MG Marvel R Performance range test
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I drive a Marvel R Performance for more than 4 months now and I love it. The charging speed actually peaks at 92-93kW up to around 40-45% where its slowly declining. Btw could you make a in-depth 0-100 speed test in the upcoming videos? Thanks for this video!
You need to test Ioniq 5 one more time in the winter now that battery preconditioning before charging is out in Norway, they released it yesterday.
Seems like Chinese EVs are starting to flood the EU market, good news for consumers.
The new 2022 ZSEV has improved efficiëncy, LED headlights, better infotainment and faster charging speeds….like to see that car in a 1000 Km challenge!😀
Chinese software really isn't great and yet another car with appalling inefficiency. it doesn't really matter how well built the car is when those are the negatives.
Using that laggy infotainment system seems more dangerous than texting and driving.
Yes, keep your eyes on the road please
My colleague laughed at the consumption of my IONIQ 5 in motorway speeds. He recently bought this car. Who's got the last laugh now!? 🤣
@@danielstefanovic2604 Worst looking car of the bunch and doesn't even have V2L, ventilated seats, HUD or 360 camera. I guess Model Y owner will keep posting about curb rash and swamp ass. :P
@@Danne89 I love how angry you all get. Calm down.
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@@jonathanfields4ever I can't see any angry comments here at all. No clue what you're on about. Calm down.
Depending on the reason to buying an EV, (family hauler, commuting, microcamping, etc) efficiency is usually the number one spec we should consider, right ? Of course, asking price is very important too.
What do you think, people ?
Efficiency ? Comfort ? Service-ability ? Cost when things go wrong ? Time without the car , while it is being fixed or waiting parts to get fixed...etc
Sadly, VW, Skoda and similar brands seem to have speedier time frames when compared to Tesla, to my regret.
As for Chinese Cars, perhaps they make sense to export to Norway and Germany but to other, smaller European markets the infrastructure to service them will take a while to exist.
At least there are many options to choose from and every customer needs to do their research on cost/efficiency/comfort and the most important aspects of buying, owning , charging, servicing and repairing their car.
Thank you Bjorn, for making things more clear for us, in the grand scheme of things.
In Sweden "Vi Bilägare" tested Marvel R and the 4wd system is really useless. If you drive backwards the frontmotor is disconected and if you get stuck in snow the 4wd stop working also. MG has answered that the 4wd is for sportiness not if you get stuck.
I experienced this myself. Thought it must be some kind of software bug. If it detects slip it just refuses to move the wheels until you floor it. And then it just spins like crazy. Seriously the feedback from mg must be like the dumbest feedback ever?
Tx again Björn
5:00, regarding music on the wrong side, you hare too negative here Bjorn :) Kia and Hyundai have the same. I own the ioniq electric 28kwh which you promot very much . When showing music on the board (if you choose to show it) on the ioniq , music info is on the right side and on the steering wheel it is on the left side.
Have you made a 1000km challenge on this car for the Luxury model?
I am debating between this car or the kia e-niro. I am actually leaning towards the mg due to many more pros than cons compared to kia .
A lot of consumption. Way expensive. Bad user monitor Nothing for me.
According to your Google Sheeet: compared to the ZS EV it does not use that much more energy at 120 km/h (ZS 240, Marvel 245) Still it is not very efficient alas. Car looks nice, shame about the software. Hope they can improve that. The RWD version of the Marvel might do slightly better.
I think the MG5 EV profile (in your usual app) should work in MG Marvel.
A realy nice car. I'm waiting for mine for 4 month now, but Hope it will arrive soon. Seen tests with professional raceboks saying 4.3 sec. From 0-100 km/h. And 0-80 in 2.9.
Ammeter is actually correct. Volmeter is not.
Just so you know, I think you put the wrong consumption number for 120 km/h in the table, it says 245 Wh/km instead of 284.
Yeah, i was thinking the same thing
Yes, there is a blunder in the table
Thanks. It's fixed now.
Try cracking the windows a little bit, it might improve the deepness of the bass, I have a 12-inch subwoofer in my car, it sounds pretty deep with the windows closed, as soon as I crack the windows just a bit, The sub sounds like it can breathe and sounds warmer/deeper
You just throw in a random "Yo, what's up?" to anyone? :D
... "you don't understand the Point of this ... until you tried it." 😁😁😁😁😁
Great Coasting test - it tells us the Motors or aero are working against the car
OR both!
Nice.
Glad you mentioned the EV6 “ugly butt”. I’d call it Fugly.
The MG looks quite nice but that range? That laggy touchscreen?
Sorry, not good enough for me.
I bought one and like to drive it the consumption during Desember has been 2.2 KWH in average and its frost here -4c in average this month still have some adjustments to go thru since its not like my old car "KIA Sportage 2.0 crdi awd" 8.5 years old. Theres alot new to learn about it, the latest upgrade r22 and r23 have fixed the infotainmentsystem a lot I find it quick. I agree that when I am i snow it is not as good as the KIA but whoes have snow every day? It all depends on the way you drive. I am looking for the spring just 3 months from now I hope I can will put on my new summer tires. Its a nice car to drive - 0 to 50km in just 1.8 sec. 0 to 80km in just 2.5 sec, 0 to 100km 4.6 sec. Remember the battery has to be full, the temp, tires and the weather ofcourse to get those numbers. Happy new year
I think it compares to my E-Golf 2019 space-wise... My longterm consumption is 12,6 kw/100 km. Last month around 13,5 kw/100 km. And I do normal driving, no slow leftlane hugging stuff, normal. Wow, I love my car more each day! :P
No, it doesn't. e-Golf can only take 16 banana boxes (21 in Marvel). And consumption is measured in Wh/km or kWh/100 km.
@@bjornnyland yes you are right, kwh/100 km. I misspelled 😊 but the consumption numbers are correct.
26:44 Lol the case of inverters look like copypast of a Bosch Invcon 2.3 😁
Any plans to get an MG4 for test, Bjorn? interesting reviews as always...
They actually brag that this solution is supposed to give lower consumption. Im not seeing it though 🙈
I know that you are way better than most when doing research but everywhere I have checked the net capacity of the battery is 65kwh. If this is true… is your spreadsheet correct in this video?
Excuse my mad English.
I’m trying to figure out if I will buy this or the eniro?
Let’s say that I will be traveling 600-700km which car will do it easier and when is one better than the other? I’ll maybe do a long distance trip 4-5 times per year . Mostly I’ve seen reviews where it charges at around 90kwh speed and the consumption is also lower than shown here.
Are there some with experience regarding the difference between maintenance between these cars?
Either I’ll buy an eniro 2020/21 that have gone 50000km for around 27500usd or a marvel r lux for 34900usd that has only 7000km on it.
What do you think? Which one would decrease the least in value within around 5-7 years in your opinion?
Despite only having 288 hp it pulls kind of strong . 4.9 sek to 100 if i remember correctly. Maybe it is because of the gearbox (?). I think this kind of sets it apparat from the slow 8 sec cars. Also 4wd is nice to have in norway, although it did some weird shit in a hill with ice when i tested it in march. It seemed like it is software related. The car refuses to move if its slippery, until you hit the Accelerator. Then all four wheels spin on the ice. Whats the point of having 4wd if its useless?
I think the high torque helps the acceleration. Its 665nm in the performance.
AWD is also deactivated when reversing in this car. It was one of the biggest cons when reviewed by Swedish press. So if you're stuck in snow you won't get any help at all to get loose. It's just for acceleration performance.
That is a type of 4WD that kicks in if your front wheels slip, then enabling 4wd. It saves fuel because you are in front wheel drive until you need more grip. Always on 4wd increase consumption which is why this system is sometimes preferred.
@@FSXgta actually turns out they disabled the most useful awd. Or at least its beeing claimed in another post in this video. My model 3 also kicks in all four wheels when needed. The difference is that it works, while the Marvel R performance is completely useless (i tested it myself) Apparently it is only for accelerating.
Yes. Having 2 gears helps a lot. One is shorter to help to get moving and second for higher speeds
That laggy infotainment system software is a good reminder that MG can't provide a car with a system that's fit for purpose and I shouldn't buy their brand again - as tempting as the Cyberster is - after the terrible experience of the ZS EV. So many times I wanted to punch the screen too! 😂
I hope every car give back the physical buttons. And iphones
This is the first car (of dozens) where I didn't manage to get Android Auto to output Audio... Yes - Chinese software is sh1t.
The ZS EV just worked better in my experience and felt like the more honest, much better value car.
At least over WLTP in the 90 test and not full summer.
LOL at Björn losing his shit with the AC😂245 consumption in ECO-mode🤨🤦🏻♂️
Ammeter is English, Volmeter isn't :D
That is embarrassing 280km @100%
It also says "Volmeter" lol
But ammeter is correct English.
@@stephenholland5930 Yeah I learned that after reading the comments!
To measure current you use an ammeter.
Ampmeter, not Ammeter.
Are you kidding here !? or you really don't know that all German E-cars brands are made in China also !!
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10:56 Hi Bjørn. sea level 163 m.o.h. ? Mjøsa is 121 m.o.h....so the road you driving at must be 42 meters above the lake but it´s not .It´s about 5 m higher.So this car needs some adjustments 🤔
One rear motor will have permanent magnets, I suspect, which would create drag if freewheeled, whereas the other two will not, so they can be open cct when not needed.
8:35 did you really never come over the term "Ammeter" ?
its just the normal name...
In Norwegian it's called Amperemeter.
in german aswell, english not so much 😅
...no one knows everything, but was just surprised, since you hang alot with elec stuff 😜
if you drove a leaf its an improvement lol from 50 kwh lol
I think this was a strange choice, 3 motors and transmission.
A transmission will always lower efficciency, as it has more friction.
Of course at high speed you can run lower RPMS on the motor, but if you put 3 motors in the car - I would imagine that a better way to do it is to fit with different ratios.
So then you can skip the transmission, use fixed ratios but slightly different ratios. So then from standstill use the power of all motors, but at high speed cut out the rear or front motor, so you let one of the motors be geared more for top speed.
Also less amps from 0-... It should be more efficient
Nice, finally a affordable car for us that is not a CEO or a dictator. And a great overview on car so far. And of course the left steering wheel controllers controls the infotainment on the right side, and the right controls controls the functions on the left side. You guys knows that the left eye is decoded in the rear right side of brain while the right eye is decoded on the left. So this makes perfectly sense, just like the MG ZS EV, when the air is directed down into the foot-well and want it to also also blow some air in front of you, you press the down button, not the up button. For the same reason... 4:50
On second thought, they say that if you dig deep enough to come into China. So maybe this software might not have adopted to being on the other side of the planet and it might fix itself over time ?
When will we see 1000km challange with the Marvel?
The car interior looks very similar to my MG HS PHEV only updated the size of infotainment system.
Fat E-tron has extendable sunvisor as option, too. Love it!
I wonder if the (week) weak link is the gearbox. You lose efficiency going through a gearbox.
*weak
@@bjornnyland Long day!
All electric cars have a reduction gear. Normally 1:10 range. Adding a gear don't make much difference except more power and torque in low speed and better fuel consumption due to less engine friction due to lower speed at high car speeds. Having a bigger engine instead might hurt low speed consumption due to low engine load at low speed.
With all the little mistakes on this car I just wonder what else would be hidden. Did they apply the same care when designing the battery or brakes?
Please try the bigger saic car from Maxus Eunice 6.
Wait for the MIFA9
Please inform me if the screen that support Arabic language!!!
Hey Bjorn, from what your observations and records. Which is more accurate? WLTP range or EPA range? Or is it between both?
Cool music Bjorn, can you provide the sound tracks. Thanks.
Do you want test MG5? This car is very interesting for me.
Chinese EVs needs HarmonyOS, that's it
Please try also the mg4. I don’t know if it has the 2 speed gearbox
Why do you drive at 90 instead of 100 km/h on the freeway in your range test? It would be more representative to drive at the speed limit.
Have you not watched before? This is standard for consumption test #1.
no reason to make electric car so complicated
Will this work in cold weather? Heat pump?
30kwh/100 - not great not terrible :D
First time you doubt the board computer calibration! That's good. Easy for car manufacturers to claim a car is efficient based on that. Always calibrate your computer. I know its harder on el cars
It's actually correct for 99.9 % of the cases.
@@bjornnyland The number on BC is based on used KWh and drivend km. The kwh is based on measured amps, voltage(I guess its measured on the DC side). this might add up to some errors even if hi class transducers are used. Its a measuring chain. The correction or calibration is only on the distance part. That's why you sometimes gets error in battery capacity. (Both ways)
In this case a 7% adjustment in BC would have given correct battery capacity 65KW and correct consumption. No way the car maker don't know the net and brutto battery capacity
As an engineer, 3 motors and 2 gears on an electric vehicle is the opposite of over-engineered.
More like “overkill”?
@24:48, from 90 to 120 km/hr the efficiency decrease. Could that be due to increasing drag?
obv, drag force is velocity squared.
@Bjørn Nyland.. Any chanse we'll see some test of the Renault Megane e-tech? :)
Not until March 2023 at least based on his calendar
I'm getting the Arctic Circle itch too
Hey Bjorn it needs an update badly
visor test : PASS
Excellent video as usual Bjørn. I have heard that the AWD system only works driving forward ⏩ but apparently it doesn't work when driving in reverse ◀️. Is that true?
It's true! They decided this car should only have the extra motors for acceleration and not to help with traction. Very weird in my eyes.
Hi. you know what - look at my post "despite only having 288 hp". This might explain it as I was backing up a icy hill, and it was utterly useless. Thats a silly feature if its the case
@@Danne89 Yeah, and it even has a snow mode. Thats just insanely stupid. oh my god. They must only have sun and summer in China 😅
You can see one of the winter tests here: /watch?v=9cRdLeXjOmA
The front motor has a one way clutch. It's physically impossible for the front motor to help reversing. They probably did it as a cheap way to be more efficient, but it doesn't seem like it helped much.
Waiting for Niro EV :)
I really think their 2 speed gearbox (also on Porsche Taycan ) is madness !!
My Tesla has single speed and it’s faster and more efficient!
If you watch the video you see that max power is reached at a very low speed. That's the advantage. At constant torque the power is zero. So you need some speed(rotation to get full power. With two gears you get full power faster. You can see the results in TB sheet. Better acceleration with lower power to weight ratio
@@ulyden1947 thanks for the reply.
I don’t follow your explanation… but that may be my fault not yours. Best wishes
@@ulyden1947 so the drawbacks are weight, space, cost .. but
(i) the Taycan only has the two speed box on one end ! 🤦♂️
(ii) The similarly priced Plaid S is faster accelerating and more efficient.
I don’t think Porsche should be proud of the two speed box, perhaps, I’d argue, they should be ashamed of needing it ?
@@maxflight777 El electric cars have gears. Even the plad engine is not strong enough to accelerate the car without. Most el cars have a 10:1 reduction gear. Having a 2 speed gear a smaller motor ca have8:1 and 12:1 ratio. Then you will have 50% more torque in the start and you can reduce engine speed 50% when cruising at 250km/h reducing losses wear and centripetal forces on engine rotor .
Engine power is torque times speed(Radians/second) Increased gear ration increase wheel torque and full engine power is reached faster during acceleration from zero. That's why taycan is faster than a similar powered tesla
Chinese infotainment for the win!! 🤦♂️🤦♂️
About the topic of Chinese software quality. It's not specific to cars, that's kind of the rule for all Chinese software. You wouldn't want to dig through whatever runs in most home routers imported from China. I've had the "honor" to come in contact with several pieces of Chinese software and haven't seen one that I'd call good or even decent.
I suspect it has something to do with culture. To do a good job as a software engineer, one often needs to challenge the boss, challenge the spec (mostly because the fact the spec is wrong is only discovered while trying to implement it and it's impossible to write a 100% correct spec ahead of the time). And it's not exactly customary to challenge authorities or orders in China.
Not sure if you mean the sofware not performing the work it design to do. Which is a real problem, or it is just the operation not fit in your habit. Which by the way is more user problem for the later. If you wan to see bad sofware, load up first those QNX base system or pre 3.0 android. Shit never work right and crash alot
I am guessing Chinese companies like Huawei doesn't like to challenge authorities as well so they lead in 5G technology...
Forget that crappy cars...What we want ASAP is the Megane E Tech!!!
Chinese cars and VW have the worst infotainment ;P My wide drive the "old" ZS EV and I can't stand the infotainment/ac controls, it's even worse than my 2004 Citroen C5 shitbox XD
EV6 has the nicest butt of all cars.
Really? It looks like a Korean eye before plastic surgery.🤣😂
It’s not ugly, it’s Fugly!!