Scary
Standard mediums I think. But doesn't stealth gear need an ECM? Where is it getting the tonnage? Just an XL?
I tend to cover the SL model, Succesion Wars model, Royal variant, and then the latest configuration when it comes tothe 2750 mechs. :)
@@DIEGhostfish good catch, standard mediums. And it looks like null signature system and chameleon lps, so not stealth armor per SE, but stealthy af none the less
The Mongoose is probably the best 25 ton IS mech design of the classical and sucession wars era. It is a rare case of a mech from the technical readouts that can´t be improved.
It is also IMO the lightest mech available that has a reasonable combat value beyond being a spotter or initiative sink.
The only light mech more combat capable is the heavier Jenner 7F.
I've been trying to justify having a Mongoose in my Ca.3025 Merc unit for soooo long... XD
Good mech.
Indeed it is!
The Bear dropping videos early in the AM. Good job, get some rest!
Also, the use of the Firemoth music is great. Love that track.
I woke up at 2:00 am.
No caffeine has a major impact on how and when you sleep. Good thing I work basically all the time and I keep my own hours. lol
@@BigRed40TECH That's awesome, haha, I have to get up for my 9-5 job in an hour.
The snake clans fear the mongoose.
As they should!
Steel viper still has flashbacks.
Getting some serious Chuck Jones vibes here.
Speaking of the Patreon, he posted Whitworth concept which looks nice.
Damaged Ink is not Shimmering Sword :)
@@BigRed40TECH I mean it's still on the patreon. And mentions it wasn't done by him.
@@Kingofdragons117 I think the Whitworth was done by yet another artist. Harri Kallio
@@BigRed40TECH Yes it was mentioned in the Patreon post. And has his initials on the concept. I am quite happy with how it turned out. Might have to pick one up.
Tis one of Harri's. I did a Whitworth ages ago, but Anthony wanted to do one based on Alex's ink art, and Harri got the job. Did a nice job on it and the Hermes II and the Quickdraw.
I never like non-jump jet Lights but if I have to take one I'll get a Mongoose if I can.
Would love to see this in MW5 Mercenaries.
Nice mech but I'm a fan of the Firefly with its long Range lrm 5 hitting power for a light, all energy lights tend to get hot fast.
But the Mongoose has good armor for its size and a BAP.
I am just not into the middle ranges it needs to do damage. But against tanks and light vehicles and infantry you can't get much better than the Mongoose.
The firefly is the goofy-looking shuttle on legs, right?
Seriously battletech artwork is cursed sometimes.
I am actually a little ashamed that I once got this excellent maschine mixed up with the even faster but otherwise pretty garbage Fireball and ended up playing that one instead...
Oh no XD
Amongoose.
Question for you Big Red: what ever became of the Mongoose Gunslinger variant?
Any that survived the Amaris Civil war would have ended up in Clown Space.
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So wait is the 96 using heavy ferro INSTEAD of the Endo steel or is it using both? That's a lot of crit slots espesicallt with XL on top and the bloodhound is 2ish.
It's.... pretty much suffocating in all those relocatable crit slots it needs for endo and heavy ferro, and then the XL to top it all off.
No wonder the weapons loadout is so light, there's just no room for any more, even if it had 100 tons to spare.
Is the plural of mongoose mongeese
that's a fine question with mechs. Are there multiple Riflemen.. or Riflemans? Timber Wolfs or Timber Wolves. I want to know myself. Only one i knoow for sure is that plural for the Atlas mech is "Atlases" not Atlai.
Plog>>Shimmy=Debris>Bish I think. Debris is a bit too angular and shimmy and Bish a bit too bully IMO.
I don't think any of them are espescially bad artist though regardless of any other issues.
@@DIEGhostfish I'd rank all of those above me, as well as Justin Nelson, Rudy Valle, David White, and several new additions like Marco Mazzoni, TBH.
I guess I can get poison ivy.