Increase SPIN and SPEED on loops!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- This video talks about the body mechanics in Table Tennis to increase spin and speed with forehand and backhand loops. this video also talks about other topics I am currently practicing to keep improving my game!
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Another great video. Thanks. Im enjoyed. Im recommended your channel to my friends.
Hi Seth, thank you for the clear explanation of which muscles need to wind up with tension and which ones need to remain loose. I am a low level player and benefit from your relaxed, clear presentation. Your channel focuses on topics others don’t touch on so much.
Thank you! Glad you found this useful I wanted to fill in the gaps that other channels do not discuss!
This was one of the BEST videos on TB technics. It was REALLY helpful!! Sincerely thanks!!! 🙏🏼
Thank you! im glad you think so highly of the video! I will make more for sure!
Wow... like if there is a tournament for most informative TT channel, you would win it hands down.
Please keep up the good work Seth!
Thank you! I’m glad to hear it, I’ll be making more videos soon!
Really like the depth, scope, presentation, excellence, and friendliness of your videos!
Thank you! Ill keep that in mind when making new ones!
You're definitely gonna be big someday.
Thank you my friend🙏, that would be pretty cool :)
He already is for me :)
Wonderful video! I will follow this guide for my practice. Thank you !
Great to hear! Hope it shows improvement for you!
I love your video. Very informative and logical
Like the tip on backhand serve and planning of game ahead..
Yes it’s a big part of the game that you can improve to gain an advantage on your opponents, especially if you switch up your serves they will likely play reactively and give you the same return the next time.
Thanks Seth & also the theory behind it & the micro details on how it all comes together & breaking it down also the video pointers definitely helped 🏓💯👀🙏🏽🤙🏽😎Novice Sydney keep it coming please Bro.
Thank you! Im glad my way of presenting the information works for you! I will keep it up :)
This is the video I enjoyed most in your channel. It has really helped me to develop a difficult to return backhand loop and in a matter of one week. Even my trainer is impressed with the quality. The relaxation and "whip" is key. Many other youtubers tried to explain it, but I didn't catch it until I saw your demonstration. Good teaching skills!
My 2 cents on topics I would love you to consider, with your recommended exercices for practicing:
* Blocking: active blocking of topspin serves, blocking like Waldner, some chopping...
* Playing very close to the table: While I can play reasonably well far from the table. I struggle a lot when I am forced to play close. I tend to have very long movements and I would like to shorten them for this situation. I think it's quite common.
* Serves: It would be amazing to see your angle on explaining the different serves, although many people does it over youtube. Maybe you can collaborate with table tennis junkie that doesn't have a lot of subscribers but did a lot of videos on the topic.
* How to know what is the next step to polish in your training: Basically how to perceive your most important weak point to give it some priority.
* Hiding intentions: Be it on a serve, block or loop, how to hide what you are going to do until it's too late for the oponent.
* Playing styles analysis: left handed, pen holder, defensive, etc...
* Playing styles tactics: How to play against this different styles
* How and when to change playing style during a match.
I am sure I will think on a lot more! Thanks for your effort!
Hi that’s great that my video was able to improve your backhand!! I like your ideas for videos! I have touched in many of them in my matches I have played but not done a formal organized well thought out version like the ones you are thinking of, I know Joey the Table Tennis Junkie guy, that would be fun to collaborate with him.
@@PechPongTT Great! I will be expecting those!
It's true that in the matches analysis that you do you are answering some of the questions, but sometimes knowing the whys give more confidence.
I thought about other two topics to consider:
* specific body conditioning routine for table tennis. I saw one in the videos but it would be amazing to have one that we can follow in real time. I really loved the elastic band exercise and I am trying to use the band for other things too along with a TRX. I don't like very much to use weights, but this is personal.
* When you do the match analysis it would be nice to get two of the situations and explain them with details and slow motion like you do in the more specific info videos. But I understand it's a lot of work to do that.
Thank you for the amazing content one more time!
Great video - again :-)
I would really like you to make a video About the physical training for table tennis. When I do tournaments I start out winning a lot but halfway into the tournaments I get physically tired and start losing.
How do I create a work out so I don’t get tired?
Wow. Some of this info I have heard recently from my trainer. Very useful.
Great! Glad you found it useful!
Great video!
Thank you!! glad you liked it :)
Thank you! Golden content. Btw it would be really awesome if you can show us all those amazing frames of different players you got there. Can you maybe show us in the beginning of the next video?
Thats awesome that you noticed them, my dad actually took those when we went to the european top 12 he is a photographer and was able to get a pass to go up close to them!
@@PechPongTT amazing!
Really cool@@PechPongTT
thx u very much sir
No problem glad you like the videos :)
Hi ,my name is Frank M. , I would like to know is your techniques you use in your strokes forehand , backhand is more european western style or chinese style or both combine together , just wondering , can you let all of who maybe wondering ,I especially wondering styles in different people s styles . Put in your future videos Please , Love you videos .....
Hey Seth, love your videos on theory. I hope you're doing well!
Was watching your backhand around 4:40 and I thought there's more potential there. I feel like there's a lot of force wasted through the upwards movement of the elbow. Especially on semilong balls, you can generate much more spin and spin with the elbow snapping forward and kept at almost net height. I see Ma Long do that a lot and I've never seen his elbow that heigh on semilong backhands over the table unless he does a banana flick really close to the net.
Let me know what you think about that or if there's a reason why you choose to do otherwise. Would be great to know.
Hi, thanks for the input, some good thoughts here ☝️ I have been slowly trying to get my stroke to be more back to forwards and not so much up to down, I think it was because I had such a closed angle when I started and the only way to get the ball over the net was by lifting a lot, so some of that is still in there. As far as a high elbow I feel better when my elbow is higher as opposed to lower because I’m not the tallest person and when higher balls come it lets me hit them. (Nothing worse than edges!)
@@PechPongTT Fair enough. I have exactly the same problem and I think now I overdo it with the low elbow. Really forcing myself to hit more forward. Keep up the good work!
We keep working 📈
Nice
Thanks!!
hi, could you do a video about how to have spinny serves? btw thx for the tips
No problem glad you like them. That’s an interesting topic I will how to think about how to present that.
great! can you share what is your racket setup?
Viscaria with Mx-p on both sides!
Hi Seth, great video. Concerning the last segment of your video, how would you adapt that strategy for a left-handed player?
I have a much stronger (spinnier, easier to change placement, faster) backhand serve than forehand. Other than practicing my fh serve, what else can I do to ensure my opponent doesn't have a strong second ball?
This is a good question it’s different for lefty players the fh serve wide to the fh is the traditional route. I will dig into it and see if I can find a backhand serve strategy similar to what I talk about in mine.
Man to be honest Left handed players don’t really do too many backhand serves at the higher level, I know karakasevic uses the backhand serve, but you have to have an amazing backhand. Do you feel comfortable playing backhand loops? If I were you I would try serving it off the backhand side to see if they will loop it up right to your forehand. Let me know how that works or doesn’t work!
@@PechPongTT Thanks for the reply, Seth!
I can definitely do a fh serve, and while I can place them wherever, I lack a lot of speed and spin variation (mostly dead spin).
What do you mean by serving off the backhand side? Do you mean serving to my opponent's backhand? And after they open up with their backhand, I use my forehand to counterloop/attack the third ball?
@@josephnam4726 Yeah try to develop a good forehand serve if you send me some videos over instagram I can look at them and see if there are a few pointers I could give you.
I mean you could try to serve your backhand serve off the side to a right handed players backhand and see if you loop up a nice one for you to counterloop with your forehand. you might have to test around to find the breaking point where they decide to loop instead of push.
The half-long serve going off the side of the table isn't usually mentioned in table tennis tutorials but I think it's one of the most useful serves you can do, at least at low-intermediate level, where the receiver usually makes a weak return because of the uncertainty and the difficulty to attack that ball.
Yes it’s a great serve, makes it hard to keep it short as well as making your opponent have to focus on the depth which will take away focus on other parts of the game.
@@PechPongTT I began to practice it this week. Maybe it's one of the serves with the highest "difficulty for the receiver / difficulty for the server" ratio.
I was wondering about how much backspin to put in it. Maybe too much backspin isn't worth it, because a simple push would give you back a lot of backspin too, making it difficult to attack. Whereas a slight backpsin would force the opponent to take more risks pushing if he doesn't want to leave an easy / high ball.
@@RobertoCostas good thoughts, I also think it’s one of the risk to reward ratio kind of serves, I would say in the past my mistakes have been to expect that my serve is so tight that they will freeze up and push it, now I serve the serve expecting fully that they will attack and then I adjust when they end up pushing, also I have experimented with the spin ratios and if you are serving off the end medium long super heavy backspin is important because better players just rip light spin, if you go off the side then it’s ok to have side spin as long as it’s low, if it’s topspin maybe your opponent will rip it over the table full swing.
I have a tendency to start tightening after the 2nd-3rd loops, Im primarily a "flat hitter" but now I am training my loop more and the 10,000 hour rule applies when you get older, I spent close to the last two years beating up the robot especially backhands non stop 6 days a week including serves...lol! and it messed up my match play bad...I put it away untill next winter and now I am starting to win again at the club my level is rising.
Good to hear keep practicing, figure out what works and what does not and move forward 📈
Hi Pech! Thanks! :-) and which Asics do you use?
They are called hyperbeat Sp2 I really like them, unfortunately they are not being sold so many places anymore.
That what i needet. I was wondering how i get more power into my shots. Before i did all with my arms no wip motion. I tried moving my hip first and felt the difference. Now all i need to is to train it =D
Glad to hear it 💪
Really practice session tutorial was very helpful. Playing BH 2 BH, I am so confident. While my partner switching over "down the line", I am not able to cover or play from perfect position. How to overcome this issue. Whether I ve to watch the ball or opponent bat angle 🏓
thank you glad you found the video helpful, I believe that if you want to be good at the switch you have to keep an eye on your opponent to see his body language and racket angle, it takes practice but it is what needs to be done haha
Some time ago I have seen video where coach was saying that at Chinese players practice serve and receive as a first thing when they are still fresh. What do you think about that.
I like that idea i always felt my mind is sharp in the morning and my body takes some time to warm up haha
Sir, please make foot movement drill while playing. i mean how to improve foot movement while playing. what is correct method of foot movement. how we can develop it with slow practice and later in one moth good foot movement.
I really like that idea maybe I can have a student and work many different drills and in month you can see all the progress
Are you doing any specific CNS training for reflex speed?
Hi yes if you are referring to Central nervous system training for reflex speed I suppose I do many! What drills do you have in mind?? I’m open to new ideas 💡
@@PechPongTT I hoping you would share some. I currently use a simple CNS tap test to prevent over-training, but I was curious what the TT community might use for reflex/firing speed.
I've been playing Eleven Table Tennis in VR, the edge serve doesn't work, unless my opponent has a real table in front of them. VR is great for practice, but some things aren't the same.
Thats a great game I love the idea of being able to play table tennis in VR your right tho maybe its hard for the developers to incorporate all the fine details into the game.
how do you play balls that are served off side of the table?
i miss almost every serve and am puzzled how to tacke it.
Jiri Martinko and I made a video about that, maybe you can find the answers your looking for in that video! If you click my channel and my videos you can maybe see, it was recent one
@@PechPongTT sure
What criteria do you use for determining how many repetitions or how much time you dedicate to a certain skill? E.g. 500 forehand loops/practice?
For me and how I see improvement now, I value quality much more than quantity so maybe in the past when I was learning the strokes I would do many more reps to learn the feelings and movements of the body. Now I’m more focused on the variations and maintaining good technique while I do those with full focus on quality.
@@PechPongTT this makes sense. Do you have an idea of what formula got you to this point? Eg say you wanted to learn a completely new stroke, what would that programming look like from start to mastery?
Hi Seth, your videos help me alot. But I have a problem... I cannot choose my playing style. Please help me.
Why don’t you send me a video of your match over instagram, Sethdan is my username
@@PechPongTT okay thanks I will send to you immediately.
I feel you could use more body on your backhand. Squat more and rise forward more. Backswing as you rise forward. Ma Long adds a right rotation to the squat and rise forward motion. I feel you could gain 20% more power if you use your body more.
Hi thanks for the observation ! I agree this would give more power rotation and more squat does that. I think not too long ago I was experimenting with going down more with the body and I was trying to add the rotation and it was all too much so I just stuck with bending my knees a little. But maybe now that I feel comfortable with the bending I can add the rotation you are talking about as well as the other things. Thanks!!
@@PechPongTT What I use to teach the backhand body movement to my students is to get a old bat and I used some hard foam cut at a 45 degree wedge behind the bat. Attach the bat to the chest using fitness band. So it faces the table using forward lean.
Then they have to hit the ball using their chest with the backhand stance against the robot. Do this for 2 weeks and then add the stroke. I tell them to delay the stroke as long as possible so the back whip goes as the body is going forward.
Wow that’s a such a great teaching technique! I can really see how that develops the feeling you are looking to develop! I’ll have to look into that 🙏 thank you for sharing!
Most of my ideas come from a pro coach Brett Clark. I have added some ideas of my own. Have you thought of doing a mini forehand loop when time lacking or close to the table based a bit on Timos shot? Huge spin and speed from 45% rotation with a delayed backswing? Delaying the backswing is Brett Clark's new mantra. In my opinion, this is cutting edge technique.
That’s an interesting idea (delaying the backswing) and yes I have thought and practiced much of the small loops like Timo in the last 2 months, I am trying to install it into my game instead of just blocking and it’s really starting to work itself In
You blade and rubbers?
Hi I use Viscaria with Dignics 09C both sides
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Your form is very much like FZD
He’s one of my favorite players so maybe I copied a little of his technique haha