Dude I fell asleep listening to you guys (no shade, I’m just really tired) and I literally had dream of a college professor explaining his kill team tier list to me lol
People are sleeping on Hierotek. Even A tier is too low. Sad what they did to Kasrkin. With their Elite killer identity they completely removed it at the time it was most needed. Itll interesting to see how Elites get nerfed.
That’s because tier lists are shit in general but especially doubly tripley so when it’s a new edition with only a few hundred recorded games world wide. Make a tier list in a couple years when there are literally thousands of data points to extrapolate from and I *might* take it with a baseball sized grain of salt. When the data points reach into the tens of thousands, then we have munchable data that can be parsed with a degree of confidence.
Here’s another way to look at it. How many games does it take to become proficient in a team? 5? 10? 20? Proficient. You don’t need to keep looking at cards, you know your team, the mechanics, ploys, everything by heart and your playing fluid, quickly, making little to no mistakes. Let’s be super conservative and say it takes 10 games. 10 really good games. And then let’s say it takes another 5 games (a single tournament) to play against 5 equally competent players to test your mettle and prove your competence. Cool. So 15 games total. You’re telling me this guy has played 15 games with every team? That 495 games. If you were a hardcore KT fanatic you might MAYBE play that many games in 3 years. Why anyone puts stock into this stuff is beyond my understanding. It’s like the lowest form of TT content. Completely subjective and little to no effort to actually produce.
IMO Kasrkin need some more love. The Skill at Arms are too situational. Light em up should be severe all the time and Ice in your veins should be more than just 1 of the dice.
Nah, kasrkin dismantled my fellgor recently. My opponent played them pretty much perfectly, and there was more than enough severe to deal with frenzied operatives and enough vantage and use of obstacles to deny freedom of movement and / or the ability to charge. I think too often people get lost in the "power" of a team and forget that there's a wider game to be played, and the board, primary and tac ops play a large part into the overall effectiveness of a team.
Thanks for your endurance, I love this content. As a Warpcoven player I enjoy the team right now. But they need to get nerfed. I just hope, their psy attacks stay strong.
I appreciate choosing Farstalkers, breachers, and blades as my KT choices when starting this game just before v3. Really hate meta chasing, but I have some feeling these teams will never be good
Cult looks weaker on paper because they lost so much stuff (but not an operative as stated in the video). They do benefit massively from the more heavy terrain on Volkus though. Making it very hard for an opponent to prevent the creation of Torments. With wings your Mutants and Torments are a real melee threat to everything on a vantage point. The additional range on the demagogue also feels crazy good. By no means do they feel A tier but D tier feels a bit harsh. At least as a Cult enjoyer
I don't understand why marines have any silent operatives at all. They're supposed to be a shock assault faction who eschew camouflage and are basically the epitome of SSVOA. The primarisification has made them more generic supersoldiers and really feels like they've strayed from what marines are supposed to be. On the other hand, I love that chapter tactics are locked into the list because now it feels like you're actually playing a chapter. Changeable chapter tactics should be something that makes the deathwatch unique.
Hard disagree on the kroot, by stacking buffs like VFTK and CTK, as well as the Tribalest, they are quite killy. Ive been finding that they are about mid tier, possibly a low B, they are a lot of fun now. They cant hang with legionaires or Warpcoven, but they have play into a fair amount of teams.
The list is pretty spot on for most teams imo, but for some reason they are hating on farstalkers for no reason. They are more like between B, C at lowest.
absolutely disagree on novitiates, 7 wounds are still 7 wounds, and I have 0 clue how you guys use them to benefit from both damage reduction and healing because if they're shot twice with bolter fire, they're as good as dead, halving that damage won't do much, and the healing with faithpoints just never comes up in my games as the overlap of operatives that I want to use faith points on and the one's that are wounded is basically non existent. 4+ pistols are unusable, I'd place them in middle C tier
Cannot disagree more. Maybe you're playing the team wrong. Go and check out the first game on day 1 of NYO, Novis beating Inq, both top 20 ranked players globally on ITC--a good showcase of the team for people that doubt them.
Thanks for the video. I think its strange to have 5 of 28 being S Tier, as you dilute what S Tier means. S Tier should be reserved for a small fraction of the total and things that are broken or right on the line of being broken. You should bump several of those down to A Tier.
The video is useless for newer players because these guys are talkin’ out their ass. Giving opinions about teams they’re not playing, consistently having to look up team rules and the guy on the right is clearly just a sycophant of Shane’s. Don’t get me wrong, Shane is a good player, but tier lists are shit and it’s better to not put out a video then put one out where you’re clearly just guessing. It’s like watching Blinkin’ on guard duty in Men In Tights. Talk about what you *know* not what you *think* you know.
Kroot 2:42
Mandrakes 6:08
Vespid 9:35
Nemisis 14:01
Fel gor 19:45
Hand 24:50
Blades 29:11
Agents 34:09
Brood 38:42
Starstriders 42:33
AoD 46:01
Kasrkin 53:23
Kommando 56:32
Arbtz 1:00:27
Novitiates 1:04:25
Breachers 1:11:09
Corsair 1:13:16
Chaos Cult 1:16:39
Blooded 1:20:16
Pathfinders 1:23:17
Yeagers 1:27:39
Salvagers 1:30:36
Harlequins 1:36:35
Legion 1:45:00
DKoK 1:46:09
Gellerpox 1:46:41
Wyrmblade 1:48:18
Aquilions 1:49:31
Scouts 1:50:48
Hunter clade 1:52:12
Circle 1:53:07
Phobos 1:54:47
Warpcoven 1:56:30
This sucked doing on mobile but at least it's usable
Bless you for your efforts.
May the Chaos Gods bless you
Thank you!
Thank you!
Dude I fell asleep listening to you guys (no shade, I’m just really tired) and I literally had dream of a college professor explaining his kill team tier list to me lol
In midnight clad also works when you have an engage order now though, which is insanely better.
Orion won a 12 person with Farstalker on Sunday.
Goated
When you guys make a 2 hr tier list you should add time stamps.
Just some feedback: really hard to work out the icons on the final screen
Would appreciate pictures and timestamps.
Where does Plague Marines land in here do you think?
You forgot the Plague Marines!
"Where there is delusion, there is hope."
Very good quote.
People are sleeping on Hierotek. Even A tier is too low. Sad what they did to Kasrkin. With their Elite killer identity they completely removed it at the time it was most needed. Itll interesting to see how Elites get nerfed.
beating novitiates (by 1 point) with plague marines is my proudest accomplishment thus far in this edition.
Find it hard to agree that salvagers need a nerf when stats are showing them at a 39% win rate…. Much bigger problem teams out there
I’m new to kill team but I’ve won a lot of games with Kroot so far
That’s because tier lists are shit in general but especially doubly tripley so when it’s a new edition with only a few hundred recorded games world wide.
Make a tier list in a couple years when there are literally thousands of data points to extrapolate from and I *might* take it with a baseball sized grain of salt.
When the data points reach into the tens of thousands, then we have munchable data that can be parsed with a degree of confidence.
@ I just find them very flexible so far that have some good melee some decent shooting and they can be very fast
Here’s another way to look at it. How many games does it take to become proficient in a team? 5? 10? 20? Proficient. You don’t need to keep looking at cards, you know your team, the mechanics, ploys, everything by heart and your playing fluid, quickly, making little to no mistakes.
Let’s be super conservative and say it takes 10 games. 10 really good games. And then let’s say it takes another 5 games (a single tournament) to play against 5 equally competent players to test your mettle and prove your competence. Cool. So 15 games total.
You’re telling me this guy has played 15 games with every team? That 495 games. If you were a hardcore KT fanatic you might MAYBE play that many games in 3 years.
Why anyone puts stock into this stuff is beyond my understanding. It’s like the lowest form of TT content. Completely subjective and little to no effort to actually produce.
Loving the Kroot D Tier as the Copium starter
IMO Kasrkin need some more love. The Skill at Arms are too situational. Light em up should be severe all the time and Ice in your veins should be more than just 1 of the dice.
Nah, kasrkin dismantled my fellgor recently. My opponent played them pretty much perfectly, and there was more than enough severe to deal with frenzied operatives and enough vantage and use of obstacles to deny freedom of movement and / or the ability to charge.
I think too often people get lost in the "power" of a team and forget that there's a wider game to be played, and the board, primary and tac ops play a large part into the overall effectiveness of a team.
High C tier for Wyrmblade. Good, good. Please sleep on them, they're great into elites
Hey! new to KT, would this video be stats for version 2 or 3? thanks in advanced!
3rd Edition Tier list.
31:10 I believe in kroot!
Where do you get the void dancer troupe pdf ?
Kasrkin needs its elite points back to separate it from agents
Can you clarified what you mean by teams getting declassified. Have GW confirmed some of the bespoke teams are going away?
Surprisingly, I managed to come 2nd in a 12-person tournament with Kroot! Warpcovern came first, which we all expected
Thanks for your endurance, I love this content. As a Warpcoven player I enjoy the team right now. But they need to get nerfed. I just hope, their psy attacks stay strong.
i prefer pictures of the teams since these logos are not distinct enough on a glance
I appreciate choosing Farstalkers, breachers, and blades as my KT choices when starting this game just before v3. Really hate meta chasing, but I have some feeling these teams will never be good
Where are you finding tournaments? I can't find any
Local game stores and larger events like NYO. Best Coast Pairings is a good way to find upcoming tournaments.
Cult looks weaker on paper because they lost so much stuff (but not an operative as stated in the video). They do benefit massively from the more heavy terrain on Volkus though. Making it very hard for an opponent to prevent the creation of Torments. With wings your Mutants and Torments are a real melee threat to everything on a vantage point. The additional range on the demagogue also feels crazy good. By no means do they feel A tier but D tier feels a bit harsh. At least as a Cult enjoyer
I don't understand why marines have any silent operatives at all. They're supposed to be a shock assault faction who eschew camouflage and are basically the epitome of SSVOA. The primarisification has made them more generic supersoldiers and really feels like they've strayed from what marines are supposed to be.
On the other hand, I love that chapter tactics are locked into the list because now it feels like you're actually playing a chapter. Changeable chapter tactics should be something that makes the deathwatch unique.
Stealth marines have existed since the Heresy. You might not of heard of them, one of the 18 legions? Raven Guard? Been around for 10,000 years?
@@Rothana76
Yep. Raptors (I believe are a successor chapter) are known for their scouting/recon and stealthy but hard hitting gorilla warfare.
let's go buffalo! lol--representin
Hard disagree on the kroot, by stacking buffs like VFTK and CTK, as well as the Tribalest, they are quite killy. Ive been finding that they are about mid tier, possibly a low B, they are a lot of fun now. They cant hang with legionaires or Warpcoven, but they have play into a fair amount of teams.
definitely. They are *so* much better than before
In here before reddit takes over!
Go Bills!
“None of the teams got worse” so that statement aged pretty poorly throughout the course of this video 😂
29:00 Synchro Uhmm
Some day you'll come around to Cult :P
Mostly kidding... but then again, I think if you play em right they beat everything else in D tier.
Dang farstalkers are that bad?
Not really. They are actually good now 😂
The list is pretty spot on for most teams imo, but for some reason they are hating on farstalkers for no reason. They are more like between B, C at lowest.
Nah kroot still struggle. I beat them every time pretty easily
I just came 2nd with Kroot in a 12 person Tournament! Though none of us are pros. The person who won was Warpcoven, which surprised no one
absolutely disagree on novitiates, 7 wounds are still 7 wounds, and I have 0 clue how you guys use them to benefit from both damage reduction and healing because if they're shot twice with bolter fire, they're as good as dead, halving that damage won't do much, and the healing with faithpoints just never comes up in my games as the overlap of operatives that I want to use faith points on and the one's that are wounded is basically non existent.
4+ pistols are unusable, I'd place them in middle C tier
Cannot disagree more. Maybe you're playing the team wrong. Go and check out the first game on day 1 of NYO, Novis beating Inq, both top 20 ranked players globally on ITC--a good showcase of the team for people that doubt them.
Thanks for the video. I think its strange to have 5 of 28 being S Tier, as you dilute what S Tier means. S Tier should be reserved for a small fraction of the total and things that are broken or right on the line of being broken. You should bump several of those down to A Tier.
All five of them are broken tho
Phew ... the audio quality for sure is F Tier my dudes, please at least do the bare minimum in post to filter ambient noise
Without showing the name and the image for the team you are talking about, this video is useless for newer players.
The video is useless for newer players because these guys are talkin’ out their ass.
Giving opinions about teams they’re not playing, consistently having to look up team rules and the guy on the right is clearly just a sycophant of Shane’s. Don’t get me wrong, Shane is a good player, but tier lists are shit and it’s better to not put out a video then put one out where you’re clearly just guessing. It’s like watching Blinkin’ on guard duty in Men In Tights.
Talk about what you *know* not what you *think* you know.
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