One of the best stories about this chasis is the legend of "the four horsemen". There was a planet with an old maltex plant that came under assault by a group of pirates some 2 companies strong; the local militia wasn't prepared to deal with sometthing like this and in the chaotic succession wars era many worlds simply lacked the nominal protection of a great house. 4 wyverns appeared from seemingly nowhere, peppering the raiders with LRMs and luring them off into the forests and hills that surrounded the city, and the townsfolk while thankful could do nothing but offer prayers to the mysterious doomed lance that had saved them. 2 weeks later the pirates emerged from the woods, reduced in numbers, their mechs and tanks shredded but instead of descending on the city they fled straight to their dropships, loose com traffic referencing the four horsemen of the apocalypse. No one knows who those mechwarriors were, or even whether or not they survived the fight in a practical sense, but their are those who say that they (or at least their mechs) are still out their, waiting for when they would be called upon again.
@@Alex-pj8nz The comguards weren't active in the Succession war era outside of a handful of very specific incidents (Like when they blew the shit out of a derelict warship to keep it out of taurian concordat), so fighting a bunch of pirates for funsies on some random world wouldn't have been their style.
@@MoreEvilThanYahweh MWO players can confirm, urbies can act like mini assaults as long as they fight next to their assaults. No one targets an urbie when there's an atlas staring you down
@@DIEGhostfish Probably the original TRO though at this point in my memory. The story continued with some years later after a bad earthquake the damaged wyverns re appeared to dig people out of collapsed homes, then vanished once again.
You would think the original Star League design would have SOME sort of antiinfantry weapon, maybe the 2 small lasers replaced by a single small pulse. It's funny it took the Mech vs Mech obsessed clanners to slot on 2mg and a flamer with some of the weight saved by their OP tech.
It’s weird. Small lasers are often referred to as infantry deterrents in the Battletech universe despite being not being good against infantry. I mean, a small laser will absolutely vaporize an infantryman at negligible heat cost to the mech. This is true. But even the lowly machine gun will outperform the small laser in this metric. Perhaps this is just a popular misconception about weapon capabilities that endured throughout the ages?
In Battletech, MGs are NOT 'human scale'. Not if you want to be able to damage a Mech with some weapon like it. So, I'd say that Mech MGs are a minimum of .50 Calibur, and most likely as high as 20 mm or so. 20 milimeter would be about .79 Calibur. So, a 20 mm 'chaingun' really. This would be why MGs can do so much damage to Infantry. Even shots that actually miss a soldier would do damage to nearby solid objects, with resultant shrapnel. And any 'hit' would pop a human like a water balloon. So, yeah, a small laser would vaporize one human... a chaingun though, would spray hundreds of rounds down range... 'garden hose of death'.
Some folks think this guy is ugly. I disagree. I think it looks elegant. I also like it’s loadout. Sounds like a good trooper ‘mech. A lot of the mechs you compare it to rank amongst my favourites, and I think you’re right to do so. Sounds ace!
Hello Red. I only fielded a single Wyvern while playing in the Star League Era. Even though it was a valuable unit in my forces, I felt it could be improved upon. When the 3050, 3055, and 3067 TROs were released, I did so. My version (of the WVE-5N) strips all ammo dependent weapons from the chassis (this includes CASE). Instead, I bring its total of Medium Lasers up to Six, improve the armoring up to 9.5 tons, and dump the rest into a single small laser and heat sinks. Although slow for its weight, at 4/6/4 speed, it is well armored for its size, and now has plenty of firepower to use. The Large Laser is useful to do damage while closing on the Enemy, and the 6 Medium Lasers are near-overwhelming up close. 19 heat sinks (single) keep it cool, and only generate 1 point of heat at a running speed, if one does not use the large laser. This variation is meant to close upon an enemy's location behind cover, leap over, and devastate the target at close range. The Large Laser is 'merely' meant to deal some damage to the target while closing to where the Mech can blast away with those 6 Mediums. The Large Laser only does 8 points damage per shot. Whereas the 6 Mediums will do 30. More than enough to destabilize the Enemy Mech and force a Piloting Roll to remain upright. If shooting at Light or Medium Mechs, that 30 damage is in most cases either lethal, or crippling to the target. And 9.5 tons of armoring allow the Mech to close the range fast enough to do so.
@@elchjol2777 : If used in a city fight, this variant would be pretty good. Able to close with the Enemy, jump behind, and carve 'em up. Also, not half bad for a 45 ton Mech. Although slow-ish, it packs one heck of a punch... so to speak. Also consider this: running and jumping while using the large laser isn't a real problem with the additional heat sinks. Yes, leaping over a building and blasting with all six mediums would generate some heat, but manageable. And, you have the option (depending upon initiative roll, to leap away if you 'lose', or wait until they move, then leap behind and do it all again... without overheating.
Thank you. I always overlooked this mech as too slow for its weight, but you have shed some interesting light on it for me. I love the Centurion, but this is fairly comparable while being more mobile and having better close in weapons. Thanks!
Giving reference for it's stats is always a good way to get a like and comment from me. It means far more than just a number to say it, for example, has comparable/more/less armor than it's peers. Well done.
i do find it weird that it call a city fighter when it contain an LRM 10 as part of its base package. I guess if your not worried of accidently hitting your own buildings you can use it to fire over skycrappers into units spotted by infantry, I would had thought they would go with another large laser or an SRM instead. Its a nifty design but like a lot of the mech feature in TRO 2570 i was just into the look. A solid machine no matter where you choose to fight.
Given this thing was from around the end of the star league when the Periphery was rising up I don't think it was really intended to be deployed in friendly cities.
Star League had a variety of LRM munitions that were recovered with the Helm memory core. This includes Thunder LRMs. Mine laying LRMs. So you can lay an area denial field and funnel the enemy onto the path you want
Hello Red. Revisiting the Wyvern design, I came up with yet another 'high-tech' work around. This time, based on the WVE-10N. In this variant, I stripe off all weaponry and equipment, excepting the CASE. I then put an ER Large Laser in each arm, an SRM-6 in the Center Torso (1 ton ammo in Left Torso, with CASE). I increase the IS DSHS to 12, and finally, add 3 ER Medium Lasers (one each, LT, RT, and H locations). Furthermore, I also move the extra pair of IS DSHS, so that each arm contains one each. I did not move the jump jets though. Keeping them in their 'normal' positions of LT, RT, LL, and RL. Moving the torso jump jets to the legs seems to be a 'logical' move, I realized that a single 'legging' would remove half of the Mech's jump capacity. Not an outcome to be desired, of course. If I had access to Clan Double Strength Heat Sinks, I could maintain the same configuration and yet free up more Internal spaces. This would allow the Mech to be upgraded with TSM easily. Why TSM over removing a Medium Laser and adding MASC? MASC would allow the Mech to move 25% faster than it's normal 'run', or, Flank Speed. This would be desirable, excepting the loss of the ER Medium Laser's firepower. But installing TSM results in a minor speed boost, in addition to doubling Physical Attack damage. This, I feel, would be more useful in Urban settings, and other 'close' terrain, like forests and jungles. The 12 DSHS give a heat dissipation of 24 per combat turn. Which is the total heat generated by both ER Large Lasers. So, the Mech heats up slowly as it walks and runs in combat. Although, the repeated use of both ER Large Lasers and jumping is contra-indicated. Where the Mech 'shines' is at shorter ranges, where it can jump, fire it's SRM, and all three ER Mediums, and still not exceed its heat dissipation envelope, for the most part. In fact, doing so, only generates a maximum of 25 heat total from jump jets, lasers, and the SRM. All of this while maintaining a protection of 9.0 tons of Standard armor. One can argue that removing a single ER Medium Laser for more armoring is a valid idea. But I maintain that the 9 points armor thus gained in this matter merely 'wastes' half a ton of valuable tonnage. There is an argument for removing a single ER Medium to add a single ER Small Laser, and half a ton of Armor. I can get behind that idea, since it reduces the 'safe' total of 'close combat' firepower down to 24 points of heat (barring the use of either or both ER Large Lasers). The change involving the ER Small and Armor does allow the Mech to jump and dump (excepting the use of the ER Large Lasers), with heat issues. Just a few thoughts. Frank 'the Tank' Smedley, Chief Tech, Ghost Lions Legion.
@@imadethistopostponi Hell yeah. Flood the city with cheap hard-hitters and watch the enemy realize it's a reenactment of Tukayid. They may win, but they won't feel like winners.
Most of those are actually pretty bad against infantry. Wyvern doesn't have 2 tons of SRM so it would have to give up normal ammo to use Inferno or Frag. Urbie is also pretty crap at any anti infantry other than blowing up buildings.
I like the first version shown. More human looking than alot of other mechs. And I love the Lil shoulder cannons. The other two are very dated and awkward looking.
I think the 'shoulder cannons' are supposed to be a pair of MGs. A large laser, several medium lasers, a pair of MGs, half a ton of ammo for the MGs, 4/6/4 movement, and near-maximum armoring, and you have a good Mech for fighting in cities. Yeah, remove that LRM, ammo, and CASE, for more heat sinks and more medium lasers.
That's the SUX A short range Command Variant that never saw mass production. It swaps the LRM for another 6 for a proper "missile FiRe!" double chest launch. The things on the shoulders are single shot vehicle grenade launchers. I agree that it is the sexiest variant though. Have Fun&Post Dangerous -Keelback Marketing Division - 'Only ship in the Galaxy to come equipped with a soul 😇'
One of my personal favorites. For no reason I can really pin down either, but this odd duck really will stop units cold in the right terrain. Even ones that out tonnage it badly. The clan model is mildly terrifying in it's own right too. Walk one of these out of the smoke in an RPG setting and you'll give your players a good sweat.
Finding one in an MW RPG is either the best thing ever, or your worst nightmare. Altering its weapons mix by removing the LRM, ammo, and CASE, and adding more heat sinks, and more Medium lasers, and you've increased its lethality 'up close and personal'. Although not 'fast', it can maneuver well with those jump jets, making terrain actually work for you and not the enemy, by allowing you to be 'in cover' while closing, leaping over that cover and behind the foe, and then unleashing hell upon them. I don't know anything barring an Assault Mech that could withstand that kind of attack at short range to its rear.
Could you possibly do a video explaining all the different phrases you use such as 'trooper'? I understand the differences between the different weight classes of course, but I am less clear on these more specialized classifications for the mechs themselves.
it's an unofficial term that many players use and which some of the official publications sometimes refer to in-universe. trooper 'mech especially has shown up before. basically just means a well-rounded, cheap-enough 'mech usually of medium weight class that can be used to fill out a, say, Lance, or other tactical unit, and expected to perform satisfactorily in "normal" operations for its cost and weight
Definitely an oddball city brawler. The later SLDF variant sounds devastating at closer ranges, especially given the design's ability to punch and kick. The overall design itself is definitely one of the most humanoid looking mechs, alongside the Commando. With abs and pecs like that, i'm surprised its not called the adonis or the heracles
As a long time Comguard player, I know this mech well. I'd describe it as a solid meh mech. It's not great, but it isn't bad either. Not sure I agree that it's better than a Vindicator. Ironically in my current campaign playing the Fed Suns against the Republic I just got assigned a Wyvern 6N to replace a lost Enforcer 3 6T . I can't escape this mech.
This was always a bit of an oddball for me, too light to really pound with the heavies and mediums, and not really quick enough to be part of a medium cavalry lance, as it's slower than most of the 55 tonners. It's not a bad mech, just...weird
There's one thing I say with any mech with a draconic type name,give it the ability to burn things! I know flamers or Infernos aren't necessary but sometimes infantry or hot running mechs need some fire breath. But to the mech itself,seems like something I'd like to have on my side. Good armor and a good weapon load out. I would love to see a modern design for it's looks, can't go wrong with an old relic waiting for another time to shine.
The Vindicator is one of my favorite mechs. If this one were more readily available, it would be too. It's basically a vindicator with a little less armor, the PPC downgraded to a Large Laser, and everything else amped up. I don't know how it has a lower BV than the Vindicator with double the LRMs and an SRM 6 pack. PPCs must be really expensive. I like to use both as bodyguard mechs. They can ward off light mechs that are harassing as many Lights can be crippled by a Large Laser or PPC shot to the right location. The SRMs synergize well in this duty because the Large will almost certainly strip the armor off one location so the SRMs have up to 6 chances to crit that location. The Jump Jets also mean they can get behind bigger mechs to target rear armor if they're called up to assist the battle line. They also both function well as support fire mechs with both the Vindicator and the Wyvern having two options for long range to soften up targets. As a result, I like using them as a 4th in a support fire lance. They can help lay down the support fire, but if the need arises, they can use their jump jets to reposition and target harassing cavalry/scout mechs. Most mechs can either be good bodyguards or good support fire mechs, but I really respect that the Wyvern and Vindicator can do both quite well.
2:10 "It would reemerge like a dragon" Hopefully a metaphorical one. The Dragon battlemech is kinda disappointing XD But naw. I love this thing, especially the IIC spinoff, ever since I got introduced in the CCG. It's not even that it's a good card, just the phenomenal imagery of the jet black skeletal machine stepping through flames it had just created, like a Terminator. So. Cool.
@@BigRed40TECH There's also the really not so good design that HBS mods like Roguetech use that are REALLY broad chested and have a dome head like the PGI Enforcer/Dervish/ a few others.
I think the Wyvern looks cool. I don't know what everyone is talking about. except for that weird thing sticking out the back in some of the early art. I could never figure out what that was.
There's no question that this mech is a brute. Despite its ugly appearance it's incredibly flexible and an excellent lance mate in slower formations. It can effectively engage targets at any range thanks to its flexible weapons package. Combined with its excellent armor and you've got an immensely solid core unit. If you can handle it's ugly appearance I strongly recommend this 'mech.
One of the biggest lies in Battletech is that if you're slow, you gotta fight in dense terrain like cities, which is the dumbest thing, in a city you need speed and mobility since cities are deathtraps for anything once you go into running mode. Therefore you need good walking mobility and preferably jump jets. If not you end up on your back sooner or later. It's just something they threw out in the TR's to justify some build like let's see how big a gun we can put on a light mech or let's make a close attack mech that is handicapped in speed, armour and has most of its weapons placed in the locations in the arms you're supposed to fight with, while the other weapons you could use have a minimum range !!! People should have noticed that if you put an Urbanmech or a Wyvern on a city map agains mechs like Uziels or Assassins they usually end up desperately looking for that one hex they can hide from the enemy rather than hunt down that enemy. We had a game like this weeks ago, and slow mechs unless they are really completely overhauled with the right weapons and gear, will suffer against faster, more capable mechs.
This is one of these cases that the lore and the game don´t match. Yes, in game, more speed is always better; but in lore you have to take care of the momentum. You can´t go 100 km/h with a 40T mech and hope to stop at 100 meters because are a 12 floor building in front of you.
Personally, I favor tough mechs in both tabletop and videogame. Haven't had the pleasure of working with a wyvern, but it would be my mech of choice for 45T. This or the CN9-AL for trooper mediums
Hey Big Red excellent video as always; but i have a question; earily in the video you mention that Wyvern could be a "trooper" mech; playing Battletech game i noticed that mechs have similar description in their mech files, there are cavalry mechs, trooper mechs etc. Is there a place where i can read about these designations cause i know literally nothing about them and i cant find anything on sarna (maybe im searching for wrong term)?
it's an unofficial term that many players use and which some of the official publications sometimes refer to in-universe. trooper 'mech especially has shown up before. basically just means a well-rounded, non-specialised, cheap-enough 'mech usually of medium weight class that can be used to fill out a, say, Lance, or other tactical unit, and expected to perform satisfactorily in "normal" operations for its cost and weight. non-specialised and non-expensive cavalry 'mechs are usually fast movers with a bit of a punch which can be used as, well, cavalry, flanking an enemy force, hitting hard, and using their speed to harass or continue the engagement while a "main line" force closes in with the enemy if you wanna check out Sarna, the closest is the Category: Unit Roles that list the unit roles used in Alpha Strike Companion and CamOps
I think this is an unpopular opinion, but the Wyvern is a better mech than most of the other (and better known) mediums of the same speed profile. I'd take it over a Centurion or an Enforcer any day.
I'd try to make some counterpoint but the Wyvern is almost exactly "what if we put half of a Stalker's weaponry on a mech half the weight" or "what if a medium mech was both a griffin and a wolverine" and as such is really hard to criticize.
Great video as always Red. This is one of my favorite medium mechs, I'm so glad you gave it the honest treatment it deserves. This is a hidden gem in its weight class.
The one pictured is the newer art... the older art is some of the worst in Battletech. But from a pure game-play standpoint, I have always loved the design.
I wonder if we will see some of the first mechs that the clans made after the pentagon wars, but didn't show up in the invasion? Like the shelved ones... I think the Mandril was one.
I think the lines on the original art are supposed to represent scales, but to me it just looks like someone casted a fishing net onto it lol Yeah, it could use a little freshening up, even by the standards of it's time.
This is an impressive mech though I can kinda see why it's not considered a breat front liner. It's simply too valuable to be thrown willy-nilly at anything and everything that is smaller than a Atlis.
How is it I have never heard of this mech, or it's Clan II-C refit? This is exactly the type of mech I would highly prize in my unit(s), especially the Clan II-C refit.
Far as a city fighter. It's bigger, faster, and more armored than a Urbanmech. Scarier than the Urbie in most ways that count. Indirect LRM fire is nothing to sneeze at.
The Wyvern is undertonnage at 45tons, its slow for a any mech under 80tons at 64kph maximum speed, and its odd in appearance. That said its quite heavily armed for its tonnage. Its a shame that the variants are few and limited. None of them mount larger engines to improve the Wyvern's speed. Wyvern IIC is a clan update to the old Wyvern. It still doesnt do anything about the original Wyvern's speed issue. Instead it focuses on even greater firepower. It packs a lot of firepower for a relatively low cost.
@@ChaosTicket Heavy mechs are more expensive(in terms of both c-bills and battle value), it's rarely a case of you get to pick between 1 or the other unless you're just having random tabletop duels.
@@ChaosTicket Huh? If you're doing random duels BV doesn't matter, it's just each person picks their mech and fight. Well, unless you and your opponent have some specific rule like "both player's mech must be within a certain BV of each other."
I have never heard of this thing, but I like it a lot. The 5N might be my favorite 45 ton mech straight from the line. A brand new mech to me and it feels like something I would benefit from having.
I think Wyvern and all I can think is the dad bod in TR2750. Thoroughly underwhelming. In urban fights its good, but its not my style. I prefer sniping and harassing and if this was caught in the open, it would be dead. Yet you play to your strengths and not your weaknesses. Up close it would ravage a Griffin, but at range the Griffin would be calling the shots. Not a fan, but it has its place. I do wonder why many of the TR2750 mechs are a bit meeh.
@@BigRed40TECHIt could buddy with the Hunchback, but it just doesnt have the wow factor for me. It doesnt look cool and the Wyvern has the reliability and sex appeal of a people mover. You just know that the PHX mechwarrior gets all the chicks, while the Wyvern MW is his frumpy tubby sidekick.
@@wheturangi Personally I really like the looks of some of the art, either the more chunky one or the skinny spooky one. Or the heroic looking IIC. Well, heroic as anything with a flamethrower can look.
The Wyvern is looking HORRIBLE in most depictions IMO. Only the Matt Plog version looks good IMO. Biggest issue of this model is the lack of speed, given that mechs were created to make warfare even MORE mobile, that´s a severe disadvantage. However it has a great weapons loadout, capable of fighting at almost every range bracket. Good thing it has jump jets, or it would be far too easy to deal with.
I'm really sick of Star League era mechs that don't have double heat sinks that would benefit greatly from them. With only 12 heat sinking capability the mech runs a little hot. If the Wyvern had double heat sinks, it would free up 2 more tons for weapons at small increase in price and eliminate all heat concerns. Since the mech is already heavily armored 2 medium lasers would be a good idea. Or scrap one of the missile systems for a second large laser or PPC. Also placing 2 missile systems on the mech, then placing 1 ton of ammo in each torso with CASE seems like a waste of half a ton. Should slap both sets of ammo in a single torso and CASE only that one. This does make me think the Succession era 6N was designed first and the CASE and armor were used to offset the weight savings from the Endosteel frame. Honestly not sure what to use the extra half ton on, which could be the reason the designer used 2 CASE, but that just seems to be a way to make the mech more vulnerable to ammo explosions. The Wyvern is a capable mech, but it misses out on some easy gains.
@@BigRed40TECH Double Heatsinks cost about 6k each. 60k C-bills in a mech that costs several million is a no-brainer move. This isn't like we're designing the Urban Mech II. I'd agree if the mech couldn't overheat, like if your primary weapon was a Gauss. For a design like the Wyvern? Making the overall mech 5% better by using double heat sinks and investing in more weapons is going to drive more sales. Especially since the cost difference is only going to be $140k for 2 extra medium lasers and the double heat sink upgrade. I didn't even refund the 6k spent on the single heat sinks.
Double heatsinks are the most game-breaking lostech. Ten tons of sinks you can't even lose if your mech gets torn in two, and more free weight vs singles if you actually need to install more than 10. Endo steel can't match that kind of value until the mech hits 100 tons. Even an XL engine won't cough up 10 tons of weight savings until it's above the rating most Succession Wars era mechs can fit ... and then there's that thing where your machine goes down very shortly after any of your torso armor is penetrated. Something really cool MW5 changed is that your 10 core engine heatsinks are always singles. Doubles are great if you can lay hands on them at all, but don't change the game from Battletech to Zeta Gundam.
I've always dismissed the Wyvern for its design, it doesn't really live up to its draconic name, looking more like a Raypunk fembot lol. Only now have I realized how it performs practically, looks could truly be deceiving
One of the best stories about this chasis is the legend of "the four horsemen".
There was a planet with an old maltex plant that came under assault by a group of pirates some 2 companies strong; the local militia wasn't prepared to deal with sometthing like this and in the chaotic succession wars era many worlds simply lacked the nominal protection of a great house.
4 wyverns appeared from seemingly nowhere, peppering the raiders with LRMs and luring them off into the forests and hills that surrounded the city, and the townsfolk while thankful could do nothing but offer prayers to the mysterious doomed lance that had saved them.
2 weeks later the pirates emerged from the woods, reduced in numbers, their mechs and tanks shredded but instead of descending on the city they fled straight to their dropships, loose com traffic referencing the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
No one knows who those mechwarriors were, or even whether or not they survived the fight in a practical sense, but their are those who say that they (or at least their mechs) are still out their, waiting for when they would be called upon again.
Love it!
Probably the Com guard if it’s in the session war era which I assume it is.
@@Alex-pj8nz The comguards weren't active in the Succession war era outside of a handful of very specific incidents (Like when they blew the shit out of a derelict warship to keep it out of taurian concordat), so fighting a bunch of pirates for funsies on some random world wouldn't have been their style.
Your talking about the Tirpitz incident right@@guitarhausdoesntknowwhatac3285?
@@williamdobbin7827 Might have been; it was in the 3039 TRO.
We love mechs in lower weight classes that act like heavies
Especially when they can actually pull it off.
Upengined Urbies with access to L2 tech or higher really live up to the "pocket heavy/assault" moniker.
@@MoreEvilThanYahweh MWO players can confirm, urbies can act like mini assaults as long as they fight next to their assaults. No one targets an urbie when there's an atlas staring you down
@@ironboy3245 Same, I use the R80 so assaults benefit from my ECM and AMS coverage.
Loved the Wyvern, if you can find it, The story "Ghosts of Errai" was about the remains of the Maltex security team and some very stupid pirates.
What's that from? battletechnology? Shrapnel? Fanfic?
@@DIEGhostfish Probably the original TRO though at this point in my memory. The story continued with some years later after a bad earthquake the damaged wyverns re appeared to dig people out of collapsed homes, then vanished once again.
@@DIEGhostfish TRO 3039
@@DShiflet01 it’s not com guard ?
@@Alex-pj8nz He asked where the Ghosts of Errai story was from. It was from TRO 3039
*Hands BigRed a brown paper bag from Maltex Corporation* Good work for showing off our product line, Bear, here's your cut.
Thanks. Maltex always takes care of its friends. I'm glad to see that's still true!
There's a good shot of one doing repair and recovery work in Tex's Pentagon War video.
You would think the original Star League design would have SOME sort of antiinfantry weapon, maybe the 2 small lasers replaced by a single small pulse. It's funny it took the Mech vs Mech obsessed clanners to slot on 2mg and a flamer with some of the weight saved by their OP tech.
It’s weird. Small lasers are often referred to as infantry deterrents in the Battletech universe despite being not being good against infantry.
I mean, a small laser will absolutely vaporize an infantryman at negligible heat cost to the mech. This is true. But even the lowly machine gun will outperform the small laser in this metric. Perhaps this is just a popular misconception about weapon capabilities that endured throughout the ages?
The Star League unlike the Clans actually has a lot of infantry and AFVs so they don’t need it.
Sweeping large lasers over a trench line works just as well as an mg
In Battletech, MGs are NOT 'human scale'. Not if you want to be able to damage a Mech with some weapon like it. So, I'd say that Mech MGs are a minimum of .50 Calibur, and most likely as high as 20 mm or so. 20 milimeter would be about .79 Calibur. So, a 20 mm 'chaingun' really. This would be why MGs can do so much damage to Infantry. Even shots that actually miss a soldier would do damage to nearby solid objects, with resultant shrapnel. And any 'hit' would pop a human like a water balloon. So, yeah, a small laser would vaporize one human... a chaingun though, would spray hundreds of rounds down range... 'garden hose of death'.
@@franksmedley7372 Or lots and lots of .50 even compared to modern weapons.
Some folks think this guy is ugly. I disagree. I think it looks elegant. I also like it’s loadout. Sounds like a good trooper ‘mech. A lot of the mechs you compare it to rank amongst my favourites, and I think you’re right to do so. Sounds ace!
Hello Red.
I only fielded a single Wyvern while playing in the Star League Era. Even though it was a valuable unit in my forces, I felt it could be improved upon.
When the 3050, 3055, and 3067 TROs were released, I did so.
My version (of the WVE-5N) strips all ammo dependent weapons from the chassis (this includes CASE). Instead, I bring its total of Medium Lasers up to Six, improve the armoring up to 9.5 tons, and dump the rest into a single small laser and heat sinks.
Although slow for its weight, at 4/6/4 speed, it is well armored for its size, and now has plenty of firepower to use. The Large Laser is useful to do damage while closing on the Enemy, and the 6 Medium Lasers are near-overwhelming up close. 19 heat sinks (single) keep it cool, and only generate 1 point of heat at a running speed, if one does not use the large laser.
This variation is meant to close upon an enemy's location behind cover, leap over, and devastate the target at close range. The Large Laser is 'merely' meant to deal some damage to the target while closing to where the Mech can blast away with those 6 Mediums.
The Large Laser only does 8 points damage per shot. Whereas the 6 Mediums will do 30. More than enough to destabilize the Enemy Mech and force a Piloting Roll to remain upright. If shooting at Light or Medium Mechs, that 30 damage is in most cases either lethal, or crippling to the target. And 9.5 tons of armoring allow the Mech to close the range fast enough to do so.
That is terrifying...I almost feel bad for who ever got in the sights of that monster. It's a walking laser cutter.
@@elchjol2777 : If used in a city fight, this variant would be pretty good. Able to close with the Enemy, jump behind, and carve 'em up. Also, not half bad for a 45 ton Mech. Although slow-ish, it packs one heck of a punch... so to speak. Also consider this: running and jumping while using the large laser isn't a real problem with the additional heat sinks. Yes, leaping over a building and blasting with all six mediums would generate some heat, but manageable. And, you have the option (depending upon initiative roll, to leap away if you 'lose', or wait until they move, then leap behind and do it all again... without overheating.
Thank you. I always overlooked this mech as too slow for its weight, but you have shed some interesting light on it for me. I love the Centurion, but this is fairly comparable while being more mobile and having better close in weapons. Thanks!
Giving reference for it's stats is always a good way to get a like and comment from me. It means far more than just a number to say it, for example, has comparable/more/less armor than it's peers. Well done.
From the moment I saw it in the old 2750 Technical readout I bought at a used book store I knew it was my favourite mech.
i do find it weird that it call a city fighter when it contain an LRM 10 as part of its base package. I guess if your not worried of accidently hitting your own buildings you can use it to fire over skycrappers into units spotted by infantry, I would had thought they would go with another large laser or an SRM instead. Its a nifty design but like a lot of the mech feature in TRO 2570 i was just into the look. A solid machine no matter where you choose to fight.
For defense in depth. Soften them up before they get to the city, then soften them up more anytime they are out in the open.
Given this thing was from around the end of the star league when the Periphery was rising up I don't think it was really intended to be deployed in friendly cities.
Star League had a variety of LRM munitions that were recovered with the Helm memory core. This includes Thunder LRMs. Mine laying LRMs. So you can lay an area denial field and funnel the enemy onto the path you want
The Wyvern is designed to jump into your back, core you and jump out to kill the rest of your lance. It is an ambush hunter more than a city fighter.
@@wakey001 Wyvern only has 1 ton per launcher though.
Hello Red.
Revisiting the Wyvern design, I came up with yet another 'high-tech' work around. This time, based on the WVE-10N. In this variant, I stripe off all weaponry and equipment, excepting the CASE. I then put an ER Large Laser in each arm, an SRM-6 in the Center Torso (1 ton ammo in Left Torso, with CASE). I increase the IS DSHS to 12, and finally, add 3 ER Medium Lasers (one each, LT, RT, and H locations). Furthermore, I also move the extra pair of IS DSHS, so that each arm contains one each. I did not move the jump jets though. Keeping them in their 'normal' positions of LT, RT, LL, and RL. Moving the torso jump jets to the legs seems to be a 'logical' move, I realized that a single 'legging' would remove half of the Mech's jump capacity. Not an outcome to be desired, of course.
If I had access to Clan Double Strength Heat Sinks, I could maintain the same configuration and yet free up more Internal spaces. This would allow the Mech to be upgraded with TSM easily. Why TSM over removing a Medium Laser and adding MASC? MASC would allow the Mech to move 25% faster than it's normal 'run', or, Flank Speed. This would be desirable, excepting the loss of the ER Medium Laser's firepower. But installing TSM results in a minor speed boost, in addition to doubling Physical Attack damage. This, I feel, would be more useful in Urban settings, and other 'close' terrain, like forests and jungles.
The 12 DSHS give a heat dissipation of 24 per combat turn. Which is the total heat generated by both ER Large Lasers. So, the Mech heats up slowly as it walks and runs in combat. Although, the repeated use of both ER Large Lasers and jumping is contra-indicated. Where the Mech 'shines' is at shorter ranges, where it can jump, fire it's SRM, and all three ER Mediums, and still not exceed its heat dissipation envelope, for the most part. In fact, doing so, only generates a maximum of 25 heat total from jump jets, lasers, and the SRM.
All of this while maintaining a protection of 9.0 tons of Standard armor.
One can argue that removing a single ER Medium Laser for more armoring is a valid idea. But I maintain that the 9 points armor thus gained in this matter merely 'wastes' half a ton of valuable tonnage. There is an argument for removing a single ER Medium to add a single ER Small Laser, and half a ton of Armor. I can get behind that idea, since it reduces the 'safe' total of 'close combat' firepower down to 24 points of heat (barring the use of either or both ER Large Lasers). The change involving the ER Small and Armor does allow the Mech to jump and dump (excepting the use of the ER Large Lasers), with heat issues.
Just a few thoughts.
Frank 'the Tank' Smedley, Chief Tech, Ghost Lions Legion.
As a suggestion, it would be interesting video to have you describe the roles of mechs. Such as trooper or striker mechs
One day...
Imagine having to fight a bunch of Urbies, Thorns, Wyverns and both powered armor & regular infantry with SRM launchers in a city?
don't forget Hunchbacks is AC-20s
@@imadethistopostponi Hell yeah.
Flood the city with cheap hard-hitters and watch the enemy realize it's a reenactment of Tukayid.
They may win, but they won't feel like winners.
Most of those are actually pretty bad against infantry. Wyvern doesn't have 2 tons of SRM so it would have to give up normal ammo to use Inferno or Frag. Urbie is also pretty crap at any anti infantry other than blowing up buildings.
@@DIEGhostfish They're all on the same side.
Don't forget either a highlander or Victor
I like the first version shown. More human looking than alot of other mechs. And I love the Lil shoulder cannons. The other two are very dated and awkward looking.
I think the 'shoulder cannons' are supposed to be a pair of MGs. A large laser, several medium lasers, a pair of MGs, half a ton of ammo for the MGs, 4/6/4 movement, and near-maximum armoring, and you have a good Mech for fighting in cities. Yeah, remove that LRM, ammo, and CASE, for more heat sinks and more medium lasers.
That's the SUX
A short range Command Variant that never saw mass production. It swaps the LRM for another 6 for a proper "missile FiRe!" double chest launch.
The things on the shoulders are single shot vehicle grenade launchers.
I agree that it is the sexiest variant though.
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The Wyvern is great. Form and function.
Best trooper out there.
Even though it's technically not a trooper. lol
@@BigRed40TECH Maybe the real troopers are the Elementals we killed along the way...
@@MechanicalFrog The real friends are the ones who fought together to stop the clowns really. :P
@@BigRed40TECH Does that make Terra the sewer where the murderous clown lives?
One of my personal favorites. For no reason I can really pin down either, but this odd duck really will stop units cold in the right terrain. Even ones that out tonnage it badly. The clan model is mildly terrifying in it's own right too. Walk one of these out of the smoke in an RPG setting and you'll give your players a good sweat.
Finding one in an MW RPG is either the best thing ever, or your worst nightmare. Altering its weapons mix by removing the LRM, ammo, and CASE, and adding more heat sinks, and more Medium lasers, and you've increased its lethality 'up close and personal'. Although not 'fast', it can maneuver well with those jump jets, making terrain actually work for you and not the enemy, by allowing you to be 'in cover' while closing, leaping over that cover and behind the foe, and then unleashing hell upon them. I don't know anything barring an Assault Mech that could withstand that kind of attack at short range to its rear.
One of the best light / scout mechs in Battletechs!
Could you possibly do a video explaining all the different phrases you use such as 'trooper'?
I understand the differences between the different weight classes of course, but I am less clear on these more specialized classifications for the mechs themselves.
One day...
One day...
it's an unofficial term that many players use and which some of the official publications sometimes refer to in-universe. trooper 'mech especially has shown up before. basically just means a well-rounded, cheap-enough 'mech usually of medium weight class that can be used to fill out a, say, Lance, or other tactical unit, and expected to perform satisfactorily in "normal" operations for its cost and weight
Oh no way. I was waiting for an upload all day, haha, keep up the amazing work Big red!
Thanks! Will do!
Definitely an oddball city brawler. The later SLDF variant sounds devastating at closer ranges, especially given the design's ability to punch and kick.
The overall design itself is definitely one of the most humanoid looking mechs, alongside the Commando. With abs and pecs like that, i'm surprised its not called the adonis or the heracles
As a long time Comguard player, I know this mech well. I'd describe it as a solid meh mech. It's not great, but it isn't bad either. Not sure I agree that it's better than a Vindicator.
Ironically in my current campaign playing the Fed Suns against the Republic I just got assigned a Wyvern 6N to replace a lost Enforcer 3 6T . I can't escape this mech.
This was always a bit of an oddball for me, too light to really pound with the heavies and mediums, and not really quick enough to be part of a medium cavalry lance, as it's slower than most of the 55 tonners. It's not a bad mech, just...weird
It's like a combination of a Centurion and a Vindicator for me. I think its fantastic.
There's one thing I say with any mech with a draconic type name,give it the ability to burn things! I know flamers or Infernos aren't necessary but sometimes infantry or hot running mechs need some fire breath. But to the mech itself,seems like something I'd like to have on my side. Good armor and a good weapon load out. I would love to see a modern design for it's looks, can't go wrong with an old relic waiting for another time to shine.
The Vindicator is one of my favorite mechs. If this one were more readily available, it would be too. It's basically a vindicator with a little less armor, the PPC downgraded to a Large Laser, and everything else amped up. I don't know how it has a lower BV than the Vindicator with double the LRMs and an SRM 6 pack. PPCs must be really expensive.
I like to use both as bodyguard mechs. They can ward off light mechs that are harassing as many Lights can be crippled by a Large Laser or PPC shot to the right location. The SRMs synergize well in this duty because the Large will almost certainly strip the armor off one location so the SRMs have up to 6 chances to crit that location. The Jump Jets also mean they can get behind bigger mechs to target rear armor if they're called up to assist the battle line.
They also both function well as support fire mechs with both the Vindicator and the Wyvern having two options for long range to soften up targets. As a result, I like using them as a 4th in a support fire lance. They can help lay down the support fire, but if the need arises, they can use their jump jets to reposition and target harassing cavalry/scout mechs. Most mechs can either be good bodyguards or good support fire mechs, but I really respect that the Wyvern and Vindicator can do both quite well.
Nightmare fuel looking mech. The model for sure comes to life at night and f's with ur cat
2:10
"It would reemerge like a dragon"
Hopefully a metaphorical one. The Dragon battlemech is kinda disappointing XD
But naw. I love this thing, especially the IIC spinoff, ever since I got introduced in the CCG.
It's not even that it's a good card, just the phenomenal imagery of the jet black skeletal machine stepping through flames it had just created, like a Terminator. So. Cool.
Such a cool looking mech! A really nice design too
would love to see this thing appear in a mechwarrior game one day
As would I, it badly needs a redesign.
There's plenty of mechs that need a redesign and integration into MWO, like my beloved Swordsman SWD-2
@@BigRed40TECH There's been a couple good fan designs that take some inspiration from the Wyvern IIC and the City Grenade Launcher Guy.
@@BigRed40TECH There's also the really not so good design that HBS mods like Roguetech use that are REALLY broad chested and have a dome head like the PGI Enforcer/Dervish/ a few others.
I think the Wyvern looks cool. I don't know what everyone is talking about. except for that weird thing sticking out the back in some of the early art. I could never figure out what that was.
Look at that sexy mech! I hope Catalyst produces this mech and its looks like this.
The Wyvern is what the Shadow Hawk should have been.
Can a giant walking murder robot be art? Yes.
There's no question that this mech is a brute. Despite its ugly appearance it's incredibly flexible and an excellent lance mate in slower formations. It can effectively engage targets at any range thanks to its flexible weapons package. Combined with its excellent armor and you've got an immensely solid core unit. If you can handle it's ugly appearance I strongly recommend this 'mech.
The Wyvern:
Bringing new meaning to the phrase 'crotch rocket'.
Hmm i missed this beasty, hmm. Nice. The visual redesign is nice.
Its just the prototype version, sadly, that's not the "new" Wyvern :(
One of the biggest lies in Battletech is that if you're slow, you gotta fight in dense terrain like cities, which is the dumbest thing, in a city you need speed and mobility since cities are deathtraps for anything once you go into running mode. Therefore you need good walking mobility and preferably jump jets. If not you end up on your back sooner or later.
It's just something they threw out in the TR's to justify some build like let's see how big a gun we can put on a light mech or let's make a close attack mech that is handicapped in speed, armour and has most of its weapons placed in the locations in the arms you're supposed to fight with, while the other weapons you could use have a minimum range !!!
People should have noticed that if you put an Urbanmech or a Wyvern on a city map agains mechs like Uziels or Assassins they usually end up desperately looking for that one hex they can hide from the enemy rather than hunt down that enemy. We had a game like this weeks ago, and slow mechs unless they are really completely overhauled with the right weapons and gear, will suffer against faster, more capable mechs.
This is one of these cases that the lore and the game don´t match.
Yes, in game, more speed is always better; but in lore you have to take care of the momentum. You can´t go 100 km/h with a 40T mech and hope to stop at 100 meters because are a 12 floor building in front of you.
Personally, I favor tough mechs in both tabletop and videogame. Haven't had the pleasure of working with a wyvern, but it would be my mech of choice for 45T. This or the CN9-AL for trooper mediums
I like the original art for the Wyvren. There's something 'uncanny valley' about it, almost too human, something off putting, like a showroom dummy.
Looks kinda like the mortal Kombat cyborg ninjas from the MK2 era
That's the latest art for the Prototype.
The normal one looks like... I don't even know. XD
So I wasn't the only one
@@BigRed40TECH Classic one is just a dude wearing disco ball facets. Or a scrawny atlas.
Well this is a very interesting design I don’t know how I feel about it
I always hated how this thing looked. I'm glad they made it prettier.
Hey Big Red excellent video as always; but i have a question; earily in the video you mention that Wyvern could be a "trooper" mech; playing Battletech game i noticed that mechs have similar description in their mech files, there are cavalry mechs, trooper mechs etc. Is there a place where i can read about these designations cause i know literally nothing about them and i cant find anything on sarna (maybe im searching for wrong term)?
it's an unofficial term that many players use and which some of the official publications sometimes refer to in-universe. trooper 'mech especially has shown up before.
basically just means a well-rounded, non-specialised, cheap-enough 'mech usually of medium weight class that can be used to fill out a, say, Lance, or other tactical unit, and expected to perform satisfactorily in "normal" operations for its cost and weight. non-specialised and non-expensive
cavalry 'mechs are usually fast movers with a bit of a punch which can be used as, well, cavalry, flanking an enemy force, hitting hard, and using their speed to harass or continue the engagement while a "main line" force closes in with the enemy
if you wanna check out Sarna, the closest is the Category: Unit Roles that list the unit roles used in Alpha Strike Companion and CamOps
I wish this was one of the ones included in the Battletech computer game.
I think this is an unpopular opinion, but the Wyvern is a better mech than most of the other (and better known) mediums of the same speed profile. I'd take it over a Centurion or an Enforcer any day.
Oh yea. It'll outshine literally any other trooper imo. At least in its base-era.
I'd try to make some counterpoint but the Wyvern is almost exactly "what if we put half of a Stalker's weaponry on a mech half the weight" or "what if a medium mech was both a griffin and a wolverine" and as such is really hard to criticize.
Great video as always Red. This is one of my favorite medium mechs, I'm so glad you gave it the honest treatment it deserves. This is a hidden gem in its weight class.
If nothing else it looks cool. Haven't seen it before. Definitely would like to see a redesign.
I used the newer "Prototype" art for the thumbnail.
The Wyvern looks... horrid. lol
The one pictured is the newer art... the older art is some of the worst in Battletech. But from a pure game-play standpoint, I have always loved the design.
It's art for the experimental model, ie, a prototype. It's not the mainline Wyvern sadly :(
@@BigRed40TECH Hopefully it get's a new model in the next kickstarter
I personally like the Skinny atlas look.
Hope to see this one in bta
I know it's in Roguetech and I think BTA uses the same community model pack a lot of the time so I think it IS in BTA.
And all I got was a blackjack 1 as an inheritance...
Too bad. WIsh you got the Wyvern :P
I wonder if we will see some of the first mechs that the clans made after the pentagon wars, but didn't show up in the invasion? Like the shelved ones... I think the Mandril was one.
Not for a long time.
Different but good, multiple uses all around a good mech and adaptable.
Another great Battletech video.
Thanks again!
Why is it that when describing a mech people always say "but it gets the job done"? Yeah no shit, their all built to get the job done!
Some mechs do not get the job done. XD
@@BigRed40TECH then why keep em around dude.
@@lordmortos979 Because they have contracts yo.
Could someone give me a playlist of Big red's music? I have been binging their videos and its all so nice to have playing in background
Ever wanted to drive the medical droid from Empire Strikes Back? Good news, then!
Trooper?
I'm here to kill bugs
Damn right.
The art that's shown most of the video reminds me of Kamen Rider for some reason.
I think the lines on the original art are supposed to represent scales, but to me it just looks like someone casted a fishing net onto it lol
Yeah, it could use a little freshening up, even by the standards of it's time.
I have seen a lot of these painted to look like C3-PO
Another Mech i'd love to see on MWO.
Cool (12) mech. Good.
This is an impressive mech though I can kinda see why it's not considered a breat front liner. It's simply too valuable to be thrown willy-nilly at anything and everything that is smaller than a Atlis.
We Gundam now!
I said we gundam now!
How is it I have never heard of this mech, or it's Clan II-C refit?
This is exactly the type of mech I would highly prize in my unit(s), especially the Clan II-C refit.
I tend to overlook the Wyvern even though it's a perfectly good Mech. Guess that's due to it's rarity. I should really give it more consideration.
It's also ugly as sin. lol
@@BigRed40TECH That probably didn't help.
@@BigRed40TECH so is the A-10... Good weapon systems earn their cool aesthetic points only after demonstrating their effectiveness.
@@BigRed40TECH 😂 was about to comment how much I like the look of this mech.
Are you a wizard?! I had never heard of this mech but today I got a headshot off on it and got a royal one in BTA.
I wouldn’t bet on Wyvern with a large laser against CN9-AL
That'd be real close.
Well get the seats and popcorn,looks like we got a match! Someone get the camera crews.
Far as a city fighter. It's bigger, faster, and more armored than a Urbanmech. Scarier than the Urbie in most ways that count. Indirect LRM fire is nothing to sneeze at.
the designs range from bionicle to pacific rim jaeger lol
Yea, it's rough.
The better Vindicator, but never did it into PC games.
The Wyvern is undertonnage at 45tons, its slow for a any mech under 80tons at 64kph maximum speed, and its odd in appearance.
That said its quite heavily armed for its tonnage.
Its a shame that the variants are few and limited. None of them mount larger engines to improve the Wyvern's speed.
Wyvern IIC is a clan update to the old Wyvern. It still doesnt do anything about the original Wyvern's speed issue. Instead it focuses on even greater firepower. It packs a lot of firepower for a relatively low cost.
Yeah, it's not fast, but it's the same speed as tried and true mechs like the Panther and Vindicator so it has it's place.
@@DShiflet01 I dont like those either. For that speed I would rather have Heavy Mech like a Catapult.
@@ChaosTicket Heavy mechs are more expensive(in terms of both c-bills and battle value), it's rarely a case of you get to pick between 1 or the other unless you're just having random tabletop duels.
@@DShiflet01 If youre talking about Battle Value then random tabletop duels is exactly where youre playing, so why say that?
@@ChaosTicket Huh? If you're doing random duels BV doesn't matter, it's just each person picks their mech and fight. Well, unless you and your opponent have some specific rule like "both player's mech must be within a certain BV of each other."
I have never heard of this thing, but I like it a lot. The 5N might be my favorite 45 ton mech straight from the line.
A brand new mech to me and it feels like something I would benefit from having.
am i just not seeing it, or did you not do the Highlander?
highlander is next week. It's gonna be a longer video. This week the assault will be the Crockett.
What on it back?
You’d it and love it
Wait. A 45 tonner has how much armor...?
...Huh?
That's a lot of armour.
I think Wyvern and all I can think is the dad bod in TR2750. Thoroughly underwhelming. In urban fights its good, but its not my style. I prefer sniping and harassing and if this was caught in the open, it would be dead. Yet you play to your strengths and not your weaknesses. Up close it would ravage a Griffin, but at range the Griffin would be calling the shots. Not a fan, but it has its place. I do wonder why many of the TR2750 mechs are a bit meeh.
I dunno. I think the Wyvern outcompetes most of its peers with the same speed profile in its time.
@@BigRed40TECHIt could buddy with the Hunchback, but it just doesnt have the wow factor for me. It doesnt look cool and the Wyvern has the reliability and sex appeal of a people mover. You just know that the PHX mechwarrior gets all the chicks, while the Wyvern MW is his frumpy tubby sidekick.
@@wheturangi Personally I really like the looks of some of the art, either the more chunky one or the skinny spooky one. Or the heroic looking IIC. Well, heroic as anything with a flamethrower can look.
The Wyvern is looking HORRIBLE in most depictions IMO. Only the Matt Plog version looks good IMO.
Biggest issue of this model is the lack of speed, given that mechs were created to make warfare even MORE mobile, that´s a severe disadvantage.
However it has a great weapons loadout, capable of fighting at almost every range bracket.
Good thing it has jump jets, or it would be far too easy to deal with.
Получается он не хуже машин кланов?
Well, it's not as good as a Clan mech, but it's still pretty good.
I'm really sick of Star League era mechs that don't have double heat sinks that would benefit greatly from them. With only 12 heat sinking capability the mech runs a little hot. If the Wyvern had double heat sinks, it would free up 2 more tons for weapons at small increase in price and eliminate all heat concerns. Since the mech is already heavily armored 2 medium lasers would be a good idea. Or scrap one of the missile systems for a second large laser or PPC.
Also placing 2 missile systems on the mech, then placing 1 ton of ammo in each torso with CASE seems like a waste of half a ton. Should slap both sets of ammo in a single torso and CASE only that one. This does make me think the Succession era 6N was designed first and the CASE and armor were used to offset the weight savings from the Endosteel frame. Honestly not sure what to use the extra half ton on, which could be the reason the designer used 2 CASE, but that just seems to be a way to make the mech more vulnerable to ammo explosions.
The Wyvern is a capable mech, but it misses out on some easy gains.
Double Heatsinks = Money.
And in 2660, it was not always seen as an automatic install for the cash.
@@BigRed40TECH Double Heatsinks cost about 6k each. 60k C-bills in a mech that costs several million is a no-brainer move. This isn't like we're designing the Urban Mech II.
I'd agree if the mech couldn't overheat, like if your primary weapon was a Gauss. For a design like the Wyvern? Making the overall mech 5% better by using double heat sinks and investing in more weapons is going to drive more sales. Especially since the cost difference is only going to be $140k for 2 extra medium lasers and the double heat sink upgrade. I didn't even refund the 6k spent on the single heat sinks.
Double heatsinks are the most game-breaking lostech. Ten tons of sinks you can't even lose if your mech gets torn in two, and more free weight vs singles if you actually need to install more than 10. Endo steel can't match that kind of value until the mech hits 100 tons. Even an XL engine won't cough up 10 tons of weight savings until it's above the rating most Succession Wars era mechs can fit ... and then there's that thing where your machine goes down very shortly after any of your torso armor is penetrated.
Something really cool MW5 changed is that your 10 core engine heatsinks are always singles. Doubles are great if you can lay hands on them at all, but don't change the game from Battletech to Zeta Gundam.
I've always dismissed the Wyvern for its design, it doesn't really live up to its draconic name, looking more like a Raypunk fembot lol. Only now have I realized how it performs practically, looks could truly be deceiving
It's a vicious killer on the battlefield. The Wyvern, especially in SL tech or Introtech, is a devastating nightmare.
Long range weapons on an “urban” fighter doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
LRM's are great for indirect fire and support for fellow fighters in the city, and its large laser hurts at any range with no minimums to be fair.
It seems I’ve been underestimating this seemingly boring mech!
The image of the wve-5n image... uuuuuuu nooooo Ugly as..... FUGLY just damn FUGLY!