STATUS OF THE DARK ANGELS! LION EL'JONSON & THE UNFORGIVEN UPDATE!
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- Hey everyone Rho here! Today we're discussing the latest update regarding the Dark Angels reunion with their Primarch! How the return of Lion El'Jonson has changed the Unforgiven, and how they are adapting to their Primarch...
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If he's visiting every one of his son's legions, guaranteed he is giving them a last wall type protocol order. He is in charge. End of story.
ANGELS ASSEMBLE!
P. S. Maybe, Lion just preparing "for plan b", but, anyway...
Legions? Damn😮
I mean, they already (and have always) had that. Just say “fallen” and they all come running.
Or if the rock is under attack, all unforgiven show up. The books have covered this storyline before.
Dark Angels Protocol >>>>>>> Last wall protocol.
If he’s visiting every *CHAPTER* then I’m sure he’ll more of a “you choose” kinda guy as he doesn’t want to force any of his sons to do anything they don’t want to do.
I just hope that from now on we can see the Dark Angels begin to really take on the Knight culture that they should have. Instead of hunting for the fallen I'd like to see them written doing more knightly deeds, slaying demons and monsters on feudal worlds, dueling chaos champions, stalking the shadows where dark forces lurk. I'd like to see the Dark Angels create another order, one that has individual Angels traveling the Galaxy and essentially going on quests to protect backwater places that are under threat by forces and creatures that do not require a full military response but something an individual swordsman can handle.
Yeah would love to se more questing
this would help the gaming communitys opinion of Dark Angels. they have a reputaion of unreliability and fuckery among the arm chair generals.
Nothing arm chair about it, we're judging from an omniscient position and judge them as unreliable and commit grave fuckery with their allies, all foe the logically flawed and nebulous goal of pursuing the fallen. It's fact, not opinion.
If I dislike their behaviour, and you like their behaviour, those are opinions.
When it's categorically stated that they have abandoned and murdered allies on the rumour of fallen, that's not an opinion.
yep this is what folks say@@TheLH86
@@TheLH86 i belive dark angels should hire blood ravens to nick more atrifacts from the blue berry boys as payback for disbanding the legion.
Looks like Lion's getting the color back in his beard, must mean he's getting his strength back.
@@skulvera shield being odd for a knight ? No brother what is odd is the warp transport he does
@@pedropierre9594I think he is walking through the webway, or at least what's left of the channels he was working on before the heresy.
@@skulver someone else thought Roboute got the sword was: Roboute needed the sword to showcase his talents as a frontline commander (the emperor didnt need the logistics Roboute or the author of the Codex astartes) so Big E tries to give a huge melee power up to Roboute, a primarch rarely labelled among the best duelists.
@@diraskalet's remember that by the end of Guilliman and Angrons fight, both were a bloody pulp and on their last legs. I swear no one has actually read Betrayer.
@@diraskaIt’s not that he wasn’t good in meele, he fought Angron & Lorgar at the same time without the emperor’s sword. It’s just that his big brains are a bigger asset than his Martial skill. With the sword, he becomes a beast… no source ever stated he was weak in combat
Wolf lord rho update and its dark angels.
The emperor smiles on us
It's in his nature, always watching, always calculating. He's got to see the whole picture to formulate a plan for his legions path to head towards.
He's been absent for 10,000 years. Of course he's going to determining what the situation with his sons before he acts.
I do believe he'll reform his Legion. The successor chapters are based on the original organisation of his legion. I think the situation will build to when that happens.
I'm sure he will reform the Legion, and Robby Girly-man will get butt hurt about it. XD Buuuuuut, let's be honest. They're 2/3rds of the Unremembered Empire. Sanguinius (or Dante, realistically) will be necessary for the Imperial resurgence.
I mean it's all but confirmed that the DA never truly disbanded the legion
Of course, the Sons of the Lion have their reasons to not disband the legion; they just played along by pretending to do so because it was still at the time Guileman was still alive after the Heresy.
when he first took over the 1st legion he did the same sending those from calliban to work alongside the terran born
Then he also sent the terran born marines to their death with an assignment that guaranteed a high casualty rate. Unlike most chapters, I don't think he'll do that to the Primaris re-enforcements all the successors are receiving in mass or give them that much of a hard time.
yes lion was well known for willingly sacrificing marines for victory, the new lion I don't think will@@TKUltra971
Dark Angels after learning of Lions new power:
- Oh yes the Lion can teleport now
Dark Angels after learning that Lion can now spy on them anywhere he wants
- Oh no the Lion can teleport now
It's Risen time.
I can understand why the Lion hasn't tried to reform the legion. For all it's firepower, a massive legion is a lumbering thing, easy for the enemy to predict and evade. With his new psychic powers allowing him to traverse the universe without the need for the warp, he can appear amongst his successors when they are in the midst of combat, galvanizing them with his iconic appearance, battle prowess and tactics. Lion El'Johnson is now a threat everywhere and nowhere in the Imperium at the same time. In time he might strike more fear amongst the Emperor's foes than ever before.
This is actually what makes the most sense to me. Imperium Nihilus no longer has the guiding light of the Astronomicon. That means warp travel will be slower and more dangerous. It strategically makes a lot of sense to maintain the chapters dispersed into wide spread rapid reaction forces that can more quickly respond to emergencies near them than a single centralized legion could.
In my head canon this actually a big part of why Guilliman breaks up the legions in the first place. After the losses from the heresy and the scourging the Imperium needed the remaining Astartes used more efficiently than in the old legions. It makes a lot of sense the Lion would see the same necessity.
Plus a full legion will need a huge logistics network in place to support it, something that likely cannot be done right now due to Nihilus being cut off from the Astronomicon and with it being in such a bad state that so many worlds and systems can't even support themselves, let alone support a crusading legion. And with there being so many fires spread out in different places even if they tried to reform the legion they'd have to break it up again from having to send out so many detachments to deal with all these threats everywhere.
I think what he'll do it maintain overall command over the chapters as if they were still his legion, but instead of keeping them together he'll direct each chapter on which conflict zones they go to, and will then do as you said and use his new powers to go back and forth between each chapter, supporting them as and when needed. The redeemed could even act as a rapid reinforcement unit he can bring with him to help out whenever any chapter comes across a particularly tough enemy or vital objective. And with the chapters spread out they can be his eyes and ears to what's going on so he can more effectively respond.
Let's be real here. The Dark Angels never dispersed. They're still a legion, the Chapters are in name only, but are basically their companies, the main Chapter being basically the First Company and so on. The Lion is probably assessing the full strength of the Dark Angels and how to best use it. I don't think he will officially reunite the Legion, until some epic finale in his books or something, but it will happen, it's not like it's the only Legion around, with the Space Wolves and the Black Templars being legion strength already.
Imagine being 2 unforgiven successor chapter members just walking down the hallway casually chatting about combat techniques and your primarch just shadow walk waltz in around the corner
The Lion seems to be still trying to make sense of some stuff, but from what he knows he acts with more caution. I guess with how he dealt with Luthor lead to what the Dark Angels as a whole are today, so we will see a more cautious one. I see him also being ok with Successors as long as they stick to some basically laws he set into place as a bonus of these Chapters is having different ways to fight away from his usual way of fighting, having some be specialist.
singlehandedly making my monday better
Lion addressing the Unforgiven:
Lads, we're getting the legion back together.
His second book is taking forever. In Son of the forest(SOF) We see the lion grow as a man, he finds his humanity and his purpose as its protector and his fathers assailed aspect gifted him his shield because of it.
He learned patience, humility and forgiveness. He also learned his limits thanks to his aging. Lets not forget he was arrogant and distant in 30k, mainly because he was unequaled and therefore too far above humanity to really care for the individual.
At the end of son of the forest he was close to weeping, his grief for his beloved brother overcame him and news that he was not alone and that Gman lives was gave him hope. Both emotions beyong him in 30k.
So now he will be first getting his sons in order, but instead of barging in and making demands like the young lion would have done, he's using tact and interpersonal relations, ironically like his brother Gman would have. I imagine he will appear in Gmans chambers when they reunite. I dont think he'll do the parade ground display like in unremembered empire, Gman is on crusade anyway.
Theory. Further down the line, the lion will free his father, or at least help his injured and mute soul escape its tormentors.
It's all very exciting and a decade in the making for me. It cant come soon enough.
This here describes exactly why I loved the Lion when I first got into Warhammer, fell out of love during the horus heresy, then went all in when the rumors and the eventual release of Son Of The Forest came out. I have nothing but admiration for his newfound purpose, and have finally decided to start a DA force with him at the helm when I have the chance.
I think the Redeemed will prove to be excellent spies.
The impression I got from reading the codex supplement was very much in line with your own thoughts Rho. That is to say, he appears to be very much observing, taking stock of what he has available to him and just getting to know his sons - all of them, not just the DAs. He's going out and fighting alongside all of them and getting their measure. It was interesting seeing the description of their thoughts of him - that he was much more of "a fey creature" than they thought he would be where he sort of mystically appears out of nowhere and that when he looks at them, they feel an incredible sense of dread as a predator considers potential prey; even so much as when he's not around, they still feel like they are being watched. I mean, none of this is new with the Lion - 30k Lion had this effect on people all the time, but nuLion seemed to be aware of it and at least tried to not freak people out. All in all, his return appears to be cordial with his sons where both sides are respectfully checking each other out. It's not how I thought it was going to go - I was all-in for Lion uniting everyone from the get-go and having no more secrets, etc. But here we are and I'm still ok with this approach; after decades, it's just so damn refreshing to see their story moving forward at last !
In any other circumstance, someone secretly talking to invisible voices that make you feel uncomfortable, you purge them for heresy shenanigans. But it's ok for The Lion to do.
Lore has since the beginning made it clear that DA never really separated. The chapters coordinated with each other and the current chapter master of Dark Angels was treated as a supreme chapter master. Even the Inquisition was aware of this but didn't act on it because they needed a plan b if Black Templars as an example would go rogue.
And as already mentioned... just say "fallen" and most DA chapters would suddenly be present and strangely well coordinated 🤣
Love the new Lion and Dark Angels lore. Azriel is no Corswain but he is very good.
The Lion, was and probably still is the greatest strategist in Imperial history. I have faith in his actions, even if I may not comprehend them and only have speculation as to his coming plans. Because in three very simple words, The Emperor Protects.
I'm curious to see The Unforgiven interacting with the Redeemed and how the two parties will act when Lion isn't present at the moment.
Why would anyone in the Dark Angels be surprised when information is withheld from them? It's a chapter where you spend most of your time learning not to ask certain questions and not to question those in charge. It's the chapiter that keeps training it's members that this is just how things are supposed to work. It's not like the Dark Angels are that one strange secretive secy and everyone else is a open book. Not asking questions is the default wherever you go in the Imperium
I think he needs to settle matters within his legion and his sons. He was one of those Primarchs that knew all of his space marines. Also what he does fits him 100%.
Always vigilant. Always observing. Always hunting. Always making everyone around him feel uneasy. He definitely waits for Cypher and Luther and he is more cautious.
Less reasoning with Johnson and his sons, more he has the ability to sense chaos and can determine taint… and if you’re not tainted he will likely interfere with interrogations.
Feels like he's organizing some spec ops and kill teams against chaos etc
El'Jonson feels he previously made a disastrous mistake judging his sons. I suspect he's being careful not to do the same again. Pushing everyone back together could go horribly wrong, whatever happened with Luthor it wasn't stopped by Primarch charisma.
Love the idea that he's speaking with the Watchers. Why wouldn't he just use encrypted vox for the risen? Great suggestion Wolf Lord. Plus the watchers have frequently been described as being more prevalent deeper in the Rock.
It by the will of the emperor and the of his golden throne that made my day. For the Imperium of man for the hunt for the emperor. For loyalty is, it's own reward ✊️🦁💚
The codex’s explanation on treatment and inclusion of the Fallen/ Risen bothers me because it flys in the face of an entire book’s narrative.
I want to read some specific secret weaponry that is only available to my favorite legion 🎉🎉
i think the 'secret' only the lion knows about are the risen. its pretty clear that the new inner circle companions come from amongst the risen; however in the new codex they're described as 'onimous figures' or smth like that, showing that the unforgiven are kept in the dark about the companions true identity by the lion.
i suppose the lion doesnt trust the unforgiven enough to tell them that their arch enemy for over 10.000 years are now his closest allies.
I want to see the lion and cypher interact. Am i the only one
Congrats on the box turning up! We may have a potential problem for the Lion. As well as seeing what the Dark Angels & successor chapters, I think the Lion is guaging the lay of the land regarding this Imperium. With his ability to move about without the need of Warp capable vessels, he can pretty much go where he feels the need. So far, the Lion has been unimpressed with the Imperium. The Lion favours a return to older forms established by the Emporer.
YEs, but Guilliman didn't like what he found either. But he does not have the advantage of moving about at will through Warp Spaghetti. That kinda limits what Guilliman can do. And there are limits to the reforms you can instill when the Imperium is physically divided and under attack from all sides.
Legion strength is necessary to confront the Tyranids and chaos.
My theory is that the Lion feels a bigger connection to the older marines, the risen, than the newer chapters. He must find them wanting in almost every department. It also must be a lot harder for him to convince other fallen to join him with the "help" of the unforgiven, and he can't just change 10000 years of paranoid "tradition" by word alone. I think that in a way the Lion is trying to walk on thin ice, trying to appeal to both sides. Just another secret for the first...
Definetly
I REALLY wanna see Asmodai's reaction to the Risen
Just recently read the book.
My favorite so far, have read just a couple, Devastation of Baal, Fall of Cadia & Avenging son.
I love all of them, but as the Dark Angels are my favorite legion, the Lion book was by far my favorite
I don’t know if anyone else wants to see an all risen chapters!!But I would love to get and paint a new risen black red and silver Combat squad guns and calbanite swords.
Asmodai still making Fallen repent, good to know
The Risen LEGION
I might need to buy a Codex!
RE 👏BUILD👏THE👏FIRST👏LEGION! 👏
No. The Imperium has enough traitorous, Chaos tainted heretics to contend with.
Alpharius, Omegon, and Tzeench: WHAT IN THE ABOSULTE F*******
I love the idea that the lion is back and he's kinda like yeah this isn't my legion anymore I could command it like it was but it's not. It's its own beast now. And Azreal trying to give the lion his helmet back. Now just need cypher and to get his sword back
Having the Lion ,Guilliman ,Perturabo and Ferrus Manus must be daunting for a space marine to live upto
That shield has to be reversing the ageing process of The Lion.
I could see slowly over time the lions ability healing the rock and possibly caliban, like if the angels can re-take wormwood and land the rock on it his warp power returning caliban to original form
Is there any indication yet of why the Lion had such a huge personality change (from arrogant and aloof to caring and calm) just by being asleep?
Im thinking of writing a short on how possibly Asmodai gets the backhand from the Lion' for taking pleasure in torturing what could well have been loyal astartes and being sent on a death quest to redeem himself...
Thoughts..?
What if he's talking to his brothers, the ones we think are lost or missing but actually on missions yet to be revealed. I have little hope thats the case, but it would be interesting if the lion is convening secret meetings with the "shadow" imperium forces (hidden primarchs, valdor, that one grey knight stuck in the warp, etc). He is the next best warmaster and the only character that could keep a secret...even from the narrator.
Has there been an update for the next Dark Angels and Lion El'Johnson novel?
This is the only thing I want. The next Lion novel.
Maybe the lion is coming to terms that things have drastically changed and in order to survive he has to change with it
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When Lion returned, I thought this to be a momentous time. Since then, it has appeared to be anti-climactic. Here's to hoping that will turn around.
If I was Lion El Johnson, I'd keep the Unforgiven as they are, with orders for the chapters to spread out about Imperium Nihilus to defend what they can, while forming the Risen into their own irregular "chapter" as his own personal strike force to respond to particularly dangerous issues whenever the local DA chapter can't handle them.
My thing is tho, why is he allowing the interrogations to still happen? I understand the hunt still to gather his son's but in the sons of the Forest book it seemed he wanted to save everyone he could so why would he allow these to keep happening?
He most likely personally goes to track down Fallen in his free time, or sends the Companions to do it. He judges them when he sees them. It is a rare Fallen that is actually worthy of redemption, judging from the bit where he rarely goes to visit a Fallen who has been captured.
Maybe he allows it as it’s just the chaos corrupted ones?
fair enough I guess
@@isaacchapman7628
No mention of Guilliman , Lion reunion.
I am a bit surprised that the Lion hasn't brought his legion together. I would have expected some sort of crusade for them. But I also wouldn't be surprised if he just gave different chapters orders since he wants to protect humanity and they have orders to reclaim sections or spread out to increase what they can defend.
Prenap Lion I'd agree but this New Old Lion seems more calculating and unlike the Blueberry he doesn't have access to Mars ,so he needs to get his logistics into shape before he can start thinking counterattack .
I wonder if The Risen are the Legion of the Damned in the current setting.
How the hell does the helmet fit both Johnson and any space marine?
Woop
Be interesting to see how the Lion interacts with other chapters not of his gene seed (mainly the Blood Angels) once he has his own house in order
Well he has already met Dante. Dante already has some of the Lions respect and when the Lion learns a bit more he will see Dante is worthy to lead the BA.
@@byronlee-wi3zv So your saying he won't find the Death company/black rage a bit...questionable
He probably knows about it already
Well… I’m actually working on a redeemed kill team, mostly because this idea was just too good.
Why do I picture the Lion opens his email box and sees countless messages.
Like in Bruce almighty
These powers seem to similar to Corax to me.
I wonder what The Lion thinks of my custom Unforgiven Chapter? 😅
Loyalty is it’s own reward. The loyal have nothing to fear.
And what of Cypher?
I think the watchers are the ones that lead the Lion to those Fallen he should talk to and that is what is happening within the secret chambers.
Its also good to see that GW hasn't started to turn all Fallen into the good guys. It would have been such a boring move and taken depth out of the tragedy.
Finally - we desperately need the next book. After Cypher: Lord of the Fallen failing to deliver anything really new for the mysteries, I am so tired of waiting for the story to move on after nearly 30 of following it.
I want my legion back, unchain us games workshop
The first Primarch and the last Primarchs have a LOT of similarities. I think the First and 20th Legion were both created as different types of special forces even among the Astartes. Some Legions like the Iron Warriors, Imperial Fists and Ultramarines are more mainline forces. And then you have the Dark Angels, White Scars, Night Lords, Thousand Sons and Alpha Legion as more special operation forces and I think the Dark Angels and Alpha Legion in particular mirror each other.
There is a little of the lion in every primarch
The First gets the most horrendous tasks that require the Horrendous Inventory Weapons mankind has devised.
The 20th got the infiltration tasks.
If his return is after the indomidus crusade then why does guillamine or the emperor state that guillamine is the last loyal primarch
a risen set would be a great way to bring new first born minis into the current setting, GW definitely knowns people want them, and GW loves money so its a win win lol
mfw "you are forgiven"
When did azrael meet lion again after the battle?
It’s no way him talking to the redeemed, azrael felt uneasy as he knew who the redeemed were by sight, the redeemed arent warp tainted so no way it would be.
Clearly watchers in the dark
I’m kinda disappointed so far in El’ Johnson. I haven’t read any novels but from sources like this one I’ve come to believe The Lion to be a take action type of guy. The I know exactly what needs to be done and without waiting for approval by some committee. I realize after some of his failures he might be more cautious and considerate of the big picture but he should still be the same man at his core. After seeing how tactful Guilliman’s approach to the current Imperium I just wanted to see that contrast. Maybe a “ good cop bad cop” approach with the returned Primarchs.
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Where does this info come from?
The new codex supplement released early with the Deathwing Assault box back on Feb 3 and there are a lot of new lore updates. I'm still not certain when the 'official' release will be for the new DA stuff; I was under the impression that it would be sometime this month but anyway, for now, that's where you can find this new lore material.
What would he think of the DA slaughtering allies cos there's a whiff of the fallen.
So I'm guessing these comments are going to be full of the Unforgiven. So I got a question for y'all:
Is your Deathwing still Terminator only? (Bladeguard begrudgingly grandfathered in from "no primaris termie" days.) Will you be painting your Sternguard green, or white? How about Stormravens? I painted both of mine white, but now they could be black? IDK.
What is the Lion doing? Everything all at once. I highly doubt any Primarch is doing only one thing at a time. He is observing, he is judging, he is planning.
why the lion hasent stoped the torture could be that he is using a old CIA recruitment technique where the teacher/torturer can do what ever thhe fuck they want to the recrutes but the hhandler shhows nothing but kindness no matter how little it actualy is to build loyalty in the recrute for the handeler
it brutal but affective at making loyal agents
Sup Brothers and Sisters...no majkil reference intended
Then why make one? Guys, n gal is MK's typical greeting. Sup brothers n sisters is not
lion saw skibidi toilet in imperium nihilus
Maybe the redeemed are under the chaplains control and have sworn to die in battle In the lions service as proof they're trustworthy and r forbidden to communicate with the rest..circle's within circles
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Codex is dumb gives Chaos an advantage as chaos has legions
Daemon primarchs were rarely led their legions directly as they were basically more Daemon than "human" to be fair all of them more active in 42nd as noctis aetherna gave surge of warp activity and modern chaos legions are pretty much fragmented into warbands that average in much more sorry conditions than most chapters in pennant crusade, also many high ranking officers like typhus or ahriman resented their primachs did their own things and also they that serve Warmaster Abaddon the spoiled, making united attack from individuals legions were mercifully rare occurrences like first war of Armageddon, But we will see what will GW does in future.
Time to go after Luther and the Fallen. The Reckoning is coming!
Chapters be Damn, Let the Risen of the Ist legion rise. Chapters at this point are pointless. They need a Legion
I think he’s biding his time in the hopes GW will stop nerfing the crap out of him and his legion🤣
End fallen hunts. Start questing again sons of caliban.
I literally have to speed your vids up you talk so slow
The book of his awakening was such a let down. Written like a 14 year old and with no gravitas. Sucked!