@@residentfailure9615 Yeah, Konami had enough with Kojima delaying the game to finish. He's a perfectionist but he's also absurdly slow. They needed the game out before Christmas, and with the scene (and who knows how much of the actual gameplay battle) only 30% finished, they finally pulled the plug and had them release it as-is, buttoned up as best it could be. Heck, I'm just glad this exists to be seen, along with the nuclear disarmament trigger scene.
@@squidgybuffalo you realize konamie erased kojimas name and group? and they made """"""""mgs""""""" survive? nah, they better dont touch that if you ask me
@@ultramegaman555 Pretty sure the team could finish cutscene animations 🙄 Unfortunately I didn't take a side in the whole Kojima Konami ordeal because from a business perspective he put them in a dangerous place moneywise going millions over budget I'd have fired him too. Unfortunately Konami's bad business practice affected all its teams hence why so many people were fired and quit. It was a bad situation overall and the outcome was terrible. Unfortunately MGS5 as it exists now is something I find exorbitantly shit, which breaks my heart as MGS was demonstrably my favourite series till 5 came out.
I love how you can tell that venom really relates to Eli at the end because he himself is just a clone of another sort trapped by fate. They are the same.
@@AA-ff8xg I'm pretty sure he did at the "end" of MGSV, which would have been before this cutscene/Mission. There is that whole "The Man Who Sold The World" mission where you play through the first mission again but it is revealed that we (venom snake) were the medic who got blown up in the chopper and was made to be the stunt double in that hospital.
@@AA-ff8xg he does. During the course of the game he slowly comes to the realization, as he was supposed to. It is explained at the end of "the man who sold the world" mission.
@@linkholder The Man Who Sold the World should've definitely be the last mission after THAT one. They just put it as the way to quickly wrap it since the game is unfinished.
I remember color blindness being mentioned in one of the early cassette tapes. I wondered if that would ever pop up in the gameplay... I guess this is what they were setting up?
"I'm Free, I'll break the curse of my heritage!" -> *Spend the rest of his life fulfilling his interpretation of his fathers world view and dies from a genetic disease*
@Michael Aaron Harris Naomi : You mustn't allow yourself to be chained to fate, to be ruled by your genes. Human beings can choose the kind of life that they want to live. What's important is that you choose life... and then live.
@Michael Aaron Harris not really Liquid Snake is the perfect clone of big boss, When he was being held by the cipher he was told that he was inferior one and he believed it. Ocelot said it all after completing MGS1
I literally just finished MGSV & I’m confused, pissed & felt like I just was hung & dried lol I want more. I absolutely love this game & im kicking myself since I waited so damn long to play it. I want to know what happens to QUIET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
quiet? she died in the desert i guess cuz she had one of the english vocal parasites and since she spoke english to save venom snake, u know what happens
fun fact: if you completed the stage avoiding Eli's shot, the final cutscene is replaced by an ironic reinterpretation of "familly matters" with Eli and BB.
Even at 30% complete the camera work makes it all feel so real and grounded. Kojimas plots are contrived but he definitely can tell a story with just his camera work.
Fun fact about the camera work: the guy that covers the camera at 13:13 is probably placed there in order to hide the switch in Eli's jacket model. It is way easier to just cover the screen for a moment and quickly change the model than to actually animate it!
@@prestonrutherford873 Agree, contrived would imply they're poorly written. But alot of his stories don't really feel all that forced to me. (Well, most of the time.)
you know what would of been maybe a cool mission though a sad one, an epilogue where its MG1 but in the perspective of Venom, but the player has no idea what is going on and likely getting angry that something/someone is going around killing your men and destroying your expensive equipment. Finally after a while you track down the perpetuator turning out to be Solid Snake who beats you and destroys the metal gear and Outer Heaven. The quarantine mission having to kill your own men was hard enough imagine witnessing everything you spent time and effort being slowly destroyed.
I always thought the game should've ended with the player taking control of a young Solid Snake and you, the player have to destroy Venom's legacy, the legacy that you created. But your suggestion would have been awesome!
Cause Kojima not only God knows when would stop(the MGS V we got already cost a shittone, and how much wasn't finished, that's not including ground zero). He was also for entire mgs v making was not fucking doing his job, he was traveling around the world, giving interviews and saying how great the game is. Probably taking the money from the budget for the travels
@@maaax5092 I’ve never read so many bullshit in a single comment. If Konamy want earn easy money from slot machine and gacha game it isnt Kojima fault. Mgs v has the proprer budget of whatever AAA games of this generation.
Would have been so great to have all the soldiers you recruited fight alongside you. Show the player what he achieved. Just like in Shadow of Mordor when you fight your nemesis in the final assault.
Yes that would have been a sick final mission...you as snake with your soldier's...about 2 or 3 pequod gunships In the air... tanks and d walkers on the ground for support...all on one battlefield... would have been sick to see that on screen
I know I'm late but Imagine Solid Snake getting on mother base and taking out all your staff members, and you and your men are just being hunted down and the mission ends with us, Venom Snake, dying. That would have been nuts to play.
He's the deus ex machina of this game, I swear. I like it and all but he definitely could've been nerfed or given some sort of weakness. No one rarely mentions him and he's there for a convenient plot device. You would think a floating kid with unlimited mental powers that can teleport at will and is an easy cure to the parasites would be top priority on everyone's shit list.
@@Reoko77 hus power was waning after his encounter with solid snake. Solid snake bloodlust memory was enough to make psycho mantis tremble with fear. Solid snake is the true villain of metal gear.
@@nrnjn8547 Snake struggled against some of the weakest Metal Gears in the series, but Raiden was able to take on 25 Metal Gear Rays (the best Metal Gear in the series) in MGS2 by himself, and then in MGR he cuts them apart with his sword like they're nothing. You could definitely argue that Snake is the better soldier overall, but Raiden seems to have the edge when it comes to fighting Metal Gears. On top of that, Snake was still only able to fight Vamp to a draw in their first fight in MGS2, whereas Raiden defeated Vamp every time they fought (although Vamp just kept getting back up again).
@@heresy8384 thing is. Metal gear ray was never better than Rex. Rex was always better than Ray. Ray was more agile. So no snake defeated the stronger metal gear
@@nrnjn8547 Facts. Although with a small caveat. RAY was designed to be the "Anti-Metal Gear" meaning it was designed to destroy other Metal Gears and its subsidiaries, making RAY technically beat out REX. In terms of destructive ability REX wins hands down...it was designed to hold a nuke and have the ability to launch from anywhere. RAY is more agile and has the hydro-beam cutter (which requires a decent amount of water intake) it's aquatic and easier to maneuver and rotate as it walks on stumps. Meanwhile REX was built like a tank with defensives in mind since it's rather slow and clunky and its main function was to launch a nuke (acting as a mobile launch pad). It was intended to be the first iteration of many designs but ended up being the only one ever created. Smaller Gears were created and sold to the rest of the world as apart of the war economy explained in MGS4.
You don't know. That was just the end of act 2. There was supposed to be a third act that woul tie into discovering Gray Fox, the creation of the Land Outer Heaven.
@@Nivelle_le_Gris I personally don't believe Act Three was ever supposed to exist. Like, it's called "Peace" - leaving it out of the game deliberately seems like the kind of thing Kojima would have done.
This would have been the absolute full circle moment for the game, and arguably the franchise. "That's right. Don't blame yourself. Blame ME." All of Liquid's hatred for Big Boss encapsulated right at that moment. And Konami fucked it up by not letting Kojima finish it.
@@Nivelle_le_Gris at most I think those plans for chapter 3 were scrapped early on. If it was truly meant to be in the game there would be evidence of it just like this mission.
@@RandalfElVikingo that’s actually a lie, they had promised him a budget and he was actually keeping it under that budget and they then kept cutting that budget down more and more. Kojima wasting resources is a meme, he knows how to stay within budget (usually under it) also, they kept rushing development when they had given him a certain date and again he was pushing to have it done by that date but they kept shortening the time so he had to release it unfinished. Since he knew they weren’t going to be done in time he changed focus to polishing up the gameplay and cut all this stuff out, showing that even when he’s screwed over he and his team still tried to deliver quality (which in my opinion they did).
@J H bro, why is kojima to blame? I already stated how the production went? It’s ok if you don’t like kojima or his games but don’t just say “well he’s to blame more!” Just because you don’t like him. That just makes you look ignorant. Just say, well I don’t like him and the game was not good and that’s it. Don’t make up weird stuff. Come on, be an adult.
All these years later, I come here and still cannot understand why they cut this from the game. May not have been needed for the ending but extremely vital for the plot of this game and the overall MGS story
Kojima and Konami just couldn't get on the same page. Konami wanted the game to be released on their time and Kojima was asking for too much money for the game.
@@carnage2512 but mega games were known to be a massive profit, and Konami was swimming in cash, not to mention them decreasing his budget and time to perfect a game, perfection= money, the more perfect it is, the more will buy, the more people buy, the more it’s talked about, and repeat, Kohima was a video game genius, and if they had put some faith into the process, they could have made much more, it’s like a cake taking 1 hour to make, but you want it in 30 minutes, but you don’t raise the temperature, so all you have is a half baked cake, and complain about the cake being half baked
@@prestonrutherford873 An "Ending", sure, where Eli and Sahelanthropus disappear into the great blue and nobody knows or cares about it. Obviously there's an ending but it's not satisfying whatosever.
As much as I hate Eli, I really do feel bad for him. The poor little bastard litterally *never* knew anything but the pain of war. That would fuck anybody up. It's even more heart-wrenching that Konami didn't let Hideo Kojima finish the game.
@@sexygamergirl6075 But does that really matter when the games always make a fuck ton more back to where they'll always make a huge profit on it? It's not wasteful if it's to complete the product. Now they're stuck with pachinko machines that are losing their popularity in Japan
@@gretathuumberg Wouldn't be legal for a lawsuit, the creator most likely wouldn't be making any money off of it and the law is (at least I think) "if they aren't making any money from the derivative/fangame of your game/copyrighted thing, you can't legally take their derivative project down or send them a cease and desist order and sue them if they do not comply" Of course, the creator of the Dreams thing could just decide to take it down out of respect for Konami, but they aren't legally obligated to- unless, like I said, they were somehow making money from it
Venom Snake: Don't blame yourself. Blame me. Liquid Snake: I'll kill you!! Big Boss: Let it go... My son... I'm not here to fight... or should I called you brother? Solid Snake: What?...
Actually Its more like the original Sahelantroplus mission in Afghanistan but in another location and with a stronger Sahelantroplus which I assume harder to defeat
I really wish this was the real Big Boss and not his phantom, starting the game off with him saying he doesn’t care about David or Eli, then having this scene where he’s genuinely upset at the thought of having killed his son would’ve created an awesome extra layer to the relationship between Big Boss and Liquid Snake, a relationship that is extremely important for the rest of the series.
@@paveesfox375 They're kids that he didn't want, that Zero forced him to have. It's not really evil. Big Boss is more of a tragic figure than a villain.
I want to see how people would've reacted to THIS ending if it was fully completed and implemented. Also that ending shot of the New York skyline... Weird how the presence of two buildings can be harrowing.
Why we still watching, just to suffer. I’ll never forgive konami for stopping hideo kojima finishing this game. Every now and then I get videos about this last mission in my recommend in my youtube. And everytime I do watch them and after each time I watch them I get phantoms pains because this game could have been so much more than what it is, even better.
Imagine what that game could've been.. not only it was missing that last chapter, but if you notice there weren't many cutscenes and cinematics in the game, instead they put the bulk of the storyline on cassette tapes.. All of the previous MGS games had long and involved cinematic scenes.. Not this one tho.. there were a couple but not on MGS4 or MGS3 level.
This mission is the only time a character talks in a way that feels like Metal Gear with Eli talking about his genes. And it’s not even in the fucking game. What a huge disappointment
As good a game TPP was it would have been an infinitely better game if they just added a few more things like more missions indoors and more use of the open world and also included the cut scene and the last fight in the game.
This game is a fake "open world" . Basically 2 small maps being stretch by empty fields with no civilians or anything whatsoever so we have to waste tons of hours travelling these empty fields, just to give impression that its huge open world while its not. Every missions and outposts are copy paste stuff. Even has same dialogues over and over "Yea I remember him....he left... 9 years ago"
@@vicrattlehead6386 I agree there should have been some civilians or NPCs as they are called just roaming the area and also more indoor places where you can infiltrate. The game had so much unused potential.
@@truthspillaz2 The gameplay is fine, but storyline , the map & basically the overall design are just flat & boring. It has big potential but I think Kojima fallout with Konami certainly played big part on it. Yea, it lacks nps / civilians or many other stuff that could have filled those empty spaces. Even the vehicles are pretty useless and feels like a gimmicky stuff, so does the motherbase.
see this is why I don't buy the whole "the game is finished, you guys just won't stop complaining for no reason, think of the developers, it's insulting to them to say the game isn't done", bro the concept art and even the recorded voice lines are clear evidence this game was going to keep going.
i love how Eli and the Boys are based on Lord of the Flies, my fave book. The boy Eli kills is Ralph, the main character of said book who was gonna be beheaded by the savage boys. Even the mission is known as Kingdom of the Flies
I'm surprised how not many people are talking about the fact that this whole level is just Shadow Moses in miniature! Right down Eli's strategy: Hold the world hostage on an island fortress, with a nuclear-armed Metal Gear (Shaped like Rex), in exchange for Big Boss's body. We even have Infected XOF Scouts substituting as Liquid's Genome Army! Now, I don't claim to know exactly what Hideo Kojima was thinking, but in terms of game design: this would probably play like a bigger, louder, faster version of "The End" boss fight from MGS3. We might be here awhile... Let's review the story of this chapter: We have three armies: (Diamond Dogs, Cipher, and Eli's infected XOF scouts) all fighting each other from every angle imaginable, with booby-traps and ambushes strewn everywhere. Snake has to fight his way around XOF, Parasite troops, and child soldiers (which he also has to rescue), while dodging traps, destroying enemy helicopters, trucks and tanks, AND a fully-piloted Metal Gear! There's no way the player could do this alone, so he'd would have to summon the full might of DD. Calling air-strikes, reinforcements, supply drops, Huey's Battle-Gear, etc. throwing every single resource the player has developed over the entire game! Ocelot really had a good point at 8:11. It's as if Eli and Snake really are fighting THE WHOLE WORLD. And we haven't even talked about Sahelanthropus. Which will be faster, meaner, and more powerful. Using its whole arsenal to dispatch troops and vehicles quickly and efficiently. Like it's metallic archaea from this concept art at 8:48. There seems to be an important emphasis on that weapon in particular because it could instantly render all vehicles on the map totally useless (Except Huey's Battle-Gear tank)! The only way to defeat Metal Gear in this iteration would be to injure or tranquilize Mantis FIRST at 8:58. Then you grind away at Metal Gear's armor with rockets and explosives, maybe even running Eli through some of his own traps. So Eli will be running and jumping all over the island, ambushing Snake at every turn. Rescuing the Child Soldiers would help guide the player around the map to explore the tiny island, so they can salvage weapons and ammo. Eventually, the epic boss fight has to conclude with Snake defeating Metal Gear near a beach. Snake then has to fight his way toward the wreckage 9:02, to find Eli- who was thrown from blast 9:03. When Snake finally reaches the wreckage, we get the final cutscene at 9:19. End, Roll Credits. Story / Planning / Game Design by Hideo Kojima
Irony here the REAL Big Boss never interacted with Eli aka Liquid Snake, Venom was just the double medic brainwashed to think like Big Boss our Avatar who Solid Snake kills in the first Metal Gear game on the MSX console.
Konami could have taken the time to actually finish this scene, added some additional content and released it as free or premium DLC. Instead they release Metal Gear Survival. Think about that.
Release it as paid DLC and people would be pissed and wouldn't buy it. MG Survive they reused assets and profited from it. No brainer really, and you can't blame them. They're a business trying to make money.
Late but this is the 2ed time a Kojima game was missing its third act/epilog ( that I know of) first time was snatcher it took years before the third act came out if I heard the history right.
I really hope Konami does a 10-year anniversary thing where they release the completed cut episode as a DLC or something, this genuinely has the potential to be one of the greatest missions in any game ever
Once again I am here for the 50th time since 2015 lost for words that this game wasn't finished. Even worse Konami didn't let him finish THIS mission that was so close to be done... You feel it too, don't you?
Big bosses kids keep trying to kill him Its even more crazy when you realized he tried to help liquid . But liquid had too much hate . Also kid psycho mantis I tend to forget is in this game lol... And that he had red hair. I like the fact he saved liquid . they must have been good budies . I wonder what happened to the other children ?
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Instead of extreme Sahelanthropus, we should have got this
We were going to but then some shit happened with publishing
This is supposed to play out but the game became incompleted and we got what we got
5 years and it still hurts.
I agree this wouldve been way cooler and more fun
@@residentfailure9615 Yeah, Konami had enough with Kojima delaying the game to finish. He's a perfectionist but he's also absurdly slow. They needed the game out before Christmas, and with the scene (and who knows how much of the actual gameplay battle) only 30% finished, they finally pulled the plug and had them release it as-is, buttoned up as best it could be.
Heck, I'm just glad this exists to be seen, along with the nuclear disarmament trigger scene.
It's so disappointing he never got to finish the game. It was so meant to be much bigger and polished and complete
Konami should finish this and patch it in
@@squidgybuffalo you realize konamie erased kojimas name and group? and they made """"""""mgs""""""" survive?
nah, they better dont touch that if you ask me
@@ultramegaman555 Pretty sure the team could finish cutscene animations 🙄 Unfortunately I didn't take a side in the whole Kojima Konami ordeal because from a business perspective he put them in a dangerous place moneywise going millions over budget I'd have fired him too. Unfortunately Konami's bad business practice affected all its teams hence why so many people were fired and quit. It was a bad situation overall and the outcome was terrible. Unfortunately MGS5 as it exists now is something I find exorbitantly shit, which breaks my heart as MGS was demonstrably my favourite series till 5 came out.
well if they focused on story instead of creating fuckload of repetitive side missions, it could end up much better.
True
if the snyder cut was a thing, we need the Kojima cut...
Konami fired Kojima like 4 years ago, get with the times
@@michaelhuebner6843 no shit Sherlock....
@@michaelhuebner6843 we still need one
@@michaelhuebner6843 let me live and dream before I get shot down in my job....
Someone please make a petition of this
This mission is my phantom pain, I will never play it
Nobody played this mission
i guess..
If heaven is a thing, oh boy some are gonna enjoy this there
@@ilovehelldivers5317 outer heaven?
@@ilovehelldivers5317 outer heaven?
Unless kojima buys metal gear for himself
Man, if the 30% finished cutscenes look THIS good. I wonder what the final product would’ve been.
@@toby2581 You decided to drop this horrible opinion 3 years after the fact?
@@toby2581 cry harder and cope. Kojima is genius
@@toby2581 cope and seethe. You are low IQ
The fact that this is only 30% done and still looks pretty good makes me mad at what Konami robbed from us
They robbed us of nothing.
@@enymetouche2558 What about Adult Chico who looked like the Raiden of MGS5?
@@dragonmastertheedgeking1595 wait what?😳
Spot on. I was about to say the same. We got ROBBED.
@@dragonmastertheedgeking1595where you see him???
I love how you can tell that venom really relates to Eli at the end because he himself is just a clone of another sort trapped by fate. They are the same.
But venom didin’t even know that he wasn’t the real big boss here
@@AA-ff8xg he always felt he wasn't in a way. It's why he's quiet hes struggling mentally the whole time.
@@AA-ff8xg I'm pretty sure he did at the "end" of MGSV, which would have been before this cutscene/Mission. There is that whole "The Man Who Sold The World" mission where you play through the first mission again but it is revealed that we (venom snake) were the medic who got blown up in the chopper and was made to be the stunt double in that hospital.
@@AA-ff8xg he does. During the course of the game he slowly comes to the realization, as he was supposed to. It is explained at the end of "the man who sold the world" mission.
@@linkholder The Man Who Sold the World should've definitely be the last mission after THAT one. They just put it as the way to quickly wrap it since the game is unfinished.
I remember color blindness being mentioned in one of the early cassette tapes. I wondered if that would ever pop up in the gameplay... I guess this is what they were setting up?
Well in t he gameplay when you recieve much damage the color dissapear, or was when you healing
Sorry for the bad English
Wait, is that why sometimes I saw the blood colored blue/purple?
@@davidcone1433 yep
@@davidcone1433 I noticed that on my second playthrough too! Neat little detail, would have been even better if it was foreshadowing this ending.
Idk why but my snake is completely red
"I'm Free, I'll break the curse of my heritage!" -> *Spend the rest of his life fulfilling his interpretation of his fathers world view and dies from a genetic disease*
@Michael Aaron Harris Naomi : You mustn't allow yourself to be chained to fate, to be ruled by your genes. Human beings can choose the kind of life that they want to live. What's important is that you choose life... and then live.
I thought eli didnt have the foxdie virus that makes him age quick
@ThejetermanRBLX I thought the FOXDIE was what made Solid age quicker. and it only killed Liquid because it was programmed to
@Michael Aaron Harris not really Liquid Snake is the perfect clone of big boss, When he was being held by the cipher he was told that he was inferior one and he believed it. Ocelot said it all after completing MGS1
@@ahabrawgaming1289 Actually, Solidus was the perfect clone of BB. Liquid and Solid were both imperfect
Man, I don’t care if they made this a dlc, update, whatever late I’ll immediately play the shit out of it
Same
But honestly
It’s a phantom pain that the game is incomplete
I literally just finished MGSV & I’m confused, pissed & felt like I just was hung & dried lol I want more. I absolutely love this game & im kicking myself since I waited so damn long to play it. I want to know what happens to QUIET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
quiet? she died in the desert i guess cuz she had one of the english vocal parasites and since she spoke english to save venom snake, u know what happens
@@brab199 She probably lived the rest of her days in Afghanistan, Also is not so important to know what happened to her
it's c.untnami, forget it, it will *never* happen
I just imagine fighting to sahelantropus again but losing lots of staff and heroism
Diamond dogs and Venom vs Eli in sehelantropus epic battle
@@kenneth27205 That would be fucking amazing
@@nero6198 Yup, you'd have used all the vehicles and cannons you extracted, too.
@@armorvil my mother base rivals most militaries i would destroy that little shit
@@armorvil i have enough of them to turn russia into a crater
Fun fact: during these 18 minutes, big boss talks more and more emotional than the rest of a game
He didn't talk as often as previous games because he isn't Big Boss
fun fact: if you completed the stage avoiding Eli's shot, the final cutscene is replaced by an ironic reinterpretation of "familly matters" with Eli and BB.
@@Omar_E11 shh 🤫 🤐
because it has now been settled through the game story that venom snake is the new big boss. So i guess now they wont cheap out on making him talk
@@Omar_E11 he is big boss but he is venom snake
Even at 30% complete the camera work makes it all feel so real and grounded.
Kojimas plots are contrived but he definitely can tell a story with just his camera work.
Remove that stupid mask and smell the bullshit.
Convoluted maybe, but contrived? Oh my days that couldn't be further from the truth.
Fun fact about the camera work: the guy that covers the camera at 13:13 is probably placed there in order to hide the switch in Eli's jacket model. It is way easier to just cover the screen for a moment and quickly change the model than to actually animate it!
@@aiber3303 Thats really cool actually. Very underrated comment.
@@prestonrutherford873
Agree, contrived would imply they're poorly written. But alot of his stories don't really feel all that forced to me. (Well, most of the time.)
you know what would of been maybe a cool mission though a sad one, an epilogue where its MG1 but in the perspective of Venom, but the player has no idea what is going on and likely getting angry that something/someone is going around killing your men and destroying your expensive equipment. Finally after a while you track down the perpetuator turning out to be Solid Snake who beats you and destroys the metal gear and Outer Heaven. The quarantine mission having to kill your own men was hard enough imagine witnessing everything you spent time and effort being slowly destroyed.
That should be a 100% ending or something
I always thought the game should've ended with the player taking control of a young Solid Snake and you, the player have to destroy Venom's legacy, the legacy that you created. But your suggestion would have been awesome!
@@kalko8209 that pretty much already is the ending
*staff member has died*
*staff member has died*
*staff member has died*
*Battle gear destroyed*
*Metal Gear destroyed*
And actually that solid snake would hace the voice of david hayter omg would be epic
Amazes me that Konami wouldn't let Kojima finish this but they'll gladly work some elbow grease into the shit show that was Metal Gear Survive.
It's hard to be on Kojima's side since his strive for perfection cost way too much money
If they didn't control Kojima he'd need a bigger budget than the US army.
Cause Kojima not only God knows when would stop(the MGS V we got already cost a shittone, and how much wasn't finished, that's not including ground zero).
He was also for entire mgs v making was not fucking doing his job, he was traveling around the world, giving interviews and saying how great the game is. Probably taking the money from the budget for the travels
@@maaax5092
I’ve never read so many bullshit in a single comment. If Konamy want earn easy money from slot machine and gacha game it isnt Kojima fault.
Mgs v has the proprer budget of whatever AAA games of this generation.
@@riccardo4739 yes it does, and what? Is it cheap, no. Is Konami as big as EA to not be afraid to make AAA fail game? No
Would have been so great to have all the soldiers you recruited fight alongside you. Show the player what he achieved. Just like in Shadow of Mordor when you fight your nemesis in the final assault.
Cool idea 👍
Yes that would have been a sick final mission...you as snake with your soldier's...about 2 or 3 pequod gunships In the air... tanks and d walkers on the ground for support...all on one battlefield... would have been sick to see that on screen
I know I'm late but Imagine Solid Snake getting on mother base and taking out all your staff members, and you and your men are just being hunted down and the mission ends with us, Venom Snake, dying. That would have been nuts to play.
Spoilers wtf
Man Mantis is so freaking OP as a kid that its unbelievable that anyone could defeat him
He's the deus ex machina of this game, I swear. I like it and all but he definitely could've been nerfed or given some sort of weakness. No one rarely mentions him and he's there for a convenient plot device. You would think a floating kid with unlimited mental powers that can teleport at will and is an easy cure to the parasites would be top priority on everyone's shit list.
Hes got a weakpoint, the left port
@@zandatsurising4636 lmao
(I think you meant the right port/P2 port)
@@Reoko77 hus power was waning after his encounter with solid snake. Solid snake bloodlust memory was enough to make psycho mantis tremble with fear. Solid snake is the true villain of metal gear.
@Taramafor Haikido you need to be a psychic to be able to see it
This 30% complete cutscene worth more than the whole "Metal Gear: Survive" thing
Yes but you get to schoot the rail. Gun on the big fucking robot
Konami played us like a damn fiddle.
12:19
Boss , you just kill a child ...
Amazing , mission complete that right there is why you are the best boss.
The one and only.
S Rank
Codename: FOXHOUND
Raiden could have taken care of that tin can of a robot in a minute.
idk about that. snake took on vamp and beat him fist try, while raiden needed 3 attempts to do so
@@nrnjn8547 Snake struggled against some of the weakest Metal Gears in the series, but Raiden was able to take on 25 Metal Gear Rays (the best Metal Gear in the series) in MGS2 by himself, and then in MGR he cuts them apart with his sword like they're nothing. You could definitely argue that Snake is the better soldier overall, but Raiden seems to have the edge when it comes to fighting Metal Gears.
On top of that, Snake was still only able to fight Vamp to a draw in their first fight in MGS2, whereas Raiden defeated Vamp every time they fought (although Vamp just kept getting back up again).
@@heresy8384 thing is. Metal gear ray was never better than Rex. Rex was always better than Ray. Ray was more agile. So no snake defeated the stronger metal gear
@@nrnjn8547 Facts. Although with a small caveat. RAY was designed to be the "Anti-Metal Gear" meaning it was designed to destroy other Metal Gears and its subsidiaries, making RAY technically beat out REX. In terms of destructive ability REX wins hands down...it was designed to hold a nuke and have the ability to launch from anywhere. RAY is more agile and has the hydro-beam cutter (which requires a decent amount of water intake) it's aquatic and easier to maneuver and rotate as it walks on stumps. Meanwhile REX was built like a tank with defensives in mind since it's rather slow and clunky and its main function was to launch a nuke (acting as a mobile launch pad). It was intended to be the first iteration of many designs but ended up being the only one ever created.
Smaller Gears were created and sold to the rest of the world as apart of the war economy explained in MGS4.
@@Jameslawz rex never gave me sex
Never forget what Konami took from us
Silent hills
Metal gear .....
Castlevania
Suikoden
Ganbare Goemon
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this would’ve been the best mission in the game if it was finalised
You don't know. That was just the end of act 2. There was supposed to be a third act that woul tie into discovering Gray Fox, the creation of the Land Outer Heaven.
@@Nivelle_le_Gris I personally don't believe Act Three was ever supposed to exist. Like, it's called "Peace" - leaving it out of the game deliberately seems like the kind of thing Kojima would have done.
This would have been the absolute full circle moment for the game, and arguably the franchise. "That's right. Don't blame yourself. Blame ME." All of Liquid's hatred for Big Boss encapsulated right at that moment. And Konami fucked it up by not letting Kojima finish it.
@@Nivelle_le_Gris at most I think those plans for chapter 3 were scrapped early on. If it was truly meant to be in the game there would be evidence of it just like this mission.
@@Nivelle_le_Gris Such a wasted potential.
Okay obviously this beats the hell out of the Truth ending, Mirror scene and final mission... which was literally just the prologue, goddamnit Konami.
Blame Kojima for wasting years of development and resources.
@@RandalfElVikingo that’s actually a lie, they had promised him a budget and he was actually keeping it under that budget and they then kept cutting that budget down more and more. Kojima wasting resources is a meme, he knows how to stay within budget (usually under it) also, they kept rushing development when they had given him a certain date and again he was pushing to have it done by that date but they kept shortening the time so he had to release it unfinished. Since he knew they weren’t going to be done in time he changed focus to polishing up the gameplay and cut all this stuff out, showing that even when he’s screwed over he and his team still tried to deliver quality (which in my opinion they did).
@J H except no, the dude is right, konami fucked kojima, and basically themselves. Now no one has an ounce of respect for them left.
@J H I'm not having any more conversations with you. So save it for someone who cares.
@J H bro, why is kojima to blame? I already stated how the production went? It’s ok if you don’t like kojima or his games but don’t just say “well he’s to blame more!” Just because you don’t like him. That just makes you look ignorant. Just say, well I don’t like him and the game was not good and that’s it. Don’t make up weird stuff. Come on, be an adult.
I can't believe we didn't get this in the game
Some people say that you can unlock this mission, but I am not sure.
@@taw4527 you can't unlock something that's not even made. It was unfinished, that's why they left it out
@@Cracknutter22 Yeah, I said that some people claim that.
thanks to konami :(
@@taw4527 some people claim they have gta 6
6:33 Is that a railgun in your pocket or are you just happy to see me Sahelantropus?
All these years later, I come here and still cannot understand why they cut this from the game. May not have been needed for the ending but extremely vital for the plot of this game and the overall MGS story
It was cut because it wasn't finished. Konami kept pushing for a holiday 2015 release, and Kojima and his team ran out of time.
@@JorbyTinky understandable have a good day
but actually the game story is good even without adding this stuff, Kojima always do a good job
Why we still here...
@@FrancoE.Zapata just to suffer
It's ironic
The phantom pain
I hate that I'll never get to play this episode but I am also happy in a weird way
Instead of this we got missions that we had to do in extreme mode or full stealth...
That was fun too but we needed chapter 3 :(
Kojima and Konami just couldn't get on the same page. Konami wanted the game to be released on their time and Kojima was asking for too much money for the game.
@@carnage2512 but mega games were known to be a massive profit, and Konami was swimming in cash, not to mention them decreasing his budget and time to perfect a game, perfection= money, the more perfect it is, the more will buy, the more people buy, the more it’s talked about, and repeat, Kohima was a video game genius, and if they had put some faith into the process, they could have made much more, it’s like a cake taking 1 hour to make, but you want it in 30 minutes, but you don’t raise the temperature, so all you have is a half baked cake, and complain about the cake being half baked
@@Smelly556 I guess it was all for the best in the the end because he’s making his own stealth espionage game now
Well, it only took me 6 years to find the ending of MGSV. At least I can get some closure now.
But this isn't an ending
Well, it’s not an ending but it fills out some remaining plot holes well enough.
We have an ending to MGSV, this just would've been a phenomenal mission to flesh out the characters and tie into the original games
@@prestonrutherford873 An "Ending", sure, where Eli and Sahelanthropus disappear into the great blue and nobody knows or cares about it. Obviously there's an ending but it's not satisfying whatosever.
@@ab12345cdf I totally agree it would have been way better with this mission, but that's not the last mission chronologically speaking
Man this scene woulda been epic..........
“Never Be Game Over”
So wait, Eli/Liquid and the kids essentially thought they were Kids Next Door
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO
As much as I hate Eli, I really do feel bad for him.
The poor little bastard litterally *never* knew anything but the pain of war.
That would fuck anybody up.
It's even more heart-wrenching that Konami didn't let Hideo Kojima finish the game.
Kojima was wasting money
liquid snake laugh in hidden
@@sexygamergirl6075 even though I hate Konami it's true that Kojima was spending a fuck load of money.
@@sexygamergirl6075 But does that really matter when the games always make a fuck ton more back to where they'll always make a huge profit on it? It's not wasteful if it's to complete the product. Now they're stuck with pachinko machines that are losing their popularity in Japan
@@sexygamergirl6075 Kojima spent 80 million. He got 360 back, I think they have more than enough money to give him
Can someone remake this mission in dreams?
There is no downside in trying
@@ilovehelldivers5317
Besides a lawsuit
@@gretathuumberg that too bad😔
@@gretathuumberg Wouldn't be legal for a lawsuit, the creator most likely wouldn't be making any money off of it and the law is (at least I think) "if they aren't making any money from the derivative/fangame of your game/copyrighted thing, you can't legally take their derivative project down or send them a cease and desist order and sue them if they do not comply"
Of course, the creator of the Dreams thing could just decide to take it down out of respect for Konami, but they aren't legally obligated to- unless, like I said, they were somehow making money from it
Why in dreams?
This would have been a perfect ending for the game along with the fight with Solid Snake in Outer Heaven
That was gonna happen!?
@@asisin2 no but it would have been a good ending to the series, going full circle.
@@elkmeatenjoyer3409 oh yea agreed, they shouldve bridged the gap
@@asisin2 They kinda did, in the game's ending you see Venom Snake as he's about to fight Solid
@@HijoDeDios999 is it confirmed the ending is during the events of MG1? Thought it was just some random day of his life post phantom pain
Venom Snake: Don't blame yourself. Blame me.
Liquid Snake: I'll kill you!!
Big Boss: Let it go... My son... I'm not here to fight... or should I called you brother?
Solid Snake: What?...
7 years later and I’m still disappointed that this game never reached its full potential!!
In other words, the mission its like a tropical Shadow Moses.
Actually Its more like the original Sahelantroplus mission in Afghanistan but in another location and with a stronger Sahelantroplus which I assume harder to defeat
So, Snake Eater
@YOG It's like Shadow Moses because there's Liquid, a metal gear as a final boss, traps throughout it, and is (apparently) one big map
@@nutball3756 And he's demanding Big Bosses Body. Just like in Shadow Moses.
They ran out of originality pretty quick in mgsv
We need this in the game!!
Man, this game was supposed to bridge the gap allllll the way up until the original Metal Gear. I fucking hate Konami.
You spelled Kojima wrong.
@@Henry_Slatyki how’s it kojimas fault
@@Henry_Slatyki search somebody to blame... Kojima created a masterpiece
@@Henry_Slatyki Konami FIRED Kojima he had nothing to do with it
@@Henry_Slatyki Go back to Diamond Dogs this is Diamond Ducks
Liquid snake needs his own game. End of story. There's a huge gap between mgsv and mgs1 almost 20 years.
It’s kinda sad to think that Eli wanted to kill big boss but instead that was venom snake
Also imagine Skull Face, training his evil speech for 9 years, but in the end telling it to the wrong guy.
@@Ivory5547And that wrong guy just keep staring the whole speech without saying one word
Now imagine if they finished the game off with David.
People will see this and say "MGS V is finished because Kojima said so"...
It seems like this was being set up as the true final mission, not all that crap of just rewatching the 45 hospital scene again.
Kojima: Don't blame the players... Blame me...!
Konami: Not yet...! This is not over yet! (Announces MGS3 Remake)
I def feel we should have gotten more content regarding what Diamond dogs troops could have done.
Now all we need is mantis to fix Quiet off screen and we’re good.
you know that you can get her back by playing her mission 7 times?
@@Mekugiofficial yeah but onscreen wise.
I really wish this was the real Big Boss and not his phantom, starting the game off with him saying he doesn’t care about David or Eli, then having this scene where he’s genuinely upset at the thought of having killed his son would’ve created an awesome extra layer to the relationship between Big Boss and Liquid Snake, a relationship that is extremely important for the rest of the series.
Yup, and I wanted to see kid Solid Snake too
I think Punished Snake can relate even more to Eli, especially with that "I'm just a copy of Big Boss" line.
It’s better this way venom and liquid are both copies, and it’s an established fact that the real big boss doesn’t see them as his kids
That's the point, it's suppose to emphasize how evil big boss is supposed to be where his phantom retains more humanity
@@paveesfox375 They're kids that he didn't want, that Zero forced him to have. It's not really evil. Big Boss is more of a tragic figure than a villain.
the story of Metal Gear Solid is one of the best storylines I have ever encountered in a game. Truly amazing stuff.
I don't really know about this game, I just came here to see that one epic quote youtube had just recommended me and I failed once again
You have been played .....like a damn fiddle
I’m confused as to why Psycho Mantis bothered helping Liquid in this situation, unless he could somehow see the future...
Because he is enamored by people with strong hatred or whom he sees as similar to himself, same reason he helps solid find the secret door in mgs1
Have to listen to the tapes in game
30% meaning character lip animation & burning animation were not completed.
Imagine this mission like an hour long
It feels and like snake eater as we get a lot of the nostalgia fuckery from mgs4 that would be awesome
I can honestly say that this might have been my favorite game of all time if this wasn’t so jarring-ly missing
Why i'm still here, just to suffer?
That what we should have played instead of "extreme Sahelantroplus"
Ikr
2021, and I'm still pissed that this didn't get finished. "That's right. Don't blame yourself. Blame ME."
He decided he didn't want to finish it.
everybody ganster till the mech start screaming
The saddest thing is Hideo Kajima left Konami so now it doesn't matter how many people want this in the game it won't come to fruition
unless konami wanna make another mgs but they decided to stay with mobile so hmm
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@@zsushi3316 and with Pachinkos
Sony needs to buy MGS!🔥
@@TommyEch911 No, I don't want MGS to become a walking sim
@@deathtrooper2048 have you seen Spiderman PS4, Uncharted, God Of War and basically all of their exclusives, they are far from being walking sims.
I want to see how people would've reacted to THIS ending if it was fully completed and implemented.
Also that ending shot of the New York skyline... Weird how the presence of two buildings can be harrowing.
honestly the mission would actually have the diamond dogs not be useless and allow us to fight with them
Why we still watching, just to suffer. I’ll never forgive konami for stopping hideo kojima finishing this game. Every now and then I get videos about this last mission in my recommend in my youtube. And everytime I do watch them and after each time I watch them I get phantoms pains because this game could have been so much more than what it is, even better.
Kinda hard to talk Eli seriously when his mouth doesn't move lol
It reminds me of mgs1
Well, this is unfinish material.
Imagine what that game could've been.. not only it was missing that last chapter, but if you notice there weren't many cutscenes and cinematics in the game, instead they put the bulk of the storyline on cassette tapes.. All of the previous MGS games had long and involved cinematic scenes.. Not this one tho.. there were a couple but not on MGS4 or MGS3 level.
My blood boils at the thought of never being able to see this finished like it should have been.
everyone talking about the virtuous mission being remade using MGSV but no one is thinking of stepping in to finishing this episode... RIP
I mean those were Remade, this mission wasn't finished and therefore they would have no area to base the fight off of
Yeah, I remember seeing this. It was sort of an incomplete official ending had the game actually been completed. I wish it made it into the game.
This mission is the only time a character talks in a way that feels like Metal Gear with Eli talking about his genes.
And it’s not even in the fucking game.
What a huge disappointment
"Boss.. you killed a child AMAZING MISSION COMPLETE THAT RIGHT THERE IS WHY YOURE THE BEST BOSS :D"
As good a game TPP was it would have been an infinitely better game if they just added a few more things like more missions indoors and more use of the open world and also included the cut scene and the last fight in the game.
I was disappointed that the open world was so...empty.
This game is a fake "open world" . Basically 2 small maps being stretch by empty fields with no civilians or anything whatsoever so we have to waste tons of hours travelling these empty fields, just to give impression that its huge open world while its not. Every missions and outposts are copy paste stuff.
Even has same dialogues over and over "Yea I remember him....he left... 9 years ago"
@@vicrattlehead6386 I agree there should have been some civilians or NPCs as they are called just roaming the area and also more indoor places where you can infiltrate. The game had so much unused potential.
@@truthspillaz2 The gameplay is fine, but storyline , the map & basically the overall design are just flat & boring. It has big potential but I think Kojima fallout with Konami certainly played big part on it.
Yea, it lacks nps / civilians or many other stuff that could have filled those empty spaces. Even the vehicles are pretty useless and feels like a gimmicky stuff, so does the motherbase.
How different the mgs story would be if psycho mantis would just obey physics
That medic actually touched venom snake! is the history repeating?
So actually the venom snake scream cutscene it's supposed to be here
see this is why I don't buy the whole "the game is finished, you guys just won't stop complaining for no reason, think of the developers, it's insulting to them to say the game isn't done", bro the concept art and even the recorded voice lines are clear evidence this game was going to keep going.
The games over man stop fucking with me
and what our that trailer where big boss was impregnated in blood in some kind of fire... too many things cut damn
Gotta appreciate that Kojima doesn't tiptoe around his references and straight up has Kaz mention Lord of the Flies
Seems like TH-cam algorithm gathering us here
i love how Eli and the Boys are based on Lord of the Flies, my fave book. The boy Eli kills is Ralph, the main character of said book who was gonna be beheaded by the savage boys. Even the mission is known as Kingdom of the Flies
I'm surprised how not many people are talking about the fact that this whole level is just Shadow Moses in miniature! Right down Eli's strategy: Hold the world hostage on an island fortress, with a nuclear-armed Metal Gear (Shaped like Rex), in exchange for Big Boss's body. We even have Infected XOF Scouts substituting as Liquid's Genome Army! Now, I don't claim to know exactly what Hideo Kojima was thinking, but in terms of game design: this would probably play like a bigger, louder, faster version of "The End" boss fight from MGS3. We might be here awhile...
Let's review the story of this chapter:
We have three armies: (Diamond Dogs, Cipher, and Eli's infected XOF scouts) all fighting each other from every angle imaginable, with booby-traps and ambushes strewn everywhere.
Snake has to fight his way around XOF, Parasite troops, and child soldiers (which he also has to rescue), while dodging traps, destroying enemy helicopters, trucks and tanks, AND a fully-piloted Metal Gear! There's no way the player could do this alone, so he'd would have to summon the full might of DD. Calling air-strikes, reinforcements, supply drops, Huey's Battle-Gear, etc. throwing every single resource the player has developed over the entire game!
Ocelot really had a good point at 8:11. It's as if Eli and Snake really are fighting THE WHOLE WORLD.
And we haven't even talked about Sahelanthropus. Which will be faster, meaner, and more powerful. Using its whole arsenal to dispatch troops and vehicles quickly and efficiently. Like it's metallic archaea from this concept art at 8:48. There seems to be an important emphasis on that weapon in particular because it could instantly render all vehicles on the map totally useless (Except Huey's Battle-Gear tank)! The only way to defeat Metal Gear in this iteration would be to injure or tranquilize Mantis FIRST at 8:58. Then you grind away at Metal Gear's armor with rockets and explosives, maybe even running Eli through some of his own traps. So Eli will be running and jumping all over the island, ambushing Snake at every turn. Rescuing the Child Soldiers would help guide the player around the map to explore the tiny island, so they can salvage weapons and ammo.
Eventually, the epic boss fight has to conclude with Snake defeating Metal Gear near a beach. Snake then has to fight his way toward the wreckage 9:02, to find Eli- who was thrown from blast 9:03. When Snake finally reaches the wreckage, we get the final cutscene at 9:19.
End, Roll Credits.
Story / Planning / Game Design
by Hideo Kojima
Atleast we got something, we saw these 30% cutscenes, which still look great, even through they ain't complete.
Irony here the REAL Big Boss never interacted with Eli aka Liquid Snake, Venom was just the double medic brainwashed to think like Big Boss our Avatar who Solid Snake kills in the first Metal Gear game on the MSX console.
"Kills"
imagine the fight, all you hear is "Soilder lost, Soilder lost" and all your soilders are getting fucking massacared in this fight.
17:08 oh I thought his accent was just thick enough to let him live~
I think it's interesting how Diamond Dogs have fighter jets here
Konami could have taken the time to actually finish this scene, added some additional content and released it as free or premium DLC. Instead they release Metal Gear Survival. Think about that.
Fuck Konami for ruining MGS V
Release it as paid DLC and people would be pissed and wouldn't buy it.
MG Survive they reused assets and profited from it.
No brainer really, and you can't blame them. They're a business trying to make money.
Konami is stupid? Or wanted to fuck Kojima so bad?
Late but this is the 2ed time a Kojima game was missing its third act/epilog ( that I know of) first time was snatcher it took years before the third act came out if I heard the history right.
This needs to be finished and released. I have seen too much "impossible" shit happen. Might take a while, but the possibility is there.
Not gonna happen
THATS SO WILD wtf. first time i saw it.. wow 6 years later
I wish Konami would just release this
15:19 you can hear Liquid Snake from MGS1 when he said 'kill you"
Wow this sucks. I cannot believe this wasn’t in the game
I really hope Konami does a 10-year anniversary thing where they release the completed cut episode as a DLC or something, this genuinely has the potential to be one of the greatest missions in any game ever
Once again I am here for the 50th time since 2015 lost for words that this game wasn't finished.
Even worse Konami didn't let him finish THIS mission that was so close to be done... You feel it too, don't you?
I just realised Psycho mantis is the Third boy...
wouldve been insane
The origin of liquid in metal gear solid 2
Big bosses kids keep trying to kill him
Its even more crazy when you realized he tried to help liquid .
But liquid had too much hate .
Also kid psycho mantis I tend to forget is in this game lol...
And that he had red hair.
I like the fact he saved liquid .
they must have been good budies .
I wonder what happened to the other children ?
So that's how liquid snake is alive