As someone who uses stats a lot in their day job, hard agree on use of them for balance in a game with a small number of players (particularly at the higher level). Preach brothers!
I don’t think GW intended the Ogryn change to be a nerf to Blooded. To me it seems more like they’re trying to bring it in line rules-wise with things like the Gellerpox Hulks, Torments, or the Patriarch in that operatives with a larger base size cannot receive cover from light terrain. I think that might be a change they’re planning on making for all large operatives moving forward into the new edition
If they want to leave intercession as the 'intro team' then make a new spacemarine team like Legionary, make a actual *Killteam* faction, where you can take a roster of different chapters and each comes with their own buffs/skill sets? much like the marks of chaos, just do the big 4? Dark angles, Blood angles, Ultra and Imperial fists and or Black templars They also have Justian as this weird intro simpler to play team so I dont understand why intersession gets ignored, either way im gonna keep playing Nemesis Claw because at least they are elites with some flavour and play
the necron nerf seemed too harsh compared to other ones like felgor and pathfinders. They were good, but not as good as those other ones and had a more severe nerf. Gellerpox was not nerfed also... this is strange
Thank you for an in depth discussion of the new dataslate! Regarding Hierotek Circle changes: Why is there no regard for team flavor or theme when you discuss changes? You say reanimation protocol should be removed or replaced because it's so unreliable. But these are Necrons we are talking about: it's their faction unique thing! So please keep in mind what makes a team special when you recommend changes. These aren't excel spreadsheets we are bashing against each other on the table. It's the sneaky Kommandos trying to take out an Imperial Guard command post. Or the Excaction Squad getting called out for a disturbance that reveals itself to be a Genestealer Cult propaganda meeting. Yes the stats are important, but so is the feel of the game! Thank you again for all the fun content.
If tournament statistics are bogus let me play brood brothers into you playing intercession 😃 of course the are always pitfalls when using statistics, but that doesn't mean they don't matter, it just means they are tool like any other than can be used well or badly.
I very much prefer "simple" changes such as + - 1 operative to fix the team, as opposed to weirdly overly complicated fixes like "this operative gains +2hp for every 3.1415 operative your opponent has, but only on weekends from 9am to 5pm. Ignore the 3rd part of the 2nd sentence of the 4th paragraph if your opponent's favourite colour is Sea Breeze."
Just a month ago you two talked about how Scouts could use an extra operative "at least, to start"; now talking heads have declared Scouts completely OP. What do you think about this swing? Did they really go from D-tier to S-tier with just one Dataslate?
This is patently false. We never once said this. Why are you just making things up? "If you just lift a few restrictions--they're very close to being in a really good place"--Our thoughts in the last tier list.
@@shanesmith447 I'm sorry. I confused your Tier- list video with the Talking Point Tactics one; they make remarks about how terrible they view Scouts at around the 40 minute mark in their third video on the subject. That said you and Ryan had them in C-tier, and back in February, during that Tier-list video you said (@ ~50:00): "They can't really win anything, in my eyes." So my quote was wrong, but the sentiment seems pretty similar. Did I misunderstand your assessments, or did they really jump from the bottom 5 teams into the top 5?
As someone who uses stats a lot in their day job, hard agree on use of them for balance in a game with a small number of players (particularly at the higher level). Preach brothers!
I don’t think GW intended the Ogryn change to be a nerf to Blooded. To me it seems more like they’re trying to bring it in line rules-wise with things like the Gellerpox Hulks, Torments, or the Patriarch in that operatives with a larger base size cannot receive cover from light terrain. I think that might be a change they’re planning on making for all large operatives moving forward into the new edition
I fully agree on what you are saying about stats. It does not tell you about the team!
My main worry now, this may be our last data slate… this version I hope not
what do you mean?
@@heronvitor6886 hoping for a q3 to handle the most recent
If they want to leave intercession as the 'intro team' then make a new spacemarine team like Legionary, make a actual *Killteam* faction, where you can take a roster of different chapters and each comes with their own buffs/skill sets? much like the marks of chaos, just do the big 4? Dark angles, Blood angles, Ultra and Imperial fists and or Black templars
They also have Justian as this weird intro simpler to play team so I dont understand why intersession gets ignored, either way im gonna keep playing Nemesis Claw because at least they are elites with some flavour and play
the necron nerf seemed too harsh compared to other ones like felgor and pathfinders. They were good, but not as good as those other ones and had a more severe nerf. Gellerpox was not nerfed also... this is strange
Thank you for an in depth discussion of the new dataslate!
Regarding Hierotek Circle changes:
Why is there no regard for team flavor or theme when you discuss changes?
You say reanimation protocol should be removed or replaced because it's so unreliable.
But these are Necrons we are talking about: it's their faction unique thing!
So please keep in mind what makes a team special when you recommend changes.
These aren't excel spreadsheets we are bashing against each other on the table.
It's the sneaky Kommandos trying to take out an Imperial Guard command post. Or the Excaction Squad getting called out for a disturbance that reveals itself to be a Genestealer Cult propaganda meeting.
Yes the stats are important, but so is the feel of the game!
Thank you again for all the fun content.
If tournament statistics are bogus let me play brood brothers into you playing intercession 😃
of course the are always pitfalls when using statistics, but that doesn't mean they don't matter, it just means they are tool like any other than can be used well or badly.
No changes for Justian yet, so sad.
I'm salty because in my opinion kasrkin, breachers and BoK deserved a buff but didn't get anything.
Navi aint need any buffs this days, they do realy nice. Better buff chaos cult.
I very much prefer "simple" changes such as + - 1 operative to fix the team, as opposed to weirdly overly complicated fixes like "this operative gains +2hp for every 3.1415 operative your opponent has, but only on weekends from 9am to 5pm. Ignore the 3rd part of the 2nd sentence of the 4th paragraph if your opponent's favourite colour is Sea Breeze."
+1 operative is lazy and lacks flavor
At this point I just can't be bothered to keep up. Imagine trying to know what the other player's team does too.
Whoa!
Just a month ago you two talked about how Scouts could use an extra operative "at least, to start"; now talking heads have declared Scouts completely OP. What do you think about this swing? Did they really go from D-tier to S-tier with just one Dataslate?
This is patently false. We never once said this. Why are you just making things up?
"If you just lift a few restrictions--they're very close to being in a really good place"--Our thoughts in the last tier list.
@@shanesmith447
I'm sorry.
I confused your Tier- list video with the Talking Point Tactics one; they make remarks about how terrible they view Scouts at around the 40 minute mark in their third video on the subject.
That said you and Ryan had them in C-tier, and back in February, during that Tier-list video you said (@ ~50:00): "They can't really win anything, in my eyes."
So my quote was wrong, but the sentiment seems pretty similar. Did I misunderstand your assessments, or did they really jump from the bottom 5 teams into the top 5?
@@Rlndgunslinger Seeing as we didn’t have them as a bottom 5 team in the tier list you’re referring to, I would say your sentiment isn’t right at all.
@@CommandPoint
Okay, thank you for clarifying. I look forward to seeing where you place them in your next tier-list video.